8 Dec 2008, 0206 hrs IST, Roana Maria Costa & Mohammed Wajihuddin, TNN
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Muslims_denounce_Mumbai_attackers_as_enemy_of_Islam/articleshow/3805727.cms

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MUMBAI: Outraged at the recent terrorist attacks on Mumbai and terrorists who have painted a distorted image of Muslims in the name of Islam, 
hundreds of Muslim men, women and children publicly denounced all the killers of innocents as enemies of Islam on Sunday. The protesters, which included several members from Bollywood, also said that the enemies of India were enemies of Muslims too.

On Sunday afternoon, a silent march of the Muslims started from the CST station, one of the places the terrorists had chosen to create mayhem on 26/11, winding its way through Churchgate to the sea-front near the Oberoi-Trident. Similar protest walks, condemning terrorist outfits like the Al Qaeda, Taliban, ISI, LeT and SIMI and Huji were simultaneously held in cities like Bangalore, Ahmedabad, Indore, Hyderabad and Delhi.

"We disown and denounce all those who kill in the name of Jihad. Terrorists are fascists and enemies of Muslims since Islam doesn't preach killing of innocents," said poet-lyricist Javed Akhtar.

Akhtar said 26/11 attacks were unprecedented and were attacks on the dignity of the country. "Fascists are those who distort religion. There are bad elements in all religions. On 26\11 they didn't just place bombs and run, they entered our buildings, killed people and held hostages. No religion preaches killing of innocents," he said.

26\11 has changed the psyche of Indians, he said. "For the first time I've seen tears in so many eyes, people with so much grief," he said.

Perhaps for the first time liberal Muslims were joined by the clerics coming from organisations like Jamiat-ul-Ulema in expressing their anger against the terror outfits who have hijacked Islam. Actor-TV anchor Javed Jaffri said the Muslims had to speak out openly because after all it's Islam which is being maligned. "There is nothing called Islamic terrorists. Islam is being misinterpreted by some groups. They kill people in the name of jihad. A religion which asks its members to greet each other with Assalamu Alaikum (peace be with you) could never sanction killing of innocents," he said.

The rally walked the streets of Mumbai through DN Road, Hutatma chowk, passed by Churchgate station and ended near the Oberoi- Trident. Slogans like " Killers of innocents are enemies of Islam", "Our motherland's enemies are our enemies ", "Declare Pakistan a terrorist state" and "Close terrorists camps at once" were some of the slogans which screamed out from banners and placards.

Javed Anand of Muslims for Secular Democracy (MSD), the man who had galvanised several groups and individuals for the Sunday's peace march, said that for too long the terrorists had exploited the name of Islam and it is the duty of every Muslim to call the bluff of individuals and organisations who spread terror and violence in the name of Islam.

Actor Farooq Sheikh voiced similar opinions. "Terrorists are Muslims' number one enemy," he said.

Ad-man and activist Alyque Padamsee, who was instrumental in getting the famous Deoband fatwa against terrorism a couple of months ago, said there were two kinds of Muslims: Real Muslims and fake Muslims. "Terrorists are fake Muslims while peace-loving tolerant Muslims are real Muslims," he said. "99.9% of Indian Muslims believe the Quran which says killing of the innocents is wrong. Those who don't believe it are naqli (fake) Muslims," he said. "Committing suicide is a sin in Islam, so how can a suicide bomber believe he would go to Jannat (paradise)," he said.

What more do you want Muslims to say?

auwal87:

What more do you want Muslims to say?

I hope you will not openly deny this group when it suits you.See the highlighted part and if you agree with their stance, then that is the Islam the world yearns for.
The tolerant Islam where the swords are sheathed
Do you really agree with them?
If you do then our campaign is working
you are the type of Muslims we pray for.

Perhaps for the first time liberal Muslims were joined by the clerics coming from organisations like Jamiat-ul-Ulema in expressing their anger against the terror outfits who have hijacked Islam. Actor-TV anchor Javed Jaffri said the Muslims had to speak out openly because after all it's Islam which is being maligned. "There is nothing called Islamic terrorists. Islam is being misinterpreted by some groups. They kill people in the name of jihad. A religion which asks its members to greet each other with Assalamu Alaikum (peace be with you) could never sanction killing of innocents," he said.

The rally walked the streets of Mumbai through DN Road, Hutatma chowk, passed by Churchgate station and ended near the Oberoi- Trident. Slogans like " Killers of innocents are enemies of Islam", "Our motherland's enemies are our enemies ", "Declare Pakistan a terrorist state" and "Close terrorists camps at once" were some of the slogans which screamed out from banners and placards.

Javed Anand of Muslims for Secular Democracy (MSD), the man who had galvanised several groups and individuals for the Sunday's peace march, said that for too long the terrorists had exploited the name of Islam and it is the duty of every Muslim to call the bluff of individuals and organisations who spread terror and violence in the name of Islam.

Actor Farooq Sheikh voiced similar opinions. "Terrorists are Muslims' number one enemy," he said.

