Peppyluv:
Go to hell!

see you there

chai. ..y una dey follow these ignorant, lost, confused people dey argue biko??
I belive in one holy, Catholic and apostolic church, a miracle on itself.God is a mystery, and if in His infinite goodness has given us a glimpse of his divinity through d church. .who are we to question him

one thing is certain, u cant understand d ways of God once u do then its no longer supernatural. .wether u admit it or not,there is something divine about the Catholic church, and only wen u stop criticising would u see it, try and be neutral and observe. .the mother church is a manifestation of God himself in all his magnificent glory!!!

I am deeply rooted in d faith, a fanatic if u would prefer and I experience God everyday @mass...I am fulfilled, wuldnt trade d faith for life itself!!

herald9:


Even Jesus paid tight sir...but that's not my business.

it is ur business because dats what pastors are interested in instead of preaching how members souls can be saved. It is always miracles, prosperity, breakthrough bla bla bla. Is dat what Jesus Christ sent dem?

chisombenedicta:
sure it is in the bible,dont be too quick to judge..open ur bible to luke 1:28,luke 1:42

who am I to judge dear sis? I believe there's a difference between judging and probing for answers by asking questions, which is exactly what I did.
By the way, your answer up there didn't quite do justice to my question.

Jesus never instructed us to pray to or through Mary, did he? As is with the catholic doctrine?
And why ask Mary to pray for you

Youngsage:

who am I to judge dear sis? I believe there's a difference between judging and probing for answers by asking questions, which is exactly what I did.
By the way, your answer up there didn't quite do justice to my question.
Jesus never instructed us to pray to or through Mary, did he? As is with the catholic doctrine?
And why ask Mary to pray for you

dem don 4get hw to pray na.....

titoetal:


If you are talking of condemnation and when I said "We", I meant the Catholic church and it teaches that God is for all humans and not the God of Catholics. Niether can I be holier than the Pope and as examplified by each Pope by visiting and praying with all faiths. As an individual, I will treat you as a human first but if you attack my faith and believe, I will try to make you see reason why I stood where I am but most atimes, I do wish you see the individuality in me first.
It is true no man is perfect but there are good people in different faiths being practiced in the world. Will God refuse to accept them because they are not Protestants or Catholics, Lutherans, Moslems, Hindus, Judasim and what have you?
Dear, we have more better things to do than these arguments to make the world a better place. In your little world (your environment), be the Light and the one to be trusted. In summary, be the Truth.

Peace be with you.

Same message I was trying to tell a Catholic friend the other day. God's grace sir.

You claim that our divine Lord did not instruct us to pray to our blessed mother, Mary. I ask you, how come we have the bible when Christ specifically instructed that we should "do this in memory of me" and not write this. You are a bible alone christian, Show me from the scriptures where Christ said we should write the scriptures in His memory. For your information, Catholics do not pray to Mary but ask for her intercession because the prayers of a righteous man availeth much. We ask for her intercession just the way you run to your pastors to pray for you. I prefer to ask for her intercesssion than to ask someone that i am not sure will make heaven to intercede for me.

crudedude:

Same message I was trying to tell a Catholic friend the other day. God's grace sir.

Dear thanks so much, and remain blessed. Meanwhile, lets keep praying for our nation on the face of this terror, the helpless citizens whose lives are being destroyed. I am pained on what is happening to our nation and prays that God will touch those who needs to speak out to end this blood shed.

May the Lord have mercy on us.

titoetal:


Dear thanks so much, and remain blessed. Meanwhile, lets keep praying for our nation on the face of this terror, the helpless citizens whose lives are being destroyed. I am pained on what is happening to our nation and prays that God will touch those who needs to speak out to end this blood shed.

May the Lord have mercy on us.

Amen and amen

The Roman Catholic Church is not Christian.

Catholic precepts contradicts the bible repeatedly. Nowadays, it can be heard that the Catholic Church gave us the bible--but she actually burned bibles as well as them that translated and believed in the bible, {such as William Tyndale}
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEu2N3o3SzQ
Rome is full of Heresies {e.g. the mass--many died for not believing this}

She the catholic Church has killed multitudes of Christians.
She has maintained her blasphemous reign as the so called "by force and deception-not by the truth of the bible {Which She publicly railed against}
The bible reveals who Rome is, and is therefore dangerous to her, why is she posing as a Christian Church?
False religion is a money maker.

