theunusualmoon: I don't want to derail this thread in a bid to prove to you that GOD exits.Please create a new thread where we can talk about it and I"ll join you there.........If GOD did not stop the persecution and death of the desciples that preached the gospel all around the world,why should he stop you from losing your life on the way to the redeemed camp?

davdandam:
Obviously from your profile@ op you are a Muslim, are you tryna question the existence of God or the existence of the Christian God? Lemme get that straight first.

texanomaly:
@theunusualmoon

This should be interesting....Well probably not. People have been trying to prove God exists/doesn't exist for as long as I can remember. No one has succeeded on either count...let's see what you've got.

theunusualmoon:
As always let's start from how man came to be.I have read many athiests say here that man was as a result of evolution.......In order to be more direct I would like to say that man was created by something that wanted man to exist.
If you doubt this please state why and also state your opinion of how man came to be.

Kay17:


A preliminary question for you, do you think man concretely knows his precise origins with a sufficient deal of certainty?

Kay17:
^^

Is mankind ok?

theunusualmoon:

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I cannot speak for mankind but I can speak for myself.

Reyginus:
That is not what he meant. He is asking if it is okay to use Mankind since you say 'man' is a bit vague.

theunusualmoon:

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He knows what he means and I know what I mean.Advise him to proceed.

Reyginus:
That is not what he meant. He is asking if it is okay to use Mankind since you say 'man' is a bit vague.

Kay17:




It is all good, theunusualmoon can proceed.

theunusualmoon:
As always let's start from how man came to be.I have read many athiests say here that man was as a result of evolution.......In order to be more direct I would like to say that man was created by something that wanted man to exist.
If you doubt this please state why and also state your opinion of how man came to be.

theunusualmoon:

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If man was not created how did man come to be?

theunusualmoon:

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If man was not created how did man come to be?

Kay17:


I was expecting an elaborate argument with well structured layers upon layers, since your intention was to settle a centuries old debate.

Note, that you earlier claimed to know man's precise origins with sufficient certainty, so I expected a lot.

So in very few words, I'm disappointed.

urheme:


Is like you have no stand, you are just crafty

That something that wanted man to exist, what do you call it?
I call it God, a God that is unreligious.

Man was created by God but how and when He did it , i don't know but He created millions of them in different race, colour and height.

theunusualmoon:

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He knows what he means and I know what I mean.Advise him to proceed.

Kay17:
The origins of man lie in the past, and as a result the truth about our past can only be derived from historical sciences such as archaeology. We do not have the privilege of written records nor oral witnesses, hence we must resort only to modern science. Given that historical sciences are our only source into the past, we have no knowledge whatsoever that man was a 'piece of creation'.

Now to theunusualman.

theunusualmoon:

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We had no knowledge of flying but somehow we built and still build planes........
We had no knowledge of medicine but somehow we now have X-ray machines......
There are so many things we had no knowledge of but uniquely we had faith in ourselves and we started thinking of what we felt could make the earth better and easier for us.First we thought of them(planes,submarines,sky scrapers) and we built them
At least the GUYS that built the plane or the submarine didnt have any archaeological facts to turn to.did they?
And besides a plane can't tell you the name of its builder.All it has are features that point out when,how and which company built it......
If the first plane could talk,it'll probably tell you it came about by evolution or there's no historical/archaeological fact about its history,therefore it just appeared suddenly on earth and not on mercury where it would be scorched by the sun 24/7.
And even when you lay your hands on the plane's manual and show it to it.......the plane will tell you that manual was written by a human therefore its pure fiction.

Kay17:

A preliminary question for you, do you think man concretely knows his precise origins with a sufficient deal of certainty?

theunusualmoon:

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A sufficient deal of certainty? Yes.

theunusualmoon:
@kay17
"A preliminary question for you, do you think man concretely knows his precise origins with a sufficient deal of certainty?"
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I would take the word "man" in there to mean myself.
I concretely know my precise origin and with all certainty I was made by a being more superior than I am.I know this because I relate with him and I feel his presence.

Kay17:


Oh! you speak about your personal origin only. I thought you were willing to discuss the origins of humanity. Nonetheless thanks for the honesty.

'We' would be privileged to hear about your origins.

theunusualmoon:

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The last time I checked you and I originated from the same source.......If you feel otherwise Please tell me why and also state your source.

theunusualmoon:

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The last time I checked you and I originated from the same source.......If you feel otherwise Please tell me why and also state your source.