Ad-man and activist Alyque Padamsee, who was instrumental in getting the famous Deoband fatwa against terrorism a couple of months ago, said there were two kinds of Muslims: Real Muslims and fake Muslims. "Terrorists are fake Muslims while peace-loving tolerant Muslims are real Muslims," he said. "99.9% of Indian Muslims believe the Quran which says killing of the innocents is wrong. Those who don't believe it are naqli (fake) Muslims," he said. "Committing suicide is a sin in Islam, so how can a suicide bomber believe he would go to Jannat (paradise),"

I hope this is true.
It will be hope for the world and a much needed departure from the norm.
This will present islam as the religion of peace in reality.

The Question is, Do you hear this report from the Western Media?

They won't report it because it is carrying the Message of Real Muslims (not anti-Islam).

I bet the whole world would have heard if they were carrying banners saying "Down with Israel" or "Down with America" etc.

Where is the truth hiding?

Fact is i dont think islam should wait for the western media to project its message, theres already a bias so i thing you guys should use evey medium available to you( including the very popular al-jazeera), newspapers, conferences, symposia, anything so that the message of hate can be expunged from the minds of those who minds are already poisoned by it.

@ reindeer,

Are you that sincere? Very good of you.

Here we go again, does anyone understand what Islam means when it says that "Islam forbids the killing of the innocent"?  This is meant to deceive the secular, evolutionists world but for discerning Christians we should not lower our guard because this is another form of altaquiyya.

What the Muslims and the Qur'an means by the saying "killing of innocents is wrong" is that they only see Muslims as being innocent and if you are not a Muslim you are not considered to be innocent, no matter how friendly they may be, that is why they would not hesitate to kill and maim whoever is not a Muslim, especially Jews and Christians.

This march or protest is just meant as a smokescreen, to paint their religion in a good light to the secular media who do not know any different.  When they tell the media that Islam is a peaceful religion, what they mean is that it is only peaceful to Muslims.  When they say that Allah is the loving One, what it means is that Allah only loves you if you are a Muslim but would not hesitate to deceive you into hell if you are an unbeliever.

Do not be deceived.  Read between the lines and read their lips simultaneously.

Islam is never shy about what it means. Read Surah Mariam and learn about the truth and straight forwardness of this noble Book. For you to think that islam is deceiving your Christian mind is a thinking from the abyss of hypocracy. Islam does not state that muslims are the only innocent people and the rest is not.

Just like hypocracy in Islam is worse than disbelief which is not Islam, evil doers in Islam are worse than good doers who are not believers. The Islam should have bar away the believer from evil doing; like mass killing. There is no justification for indiscriminating killing.

Allah says revenge should not be more than the offence. But it could be less or could be forgiven and overlooked, completely!

This is not crusade or the other cluster bombing spree.

@OLAADEGBU

I think that reply by olabowale is very informative and could satisfy your rather confusion.


@ olabowale,

May Allah bless you. You really have been doing great up here. More grease to your elbow.

@olabowale,

You can practice all the altaquiyya you want you cannot deceive me.  We are aware if you must know that the Koran describes Allah as the best deceiver there is, a liar who is not above using the same evil and wicked schemes of his opponents.  Before you start another Jihad lets see what your holy book says about Allah: The Qur'an calls Allah a makr, in fact the best makr there is:

But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)! S. 3:54; cf. 8:30

There are other places in the Qur'an that identifies Allah as a makr such as:

Are they then secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's scheme (makra Allahi) save folk that perish. S. 7:99 Pickthall

So they schemed a scheme: and We schemed a scheme (Wamakaroo makran wamakarna makran), while they perceived not. S. 27:50

There are many passages in the Qur'an like these that teaches its adherents in the game of deception just as you see the propagators of the religion does.  Who is deceiving who?

@Olaadegbu: « #9 on: Today at 05:48:59 PM »

@olabowale,

You can practice all the altaquiyya you want you cannot deceive me. We are aware if you must know that the Koran describes Allah as the best deceiver there is, a liar who is not above using the same evil and wicked schemes of his opponents. Before you start another Jihad lets see what your holy book says about Allah: The Koran calls Allah a makr, in fact the best makr there is:

I will now, InshaAllah expose your deceit. (If I was not born by a woman who is a former Christian and never went to Christian school and married to Christian woman, I would never have known enough about Christianity. Except what I hear from the outside. But thank Allah. My case is not exactly like yours when it comes to your knowledge of Islam).

But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)! S. 3:54; cf. 8:30

The meaning of Wa makaru wa makaruLlah. Wa Lahu khayrul makiriin. Wa is And. Makaru is plan or plot. Wa is And. MakaruLlah is Allah plans or plots. Wa is And. Lahu is Allah. Khayrul is best. Makiriin is Planners of Plotters. So what you have done is to substitute plot or plan for your owns device, a play on word which in this case "deceptive, deceivers!