No wonder the pentecostal prosperity preachers have join up with Rome, they are all from the same Church.
Both Churches are stealing tithes and offerings from each other.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGIQfV1PR-A

The Catholic Church doctrines/teachings have enabled her to collect wealth, delicacies, adoration and power for centuries on end.

Her doctrines are made up stories consisting of various elements and superstitions and pasted together with some bible name's.

The Roman Catholic Church speaks of Christ, its is speaking of its own invention, not the true Christ.
This is why her doctrines are diametrically opposed to the bible, they have been made up over centuries of time.

"One" the bible speaks of people who preach another Jesus "2 Corinthians 11:4 "For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you may well put up with it.

Scary to even think, even the elect in the pentecostal Churches could have another Spirit, of that different doctrine, preaching another Jesus, Rome fits into this same category..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWS0ePXeq24

Annypie:
chai. ..y una dey follow these ignorant, lost, confused people dey argue biko??
I belive in one holy, Catholic and apostolic church, a miracle on itself.God is a mystery, and if in His infinite goodness has given us a glimpse of his divinity through d church. .who are we to question him

one thing is certain, u cant understand d ways of God once u do then its no longer supernatural. .wether u admit it or not,there is something divine about the Catholic church, and only wen u stop criticising would u see it, try and be neutral and observe. .the mother church is a manifestation of God himself in all his magnificent glory!!!

I am deeply rooted in d faith, a fanatic if u would prefer and I experience God everyday @mass...I am fulfilled, wuldnt trade d faith for life itself!!

AND THE IGNORANT PEOPLE ARE?

Onosatalese:
You claim that our divine Lord did not instruct us to pray to our blessed mother, Mary. I ask you, how come we have the bible when Christ specifically instructed that we should "do this in memory of me" and not write this. You are a bible alone christian, Show me from the scriptures where Christ said we should write the scriptures in His memory. For your information, Catholics do not pray to Mary but ask for her intercession because the prayers of a righteous man availeth much. We ask for her intercession just the way you run to your pastors to pray for you. I prefer to ask for her intercesssion than to ask someone that i am not sure will make heaven to intercede for me.

The only intercessor we have is Jesus Christ,you didn't know?

The evil they speak against the Catholic Church makes me love the Church even more. No matter what they say it is Catholic Church all the way

Deuteronomy 5:6-13, I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the House of bondage.

"You shall have no other God's before Me. "You shall not make yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in Heaven above. {Already you have made carved images of Jesus and Mary}.

"You shall not bow down to them all serve them.
{I have seen it myself you either bow down, nod, even light incense or candles at the feet of each statue}

You shall not take the Lord your God in Vain, {and yet the Catholic's believe they are the true Church}

Obverse the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the lord your God commanded you.
Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day the Sabbath of the Lord your God, in it you shall not work.

{And the Church had Change the Sabbath day Saturday into a Sunday}

Doctrines of the pagan sun God, and the Catholic doctrines are no different.
The nativity of the sun, the birth of Tammuz Dec 25th.

{Catholic's The nativity of Jesus or Christmas is held Dec 25th}

2 The midsummer festival of the Pagan was held every year on June 24th.

{Catholic's The nativity of St John is held every year on June 24th}

3 The assumption of semiramus who became the Mother goddess of the pagans.

{The assumption of Mary, who became the mother God to all Catholic's}

4 The Mother goddess was given a title, and worshipped as Queen of Heaven-Jeremiah 7:18 The women gather wood the fathers kindle the fire and the women knead their dough, to make cakes for the Queen of heaven; and they poured out drink offerings to other gods, that they provoke Me to anger.

{The Virgin Mary is given the title and worshipped as the Queen of heaven by Catholic's}

4a Queen of heaven is wrath subdues of the pagan god. {Mary Queen of heaven subdues to the wrath of Christ and His Father against sinners}

5 Cakes decorated to the goddess, Jeremiah 44: 17-19, "But we will certainly do whatever has gone out of your own mouth, to burn incense to the Queen of Heaven and pour out a drink offerings to her, V 19 The women also said: " And when we burn incense to the Queen of Heaven and poured out a drink offerings to her, did we make cakes for her.

