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The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by Jk210(f): 6:48am On Dec 16, 2014
It honestly shouldn't be rocket science. Normally the post of a VP should be ceremonial and shouldn't throw up as much ruckus as that of the APC is but when you have a presidential candidate that has been as demonised as Buhari is, then your choice of a VP should be as popular as to be able to convince voters and draw in votes.

Buhari is only popular in the Northwest and Northeast. GEJ appears to have SS and SE on lockdown giving SW and NC swing vote status. I honestly wouldn't be overconfident about having SW in my palms if I were APC. Fayemi an incumbent in Ekiti just lost an election there, did he not? Hence the idea of an Amaechi VP however nice it sounds might not galvanise the average Iya Risi or Mama Kabira in a village in Owo once they don't see names they can identify with on the ballot box. Same thing with any other candidate outside the region. Amaechi would only make sense if he can pull in votes or split the SS votes with Jonathan, something which is unlikely as he has also been demonised just like Buhari.

Now Fashola even though a muslim seems to be popular throughout the southwest and even beyond because of the cosmopolitan nature of Lagos with other ethnic groups coming in and going out in droves and therefore should not be a hard-sell. If APC is really serious about winning this elections, he is the one they should field and counter any muslim-muslim calumny from PDP with the achievements of Fashola as governor and Buhari's anti-corruption stance.

Anything short of this I don't see them making any inroads. Even if the pope is fielded as Buhari's deputy it is still not going to make a difference to some people so why bother with all the pastors et al. If at all they must field a christain deputy, someone with national clout like Oshiomhole is still preferable but I still maintain that a Fashola would have been the game changer. Wishing them the best of luck...

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Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by luvmijeje(f): 6:53am On Dec 16, 2014
Buhari is only popular in the Northwest and Northeast. GEJ appears to have SS and SE on lockdown giving SW and NC swing vote status. I honestly wouldn't be overconfident about having SW in my palms if I were APC. Fayemi an incumbent in Ekiti just lost an election there, did he not? Hence the idea of an Amaechi VP however nice it sounds might not galvanise the average Iya Risi or Mama Kabira in a village in Owo once they don't see names they can identify with on the ballot box. Same thing with any other candidate outside the region. Amaechi would only make sense if he can pull in votes or split the SS votes with Jonathan, something which is unlikely as he has also been demonised just like Buhari.

May God bless you. I couldn't have say it better.
Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by Nobody: 6:58am On Dec 16, 2014
Tinubu is a saint


Fashola an angel


Buhari the incorruptible




The plan of Nigeria internal colonialists (Hausa Fulani Yoruba )


See their plan below

Hausa-Fulani = 2015-2023

Yoruba = 2023-2031




GEJ till 2019

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Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by Jk210(f): 7:11am On Dec 16, 2014
WhiteTechnology:

Tinubu is a saint
Fashola an angel
Buhari the incorruptible
The plan of Nigeria internal colonialists (Hausa Fulani Yoruba )
See their plan below
Hausa-Fulani = 2015-2023
Yoruba = 2023-2031
GEJ till 2019
No that's not what this is about. I'm sure nobody has such a plan. We just want to try something different from PDP since they seem to be in over their head where Nigerian issues are concerned.

If APC too doesn't live up to expectations after four years, then they can be kicked out too in the next polls. That's how sophisticated I hope the Nigerian voter becomes

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Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by Nobody: 7:15am On Dec 16, 2014
Jk210:

No that's not what this is about. I'm sure nobody has such a plan. We just want to try something different from PDP since they seem to be in over their head where Nigerian issues are concerned.

If APC too doesn't live up to expectations after four years, then they can be kicked out too in the next polls. That's how sophisticated I hope the Nigerian voter becomes



Ehhnnnn


So give me one reason why Amaechi was not chosen

After all it is the turn of SS

Dlon't you believe in equity justice and fairness again
Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by martincbarton: 7:17am On Dec 16, 2014
not in the present politics.

Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by Jk210(f): 7:25am On Dec 16, 2014
WhiteTechnology:

Ehhnnnn
So give me one reason why Amaechi was not chosen
After all it is the turn of SS
Dlon't you believe in equity justice and fairness again
I do. But I've read on this board people who are supposedly Amaechi's kin make fun of him and say he can't even win his local government let alone the whole of Rivers state same as Rochas.

Pray tell, how that helps APCs cause on election day? They need votes in their thousands and millions and If Amaechi can't deliver the SS bloc votes, that makes his candidature dicey.

Honestly, I wish we can move away from politics of ethnicity and religion in Nigeria. Only then can we move forward as a country...

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Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by Nobody: 7:28am On Dec 16, 2014
Jk210:

I do. But I've read on this board people who are supposedly Amaechi's kin make fun of him and say he can't even win his local government let alone the whole of Rivers state same as Rochas.

Pray tell, how that helps APCs cause on election day? They need votes in their thousands and millions and If Amaechi can't deliver the SS bloc votes, that makes his candidature dicey.

Honestly, I wish we can move away from politics of ethnicity and religion in Nigeria. Only then can we move forward as a country...


Bros face reality

Is all about access to Nigeria wealth and power

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Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by Jk210(f): 7:33am On Dec 16, 2014
WhiteTechnology:

Bros face reality
Is all about access to Nigeria wealth and power
Hmmm.
If you say sa so. But we must try to effect change as much as possible. That's why I'm interested in a Fashola candidature since he appears like someone willing to put in some hard work.

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Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by Caseless: 7:34am On Dec 16, 2014
As much as i'd like fashola to be there, i stil cant take away my eyez from Amaechi option. Amaechi is more of a stronger and popular figure in SS than gej. The SS people cant see what gej did as a governor, and they have seen nothing that he has done as a president, too. They can see an achiever in Amaechi and may go with him. They shared the sentiment of "na we son" last time. They're wiser now- it is more about development and not just having their son there.
#giveusAMAECHI

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Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by Jk210(f): 7:46am On Dec 16, 2014
Caseless:
As much as i'd like fashola to be there, i stil cant take away my eyez from Amaechi option. Amaechi is more of a stronger and popular figure in SS than gej. The SS people cant see what gej did as a governor, and they have seen nothing that he has done as a president, too. They can see an achiever in Amaechi and may go with him. They shared the sentiment of "na we son" last time. They're wiser now- it is more about development and not just having their son there.
#giveusAMAECHI
Hmmm.
Niger politics... Are you sure about that? I don't think Amaechi is that popular in SS as such plus all those Anioma what not I read on this board and most forums.

The truth is Nigeria, I sometimes wonder if even dividing the country would have any effect. In that same Bayelsa we have the Ijaws- Tompolo up against another group. The ethnic divides are just much. We need to move away from politics of ethnicity and identify people who can do the job and put them there.

I'm for any credible acheiver. Let's watch and see but if APC doesn't get the right permutations, they would lose what would have been their closest chance of wrestling power from PDP.

I just hope they don't bungle it...

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Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by mrvitalis(m): 7:53am On Dec 16, 2014
WhiteTechnology:




Ehhnnnn


So give me one reason why Amaechi was not chosen

After all it is the turn of SS

Dlon't you believe in equity justice and fairness again
do u have evidence of him spending d dollars ?
i can also say akpabio has finished akwa ibom money for jonathan

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Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by mrvitalis(m): 7:59am On Dec 16, 2014
Jk210:

Hmmm.
Niger politics... Are you sure about that? I don't think Amaechi is that popular in SS as such plus all those Anioma what not I read on this board and most forums.

The truth is Nigeria, I sometimes wonder if even dividing the country would have any effect. In that same Bayelsa we have the Ijaws- Tompolo up against another group. The ethnic divides are just much. We need to move away from politics of ethnicity and identify people who can do the job and put them there.

I'm for any credible acheiver. Let's watch and see but if APC doesn't get the right permutations, they would lose what would have been their closest chance of wrestling power from PDP.

