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Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by kinibigdeal(m): 10:32am On Dec 25, 2014
Am a scholar, a constructive critics but unbiased and very religious to my christian doctrine but not a fanatic or an extremist. I have both the bible and the Qur'an as the two major religion in Nigeria, some that knows me very well knew I have it in my archive but there was a day I came across a meliquenal verse in the qu'ran which I think need an explanation from the muslim faithfully which entails the following:

Qur'an 9:29

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last Day, nor hold that forbidden which both been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, from way the people of the book, until they pay the jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Qur'an 4:157

They said (in boast), "we killed christ jesus the son of mary, the messenger of Allah". But they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubt, without(certain) knowledge, but only conjective to follow, for a surety they killed him not.

Qur'an 5:47

Let the people of the Gospel judge by what allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by(the light of) what allah revealed, they are (no longer better than) those who rebel

Qur'an 2:191-193

And kill them wherever you find them and turn them out from where they have turned you out

Qur'an 3:151

Soon shall we cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, for that they joined companion with Allah

Qur'an 8:89

And fight with them until there is no more filna(disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah

Qur'an 8:57

If thou comest on them in war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember

Qur'an 9: 30

"AND THE JEWS SAY, EZRA IS THE SON OF ALLAH, AND THE CHRISTIAN SAY: THE MESSIAH IS THE SON OF ALLAH, THESE ARE THE WORDS OF THEIR MOUTHS; THEY INITIATE THE SAYING OF THOSE WHO DISBELIEVED; MAY ALLAH DESTROY THEM; HOW THEY ARE TURNED AWAY

Qur'an 9:123

"O you who belief fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness

Qur'an 48:2a

"Muhammed is the messenger of Allah, and those with him are hard(ruthless) against the disbelief and merciful among themselves

Tabari 9:69

Killing unbelievers is a small matter to us


Conclusion

Am not in anyway trying to trigger controversies with the aboved verse, and if deem fit it can be deleted, I just want a very good muslim scholar to explain the verses to me and some who are eager to know. And also if there is any verse in the bible that you also feel you need explanation as I have done, I will be happy to explain to you with the help of the holy spirit.

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Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by davo90tico(m): 10:45am On Dec 25, 2014
hmmmmmmm
Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by tobillionaire(m): 11:08am On Dec 25, 2014
So they should k!p warring against the unbelievers till. They believe. By force
Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by abbeycial: 11:09am On Dec 25, 2014
a demented scholar

y do u use the gents without cleaning up with water or soap?

y do u ve old and new testament?

y do u ve diffrent house of worship with diffrent religious doctorines?

y do u give d holy sprit more recognition than GOD?( I will be happy to explain to you with the help of the holy spirit)

y do ur religious leaders smear their personalities in adultery,self-service,politics and arms smuggling(e.g oyakilomeh,pastor Biodun,oritsejafor bla bla)?

y r u allowed to drink but not allowed to get drunk(silly idea dough)?

y is sunday d only pronounced day of worship for u?

y do ur men of holy spirit fly in private jets while thier congregations/believers suffer?

y do ur men of holy spirit slap/beat dia followers?

ans d ff unbiased question then u wld get an answer to your questns

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Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by amichaelz101(m): 11:15am On Dec 25, 2014
Hmmmm
Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by Jibola10(m): 11:22am On Dec 25, 2014
I can't answer ur questions until u tell me where u got Quran 8:89 from, because deres nothing like that in my Quran, Quran 8 has 75 verses.