{Hot cross buns are baked for Mary in most C.Churches}

6 Pagans believe in the doctrine of purgatory.{Catholic's believe in the doctrine of purgatory}

7 Burning incense and candles Jeremiah 11:17 "For the Lord of hosts, who planted you, has pronounced doom against you for the evil of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done against themselves to provoke Me to anger in offering incense to Baal.

{Rome as well as every Church burns incense and candles in their masses}


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCF742DyM98

FrancisTony:
Okay! This is an excerpt from herald9's comment.
He made it on a thread, and I extracted the one that's relevant to the thread and answered, inorder not to derail. But, I decided to create this thread and explain the others for him.

https://www.nairaland.com/2047953/december25th-bible/1#28984621


Luke1:10- And the whole multitude of the people was praying outside at the hour of incense.

Exodus30: 34-37
34. And the LORD said to Moses: Take sweet spices, stacte and onycha and galbanum, and pure frankincese with these sweet spices; there shall be equal amounts of each.
35. "You shall make of these an incense, a compound according to the art of the perfumer, salted, pure and holy.
36 "And you shall beat some of it before the testimony in the tabernacle of meeting where I will meet with you. It shall be most holy to you.
37. "But as for the incense which you shall make, you shall not make any for yourselves, according to its composition. It shall be to you holy for the LORD.

So brother, tell me how this is a pagans tradition?. Only protestants who are not practising it, that should be accused from deviating away in what the Lord our God has told us to obey.


Proverb 15:8- The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD,
But the prayer of the uprights is His delight.

^^^it goes that show that the prayer of wicked ones isn't acceptable in the eyes of our LORD GOD. So, who would do that?


Number21:8-9
8. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and it shall be that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, shall live.
9. So Moses made a bronze serpent, and put it on a pole; and so it was, if a serpent had bitten anyone, when he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived.

Exodus25:17-20
17. "You shall make a mercy seat of pure gold; two and a half cubits shall be its length and a cubit and a half its width.
18. "And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work you shall make them at the two ends of the mercy seat.
19. "Make one cherub at one end, and the other cherub at the other end; you shall make the cherubim at the two ends of it of one piece with the mercy seat.
20. "And the cherubim shall stretch out their wings above, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and they shall face one another; the faces of the cherubim shall be toward the mercy seat.

Act19:11-12
11. Now God worked unusual miracles by the hands of Paul,
12 So that even handkerchiefs or aprons were brought from his body to the sick, and the diseases left them and the evil spirits went out of them.


Who adores cross? You mean your Church? My Church doesn't.
Or could you clarify what you mean by it?


At underlined, really? Provide a biblical proof, biko?

At emboldened, Matthew5:17 Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets, I didn't come to destroy but to fufill.

Glory to Jesus,
Honour to Mary.

FrancisTony:


So, your point is that we should abandon it because it was done in the old testament?

Why not abandon YAHWEH too, and worship a new god. Probably, you could choose from Sol invictus, Ashtoreth, Aphrodite, Venus etc

Should the law related to tithe be added since it also belong to Old Testament ?

TWO DIFFERENT PETERS.

pweetyz:
Herald9..i typed a really intelligent reply to you buh it was stolen away by network probs and i'm too lazy to re-type

bdw..if you call catholics pagans..do you also imply that the pope saint Peter who was so loved by Jesus christ is a pagan??

Youngsage:

i didn't ask you anything about the bolded.

Did Jesus Christ ask you to pray with the rosary always, or did He or any of his disciples pray with it? Yes or No? Present your Biblical backings.

So, your 'virgin mary' visited three children,gave them your rosary and told them to pray 'Hail Mary?! Hilarious!

What gospel was that visit recorded?

Another story you have been made to believe. *sighs*

Who is Fatima anyway?

Did Jesus Christ asked you to be on Nairaland



Did he ask you to go to church



What about worshipping in truth and in spirit Is that what you pastor teaches you apart from "Thou shall not die" and I wonders if he has the. forbidden fruit...

[quote author=herald9 post=29071679]

I pray cause Jesus prayed ...I sing cause the disciples sang....and they are all recorded in the Bible.
But Jesus didn't use incense while praying...neither his disciples... So if you can't answer my questions... just read along and get wisdom [/quote]



I guess Jesus also registered on Nairaland

safarigirl:
lol....in my opinion. I do have a couple of issues with their doctrines, but it's none of what herald9 raised

You lives in glass hauz,,, don't throw stone!!!




