Catholic Encyclopaedia told me that nonsense

Early celebration

Christmas was not among the earliest festivals of the Church. Irenaeus and Tertullian omit it from their lists of feasts; Origen, glancing perhaps at the discreditable imperial Natalitia, asserts (in Lev. Hom. viii in Migne, P.G., XII, 495) that in the Scriptures sinners alone, not saints, celebrate their birthday; Arnobius (VII, 32 in P.L., V, 1264) can still ridicule the "birthdays" of the gods.

Alexandria
The first evidence of the feast is from Egypt. About A.D. 200, Clement of Alexandria (Stromata I.21) says that certain Egyptian theologians "over curiously" assign, not the year alone, but the day of Christ's birth, placing it on 25 Pachon (20 May) in the twenty-eighth year of Augustus. [Ideler (Chron., II, 397, n.) thought they did this believing that the ninth month, in which Christ was born, was the ninth of their own calendar.] Others reached the date of 24 or 25 Pharmuthi (19 or 20 April). With Clement's evidence may be mentioned the "De paschæ computus", written in 243 and falsely ascribed to Cyprian (P.L., IV, 963 sqq.), which places Christ's birth on 28 March, because on that day the material sun was created. But Lupi has shown (Zaccaria, Dissertazioni ecc. del p. A.M. Lupi, Faenza, 1785, p. 219) that there is no month in the year to which respectable authorities have not assigned Christ's birth. Clement, however, also tells us that the Basilidians

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Ubenedictus:
who told you dat nonesense, hoppolytus record that christmas is celebrated years before 160 AD. So my dear go back and research.

FrancisTony:
We are approaching december 25th, and a lot of debate(s) would be flying around on why christians shouldn't celebrate christmas because it isn't biblical and that date was/is being used to celebrate pagan deity.

The argument is mostly coming from; atheist- Using it make Christians see that they ain't obeying their scriptures, and would end up in hell fire- if their fairy tale biblical account were to be true.

Muslim- to show christians how they're contradicting their holy scriptures using self-appraisal- they know bible more than them(us).

Jehovah witness- to show that they are the best christians.....and some christian faith that don't share Catholic view about december 25th being the birth of our lord Jesus Christ.

But, they are all wrong.
They would resort in asking us to provide a biblical proof to support it, making us to know it's a day for the worshiping the roman gods.

My question is; Does it mean that Satan or whatever god, specially owns that date and we shouldn't use it. We are to avoid any day/date, huh? Atleast, he(God/Jesus) made all things by himself and gave us command over it. I don't see why it should cause a fuss.

This verse would be of help when someone throws the question towards you.
I'm just using thir avenue to help some ignorant Christians who find it hard defending their faith.


The above^^^, is a biblical proof of how December 25th was used to celebrate the victory of King jehoiachin after his release from the prison.

What does it symbolise?

Answer- 25th of December should be used to celebrate the birth of "king of the universe"- Yes! Jesus is our saviour.

Celebrate your Christmas and don't forget to devour all the fowls in your neighbourhood.

There is nothing devilish about a date, but why imitate pagans, and even using symbols wwhich bear pagan significance?

Jehovah warned the Jews about imitating pagan practices, in short, the mosaic law was mostly cautioning the Israelites against initating the practices of the pagans in canaan. Isnt this a lesson for us? cant that serve as a principle?

2. I hope jesus and his apostles were aware of that Jeremiah you quoted? did the apostles make a type of it and start celebrating Jesus' birth?

Your decision is your decision.

vooks:
Catholic Encyclopaedia told me that nonsense

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03724b.htm

thanks be to God new advent catholic encyclopedia is not an authoritative source for doctrines or practices.

It is sometime prone to ignoring patrisic evidence or dismissing them outright.

First of all, that encyclopedia mention origen as source forgetting that origen was condemned severally by his bishops for holding heretic views and embracing platonic ideas that are not in line with christian doctrines and pronuced anathema in the council of constantinople.

It forgets that d easiest way to know d feast celebrated in rome is to check d pontifical libera, and that in 115 it is recorded that pope telesphorus added dat midnight mass should be celebrated before morning christmas mass. It dismisses the fact that all d manuscript of commentary of daniels by hyppoletus clearly shows that christmas was celebrated in rome between 160 and 205, so just 15yrs after d death of John d apostle we have proof dat christmas had already been celebrated in rome long before.

JMAN05:


There is nothing devilish about a date, but why imitate pagans, and even using symbols wwhich bear pagan significance?

What pagan symbols please?

The last time I checked, the way I celebrate my december25th is different from anyone else own.