So Olaadegbu your lying heart stinks because the verse means: And they plot and Allah plots. And Allah is the best of Plotters.

There are other places in the Koran that identifies Allah as a makr such as:

Makr is plot or plan. The word does not mean deceive. The word deceive in Arabic is khaada' (Verse 9 of Surah Baqarah will show you the word "deceive" in arabia and it is not Makr. Makr is plot or plan).

Are they then secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's scheme (makra Allahi) save folk that perish. S. 7:99 Pickthall

Plan is like the proper word here, because Islam believes that Allah is the Only One who no one can be secured from.

So they schemed a scheme: and We schemed a scheme (Wamakaroo makran wamakarna makran), while they perceived not. S. 27:50

Makr is plot or plan. Scheme or deceive is Khaada'

There are many passages in the Koran like these that teaches its adherents in the game of deception just as you see the propagators of the religion does. Who is deceiving who?

You are the deceiver, who is not telling the truth; Khaada'

Since I am a Yoruba boy, it is easy for me to call you Omo Yoruba. Oje man. (Thats ol school stuff).

OLAADEGBU:

@olabowale,

You can practice all the altaquiyya you want you cannot deceive me.  We are aware if you must know that the Koran describes Allah as the best deceiver there is, a liar who is not above using the same evil and wicked schemes of his opponents.  Before you start another Jihad lets see what your holy book says about Allah: The Koran calls Allah a makr, in fact the best makr there is:

But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)! S. 3:54; cf. 8:30

There are other places in the Koran that identifies Allah as a makr such as:

Are they then secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's scheme (makra Allahi) save folk that perish. S. 7:99 Pickthall

So they schemed a scheme: and We schemed a scheme (Wamakaroo makran wamakarna makran), while they perceived not. S. 27:50

There are many passages in the Koran like these that teaches its adherents in the game of deception just as you see the propagators of the religion does. Who is deceiving who?

Bobo yi, wa ma yi iwe sha? Ole.

allah get game too?
419

And in all of your years in Obodo america; you still manage not to severe your heart from 419, woman?

You got game, gurl! Yours is like "pay to play!" You seem to be a pal of Illinois's governor; Blagojevich! Gurl! Boi! lol. Haha. The simpsons.

I'm highly stunned by your responses, olabowale. May Allah continue guding your and our path, amin. Keep it up!

I can't think of any better response than that.

olabowale:

@Olaadegbu: « #9 on: Today at 05:48:59 PM »
I will now, InshaAllah expose your deceit. (If I was not born by a woman who is a former Christian and never went to Christian school and married to Christian woman, I would never have known enough about Christianity. Except what I hear from the outside. But thank Allah. My case is not exactly like yours when it comes to your knowledge of Islam).

A genuine believer in Christ will not marry an unbeliever and this disqualifies and renders your knowledge of what you think Christianity is all about. 

olabowale:

@Olaadegbu: « #9 on: Today at 05:48:59 PM »
The meaning of Wa makaru wa makaruLlah. Wa Lahu khayrul makiriin. Wa is And. Makaru is plan or plot. Wa is And. MakaruLlah is Allah plans or plots. Wa is And. Lahu is Allah. Khayrul is best. Makiriin is Planners of Plotters. So what you have done is to substitute plot or plan for your owns device, a play on word which in this case "deceptive, deceivers!

The difference between to plot and to deceive is the difference between a cup half empty and a cup half full.
You know quite well that the Coup plotters or planners during the military regime in Nigeria did not particularly get much sympathy when their plan or plots were exposed.  So you see that after all the linguistic gymnastics and semantics all it appears to be is smokescreen. 

The word for deception/deceiver/scheme is makr.  The lexical sources define the term as:
Miim-Kaf-Ra = To practice deceit or guile or circumvention, practice evasion or elusion, to plot, to exercise art or craft or cunning, act with policy, practice stratagem.

makara vb. (1)
perf. act. 3:54, 3:54, 7:123, 13:42, 14:46, 16:26, 16:45, 27:50, 40:45, 71:22
impf. act. 6:123, 6:123, 6:124, 8:30, 8:30, 8:30, 10:21, 12:102, 16:127, 27:70, 35:10
n.vb. 7:99, 7:99, 7:123, 10:21, 10:21, 12:31, 13:33, 13:42, 14:46, 14:46, 14:46, 27:50, 27:50, 27:51, 34:33, 35:10, 35:43, 35:43, 71:22
pcple. act. 3:54, 8:30

LL, V7, p: 256

And:
He practised Deceit, Guile, or Circumvention, desiring to do another a foul, an abominable, or an evil action, clandestinely or without his knowing whence it proceeded.
(Sourced from Lane’s Arabic-English Lexicon; )

This is how your Arabic scholars have explained and translated the word Makr and I will not be surprised if you disown them as one of your own.  The challenge is now in your court to dare to pick up your Qur'an and the Lexicon above and do your own personal study instead of allowing your destiny to be determined by others who have nowhere they are going.