If there's any church on earth that is perfect and close to God and sample the kind of church Christ would attend if he gat the chance –It's Catholic Church!!!...


We're all one in the body of Christ as A Catholic or as Protestant...



What matters is —Worshipping The True God In Truth And In Spirit... That's all the doctrines are there for...



Do you believe a non Christian can and are going to make heaven while some so called catholic and protestants will be the lake of hell

It's a proven fact the Catholic Church isn't the Church Christ would attend too, matter of fact the Catholic's have rejected Christ in worship and praise.
I have a video showing live footage who the Catholic's truly worship and it isn't Christ.
This will blow your mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUN-XEU6HUc

BiafranAvatar:




You lives in glass hauz,,, don't throw stone!!!




If there's any church on earth that is perfect and close to God and sample the kind of church Christ would attend if he gat the chance –It's Catholic Church!!!...


We're all one in the body of Christ as A Catholic or as Protestant...



What matters is —Worshipping The True God In Truth And In Spirit... That's all the doctrines are there for...



Do you believe a non Christian can and are going to make heaven while some so called catholic and protestants will be the lake of hell

Brocab you try. Another Hollywood movie. The Catholic Church has faced attack and aggression from the devil, from humans possessed by the demons, from islamists and pagans, from within and without and God still keeps it strong for ages uncountable and the Catholic Church shall remain in secula seculorum till the second coming of Christ. If you are looking for converts to your church u can start from the middle east or North East Nigeria.

Try this for size if you are willing, to hear a story about a young 8 year old girl who was in Church being prayed over, later she was found lying on the churches floor, and the Lord had appeared to her, in a vision, He had then taken her spirit with Him to see heaven and hell.
While she was with the Lord, after seeing the most beautiful places in heaven-the Lord decided to take her to a room to meet Mother Mary. As Jesus had presented the young girl to Mary, the 8 year old had notice Mary crying, when she asked why, Mary told her she was crying for the people on earth. She explained her feelings, and gave the little girl a message to bring back with her to tell it to her people. The little girl had given her testimony, and later someone had made a video about her ordeal so the people can understand her message quite clearly.
This video has given me a more en-site about the Catholic Church, actually it's given me a boost, and with all the studying I have done, it has given me more of a future where I stand with Christ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VZHGQzxlT0

tommysparks:
Brocab you try. Another Hollywood movie. The Catholic Church has faced attack and aggression from the devil, from humans possessed by the demons, from islamists and pagans, from within and without and God still keeps it strong for ages uncountable and the Catholic Church shall remain in secula seculorum till the second coming of Christ. If you are looking for converts to your church u can start from the middle east or North East Nigeria.

Brocab Your video is part two of another Hollywood movie. Is it Jehova or Jesus Christ that she saw? 2. She saw Mary crying in heaven but the Bible tells us that in heaven there is no sorrow nor pain, So continue and give us part 3 of your Hollywood series

I am not expecting you to believe, but it was Jesus whom she had seen.
I have no dealt that Jesus doesn't cry for His people on earth from heaven, He is God, who came to earth in a human body.
Jesus wept over Lazarus, {John 11:32-34} he also wept before He drew near to Jerusalem, {Luke 19:41} we recognise Jesus as God, who became a man was crucified and rose from the dead, and of course He returned back to heaven. Because we believe Jesus is God {John 10:30} then every time Jesus wept, God wept. God returned to earth in a human form, Jesus cried to God the Father saying why have you forsaken Me, did God turn His back on Jesus because of our sins?
This was always part of God's plans to offer a prefect sacrifice to save those who would believe in Jesus.
So was God crying when Jesus died? Well we don't know--But after Jesus was baptised by John, God said behold this is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
As a father I would cry for my son if he was {Murdered} crucified like Jesus.

I would love to hear a JW give his testimony, or maybe a vision or a dream or a prophesy the Lord had given Him/Her.
In the last day's the lord said He will pour out His Spirit and your sons and your daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, and your old men will dream dreams.
If you choose not to believe in the you tube channels the JW's use, that's your problem, tell them they are Hollywood movies.
If that's the case then everything the JW's have to offer isn't real.

tommysparks:
Brocab Your video is part two of another Hollywood movie. Is it Jehova or Jesus Christ that she saw? 2. She saw Mary crying in heaven but the Bible tells us that in heaven there is no sorrow nor pain, So continue and give us part 3 of your Hollywood series

Jesus wept when he was on earth, and not in heaven, and your video says Mary was weeping in heaven and the Bible says in heaven there is no weeping nor sorrow. So tell me about Mary crying sorrowfully in heaven.

