KarmaMod:

This osamalo always looking for attention

, like a woman.

where's helen ukpabio when u need her

bawomolo:

well i don't see why the FG should be legislating against this. it's a matter of personal choice. the marks are crude but it's not as if the kids die or face long term health issues from this. should we go after ear piercings 2?
and redhotchic, please don't compare that primitive palm wine tapping state to OSUN ok

Personal choice, abi? Why don't we let the kids grow and decide if they want scars on their faces?

@ bawo stop contradictin urself what do u think d government r trying 2 do?

stillwater:

Personal choice, abi? Why don't we let the kids grow and decide if they want scars on their faces?

good question, but am not a parent.

Deshannel:

@ bawo stop contradictin yourself what do u think d government r trying 2 do?

am not contradicting myself, won't it be better to enlighten these people rather than just placing a ban on it. niger republic and mauritania have bans on slavery but slavery is still rampant in those countries. there is little law enforcement in Nigerian rural areas so how would this help. there are better ways to go about this than a publicity stunt.

I know the penalty should be more but it is a good thing that our people are starting to think about these issues. We do not get better by staying the same. If something is wrong remove it. I thank God for this development

great greater greatest - no more mutilation in the practice of tradition.

great greater greatest - no more mutilation in the practice of tradition

What of bleaching?. Should that be banned too?

Thang God for that

It should have been life imprisonment

It should have been life imprisonment

For wetin?

About time. funny I was debating a friend few days ago. I asked him if he had ever come across any adult with tribal marks that liked it. His answer was no. To me Tribal facial marks is just another form of child abuse something that is so prevalent in our culture.

About time. funny I was debating a friend few days ago. I asked him if he had ever come across any adult with tribal marks that liked it. His answer was no. To me Tribal facial marks is just another form of child abuse something that is so prevalent in our culture.

That doesn't mean there are no adults out there that actually love it. I bet you may find some in nairaland.

Fine is not the answer but education of the masses

About time too.

If tribal marks is wrong then what can we say about?

Circumcision
Abortion
Piercing (nose,ears, eyes and other places)
Cutting the Abdomen

The western word are developing legislations on the rights of the unborn child/new born childs  and we are here banning banning.

Before Christians crucify me i am circumcised, abdomen was cut and am against abortion. In finland it is illegal to circumcise your child both Christian and non Christian. so almost all the male here are not circumcised and they are Christians.

It is our culture and we should not condemn it because of people who do not have culture of their own. Either it is barbaric or not should have been settled by a referendum carried out in both English and Yoruba language on every citizen of the state and use the result to determine if to barn it or not.

If we were to carry out an anonymous referendum on circumcision and abortion in Nigeria , i will only say you will be surprised by the results.


[table]Personal choice, abi? Why don't we let the kids grow and decide if they want scars on their faces?
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should kids from a Christian parents be allowed to grow up and decide if he wants circumcision or not?

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The only problem with this law is that you can't place the time a child was tattooed unless the wound is still fresh because no parent will be penalized for tattooing his/her child before this law but how will you differentiate  older tribal marks from newer ones made after the law?. I think it's better to use any available media to educate illiterate parents on this issue than just ban it because the more I think about it, the more it looks to me that its not going to work.[/table]

They can solve that by using the date of birth of the child, any child  that is tattoed and whose date of birth is six months  or one year as they may wish after the law was made, then the parents is guilty, You cannot punish the parents of child tattooed before the law was made.

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Should we run away from our identities because oyibo/Americana finds it difficult to assimilate?. I am against tribal marks only when it's done on children but any adult that deems it fit to do so can knock him or herself out.
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i tire ooo my sister for all these westernization and globalization. westernization suppose to stop corruption he no fit for naija

[table]let's not make it into a Yoruba attack thread but honestly the tribal marks have no place in today's society.
There's this very beautiful physician I run into in places.Great personality,wonderful female shape to die for.
Looks excellent in traditional and western wear, great ebony complexion,beautiful hair, very attractive girl but for the stupidity of some adults in her family that scared this pretty girl with 2 long deep dark grooves  about 2 inches long, one on each cheek.
In her native Osun state, it may not mean much but here in America, people will describe her as the sweet  African  doctor with long scars on her face especially since they can't pronounce our last names.
Who wants that type of intro?[/table]

A man should be proud of its colour and culture, if they cannot pronounce my name then i will also return the same favour back to them also when i call their name, don't tell me you don't know how to abuse these pigs and obesity people.

is this a joke? how is tribal mark the same as abortion?

