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Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by asala1: 2:47pm On Nov 20, 2014
I believe there were some scholars during the time of Jesus, I don't know if there are any historical documentation of the life of Jesus Christ outside the Bible. He should be an important figure during His time because he had many followers and was a thorn in the flesh of the Romans. Is there anything written about Him in their political history, judicial history, or something during his time? People go on pilgrimage to Jerusalem and many of them visit the tomb of Jesus Christ, I feel there should be something written about Him somewhere outside the Bible?
Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by davien(m): 4:02pm On Nov 20, 2014
Even jews don't know "jesus"
Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by nora544: 4:30pm On Nov 20, 2014
yes from the roman empire search google and read.
Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by PastorKun(m): 5:01pm On Nov 20, 2014
@OP
Yes there were actually over 30 books(gospels) written about Jesus Christ, however only four gospels made it into the bible.
Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by davien(m): 5:03pm On Nov 20, 2014
PastorKun:
@OP
Yes there were actually over 30 books(gospels) written about Jesus Christ, however only four gospels made it into the bible.
and they were handpicked by "fallible men"...as the standard.

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Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by PastorKun(m): 5:18pm On Nov 20, 2014
davien:
and they were handpicked by "fallible men"...as the standard.

Na you sabi tongue
Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by davien(m): 5:23pm On Nov 20, 2014
PastorKun:


Na you sabi tongue
lol....
Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by shaggy007(m): 5:39pm On Nov 20, 2014
Of course not.
Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by plaetton: 5:55pm On Nov 20, 2014
PastorKun:
@OP
Yes there were actually over 30 books(gospels) written about Jesus Christ, however only four gospels made it into the bible.
The op is talking about historical books written by people who lived during the time of Jesus.
There are none.
Gospels written by anonymous authors a century after Jesus are not considered historical references.

The interesting thing you mentioned is that the books excluded from the Bible were excluded because their narratives did not include such things as virgin birth and godhood of Jesus. Many portrayed him as a simple teacher who led a simple life.

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Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by sonmvayina(m): 7:53pm On Nov 20, 2014
the gospel of Mark happens to be the first of the four gospels, and some school of thought actually think that he was writing a theological fiction, and that he got some of his ideas from homers Odysseus..with some parallels. well i am 50-50 on this as i have not had any concrete proof. most of the Epistle talked about a revelation rather than a second coming.so by implication we can work that out....

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Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by Nobody: 8:49pm On Nov 20, 2014
Jesus! Jesus!! Jesus!!!...first of all what's the meaning of jesus,it means 'the chosen one' and I saw somebody wrote people see jesus tomb in jerusalem,that's funny because its not true now check this out...At the time of jesus trial and cruxification one name comes to mind piotus pilate but then again when piotus pilate history was researched and looked into,it was discovered that the only place that name occurred was fiction novel of old...I'm not tryna write recklessly or ignorantly to sound smart,you could make your deep rooted research yourself.
Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by nora544: 11:38pm On Nov 20, 2014
aaronson:
Jesus! Jesus!! Jesus!!!...first of all what's the meaning of jesus,it means 'the chosen one' and I saw somebody wrote people see jesus tomb in jerusalem,that's funny because its not true now check this out...At the time of jesus trial and cruxification one name comes to mind piotus pilate but then again when piotus pilate history was researched and looked into,it was discovered that the only place that name occurred was fiction novel of old...I'm not tryna write recklessly or ignorantly to sound smart,you could make your deep rooted research yourself.

The first physical evidence relating to Pilate was discovered in 1961, when a block of limestone, the Pilate Stone, was found in the Roman theatre at Caesarea Maritima, the capital of the province of Judaea (Iudaea). Bearing a damaged dedication by Pilate of a Tiberieum, the dedication states that he was [...]ECTVS IUDA[...] (usually read as praefectus Iudaeae), that is, prefect of Judaea. The early governors of Judaea were of prefect rank, the later were of procurator rank, beginning with Cuspius Fadus in AD 44. The inscription was discovered by a group led by Antonio Frova and has been dated to AD 26–37. The inscription is currently housed in the Israel Museum, Jerusalem, while a replica stands at Caesarea.

Pilate is mentioned by name and rank in a document by the 1st century Roman historian, Tacitus, and by 1st century Jewish-Roman historian Josephus.

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Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by asala1: 5:15am On Nov 21, 2014
PastorKun:
@OP
Yes there were actually over 30 books(gospels) written about Jesus Christ, however only four gospels made it into the bible.