I just hope they don't bungle it...
the truth is simple the young and educated people feel what ameachi has being doing are right
...and PDP bringing WIKE now give rivers no option and has proven ameachi right that jonathan has no good plan for rivers and that his wife just want rivers under her
..only ameachi can go to akwa ibom and challenge akpabio on achievement and let the people know they have been deceived
ameachi only just need to watch his mouth
Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by Jk210(f): 8:09am On Dec 16, 2014
mrvitalis:

the truth is simple the young and educated people feel what ameachi has being doing are right
...and PDP bringing WIKE now give rivers no option and has proven ameachi right that jonathan has no good plan for rivers and that his wife just want rivers under her
..only ameachi can go to akwa ibom and challenge akpabio on achievement and let the people know they have been deceived
ameachi only just need to watch his mouth
Well, let's watch and see how the events unfold.
I really wish them the best
Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by Caseless: 8:18am On Dec 16, 2014
Jk210:

Hmmm.
Niger politics... Are you sure about that? I don't think Amaechi is that popular in SS as such plus all those Anioma what not I read on this board and most forums.

The truth is Nigeria, I sometimes wonder if even dividing the country would have any effect. In that same Bayelsa we have the Ijaws- Tompolo up against another group. The ethnic divides are just much. We need to move away from politics of ethnicity and identify people who can do the job and put them there.

I'm for any credible acheiver. Let's watch and see but if APC doesn't get the right permutations, they would lose what would have been their closest chance of wrestling power from PDP.

I just hope they don't bungle it...
the worst thing that can happen to anyone in this country is our disintegration. Everywhere u go people tend to pick one factor that favor them and their group, thereby causing division here and there. The so called SS is divided too. Are u saying those who dont like ijaw , happy to see Amaechi fight gej ,and dont support their clueless son wont give their vote to amaechi ahead of gej? How many ar the ijaws? It is a divided region too. I wish our politics could b more free of ethno-religious sentiment.
Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by Truckpusher(m): 8:39am On Dec 16, 2014
Caseless:
the worst thing that can happen to anyone in this country is our disintegration. Everywhere u go people tend to pick one factor that favor them and their group, thereby causing division here and there. The so called SS is divided too. Are u saying those who dont like ijaw , happy to see Amaechi fight gej ,and dont support their clueless son wont give their vote to amaechi ahead of gej? How many ar the ijaws? It is a divided region too. I wish our politics could b more free of ethno-religious sentiment.
The SS people has never been united under any thing and as well never been united under any ideology this doesn't still make us a divided people like you're insinuating.
We are just there ,very autonomous in nature we are a free people, unlike you guys that are under the yoke of Islam with one Alhaji who holds the economic power using the imams who owns the religious power to control everyone.
We have no respect for our colonialists and slave traders imposed Kings and Queens.
There is a say in my place that goes like this: I know that you're rich but you don't and you can't feed me.
So ,my friend quit talking about a people you hardly understand their way of life and stick to your feudal system.

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Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by Nobody: 9:02am On Dec 16, 2014
Fashola, being a wise man would not want to risk commiting political suicide by being a running mate to Buhari. He knows that Buhari will not win and would not want to be included in the long list of former VP aspirants under the serial failure Buhari who will always contest elections but end up crying.. See him down there, Fashola would not want to be seen doing that. grin grin grin

Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by Caseless: 9:47am On Dec 16, 2014
Truckpusher:
The SS people has never been united under any thing and as well never been united under any ideology this doesn't still make us a divided people like you're insinuating.
We are just there ,very autonomous in nature we are a free people, unlike you guys that are under the yoke of Islam with one Alhaji who holds the economic power using the imams who owns the religious power to control everyone.
We have no respect for our colonialists and slave traders imposed Kings and Queens.
There is a say in my place that goes like this: I know that you're rich but you don't and you can't feed me.
So ,my friend quit talking about a people you hardly understand their way of life and stick to your feudal system.
sms!!! Someone jst painted a true picture of d division in ss, but he's also denying that fact.
Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by Jk210(f): 10:45am On Dec 16, 2014
Caseless:
sms!!! Someone jst painted a true picture of d division in ss, but he's also denying that fact.
So now you see the problem of an Amaechi VP in respect of votes...