FGM should also be banned

what the hell is "cutting of the abdomen"

Tribal mark does not equate to abortion for sure, I am just trying to point out that just like in the case of abortion where there is still much debate about it, that why can't the government allow a debate first about this issue or find out by statistics  if the people want it or not before banning it.

Also i am just trying to point out that some people who are against tribal marks might also be supporting abortion on the other hand.So while in the case of abortion there was a debate before they made a law about so also there should be a debate about this issue as well.

The same analogy of FGM applies also to circumcision. In finland there is a law that says no circumcision and FGM, But you will find out in Nigeria that Christians who are against FGM will also support circumcision. because their religion says so. what if Christianity said yes to FGM

karmon leave Christianity aside and place FGM and circumcision side by side and decide which you will take and which you will ban?
Now place christianity back and decide again and see if the result is the same. to me i will choose one and leave one.

what the hell is "cutting of the abdomen" sorry for this one my mistake  i did not know how to explain this part ,i was taking about the DODO the small hole in our stomach. some of my Ibo friends have their own big and when they become baptised do you know they are advised to have it cut and trimmed like the Christians trimmed from birth but am not so sure about this.

Tribal mark does not equate to abortion for sure, I am just trying to point out that just like in the case of abortion where there is still much debate about it, that why can't the government allow a debate first about this issue or find out by statistics if the people want it or not before banning it.

Also i am just trying to point out that some people who are against tribal marks might also be supporting abortion on the other hand.So while in the case of abortion there was a debate before they made a law about so also there should be a debate about this issue as well.

The same analogy of FGM applies also to circumcision. In finland there is a law that says no circumcision and FGM, But you will find out in Nigeria that Christians who are against FGM will also support circumcision. because their religion says so. what if Christianity said yes to FGM

karmon leave Christianity aside and place FGM and circumcision side by side and decide which you will take and which you will ban?
Now place christianity back and decide again and see if the result is the same. to me i will choose one and leave one.

what the hell is "cutting of the abdomen" sorry for this one my mistake i did not know how to explain this part ,i was taking about the DODO the small hole in our stomach. some of my Ibo friends have their own big and when they become baptised do you know they are advised to have it cut and trimmed like the Christians trimmed from birth but am not so sure about this.

I'm not against tribal marks as a culture rather I'm against doing it on under aged children. Culture should be a choice and if the eventually grow and decide to get one, good for them but don't disfigure their face when they have no power to say no because they may grow to hate it.

Black_Revo:

karmon leave Christianity aside and place FGM and circumcision side by side and decide which you will take and which you will ban?

KarmaMod has too many letters for you abi wetin?

As for circumsion, one has advantages and the other does not. The stupid reason behind FGM fails woefully. DAMAGING a female (what circumcision for males doesnt do) in HOPES that rendering her an "orgasm-less" person doesnt stop them from being "promiscuous"

@KarmaMod

KarmaMod has too many letters for you abi wetin?

As for circumsion, one has advantages and the other does not. The stupid reason behind FGM fails woefully. DAMAGING a female (what circumcision for males doesn't do) in HOPES that rendering her an "orgasm-less" person doesn't stop them from being "promiscuous"

Ha no mind me my sister i was replying and i didn't want to go back to copy your name so i shortened it but now i take notice of that, i have to copy the full and correct name when referring to someone. Now back to your reply. To say the truth i don't have deep Knowledge about FGM, i even have to google it to find out the meaning of the abbreviation and i know things happen like that in Africa. Okay as for the reason why it is practised, it is more than what you say just check this out

Reasons for Supporting FGM Vary

Reasons for supporting FGM include the beliefs that it is a "good tradition", a religious requirement(s), or a necessary rite of passage to womanhood; that it ensures cleanliness or better marriage prospects, prevents promiscuity and excessive clitoral growth, preserves virginity, enhances male sexuality, and facilitates childbirth by widening the birth canal.

Until the 1950s, FGM was performed in England and the United States as a common "treatment" for lesbianism, masturbation, hysteria, epilepsy, and other so-called "female deviances".41
Religious affiliation can affect approval levels: A study in Kenya and Sierra Leone revealed that most Protestants opposed FGM while a majority of Catholics and Muslims supported its continuation.42
There is a direct correlation between a woman's attitude towards FGM and her place of residence, educational background, and work status. DHS data indicate that urban women are less likely than their rural counterparts to support FGM. Employed women are also less likely to support it. Women with little or no education are more likely to support the practice than those with a secondary or higher education.44 Data from the 1989 Sudanese survey (of women 15- to 49-years-old) show that 80 percent of women with no education or only primary education support FGM, compared to only 55 percent of those with senior secondary or higher schooling.45 A woman's age does not seem to influence support.
Most women who have had the FGM procedure are strongly in favor of FGM for their daughters.46 In Egypt, 50 percent of the women surveyed reported that they had at least one daughter who had gone through the procedure, while 38 percent intended to do so in the future. In addition, most of these women want their daughters to undergo the same type of procedure they had.49
Most women who favor ending the practice also feel they do not have enough information to convince men of the harmful effects of FGM.50 Men help continue the practice by refusing to marry women who have not had FGM or by allowing or paying for their daughter's procedures. DHS data indicate that, in general, women believe that their husband's attitudes toward FGM are similar to their own.51 However, recent studies in Eritrea and Sudan found that men may actually be less supportive and more indifferent than women toward this practice.52