Thanks you. Apart from what is written by the disciples or the early Christians as gospels, are there other historical events in the Jewish or Roman political, judicial or any other secular history pertaining His life or just a mention.

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Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by asala1: 5:33am On Nov 21, 2014
nora544:


The first physical evidence relating to Pilate was discovered in 1961, when a block of limestone, the Pilate Stone, was found in the Roman theatre at Caesarea Maritima, the capital of the province of Judaea (Iudaea). Bearing a damaged dedication by Pilate of a Tiberieum, the dedication states that he was [...]ECTVS IUDA[...] (usually read as praefectus Iudaeae), that is, prefect of Judaea. The early governors of Judaea were of prefect rank, the later were of procurator rank, beginning with Cuspius Fadus in AD 44. The inscription was discovered by a group led by Antonio Frova and has been dated to AD 26–37. The inscription is currently housed in the Israel Museum, Jerusalem, while a replica stands at Caesarea.

Pilate is mentioned by name and rank in a document by the 1st century Roman historian, Tacitus, and by 1st century Jewish-Roman historian Josephus.

Okay, this is nice. Please, is it that the Romans don't keep documentation of their historical events properly at that time? That it seems difficult to get proper documented information about Pilate who I suppose was an important figure then. Is it that these information were lost somewhere at some point in time? We have the Holy Bible that has proper documentation that far precedes these periods and these information are still available to us now. 2000 years ago is longtime but when you compare it with some other times that have documented information, it's actually not that long. I am just curious.
Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by asala1: 5:54am On Nov 21, 2014
aaronson:
Jesus! Jesus!! Jesus!!!...first of all what's the meaning of jesus,it means 'the chosen one' and I saw somebody wrote people see jesus tomb in jerusalem,that's funny because its not true now check this out...At the time of jesus trial and cruxification one name comes to mind piotus pilate but then again when piotus pilate history was researched and looked into,it was discovered that the only place that name occurred was fiction novel of old...I'm not tryna write recklessly or ignorantly to sound smart,you could make your deep rooted research yourself.

Do you really believe someone will just take a pen and write this beautiful story about Jesus Christ? Don't you think people living at that time will debunk the story because they were alive and are witness? People may have different opinion about who He is and what He represented then, but I don't think I agree with you about the fiction part.

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Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by PastorKun(m): 6:02am On Nov 21, 2014
plaetton:

The op is talking about historical books written by people who lived during the time of Jesus.
There are none.
Gospels written by anonymous authors a century after Jesus are not considered historical references.

The interesting thing you mentioned is that the books excluded from the Bible were excluded because their narratives did not include such things as virgin birth and godhood of Jesus. Many portrayed him as a simple teacher who led a simple life.

With reference to the bolded above, I didn't mention it as you wrongly stated, those are purely your ideas.

@OP Josephus a notable first century jewish historian also wrote about Jesus in his writings.
Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by Nobody: 6:07am On Nov 21, 2014
nora544:


The first physical evidence relating to Pilate was discovered in 1961, when a block of limestone, the Pilate Stone, was found in the Roman theatre at Caesarea Maritima, the capital of the province of Judaea (Iudaea). Bearing a damaged dedication by Pilate of a Tiberieum, the dedication states that he was [...]ECTVS IUDA[...] (usually read as praefectus Iudaeae), that is, prefect of Judaea. The early governors of Judaea were of prefect rank, the later were of procurator rank, beginning with Cuspius Fadus in AD 44. The inscription was discovered by a group led by Antonio Frova and has been dated to AD 26–37. The inscription is currently housed in the Israel Museum, Jerusalem, while a replica stands at Caesarea.

Pilate is mentioned by name and rank in a document by the 1st century Roman historian, Tacitus, and by 1st century Jewish-Roman historian Josephus.
jesus was amalgam of earlier pagan myth brought together by mythic figure of a god-man and saviour of a kind found in many cult of the time so all of these you wrote is really valid testament to christ existence....check this out,all of what you wrote were clone works myths like Horus,Attis and Dionysius and gullible people amalgamated them into pagan/jewish messiah who didn't exist.
DID you really know that most most actions that took place during the gospel wasn't tied to any date but the birth of Christ is an exception to make his existence look real and legit.
okay let's just settle scored of conflicting dates and say jesus existed somewhere around the very first century so how is it not possible for some people to have a first hand information about christ order than biased historians whom there works wasn't even for the christians or any messiah
Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by Nobody: 6:08am On Nov 21, 2014
nora544:


The first physical evidence relating to Pilate was discovered in 1961, when a block of limestone, the Pilate Stone, was found in the Roman theatre at Caesarea Maritima, the capital of the province of Judaea (Iudaea). Bearing a damaged dedication by Pilate of a Tiberieum, the dedication states that he was [...]ECTVS IUDA[...] (usually read as praefectus Iudaeae), that is, prefect of Judaea. The early governors of Judaea were of prefect rank, the later were of procurator rank, beginning with Cuspius Fadus in AD 44. The inscription was discovered by a group led by Antonio Frova and has been dated to AD 26–37. The inscription is currently housed in the Israel Museum, Jerusalem, while a replica stands at Caesarea.

Pilate is mentioned by name and rank in a document by the 1st century Roman historian, Tacitus, and by 1st century Jewish-Roman historian Josephus.
Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by Nobody: 6:14am On Nov 21, 2014
asala1:


Do you really believe someone will just take a pen and write this beautiful story about Jesus Christ? Don't you think people living at that time will debunk the story because they were alive and are witness? People may have different opinion about who He is and what He represented then, but I don't think I agree with you about the fiction part.
You don't need agree with me because you haven't done research yourself...Make your own RESEARCH!!!!

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Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by asala1: 7:12am On Nov 21, 2014
aaronson:
jesus was amalgam of earlier pagan myth brought together by mythic figure of a god-man and saviour of a kind found in many cult of the time so all of these you wrote is really valid testament to christ existence....check this out,all of what you wrote were clone works myths like Horus,Attis and Dionysius and gullible people amalgamated them into pagan/jewish messiah who didn't exist.
DID you really know that most most actions that took place during the gospel wasn't tied to any date but the birth of Christ is an exception to make his existence look real and legit.
okay let's just settle scored of conflicting dates and say jesus existed somewhere around the very first century so[b] how is it not possible for some people to have a first hand information about christ order [/b]than biased historians whom there works wasn't even for the christians or any messiah

The bold is exactly what I am really look for. Something outside the religious setting, based on documented history.
Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by honourhim: 8:08am On Nov 21, 2014
asala1:
I believe there were some scholars during the time of Jesus, I don't know if there are any historical documentation of the life of Jesus Christ outside the Bible. He should be an important figure during His time because he had many followers and was a thorn in the flesh of the Romans. Is there anything written about Him in their political history, judicial history, or something during his time? People go on pilgrimage to Jerusalem and many of them visit the tomb of Jesus Christ, I feel there should be something written about Him somewhere outside the Bible?

Check this link and see how far it can help you.
http://www.facingthechallenge.org/outside.php
Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by asala1: 9:51am On Nov 21, 2014
honourhim:


Check this link and see how far it can help you.
http://www.facingthechallenge.org/outside.php

Thanks.
Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by Nobody: 10:08am On Nov 21, 2014
There is no direct evidence that a man called Jesus existed in Israel. After the invasion of the black civilization in Egypt by the Persians(modern day Turkey) which was around 354 BC. A lot of distortions of the Library in Egypt has taken place. All the statues with Negro faces have be broken and now they wanna show us the "SAVIOR" of the world is Jewish. Everything to make the Jewish superior by all means.

Of course there won't be any evidence they can pull out that Jesus(Horus) actually existed in Israel,neither can they point to any tombs of the ancient rulers/kings who they claimed ruled Israel. But over the years,they have forced people to have faith that Jesus actually exist. Well it does in a Christianized mind.

The picture included is my own picture taken from the British museum. That was supposed to be the burial stone of the last black ruler of Egypt before the Persian/white invasion. Thereafter we had the Bible and other white historical saviours. That was possible because they all lived Egypt and studied books written by the black Egyptians. All the black heroes became white all of a sudden.

Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by PastorKun(m): 10:39am On Nov 21, 2014
ifeness:
There is no direct evidence that a man called Jesus existed in Israel. After the invasion of the black civilization in Egypt by the Persians(modern day Turkey) which was around 354 BC. A lot of distortions of the Library in Egypt has taken place. All the statues with Negro faces have be broken and now they wanna show us the "SAVIOR" of the world is Jewish. Everything to make the Jewish superior by all means.