You can't name your sources. How pathetic. That's shamanism not scholarly efforts

Ubenedictus:


thanks be to God new advent catholic encyclopedia is not an authoritative source for doctrines or practices.

It is sometime prone to ignoring patrisic evidence or dismissing them outright.

First of all, that encyclopedia mention origen as source forgetting that origen was condemned severally by his bishops for holding heretic views and embracing platonic ideas that are not in line with christian doctrines and pronuced anathema in the council of constantinople.

It forgets that d easiest way to know d feast celebrated in rome is to check d pontifical libera, and that in 115 it is recorded that pope telesphorus added dat midnight mass should be celebrated before morning christmas mass. It dismisses the fact that all d manuscript of commentary of daniels by hyppoletus clearly shows that christmas was celebrated in rome between 160 and 205, so just 15yrs after d death of John d apostle we have proof dat christmas had already been celebrated in rome long before.

FrancisTony:

What pagan symbols please?

The last time I checked, the way I celebrate my december25th is different from anyone else own.

Providing interesting insights into this matter, New York Newsday of December 22, 1992, quoted John Mosley, who wrote the book The Christmas Star: “‘The early church leaders didn’t celebrate Christmas in December specifically to celebrate the birth of Christ,’ [Mosley] said. ‘It was their way of dealing with the winter solstice,’ the turning point of winter, when the sun stops its drift to the south and heads north again, bringing new light.

“Evidence for this is seen in the symbols of Christmas, Mosley said. Most obvious is the use of green plants, which symbolize life in a time of darkness and cold. ‘The most obvious green plant is the Christmas tree,’ he said. ‘And the northern Europeans celebrated the solstice in the forest; they worshiped trees. So the Christmas tree is really a throwback to tree worship in prehistoric times.’

“Also, Mosley said, ‘What do you put on the trees? Lights. Light recalls the Sun and symbolizes the Sun. It’s for the rebirth of the Sun and the return of light after the solstice. The main things involved in solstice celebrations everywhere are light and green plants.

“Dec. 25, he added, ‘was also the original date of the winter solstice, and many of the things we do now, and which we think are relatively modern Christmas customs, really trace their origins to the solstice celebrations.”

When we give or receive Christmas gifts, and hang green wreaths in our homes and Churches, how many of us know that we are probably observing pagan customs?" - The Externals of the Catholic Church.

vooks:
You can't name your sources. How pathetic. That's shamanism not scholarly efforts

clearly u are blind, did i no ref d libera and d commenary on daniel?

JMAN05:


Providing interesting insights into this matter, New York Newsday of December 22, 1992, quoted John Mosley, who wrote the book The Christmas Star: “‘The early church leaders didn’t celebrate Christmas in December specifically to celebrate the birth of Christ,’ [Mosley] said. ‘It was their way of dealing with the winter solstice,’ the turning point of winter, when the sun stops its drift to the south and heads north again, bringing new light.

“Evidence for this is seen in the symbols of Christmas, Mosley said. Most obvious is the use of green plants, which symbolize life in a time of darkness and cold. ‘The most obvious green plant is the Christmas tree,’ he said. ‘And the northern Europeans celebrated the solstice in the forest; they worshiped trees. So the Christmas tree is really a throwback to tree worship in prehistoric times.’

“Also, Mosley said, ‘What do you put on the trees? Lights. Light recalls the Sun and symbolizes the Sun. It’s for the rebirth of the Sun and the return of light after the solstice. The main things involved in solstice celebrations everywhere are light and green plants.

“Dec. 25, he added, ‘was also the original date of the winter solstice, and many of the things we do now, and which we think are relatively modern Christmas customs, really trace their origins to the solstice celebrations.”

When we give or receive Christmas gifts, and hang green wreaths in our homes and Churches, how many of us know that we are probably observing pagan customs?" - The Externals of the Catholic Church.

dis issues arise when pipo presume abou d early church leaders and refuse reading deir works

Paste your sources. And I don't speak stupid pidgin

Ubenedictus:


clearly u are blind, did i no ref d libera and d commenary on daniel?

Ubenedictus:


dis issues arise when pipo presume abou d early church leaders and refuse reading deir works

What do you mean?

vooks:

Paste your sources. And I don't speak stupid pidgin

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since you would like to read my sources, go to a good library around you and get this books.

Happy reading!
[i] Magdeburgenses, Cent. 2. c. 6.
Hospinian, De origine Festorum
Chirstianorum.


these can be found online.

[ii] Saint Hippolytus of
Rome, Commentary on Daniel.


[iii] Saint Augustine, De trinitate, 4, 5.

Seun, Ishilove, Lalasticlala, Obinoscopy etc

Tomorrow is Christmas. FrontPage pls, lets educate masses.