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Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by abbeycial: 11:24am On Dec 25, 2014
kinibigdeal:
Am a scholar, a constructive critics but unbiased and very religious to my christian doctrine but not a fanatic or an extremist. I have both the bible and the Qur'an as the two major religion in Nigeria, some that knows me very well knew I have it in my archive but there was a day I came across a meliquenal verse in the qu'ran which I think need an explanation from the muslim faithfully which entails the following:
Qur'an 9:29
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last Day, nor hold that forbidden which both been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, from way the people of the book, until they pay the jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Qur'an 4:157
They said (in boast), "we killed christ jesus the son of mary, the messenger of Allah". But they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubt, without(certain) knowledge, but only conjective to follow, for a surety they killed him not.
Qur'an 5:47


Let the people of the Gospel judge by what allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by(the light of) what allah revealed, they are (no longer better than) those who rebel
Qur'an 2:191-193
And kill them wherever you find them and turn them out from where they have turned you out
Qur'an 3:151
Soon shall we cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, for that they joined companion with Allah
Qur'an 8:89
And fight with them until there is no more filna(disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah
Qur'an 8:57
If thou comest on them in war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember
Qur'an 9: 30
"AND THE JEWS SAY, EZRA IS THE SON OF ALLAH, AND THE CHRISTIAN SAY: THE MESSIAH IS THE SON OF ALLAH, THESE ARE THE WORDS OF THEIR MOUTHS; THEY INITIATE THE SAYING OF THOSE WHO DISBELIEVED; MAY ALLAH DESTROY THEM; HOW THEY ARE TURNED AWAY
Qur'an 9:123
"O you who belief fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness
Qur'an 48:2a
"Muhammed is the messenger of Allah, and those with him are hard(ruthless) against the disbelief and merciful among themselves
Tabari 9:69
Killing unbelievers is a small matter to us
Conclusion
Am not in anyway trying to trigger controversies with the aboved verse, and if deem fit it can be deleted, I just want a very good muslim scholar to explain the verses to me and some who are eager to know. And also if there is any verse in the bible that you also feel you need explanation as I have done, I will be happy to explain to you with the help of the holy spirit.


A very cheap way to eradicate BUHARI's dream for presidency.


try again GEJ bootlicker.
Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by Zaikon(m): 11:35am On Dec 25, 2014
[b] Qur'an 9:29 Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that
forbidden which has been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor
acknowledge the religion of truth, [even if they are] of the People of
the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel
themselves subdued.
Some people have falsely concluded from verse 9:29, that Muslims are
commanded to attack all non-Muslims until they pay money. In fact,
such an interpretation is completely false and contradicts authentic
Islamic teachings. Commenting on this verse, Shaykh Jalal Abualrub
writes:
These Ayat (Quranic verses) stress the necessity of fighting against the
People of the Scripture, but under what conditions? We previously
established the fact that the Islamic State is not permitted to attack
non-Muslims who are not hostile to Islam, who do not oppress
Muslims, or try to convert Muslims by force from their religion, or
expel them from their lands, or wage war against them, or prepare for
attacks against them. If any of these offenses occurs, however, Muslims
are permitted to defend themselves and protect their religion.
Muslims are not permitted to attack non-Muslims who signed peace
pacts with them, or non-Muslims who live under the protection of the
Islamic State.

Qur'an 4:157And because of their saying (in
boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the
Messenger of Allâh," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but
the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they
killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They
have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For
surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ]:
But Allâh raised him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto
Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allâh is Ever All-Powerful, All
Wise.}his body and soul were raised to the heavens.
It is confirmed in the Saheeh that he will descend with his body and
soul. Because if Allah meant that I’sa died, He would have said: ‘They
did not kill him, and they did not crucify him, but he died’.
That is why some Ulamah said: “and raise you” means “I take you up”,
i.e. with body and soul’.
In Arabic language “Tawafaitu” i.e. I received the amount in full, and
“Istawfait” means the same thing. The word “Tawafa” does not
necessarily refer to the “taking” of body and soul.
It can also refer to ‘taking the soul away at the time of sleep’.

Qur'an Qur'an 5:47
Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed
therein. If any do fail to judge by(the light of) what Allah revealed,
they are (no longer better than) those who rebel.