Who is the translator of the lexicology book, or source? Could it be an orientalist? Look, I aught to know Islam more than an orientalist, including John Esposito!

Islam is many generations in my blood. And I have practiced Islam for over 50 years! Now, Miim Kaf ra; is covering up, hiding the truth because of personal desire or arrogance or pride of speaking the truth. Makr does not appear anywhere is Miim Kaf Ra! Show it to us, if you know.

Ola ade gbu, can never pass for Ola bo wale! Oje man.

olabowale:

Who is the translator of the lexicology book, or source? Could it be an orientalist? Look, I aught to know Islam more than an orientalist, including John Esposito!

As if I knew that you will come up with the notion that the Lexicons are bias or not Islamic enough, notice what a Muslim scholar Dr. Mahmoud M. Ayoub says when he asks,

"how the word [i]makr (scheming or plotting), which implies deceitfulness or dishonesty, could be attributed to God."[/i] (The Qur'an and Its Interpreters – The House of Imran [State University of New York Press [SUNY], Albany 1992], Volume II, p. 165

After listing several Muslim sources he quotes a renowned Muslim expositor named ar-Razi who wrote that,

"scheming (makr) is actually an act of deception aiming at causing evil. It is not possible to attribute deception to God. Thus the word is one of the muttashabihat [multivalent words of the Qur'an]." (Ibid., p. 166

Unfortunately for ar-Razi, the Qur'an attributes deception to Allah since it identifies him as the best makr there is.

Ayoub also sources one Muslim who actually boasted of Allah being the best conniver/deceiver/schemer etc.,

"Qurtubi observes that some scholars have considered the words ‘best of schemers’ to be one of God’s beautiful names.  Thus one would pray, ‘O Best of Schemers, scheme for me!’ Qurtubi also reports that the Prophet used to pray, ‘O God, scheme for me, and do not scheme against me!’ (Qurtubi, IV, pp. 98-99; cf. Zamakhshari, I, p. 366)." (Ibid., p. 166)

And here, also, is how one of the earliest sources on the life of Muhammad interpreted Q. 8:30:

Then he reminds the apostle of His favour towards him when the people plotted against him 'to kill him, or to wound him, or to drive him out; and they plotted and God plotted, and is the best of plotters.' i.e. I deceived them with My firm Guile so that I delivered you from them. (The Life of Muhammad: A Translation of Ibn Ishaq's Sirat Rasul Allah, with introduction and notes by Alfred Guillaume [Oxford University Press, Karachi, Tenth impression 1995], p. 323

Thus, the Qur'an unashamedly calls Muhammad’s god the best liar and deceiver of them all!  It even dares to say that all deception belongs completely to Allah:

And verily, those before them did deceive/scheme (makara), but all deception/scheming is Allah's (falillahi al-makru).  He knows what every person earns, and the disbelievers will know who gets the good end. S. 13:42

In fact, the Qur'an states that Allah actually raises wicked individuals to deceive and scheme:

Even so have we placed in every city, ringleaders of its wicked ones, to scheme therein (liyamkuroo): but only against themselves shall they scheme (yamkuroona)! and they know it not. S. 6:123 Rodwell

And further commands people to do evil so that he can then have a reason to destroy them!

And when We would destroy a township We send commandment to its folk who live at ease, and afterward they commit abomination therein, and so the Word (of doom) hath effect for it, and we annihilate it with complete annihilation. S. 17:16 Pickthall

olabowale:

Islam is many generations in my blood. And I have practiced Islam for over 50 years! Now, Miim Kaf ra; is covering up, hiding the truth because of personal desire or arrogance or pride of speaking the truth. Makr does not appear anywhere is Miim Kaf Ra! Show it to us, if you know.

We know that your personal pride is getting in the way of accepting what the Qur'an, Arabic Lexicons and Islamic scholars have accepted as to the meaning of Makr, what other excuse have you got?

@Olaadegbu: I am building my plan against you. Thats Makr. You know that am planning because i informed you. If I didn't, my plan will be secret, and unknown to you. If you are not my friend or somebody I dislike, it should be natural that my action to counteract or render or overcome your evil action or intent and make it ineffect, should be expected by you. My action is therefore is not a deceit, or deception nor am I a deceiver, since all you wish is evil to my grand objective of progress. Now place Allah as the One now taking action to act against the action of the "disbeliever; non Muslims and the Devil. Note that the believers are true Muslims.


Now lets talk about deception, deceit or deceiver. Thats Khaada'. If I pretend that you are my friend, but in reality, I count you as an enemy, that is deceit on my part. It means that I have brought about deception because I am a deceiver who is not being honest or sincere with you. That is if you are an innocent man. But if you are an evil person, what I do to neutralize your evil plots or deception, is fair game, as long as I am within my power to do so. Now Allah is the Almighty Who has Power to do all things. Is there anyone to challenge His decision, plan, etc? If an evil person or Devil is deceiving innocent people who are beloved to Allah, is thre a problem if Allah also deceive the deceiver and render their deception and deceit useless?