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Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by Caseless: 11:59am On Dec 16, 2014
Jk210:

So now you see the problem of an Amaechi VP in respect of votes...
yea, i see. That does not mean d sw wil b 100% for apc if they field fashola ; d divide is also there in d sw, but not too pronounced like it is in other places.
Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by Jk210(f): 12:57pm On Dec 16, 2014
Caseless:
yea, i see. That does not mean d sw wil b 100% for apc if they field fashola ; d divide is also there in d sw, but not too pronounced like it is in other places.
Agreed. But they would have acheived majority- about 75% of SW votes which would prove vital especially as the NC states are already under PDP control thus leading to a tight race with PDP garnering SS, SE, NC and they NE, NW, SW.

In anycase, wish them the best in whatever decision they take.
Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by PointB: 1:06pm On Dec 16, 2014
WhiteTechnology:

Tinubu is a saint


Fashola an angel


Buhari the incorruptible




The plan of Nigeria internal colonialists (Hausa Fulani Yoruba )


See their plan below

Hausa-Fulani = 2015-2023

Yoruba = 2023-2031




GEJ till 2019


As if you know them. Yoruba are not ready to vote any ticket with a Yoruba man on it. Sly bigots, pathetic ethnicists masquerading as progressives. That what most of them on Nairaland are! That's what they support Tinubu Buhari, in the hope they get a VP ticket!
Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by Umennajiego(m): 1:48pm On Dec 16, 2014
#IGBOS...am really proud to be one,all they do is go about their business and protect d interest of that business.Only 20% of idi igbo are politically active wch makes it less a problem on who takes over the presidency!



#MY OPINION#
Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by BossAyuk: 2:09pm On Dec 16, 2014
Jk210:

Hmmm.
Niger politics... Are you sure about that? I don't think Amaechi is that popular in SS as such plus all those Anioma what not I read on this board and most forums.

The truth is Nigeria, I sometimes wonder if even dividing the country would have any effect. In that same Bayelsa we have the Ijaws- Tompolo up against another group. The ethnic divides are just much. We need to move away from politics of ethnicity and identify people who can do the job and put them there.

I'm for any credible acheiver. Let's watch and see but if APC doesn't get the right permutations, they would lose what would have been their closest chance of wrestling power from PDP.

I just hope they don't bungle it...
You're going far with this Amaechi of a man..Have you forgotten that Ojukwu (an igbo warlord) got only about a 150 thousand votes? Why didn't all ibos vote for their "brother"?

Amaechi is not going to bring APC any SW any votes at all (meaning APC would lose both ways)...APC should field Fashola for VP. That's the only way they can win trust me. I can boldly tell you that Buhari is going to get a couple of votes from the SS though. The SE is very irrelevant for APC's votes.

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Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by Jk210(f): 2:47pm On Dec 16, 2014
Umennajiego:
#IGBOS...am really proud to be one,all they do is go about their business and protect d interest of that business.Only 20% of idi igbo are politically active wch makes it less a problem on who takes over the presidency!
#MY OPINION#
That's a very nice philosophy but the thing is if the economy gets so bad to the point that it affects our businesses eg naira devaluation, then we'll have to worry about our policy holders and elected leaders
BossAyuk:

You're going far with this Amaechi of a man..Have you forgotten that Ojukwu (an igbo warlord) got only about a 150 thousand votes? Why didn't all ibos vote for their "brother"?
Amaechi is not going to bring APC any SW any votes at all (meaning APC would lose both ways)...APC should field Fashola for VP. That's the only way they can win trust me. I can boldly tell you that Buhari is going to get a couple of votes from the SS though. The SE is very irrelevant for APC's votes.
That was exactly my fear. The ability to pull in votes but it appears the APC working comittee is dead set on a non muslim-muslim ticket so I hope they're able to woo the SW voters to their side.