Of course there won't be any evidence they can pull out that Jesus(Horus) actually existed in Israel,neither can they point to any tombs of the ancient rulers/kings who they claimed ruled Israel. But over the years,they have forced people to have faith that Jesus actually exist. Well it does in a Christianized mind.

The picture included is my own picture taken from the British museum. That was supposed to be the burial stone of the last black ruler of Egypt before the Persian/white invasion. Thereafter we had the Bible and other white historical saviours. That was possible because they all lived Egypt and studied books written by the black Egyptians. All the black heroes became white all of a sudden.

The bolded is wrong, the Persians are the modern day Iranians.
Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by Nobody: 10:51am On Nov 21, 2014
PastorKun:


The bolded is wrong, the Persians are the modern day Iranians.

There is not a lot of difference between them. After the invasion of the resettlement of the Nubian in Africa,the same Turkish/Arabs/Persians still waged 1,200 years of war with the Nubians which I'm sure is not yet wiped out of the history books.
Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by rabzy: 11:00am On Nov 21, 2014
Justin Martyr who was born in 100 C.E in his evidence to the roman senate mentioned Jesus Christ and said all the things said about him is true. He told the senate to check those facts from the Acts of Pontius Pilate i.e official records of pontius pilate.

Those records cant be found again but if it didn't exist, Justin could not have asked the senate to check it.

This is just one out of several other sources.
Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by rabzy: 11:36am On Nov 21, 2014
asala1:
I believe there were some scholars during the time of Jesus, I don't know if there are any historical documentation of the life of Jesus Christ outside the Bible. He should be an important figure during His time because he had many followers and was a thorn in the flesh of the Romans. Is there anything written about Him in their political history, judicial history, or something during his time? People go on pilgrimage to Jerusalem and many of them visit the tomb of Jesus Christ, I feel there should be something written about Him somewhere outside the Bible?

There is no historical record of socrates, alexander the great etc but what people that came after them wrote and what their followers wrote. but there is little doubt that these two people lived.
Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by plaetton: 12:28pm On Nov 21, 2014
PastorKun:


With reference to the bolded above, I didn't mention it as you wrongly stated, those are purely your ideas.

@OP Josephus a notable first century jewish historian also wrote about Jesus in his writings.
Oh please!
Josephus mention of "the followers of a man called Jesus" has been widely discredited as a Pius fraud, inserted much later after the book had been written.

But even at that, Josephus mentions it as heresay many years after the events supposedly took place, not as something he had witnessed.
Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by plaetton: 12:37pm On Nov 21, 2014
rabzy:
Justin Martyr who was born in 100 C.E in his evidence to the roman senate mentioned Jesus Christ and said all the things said about him is true. He told the senate to check those facts from the Acts of Pontius Pilate i.e official records of pontius pilate.

Those records cant be found again but if it didn't exist, Justin could not have asked the senate to check it.

This is just one out of several other sources.

You have to ask your self, who was Justin Martyr?
He was one of the earliest Christian fathers, who lost his life on account of his beliefs.

To say that Justin Martyr's testimony while on trial is evidence of Jesus historicity is quite laughable.
And there no mention of Jesus in annals of Roman history. No mention if Jesus in annals of Jewish history.
Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by Tboysalau(m): 12:48pm On Nov 21, 2014
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Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by rabzy: 2:28pm On Nov 21, 2014
plaetton:


You have to ask your self, who was Justin Martyr?
He was one of the earliest Christian fathers, who lost his life on account of his beliefs.

To say that Justin Martyr's testimony while on trial is evidence of Jesus historicity is quite laughable.
And there no mention of Jesus in annals of Roman history. No mention if Jesus in annals of Jewish history.

How can you say it is laughable. His life was in danger and he was proving the basis of his beliefs. As evidence he asked the Roman senate to check one of their own documents to attest to what he is saying. would he stake his life on a non-existent document.

Mind you he a converted xtian, you think he would risk his life on a lie and also base his evidence on a non-existent document? It wasn't a laughing matter, it was a life and death matter. So it is a relevant case to mention.

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Re: Is There Any Historical Evidence Of Jesus Christ Outside The Bible? by rabzy: 2:35pm On Nov 21, 2014
Tacitus, born about 55 C.E. and considered one of the world’s greatest historians, mentioned the Christians in his Annals. In the account about Nero’s blaming the great fire of Rome in 64 C.E. on them, he wrote: “Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus.” The details of this account match the information regarding the Jesus of the Bible.

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