6:123 wa kadhaalika ja’Alnaa fiy kul-li qaryatin akaabira mujrimiyhaa li yamkuruu fiyhaa* wa maa yamkuruuna il-laa bi anfusihim wa maa yash’Uruun

Ahmed Raza Khan: Mohammed Aqib Qadri:
And similarly, We have made in every town leaders among its criminals that they may conspire in it; and they do not conspire except against themselves and they do not have perception.

Yusuf Ali:
Thus have We placed leaders in every town, its wicked men, to plot (and burrow) therein: but they only plot against their own souls, and they perceive it not.

Pickthal:
And thus have We made in every city great ones of its wicked ones, that they should plot therein. They do but plot against themselves, though they perceive not


8:30 wa idh yamkuru bikal-ladhiyna kafaruu li yuthbituuka aw yaqtuluuka aw yukhrijuuk* wa yamkuruuna wa yamkurul-laah* wal-laahu khayrul maakiriyn


Ahmed Raza Khan: Mohammed Aqib Qadri:
And remember O dear Prophet when the disbelievers were scheming against you to either imprison you, or to kill you or to banish you; and they were scheming, and Allah was making His secret plan; and Allah's secret plan is the best.

Yusuf Ali:
Remember how the Unbelievers plotted against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They plot and plan, and Allah too plans; but the best of planners is Allah.

Pickthal:
And when those who disbelieve plot against thee (O Muhammad) to wound thee fatally, or to kill thee or to drive thee forth; they plot, but Allah (also) plotteth; and Allah is the best of plotters



13:42 wa qad makaral-ladhiyna min qablihim fa lil-laahil makru jamiy'AA* ya'Ålamu maa taksibu kul-lu nafs* wa saya'Ålamul kuf-faaru liman 'Uqbad daar

Ahmed Raza Khan: Mohammed Aqib Qadri:
And indeed those before them had plotted; therefore Allah Himself is the Master of all strategies; He knows all what every soul earns; and soon will the disbelievers realise for whom is the final abode.

Yusuf Ali:
Those before them did (also) devise plots; but in all things the master-planning is Allah's He knoweth the doings of every soul: and soon will the Unbelievers know who gets home in the end.

Pickthal:
Those who were before them plotted; but all plotting is Allah's. He knoweth that which each soul earneth. The disbelievers will come to know for whom will be the sequel of the (heavenly) Home.



17:16 wa idhaa aradnaa an nuhlika qaryatan amarnaa mutrafiyhaa fa fasaquu fiyhaa fa Haq-qa 'Alayhal qawlu fa dam-marnaahaa tadmiyraa

Ahmed Raza Khan: Mohammed Aqib Qadri:
And when We will to destroy a township We send the commands to its prosperous people, thereupon they do not obey them, and so the Word is proved upon it - We therefore destroy and ruin it.

Yusuf Ali:
When We decide to destroy a population, We (first) send a definite order to those among them who are given the good things of this life and yet transgress; so that the word is proved true against them: then (it is) We destroy them utterly.

Pickthal:
And when We would destroy a township We send commandment to its folk who live at ease, and afterward they commit abomination therein, and so the Word (of doom) hath effect for it, and we annihilate it with complete annihilation.


QUR'AN CHAPTER 2:
AL-BAQARA (THE COW)
Verse 9

Yakhaadi 'Uunallaaha walladhiyna aamanuu wa ma yakhda 'Uuna illaa anfusahumm wa maa yash 'Uruun

Ahmed Raza Khan: Mohammed Aqib Qadri:
They wish to deceive Allah and the believers; and in fact they deceive none except themselves and they do not have any understanding.

Yusuf Ali:
Fain would they deceive Allah and those who believe, but they only deceive themselves, and realise (it) not!

Pickthal:
They think to beguile Allah and those who believe, and they beguile none save themselves; but they perceive not.



57:14 yunaaduunahum alam nakum ma'Akum* qaaluu balaa walaakin-nakum fatantum anfusakum wa tarab-baStum wartabtum wa gar-ratkumul amaaniy-yu Hat-taa jaa-a amrul-laahi wa gar-rakum bil-laahil garuur


Ahmed Raza Khan: Mohammed Aqib Qadri:
The hypocrites will call out to the Muslims, "Were we not with you?"; they will answer, "Yes you were, why not? But you had put your souls into trial, and you used to await misfortune for the Muslims, and you doubted, and false hopes deceived you until Allah's command came - and the big cheat had made you conceited towards the command of Allah."

Yusuf Ali:
(Those without) will call out, "Were we not with you?" (The others) will reply, "True! but ye led yourselves into temptation; ye looked forward (to our ruin); ye doubted (Allah's Promise); and (your false) desires deceived you; until there issued the Command of Allah. And the Deceiver deceived you in respect of Allah.