A lot depends on it if not PDP can hijack or split SW votes just like Obasanjo did in the days of AD when the likes of Osoba et al where kicked out by PDP. A south west VP would have just neatly sealed the whole deal.
Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by Caseless: 2:47pm On Dec 16, 2014
Jk210:

Agreed. But they would have acheived majority- about 75% of SW votes which would prove vital especially as the NC states are already under PDP control thus leading to a tight race with PDP garnering SS, SE, NC and they NE, NW, SW.

In anycase, wish them the best in whatever decision they take.
i can assure u that d NC is 80% in apc's arm, but d choice of not having a xtain runing-mate might affect this. Let's wait and see what they'll come up with.
Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by rippyblogger(m): 2:50pm On Dec 16, 2014
I am not a card carrying member of the APC,nor the PDP.but I am merely expressing my honest views on our current dilemma. GEJ may be clueless by surrounding himself with corrupt idiots,but believe me Buhari is not the option. History remembers. Majority of the people making noise about buhari taking a stand against corruption and pointing to his past administration were not alive during that period but keep spouting hearsay and calling them facts. A man I respect once said "if you wish to hide treasure from a black man,Put it in a book".sadly this holds true for even our generation,information has never been easily accessible to us with the rise of technology and the internet but we refuse to pore through history books.How do you expect a man promising to rid the nation of corruption to do so when he is aspiring to be elected majorly due to the support of a corrupt former governor of Lagos state.A man who if not for the rejection of a muslim/muslim ticket would have been given the VP slot of the so called progressive party. A party which continually denounces the so called Peoples Party as a corrupt party filled with corrupt politicians and corrupt elected officials but welcomes them with open hands whenever they choose to defect and don them with the toga of saints.I stand to be corrected but apart from Lagos state and Edo to some extent,there has been little progress by the governors elected in 2011 on the platform of the progressive party,but the same party now uses the projects started and completed by some governors when they were a part of the "peoples party" before they defected around this time last year as propaganda citing good governance. I was talking to a freind a few weeks back and she told me"Truly we need change but where are the people capable of bringing it?" .History remembers Buhari as a man who killed 3 youths despite of domestic and international outcry.One of those youths Bernard Ogedengbe was executed despite the fact that his crime was not worthy of capital punishment.The same Buhari refused to aplogize a few years back.A man who prides himself on discipline was full of disdain on the repoert of the oputa panel asking him to appear before the panel on charges of human rights abuse and "corruption" .Check up on your history and ask yourself why shagari a northerner who was president in the then civilian regime,wasn't sent to prison after buhari's coup but his then vice Alex Ekwueme was imprisoned in Kirikiri prisons,why buhari clamped down on the opposition rather than the people he ousted. Buhari and his party now push their cause on the sam press he tried to silence,the same democracy he forbade people from talking about in Public discusions. I refuse to remain ignorant, Ask yourselves why the northerners chose Yaradua over Buhari if he was what the people really wanted.maybe the clamour for him now is because the opposition isn't fielding a candidate from the north *just saying*.Buhari redeployed a certain customs officer for daring to block the passage of 39! Cases filled with Nigeria's money at a time when Nigeria's borders were closed(The customs officer is none other than Atiku our modern political prostitute).His party solicits help from a certain Past President whose amnesia has deteriorated to the extent that he can't remember how corruption boomed during his tenure,but constantly accuses the current government of the same. A man whose lies in his memoir about the civil war were exposed by his fellow officer. A man who was dragged from hiding under his bed during a coup to be installed as the head of state,a coward by all standards. Everyday I read negative things about the president from the stables of the Progressives,it makes me wonder if he has done anything worthy of commendation. I read,I think,I am not swayed by publicity stunts time has come for us all to do the same. P.S I am not calling Jonnny a saint. But The Bible tells us to pray for those in Power so that there may be peace in the land. Maybe instead of castigating the government all day,we should pray for them and change our ways as well.Majority of the people criticizing these are the same from those in positions of power to those in the lower echelons.Students cheat,state officials steal,lecturers collect bribes and we say there is no change. Change the way we act,then we can change the world.
I Read,I think,therefore I live

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Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by Jk210(f): 3:03pm On Dec 16, 2014
Caseless:
i can assure u that d NC is 80% in apc's arm, but d choice of not having a xtain runing-mate might affect this. Let's wait and see what they'll come up with.
I see that too and that's why I hope they're able to balance things out

@rippyblogger
Agreed that Buhari may not be the change we need but we have to start from somewhere and kicking out corruption is a start. Besides no other party has thrown up a presidential candidate. They're all probably waiting to queue up and adopt Jonathan as usual.