http://www.path.org/files/FGM-The-Facts.htm

Okay lets forget about advantages and disadvantages now, should the male child be allowed to grow old to decide if he wants it or not (circumcision). Yeah it does not stop them from being promiscuous and it can never be and i agree to that but lets compare the reasons also for circumcising a male? religious obligations/fulfilments or preventing male also from being promiscuous? If it is the later has it not failed woefully also? so in my conclusion we are all biased , Christians will go against tribal marks, FGM and abortion but not circumcision because the bible says they should circumcise. But the arguments they use to go against those three also defeats their reasons for supporting circumcision. do you see where i am coming from?

Check out this statistics on FGM http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb003/is_1_21/ai_n29136901/pg_4

@RedHotChic Okay i understand your point and i am not against tribal mark also but your reasons are very valid but complex in implementing because we cannot use that analogy to apply to every aspect of our culture. A child can grow up to hate the name the parents gave to him. Should the child grow up to choose a name for him or herself? Once again your idea is very good but how do we solve the other parts of our cultures also with this analogy?

I'm just imagining how I will look like if I had TM. Thank God I don't have one.
But do you know some people,especially male, still look nice even with TM. I'm not talking about lion claw one, I mean 1-1.

@RedHotChic Okay i understand your point and i am not against tribal mark also but your reasons are very valid but complex in implementing because we cannot use that analogy to apply to every aspect of our culture. A child can grow up to hate the name the parents gave to him. Should the child grow up to choose a name for him or herself? Once again your idea is very good but how do we solve the other parts of our cultures also with this analogy?

True, a child may hate his/her name later in life but it can be changed anyway. Tribal marks cannot be changed except recently they have corrective surgeries which are expensive. In Nigeria as a whole, there are no plastic surgeons yet that can effect such change.

For goodness why would anyone sit down and make marks on his/her children? I'm still trying to comprehend that whenever I see them on people especially those ones that seems as if they were done with annoyance and vengeance.

But do you know some people,especially male, still look nice even with TM. I'm not talking about lion claw one, I mean 1-1.

Let women be the judge of that.

Most will tell you at first sight, it's a turn off esp nowadays

You and your tongue. Oh God, I thought you were redeemed by now. What happened?

Benu soun, ashewo GA

Stop taking God's name in vain

LOL, . . I be your ashewo na. I respect my God, no vanity here sweetie. Can you restrain that sharp tongue sometimes. . . I mean put a lock on the razors. You remind of the stories about razor laced whips - whoopsh! whooopsh!!

Anyway, how you dey? Negro misses you.

RedHot,

wassup with you and tribes? Tribal this. . . tribal that. . . I think next time the King of Zambia (where is that King that marries multiple young girls, is it Zambia?) asks for a Nigerian maiden we will make it conditional that he takes you along or no deal.

olodo its Swaziland

the razor tongue is secksy jare

RedHot,

wassup with you and tribes? Tribal this. . . tribal that. . . I think next time the King of Zambia (where is that King that marries multiple young girls, is it Zambia?) asks for a Nigerian maiden we will make it conditional that he takes you along or no deal.

What has tribes got to do with this now or are you trying to block me from commenting on your kinsmen latest action in Jos that is worse than what is happening in Mumbai now?

lmao @ olodo. Yes, Swaziland. Thank you jare.

I will send an emissary to King Wazabanga of Swazulu reminding him that his request for a maiden from Nigeria is still valued but with a little amendment that I am sure he will find delightful. The heads of cattle remains 100 for the girl's dowry to her parents. He will in addition be getting a fair and beautiful maiden, more beautiful than he could ever imagined. Her name is DeepZone. DeepZone is given to the King as a token. If he should find it overwhelming to handle the two girls, he is reminded to forward DZ to Robert Mugabe as a honorable gesture from the Nigerian people.

Fine is not the answer but education of the masses

thank you, those illiterates don't care about the law