Pickthal:
They will cry unto them (saying): Were we not with you? They will say: Yea, verily; but ye tempted one another, and hesitated, and doubted, and vain desires beguiled you till the ordinance of Allah came to pass; and the deceiver deceived you concerning Allah;


QUR'AN CHAPTER 59:
AL-HASHR (EXILE, BANISHMENT)
Verse 16

Ka mathalish shayTaani idh qaala lil Insaanikfur fa lammaa kafara qaala inniy bari-um minka inniy akhaafullaha rabbal 'Aalamiyn

Ahmed Raza Khan: Mohammed Aqib Qadri:
The example of the devil - when he said to man "Disbelieve"; so when he has rejected faith, he says, "I am unconcerned with you - indeed I fear Allah, the Lord of The Creation."

Yusuf Ali:
(Their allies deceived them), like the Evil One, when he says to man, "Deny Allah": but when (man) denies Allah, (the Evil One) says, "I am free of thee: I do fear Allah, the Lord of the Worlds!"

Pickthal:
(And the hypocrites are) on the likeness of the devil when he telleth man to disbelieve, then, when he disbelieveth saith: Lo! I am quit of thee. Lo! I fear Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.


Planner

3:54 wa makaruu wa makaral-laah* wal-laahu khayrul maakiriyn

Ahmed Raza Khan: Mohammed Aqib Qadri:
And the disbelievers conspired (to kill Eisa ), and Allah covertly planned to destroy them; and Allah is the best of secret planners.

Yusuf Ali:
And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.

Pickthal:
And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.



7:99 a fa aminuu makral-laah* falaa ya’manu makral-laahi il-lal qawmul khaasiruun

Ahmed Raza Khan: Mohammed Aqib Qadri:
Are they oblivious to Allah’s secret plan? So none is unafraid of Allah’s secret plan except the people of ruin!

Yusuf Ali:
Did they then feel secure against the plan of Allah?- but no one can feel secure from the Plan of Allah, except those (doomed) to ruin!

Pickthal:
Are they then secure from Allah's scheme? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's scheme save folk that perish.


27:50 wa makaruu makraw wa makarnaa makraw wa hum laa yash'Uruun

Ahmed Raza Khan: Mohammed Aqib Qadri:
So they devised a scheme, and We made our secret plan, and they remained neglectful.

Yusuf Ali:
They plotted and planned, but We too planned, even while they perceived it not.

Pickthal:
So they plotted a plot: and We plotted a plot, while they perceived not.


We do see that when Makr is used, it is to neutralize the evil intent or a way to debase.

When Khaadai is use it is used in such a way that afterall, Allah has made it plain that the deeds of evil doers will not go without repercussion.

So that's alright then. We can forgive Islam because of this news report.

Oh hang on:

hundreds of Muslim men, women and children publicly denounced all the killers of innocents as enemies of Islam on Sunday.

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Hundreds? Hundreds? And how many millions of Muslims are there in India? Yet from those millions we've got hundreds protesting? How many billions in the world? Hell. Someone writes a book saying that Mohammed sucks male genitals and those billions and millions would hit the streets, but a major atrocity and they muster hundreds?

Try again Islam. You've proven nothing.

@aulwal. What more do I want Muslims to say? Well, it looks like the vast majority (about 99.9999999999999999% of them) haven't said anything, doesn't it?

@ Bastage

Only 0.000001% of Muslims can voice for all the Muslims because they commit acts of Terrorism
But Hundreds of Muslims cannot voice for all the Muslims, Na WAO for you!!!

If you folks are thinking that we Muslims will be apologetics on the Terrorism acts, then you better even stop thinking of that, Okay? You are waisting ur tyms on dat. All MUSLIMS cannot come out and say Sorry, if folks like you are being killed by this terrorists then I will start praying for them to finish you all.

All MUSLIMS cannot come out and say Sorry

No? But when the shoe is on the other foot, you expect all Christians to apologise for any slight against Islam.

Take for example protests against the Danish cartoons. Or the Mohammed teddy-bear. Muslims are then out on the streets burning flags and condemning the whole populations of the nations concerned.

Sorry, if folks like you are being killed by this terrorists then I will start praying for them to finish you all.

That doesn't suprise me. It just illustrates my point.

Only 0.000001% of Muslims can voice for all the Muslims because they commit acts of Terrorism Angry Angry Angry
But Hundreds of Muslims cannot voice for all the Muslims, Na WAO for you!!

Again, it illustrates my point. Why are these guys who condemn terrorism speaking for Islam when the terrorists are not? You're the one who wants it both ways. Not me.
When people can see the majority of Islam condemning acts of terrorism, maybe then they'll start believing you. Until then, stop whining.[quote][/quote]

All MUSLIMS cannot come out and say Sorry

No? But when the shoe is on the other foot, you expect all Christians to apologise for any slight against Islam.

Take for example protests against the Danish cartoons. Or the Mohammed teddy-bear. Muslims are then out on the streets burning flags and condemning the whole populations of the nations concerned.