Good point. But I have a question for you, In the video Mary asked the child to past on Her message to the people. What amazes me the Catholic's all over the world believes a statue of Mary can weep, but "you" yourself can't believe Mary can weep in Heaven?
Revelation 21:4 "I will wipe every tear from their eye's, there will be no more death, neither sorrow nor crying, neither shall be no-more pain, for the former things have passed away.
After we die, we no-longer suffer the above-nor did Jesus suffer after He was crucified
Is God the only One in heaven who shows His wrath {Anger} Does He do it' only because He loves His own creation, and those who disobey His commandments?
Anger in the flesh can cause pain, grief, trouble, sorrow,death, tears, crying, fear, torment, as we know it, and if we act on anger it's a Sin.
And yet God acts on His anger, of course in a larger scale, {which courses pain towards His people} Does He do it because He loves us, like a Father loves His Son. does He show His anger in righteousness having no Sin, He punishes the disobedient, because He loves us.
But for us individuals once we are in heaven, we are no-longer in the flesh, we don't suffer the things of the flesh.
After all Jesus does teach us these things while we live on earth, love God and love your neighbour as yourselves.
So without sufferings, we still can hang on the good things of life?
Love God with all your heart, and love your neighbour as yourselves.
With all the lord's teachings until now-I am sure He is training us for the big day, and every time we are showing our feelings our love and all our emotions towards Him, "He shares His feelings and emotions and love with us in return.
So when I see this Child's testimony, without dealt, when she had seen Mary, they were both in the Spirit, {And when we read through the scriptures we can see that the Holy Spirit has feelings and emotions, same as God, and His Son Jesus? All 3 are one mind one Spirit}
In the video Jesus never left her side, Jesus had taken her into heaven and hell, He wanted the Child to tell His people He is coming shortly.
The little girl said Jesus took her to meet Mary, she said Mary was looking towards the earth, the girl said Mary looked sad, she said Mary was weeping, so obviously the young girl would have felt emotions coming from Mary.{Emotions can mean sorrow, joy, anger, fear} That can only come from One Spirit. Don't forget we are connected to that One Spirit, so the little girl wasn't just feeling Mary's emotions she was feeling God the Father and Jesus too. One Spirit.
Mary asked the young girl to tell the people a message to the nations. {As she did}
And what is amazing the Catholic's can believe statues shed tears and blood, but when someone had experienced standing before God, no-one wants to accept that.

tommysparks:
Jesus wept when he was on earth, and not in heaven, and your video says Mary was weeping in heaven and the Bible says in heaven there is no weeping nor sorrow. So tell me about Mary crying sorrowfully in heaven.

Catholicism have been living in sin they know well about for centuries now,worshiping God with images is a sin...the bible clearly state ''do not make for urselves any graven images to the likeness of anything above,on or beneath the Earth,for I am a jealouse God'' therefore making images of Jesus and Mary that nobody had a true picture of is a very big sin and challenging the power and words of God...

Jimmyo3:
Catholicism have been living in
sin they know well about for
centuries now,worshiping God
with images is a sin...the bible
clearly state ''do not make for
urselves any graven images to
the likeness of anything
above,on or beneath the
Earth,for I am a jealouse God''
therefore making images of
Jesus and Mary that nobody had
a true picture of is a very big sin
and challenging the power and
words of God...

the same Bible said they should make an image of the ark with two angels, t cherubim and seraphim. All were graven images of things in heaven. Explain that to me?

After Jesus came and gone, images aren't needed any more.
Before the Holy Spirit would meet the high priest in the clambers. Jesus had changed those old ways-He sacrifice Himself to save us. As soon as Jesus was crucified, the Spirit of God had left the temple, where He would meet Aaron the high priest that year.
These old ways have changed, and the Spirit of God lives inside every man who chooses to believe.
Jesus had changed the law' we don't need the images, the Lord had given us His Spirit to remind us who Christ is everyday.