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Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by rippyblogger(m): 3:26pm On Dec 16, 2014
Jk210:

I see that too and that's why I hope they're able to balance things out

@rippyblogger
Agreed that Buhari may not be the change we need but we have to start from somewhere and kicking out corruption is a start. Besides no other party has thrown up a presidential candidate. They're all probably waiting to queue up and adopt Jonathan as usual.

I understand sir,but I honestly think its about time we stopped voting based on sympathy.Obj was voted in because of his incarceration,jonathan because of his lack of shoes,Buhari now? .i personally would not have voted for any of the contestants in the progressives primaries whoever was victorious. Kwankwaso? He had been wining and dining with PDP until of recent,atiku? A prostitute (although he seems a meticulous planner who surrounds himself with professionals) sam isiah (unknown quantity) okorocha? It begs the question are there no credible people? Its revealing when the "progressives" keep regressing,setting their time machines backwards instead of moving foward
Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by Akanbiedu(m): 3:39pm On Dec 16, 2014
PointB:

As if you know them. Yoruba are not ready to vote any ticket with a Yoruba man on it. Sly bigots, pathetic ethnicists masquerading as progressives. That what most of them on Nairaland are! That's what they support Tinubu Buhari, in the hope they get a VP ticket!

We are not hoping guy, we are working with other interested parties to achieve give and take. That's what civilized people do, they negotiate.
Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by Jk210(f): 4:02pm On Dec 16, 2014
rippyblogger:

I understand sir,but I honestly think its about time we stopped voting based on sympathy.Obj was voted in because of his incarceration,jonathan because of his lack of shoes,Buhari now? .i personally would not have voted for any of the contestants in the progressives primaries whoever was victorious. Kwankwaso? He had been wining and dining with PDP until of recent,atiku? A prostitute (although he seems a meticulous planner who surrounds himself with professionals) sam isiah (unknown quantity) okorocha? It begs the question are there no credible people? Its revealing when the "progressives" keep regressing,setting their time machines backwards instead of moving foward
I get your point and if you go through my post history you'd discover I was never gung-ho about Buhari candidature not because I never liked him as a person but because I felt he wasn't what we needed right now.

However as the saying goes about making do with options before us, I found him as the lesser of the three evils when forced to choose between him, Atiku and Jonathan. Plus I was hopeful things would be more balanced with a vibrant go-getter like Fashola as his deputy since he had a track record of delegating to his subordinates.

In anycase, I think the political landscape in Nigeria plus the process of choosing our leaders will only be set right when we as a people are willing to overlook ethnic and religious sentiments when choosing our leaders. It should get to a point when we elect leaders based on their trackrecords and acheivements rather than what ethnic group or religious groups they are affiliated with.

Perhaps the downward slide in oil prices would lead to more spending cuts and less attractive remuneration for elected officers and soon those that clamour for elective positions on the sole purpose of enriching themselves would be weeded out in favour of those truly willing to serve. Hopefully that day comes soon...
Re: The politics of a Vice Presidential candidate by ndcide(m): 6:38pm On Dec 16, 2014
Jk210:



Honestly, I wish we can move away from politics of ethnicity and religion in Nigeria. Only then can we move forward as a country...

No we can't because even Buhar's candidacy is hinged MAINLY on ethnicity than anything else. Coz even your VP proposals should have been the flag bearers There are good reasons why it shouldn't have been buhari.

If you don't know this fact, then you are not being truthful to yourself.

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