Sorry, if folks like you are being killed by this terrorists then I will start praying for them to finish you all.

That doesn't suprise me. It just illustrates my point.

Only 0.000001% of Muslims can voice for all the Muslims because they commit acts of Terrorism Angry Angry Angry
But Hundreds of Muslims cannot voice for all the Muslims, Na WAO for you!

Again, it illustrates my point. Why are these guys who condemn terrorism speaking for Islam when the terrorists are not? You're the one who wants it both ways. Not me.
When people can see the majority of Islam condemning acts of terrorism, maybe then they'll start believing you. Until then, stop whining.

@ Bastage

Yes, we will not allow our beloved Prophet Muhammad to become a playground for you folks just as how Jesus is to you. I bet if Prophet Muhammad's picture is available it could have become your favorite Tissue because of your extreme Hatred against Islam.

Because you are on the wrong side either, we don't bother whatever you will think or say about Islam, because that is what you are meant to do, is part of the Project, i'm sorry, but its Game Over.

Folks like you are blind and dumb, I can't voice out for the whole Muslims here and start apologizing for the Terrorists acts because of kinds of you. Because the largest Terrorist communities are Christians and Zionists like you. Ever mind your words, and always wish for the worst to come. You are but the lost sheep of Israel, you are a Slave of the Zionists and the West.

Zoom Well and you will see more than 3 Billion Folks crying for Help in the Hell! I don't petty you!

I bet if Prophet Muhammad's picture is available it could have become your favorite Tissue because of your extreme Hatred against Islam.

I would neither wipe my ass nor my nose with it. I couldn't care less about Islam. The only time I give it a thought is when it's a danger to me because of extremism. But because I disagree with you, I must hate Islam, right? You exhibit the typical mind-set of the religion-drone. Someone shows you that you guys have to take responsibility for your religion and you start whining. Fundamentalist Christians are exactly the same. The only difference is that they won't try to execute me like your guys would (not that they wouldn't like to).

Because you are on the wrong side either, we don't bother whatever you will think or say about Islam

That's your problem. There are many people on the "wrong side" and they do hate Islam because of your silence. They're the ones you'll have to worry about. And believe me, once you open the flood-gates, they'll be coming for you.

I can't voice out for the whole Muslims here and start apologizing for the Terrorists acts because of kinds of you

Nobody wants an apology. They want condemnation. They want the Muslim world to turn around and say "This is wrong". But as usual, the Muslim world just sits in silence. It's called "complicity".

Because the largest Terrorist communities are Christians and Zionists like you.

I'm neither Christian nor a Zionist. I'm just the guy stuck in the middle whilst you assholes battle it out. It's guys like me who get hit in the crossfire.
I'd have to disagree with your assertion that they're bigger terrorists though.

You are but the lost sheep of Israel, you are a Slave of the Zionists and the West.

Nope. Couldn't give a shit about Israel. I'd say the sheep and the slave is you - blindly following a religion so that you go to "Paradise". Like the rest of the religious freaks out there (Muslim and Christian) - if you opened your eyes, you'd see that by your own standards none of you are anything other than Satanists.

Well and you will see more than 3 Billion Folks crying for Help in the Hell! I don't petty you!

The word you're looking for is "pity". And I'm glad you don't pity me as pity is always given from a superior position. I do pity you though.

Bastage:

I would neither wipe my ass nor my nose with it. I couldn't care less about Islam. The only time I give it a thought is when it's a danger to me because of extremism. But because I disagree with you, I must hate Islam, right? You exhibit the typical mind-set of the religion-drone. Someone shows you that you guys have to take responsibility for your religion and you start whining. Fundamentalist Christians are exactly the same. The only difference is that they won't try to execute me like your guys would (not that they wouldn't like to).

religion-drone? Is this a set of new drone?

That's your problem. There are many people on the "wrong side" and they do hate Islam because of your silence. They're the ones you'll have to worry about. And believe me, once you open the flood-gates, they'll be coming for you.

Then stop shouting!!!

Nobody wants an apology. They want condemnation. They want the Muslim world to turn around and say "This is wrong". But as usual, the Muslim world just sits in silence. It's called "complicity".

Then why do you mind asking all Muslims to condemn the acts of Terrorism?

I'm neither Christian nor a Zionist. I'm just the guy stuck in the middle whilst you assholes battle it out. It's guys like me who get hit in the crossfire.
I'd have to disagree with your assertion that they're bigger terrorists though.

I know your side

Nope. Couldn't give a shit about Israel. I'd say the sheep and the slave is you - blindly following a religion so that you go to "Paradise". Like the rest of the religious freaks out there (Muslim and Christian) - if you opened your eyes, you'd see that by your own standards none of you are anything other than Satanists.

A uzu billahi minash shaitanir rajeem

The word you're looking for is "pity". And I'm glad you don't pity me as pity is always given from a superior position. I do pity you though.

Thanks for the correction, im in Arabic learning session, so the English is kind of woeee!

Then why do you mind asking all Muslims to condemn the acts of Terrorism?