We must read everything in its context. When one sees the clear evidence that Islam
teaches that the text of the Christian and Jewish scriptures of today is corrupt, he or
she then must attempt to harmonize and understand what the other verses are
speaking about. When all verses are looked at together, the problem will go away.
The main problem with Christians who put forth these arguments is that they fail to
identify and understand how the Qur'an uses the terms 'Torah' and 'Gospel' in the
Qur'an. When the Qur'an talks about the Torah and Gospel, one of its intentions is to
speak about the original revelations sent to Moses and Jesus peace be upon them
both respectively. Sometimes the Qur'an or authentic hadith might appear to be
speaking about the Torah and Gospel, which Jews and Christians refer to.
[/b]

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Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by Zaikon(m): 11:42am On Dec 25, 2014
Qur'an [s]8:89
And fight with them until there is no more filna(disorder, unbelief)
and religion should be only for Allah[/s].

Bro plz becareful with how u mislead people
Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by thorpido(m): 11:51am On Dec 25, 2014
Zaikon:
[b] Qur'an 9:29 Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that
forbidden which has been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor
acknowledge the religion of truth, [even if they are] of the People of
the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel
themselves subdued.
Some people have falsely concluded from verse 9:29, that Muslims are
commanded to attack all non-Muslims until they pay money. In fact,
such an interpretation is completely false and contradicts authentic
Islamic teachings. Commenting on this verse, Shaykh Jalal Abualrub
writes:
These Ayat (Quranic verses) stress the necessity of fighting against the
People of the Scripture, but under what conditions? We previously
established the fact that the Islamic State is not permitted to attack
non-Muslims who are not hostile to Islam, who do not oppress
Muslims, or try to convert Muslims by force from their religion, or
expel them from their lands, or wage war against them, or prepare for
attacks against them. If any of these offenses occurs, however, Muslims
are permitted to defend themselves and protect their religion.
Muslims are not permitted to attack non-Muslims who signed peace
pacts with them, or non-Muslims who live under the protection of the
Islamic State.

Qur'an 4:157And because of their saying (in
boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the
Messenger of Allâh," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but
the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they
killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They
have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For
surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ]:
But Allâh raised him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto
Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allâh is Ever All-Powerful, All
Wise.}his body and soul were raised to the heavens.
It is confirmed in the Saheeh that he will descend with his body and
soul. Because if Allah meant that I’sa died, He would have said: ‘They
did not kill him, and they did not crucify him, but he died’.
That is why some Ulamah said: “and raise you” means “I take you up”,
i.e. with body and soul’.
In Arabic language “Tawafaitu” i.e. I received the amount in full, and
“Istawfait” means the same thing. The word “Tawafa” does not
necessarily refer to the “taking” of body and soul.
It can also refer to ‘taking the soul away at the time of sleep’.

Qur'an Qur'an 5:47
Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed
therein. If any do fail to judge by(the light of) what Allah revealed,
they are (no longer better than) those who rebel.

We must read everything in its context. When one sees the clear evidence that Islam
teaches that the text of the Christian and Jewish scriptures of today is corrupt, he or
she then must attempt to harmonize and understand what the other verses are
speaking about. When all verses are looked at together, the problem will go away.
The main problem with Christians who put forth these arguments is that they fail to
identify and understand how the Qur'an uses the terms 'Torah' and 'Gospel' in the
Qur'an. When the Qur'an talks about the Torah and Gospel, one of its intentions is to
speak about the original revelations sent to Moses and Jesus peace be upon them
both respectively. Sometimes the Qur'an or authentic hadith might appear to be
speaking about the Torah and Gospel, which Jews and Christians refer to.
[/b]
Can you provide PROOF that the resemblance of Jesus was placed on another man who was killed?
The bible records that some people were sent to watch over the tomb of Jesus so that his body was not stolen.When He resurrected and they couldn't find Him,they reported back to those who gave them the instruction.These people gave them money and told them to go round saying Jesus' body was stolen by his disciples and many believed them(Matt.28:13)
Anyone can tell stories.Muhammed told his own story.
I will be convinced with PROOF that indeed someone else was killed in Jesus' place.
Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by Zaikon(m): 12:21pm On Dec 25, 2014
thorpido:
Can you provide PROOF that the resemblance of Jesus was placed on another man who was killed?
The bible records that some people were sent to watch over the tomb of Jesus so that his body was not stolen.When He resurrected and they couldn't find Him,they reported back to those who gave them the instruction.These people gave them money and told them to go round saying Jesus' body was stolen by his disciples and many believed them(Matt.28:13)
Anyone can tell stories.Muhammed told his own story.
I will be convinced with PROOF that indeed someone else was killed in Jesus' place.
Tanx bro I gat little typo errors initialy hia u hav it .". And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the
son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor
did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them.
And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no
knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not
kill him, for certain.

