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Re: The Definition Of Self-existent by jayriginal: 9:40pm On Dec 19, 2014 |
Eternity is infinite (or eternal) according to DeepSight. I've said it before and others before me as well, that eternity is a logical conundrum. On one hand, you say eternity has no beginning or end, and at the other you say events are interpolated into eternity. Double dutch at best and a pitiful fallacy. 1 Like |
Re: The Definition Of Self-existent by DeepSight(m): 3:56pm On Jan 02, 2015 |
plaetton: I have not had time to return here. I will as soon as I can. But one quick comment on the bold is this - if indeed this is the principle that stands - namely - that change is constant - then you can see clearly that whereas change constantly occurs, the principle that change is constant does not change. That principle remains immutable, eternal. This is why I said that whatever is, is. We are having a discussion at the level of principles of eternity but unfortunately you are, in your assessment, locked into the finite. This is why I said that God is immutable. Because at that level, we speak of adamantine principles. Will revert later... if needed. Happy New year... 1 Like |
Re: The Definition Of Self-existent by Joshthefirst(m): 4:51pm On Jan 02, 2015 |
plaetton:This might be deemed off-track, but it is your post that calls upon me for address. When God is said to be immutable by someone like myself, as you implied, I mean he is immutable in the nature of his character. I mean his Character and Judgements do not change for anybody, anything. His "nature"(not his energetics in this case) is constant and eternal. God's power is active in creation as we're taught, and as we logically deduce. His very power is what makes up the laws of the universe and sustains those laws. He himself upholds the uniformity of directed change in our universe. He is the "unchangeable" changer. "Unchangeable in this case is not referring to energetics. I believe God is not just energy. I believe he is the source of energy. I am not a materialist. I believe in God has "consciousness" behind his nature and energy. It is this consciousness that directs himself of himself. It is this consciousness that is self-existent with his energy of himself. Infinite. Consciousness is above matter, not confined to it. So you are wrong as usual. My main point if you feel too perplexed by many words is that with reference to the bolded, God upholds those laws of the universe. He is the source of those laws. He makes the laws, the laws do not make him. (Edited) |
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