I want condemnation because I'm the guy who is stuck in the middle. I'm the guy the extremists' bombs kill when they explode at civilian targets. I'm the guy who is minding his own business yet is threatened and then murdered by people hitting out at Christianity or Islam. I'm the guy who just wants to be left in peace yet gets dragged into a war of religious ideologies that he wants no part of. I'm the guy who doesn't care about your god, their god or anyone else's god - just my own. And I neither want to shove that god down your throat or get you to worship him. I just want to live my life in peace without fear of losing my life or the lives of those close to me.
And there are billions of guys like me out here in the world.

I'm also equal opportunity - I vigourously condemn acts of extremism from any religion. Christian, Islam, Jew, Hindu, whatever. It doesn't matter.

every body condem those terrorists , what else you like to do if you're far from that place?

@ Bastage

I hate Condemnation, I love resolution. I love the issue to be resolved once and for all, I want the issue of Terrorism DEAD!

Condemnation will not make the Terrorist stop what they are doing, but by looking into their demands and getting them out of the darkness they are in, and bringing them into the light of True Islam.

This Protest was a message to non-Muslims folks to know that these Terrorists are nothing but Enemies of Islam. So it is up to you to deny the fact, but them using the word "Allahu Akbar" does not make them genuine Muslims. I cannot see Terrorist Groups all wearing cross on their necks and claim that Christianity preaches Violence.

Few years back, a School was attacked even though about 60% of the students were Muslims, the attack followed a rumour that a Teacher threw the Holy Qur'an on the ground, the students in the class went to report her, but students from other classes roamed into the class and started shouting. The shoutings drew the attention of some people outside the school, after a while some students came out Protesting about what the teacher did, and exaggreting the situation that the Teacher tears the Holy Qur'an into pieces (Christian students were laughing and rejoicing at that time). Youths that got the news broke into the School and started looking for the teacher whom went hiding fearing that she will be killed when seen. Their was immense damage and chaos in the school as part of the school started burning, the generator room was set ablaze, and the electricity went off, students started running for their lives everywhere, as the Protesters cannot recognize who is a Muslim or who is a Christian, though no body was seriously injured or killed, the school was left looted and damaged. Since then, the school was never re-opened, but I heard rumours that they open a new one in Abuja.

What I want to quote out from the above is that it is an IMAM from a nearby Mosque that was able to calm the crowd. This IMAM is more educated and literate in Islam than the Youths that started the fire, if to say Islam supports Violence in any form, then this IMAM will be the person to praise them for what they are doing. This event was even reported in BBC and other Medias around the world (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3686950.stm).

Bastage:

So that's alright then. We can forgive Islam because of this news report.

Islam is not begging for forgiveness from anyone and doesnt need to be forgiven.

If all you want is condemnation of terrorist acts then there would be no solution to terrorism. People fail to remember that the solution to a problem is to look at its root causes.

How many Nigerian Christians come out to condemn the atrocities of the state of isreal and the mass punishment they met out to the civilians of Palestine. How many Nigerian Christians or people like you come out to condemn the use of cluster bombs in Afghanistan and Iraq? You lots accuse muslims of terror yet the only country to have used nuclear weapons in the world remains a Christian country US. Innocents civilians of Nagasaki and Hiroshima are still suffereing till today.

Let us not forget code orange. The use of chemical weapons in Vietnam I still saw horrible and ugly children been born without eyes, some without legs , some without arms due to this inhuman and evil acts by the US. This children are still been born 40 yrs after the war!!! just google it and see for yourself.

The solution to terrorism is addressing its root cause and not begging and asking for condemnation. Muslims shouldn’t be apologetics and rise tall above intimidation and pressure. We know there is extremism within islam like there is within any other faith and it is been addressed but the evil Bush did not help matters. Just when scholars were advising muslims against extremism after 9/11 and getting results the idiot went to Iraq so how do u explain to a muslims its not a war aginst islam but a war against terror when Iraq had no connection to 9/11.

Bush is responsible for fuelling terrorism and lets hope Obama would be intelligent enough not to be one sided although i doubt it with his new assembled security and foreign poliy team.

Several thousands innocent lives have been lost and the shoe thrown at the evil man sums it all up. This Bush even claims to be born again and he his adored by the right wing evangelicals in the US. What a shame!!!!

Nice post. You have said it all. Where is Bastage?

If all you want is condemnation of terrorist acts then there would be no solution to terrorism. People fail to remember that the solution to a problem is to look at its root causes.

That is totally and utterly illogical.

To see that there is a problem iin the first place, you have to recognise that problem. Recognising that problem means that it has to be condemned. Otherwise it's not a problem is it? Condemnation is the first step to finding a solution.
Go take a look at how the UN or any other conciliatory body works. They say "This is wrong" and then they go and try to sort out the problem. Without that "This is wrong", nobody even knows that there is a problem.

Where is Bastage?

Dodging the bombs and bullets of your brethren.