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Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by thorpido(m): 1:29pm On Dec 25, 2014
Zaikon:
Tanx bro I gat little typo errors initialy hia u hav it .". And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the
son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor
did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them.
And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no
knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not
kill him, for certain.
Well I'll say your response is an assumption too.
Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by Zaikon(m): 1:31pm On Dec 25, 2014
thorpido:
Well I'll say your response is an assumption too.
. I understand you too well *winks* no comment not just say an assumptions... More ?
Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by thorpido(m): 1:38pm On Dec 25, 2014
Zaikon:
. I understand you too well *winks* no comment not just say an assumptions... More ?
Jesus came and fulfilled a purpose.The story was that he was killed and was raised from the dead even before Muhammed was born.Muhammed came later with his story that he did not die but another person was killed in his place.Even before Muhammed came there was the story that he died but did not rise from the dead.
I can say it was Muhammed's story and assumption since he did not leave any undeniable proof except his story that it was what God told him.

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Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by Zaikon(m): 2:23pm On Dec 25, 2014
thorpido:
Jesus came and fulfilled a purpose.The story was that he was killed and was raised from the dead even before Muhammed was born.Muhammed came later with his story that he did not die but another person was killed in his place.Even before Muhammed came there was the story that he died but did not rise from the dead.
I can say it was Muhammed's story and assumption since he did not leave any undeniable proof except his story that it was what God told him.
the story wasn't PROPHET MUHAMMED's story but it was a Qur'anic verse which you also quote. That reminds me what about that one I strike in which you quote as a verse
Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by dastranger(m): 2:33pm On Dec 25, 2014
I smell hypocrisy.... meanwhile I'll be back with your answers op...And also note that chapter 8 of the Quran has 75 verses.... I don't know where you got your 8:89
Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by kinibigdeal(m): 2:48pm On Dec 25, 2014
dastranger:
I smell hypocrisy.... meanwhile I'll be back with your answers op...And also note that chapter 8 of the Quran has 75 chapters.... I don't know where you got your 8:89

I mean Qu'ran 8:39
Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by kinibigdeal(m): 2:49pm On Dec 25, 2014
Jibola10:
I can't answer ur questions until u tell me where u got Quran 8:89 from, because deres nothing like that in my Quran, Quran 8 has 75 verses.


I mean Qur'an 8:39
Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by kinibigdeal(m): 3:01pm On Dec 25, 2014
abbeycial:
a demented scholar

y do u use the gents without cleaning up with water or soap?

y do u ve old and new testament?

y do u ve diffrent house of worship with diffrent religious doctorines?

y do u give d holy sprit more recognition than GOD?( I will be happy to explain to you with the help of the holy spirit)

y do ur religious leaders smear their personalities in adultery,self-service,politics and arms smuggling(e.g oyakilomeh,pastor Biodun,oritsejafor bla bla)?

y r u allowed to drink but not allowed to get drunk(silly idea dough)?

y is sunday d only pronounced day of worship for u?

y do ur men of holy spirit fly in private jets while thier congregations/believers suffer?

y do ur men of holy spirit slap/beat dia followers?

ans d ff unbiased question then u wld get an answer to your questns


Your question 3 will lead to another question, why do we have teblic, Nasfat and co..question 2 we have both old and new testament because in the old testament we live by laws, that is why jesus christ came to this world to nullify those laws(please take a bible and read the book of Romans, I encourage you) youe question maybe very difficult for me to explain to you because you may not understand but we serve only one God, he gave us the holyspirit to lead and direct us, to interprete things of the heavenly to us..your question 5 should be based on fact because they are mere accusations and unfounded..questions 7 christian worship everyday and keep sunday as the sabbath day, as your questions on private jet, give me names of men of God you know, maybe I will be able to tell you why. Don't forget I only derive a verse in the qur'An and never attack any personality I expect you to derive same in the bible and ask for explanation not personality

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Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by thorpido(m): 3:09pm On Dec 25, 2014
Zaikon:
the story wasn't PROPHET MUHAMMED's story but it was a Qur'anic verse which you also quote. That reminds me what about that one I strike in which you quote as a verse
Is the Quran not Muhammed's story?

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Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by malvisguy212: 3:54pm On Dec 25, 2014
Zaikon:
Tanx bro I gat little typo errors initialy hia u hav it .". And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the
son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor
did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them.
And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no
knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not
kill him, for certain.
so you mean after the death of Jesus, God waited for 650years before he send muhammed to say ''they crucified him not?'' What about people that have died believing Jesus was dead? Whose gonna take the blame for there unbelieve ?

The problems with Muslims is the misunderstanding of the holiness of God,this verse in the quran indicate God cast a false believe on Christians and Jews meaning God is a deceiver.

According to the quran,all soul must test death;
Surah 21:35: Every soul must taste
of death, and We try you with evil
and with good, for ordeal. And unto
Us ye will be returned. (Pickthall)

Before then,the quran say all prophets of God are human including Jesus;

Surah 21:7-8: Before thee, also, the
messengers We sent WERE BUT MEN,
to whom We granted inspiration: If ye
realise this not, ask of those who
possess the Message. Nor did We give
them bodies that ate no food, nor
WERE THEY EXAMPT FROM DEATH.
(Yusuf Ali)

And the quran say all soul must test death;
Surah 21:35: Every SOUL must taste
of DEATH, and We try you with evil
and with good, for ordeal. And unto
Us ye will be returned. (Pickthall)

If Muslims say Jesus did not die,they are indirectly saying that Allah lied in quran 21:35. Even a well known Islamic translator of the quran(yusuf Ali) say in his footnote of Surah 19:33:
“…Christ was not crucified (S. IV. 157).
But those who believe that he never
died should ponder over this
verse.” (Ali, “The Holy Qur’an”,
p.774, f. 2485.)

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Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by dastranger(m): 4:47pm On Dec 25, 2014
thorpido:
Is the Quran not Muhammed's story?
.

This Qur'an could never have been devised by any besides Allah. Rather it is confirmation of what came before it and an elucidation of the Book which contains no doubt from the Lord of all the worlds. Do they say, "He has invented it"? Say: "Then produce a sura like it and call on anyone you can besides Allah if you are telling the truth."
(Qur'an, 10:37-38)

Verily! It is We(Allah) Who have sent down the Quran to you (O Muhammad SAW) by stages.
(Qur'an , 76:23)

And this is a Book We have sent down and blessed, so follow it and have fear of Allah so that hopefully you will gain mercy. (Qur'an, 6:155)

Haven't the unbelievers considered if this was from other than Allah, they would find within it many contradictions?
[Noble Quran 4:82]



The Quran is from Allah (God) not Muhammad's story
Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by Zaikon(m): 4:55pm On Dec 25, 2014
malvisguy212:
so you mean after the death of Jesus, God waited for 650years before he send muhammed to say ''they crucified him not?'' What about people that have died believing Jesus was dead? Whose gonna take the blame for there unbelieve ?

The problems with Muslims is the misunderstanding of the holiness of God,this verse in the quran indicate God cast a false believe on Christians and Jews meaning God is a deceiver.

According to the quran,all soul must test death;
Surah 21:35: Every soul must taste
of death, and We try you with evil
and with good, for ordeal. And unto
Us ye will be returned. (Pickthall)

Before then,the quran say all prophets of God are human including Jesus;

Surah 21:7-8: Before thee, also, the
messengers We sent WERE BUT MEN,
to whom We granted inspiration: If ye
realise this not, ask of those who
possess the Message. Nor did We give
them bodies that ate no food, nor
WERE THEY EXAMPT FROM DEATH.
(Yusuf Ali)

And the quran say all soul must test death;
Surah 21:35: Every SOUL must taste
of DEATH, and We try you with evil
and with good, for ordeal. And unto
Us ye will be returned. (Pickthall)

If Muslims say Jesus did not die,they are indirectly saying that Allah lied in quran 21:35. Even a well known Islamic translator of the quran(yusuf Ali) say in his footnote of Surah 19:33:
“…Christ was not crucified (S. IV. 157).
But those who believe that he never
died should ponder over this
verse.” (Ali, “The Holy Qur’an”,
p.774, f. 2485.)
*smile* u wil find it difficult 2 undstand coz the Jesus is still coming back 2 clearify himself to those calling him God/Son of God
Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by Zaikon(m): 5:12pm On Dec 25, 2014
thorpido:
Is the Quran not Muhammed's story?
i keep saying this " u will find it difficult to comprehend" . More...
Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by dastranger(m): 5:20pm On Dec 25, 2014
kinibigdeal:


Qur'an 9:29

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last Day, nor hold that forbidden which both been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, from way the people of the book, until they pay the jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

as I have done, I will be happy to explain to you with the help of the holy spirit.

First and foremost, If i find out that your motive to create this thread was to create mischief or mock islam/Quran. I will desist from answering your further questions.. So i expect a mature mind rubbing together... And when you done asking your questions, I'm gonna ask mine too
Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by dastranger(m): 5:22pm On Dec 25, 2014
Zaikon:
i keep saying this " u will find it difficult to comprehend" . More...

dont make it an orphic situation...The quran is easy to understand...So make him bro
Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by thorpido(m): 5:27pm On Dec 25, 2014
Zaikon:
i keep saying this " u will find it difficult to comprehend" . More...
There is nothing I do not comprehend in what you wrote and the verse of the Quran you quoted.
Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by malvisguy212: 5:30pm On Dec 25, 2014
Zaikon:
*smile* u wil find it difficult 2 undstand coz the Jesus is still coming back 2 clearify himself to those calling him God/Son of God
where do you get this information that Jesus is coming back to clearify this ?
You did not answer my question, the Jews and Christians that have died thinking Jesus was killed before the coming of muhammed, who shall be blame for there unbelieif? Allah or satan? if you answer this question you will notice there are spiritual manipulation going on in the quran.
One of the attribute of the true God is Holiness,but the quran say Allah change the face of someone to Jesus, meaning Allah deceive thoes people, surly this is not the acts of Holiness of the true God, it's satan that do such thing.

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Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by thorpido(m): 5:49pm On Dec 25, 2014
dastranger:

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This Qur'an could never have been devised by any besides Allah. Rather it is confirmation of what came before it and an elucidation of the Book which contains no doubt from the Lord of all the worlds. Do they say, "He has invented it"? Say: "Then produce a sura like it and call on anyone you can besides Allah if you are telling the truth."
(Qur'an, 10:37-38)

Verily! It is We(Allah) Who have sent down the Quran to you (O Muhammad SAW) by stages.
(Qur'an , 76:23)

And this is a Book We have sent down and blessed, so follow it and have fear of Allah so that hopefully you will gain mercy. (Qur'an, 6:155)

Haven't the unbelievers considered if this was from other than Allah, they would find within it many contradictions?
[Noble Quran 4:82]



The Quran is from Allah (God) not Muhammad's story
That is simply a question of belief and a religion propagated.Muhammed was said to have seen an angel who revealed the quran(what proof)?
What proof is there that it was angel gabriel he saw?
Again,the complexity of the Quran is no proof of it's authenticity.Do you realise there are other religious books that have remained the same?Do you know there are books- occultic books that are complex?

See it's still not enough PROOF.

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Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by dastranger(m): 6:00pm On Dec 25, 2014
kinibigdeal:


Qur'an 9:29

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last Day, nor hold that forbidden which both been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, from way the people of the book, until they pay the jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Firstly, Let me take you back to verse 28 of the surah.

O you who have believed, indeed the polytheists are unclean, so let them not approach al-Masjid al-Haram after this, their [final] year. And if you fear privation, Allah will enrich you from His bounty if He wills. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Wise(Q9,vs28)


During the time of prophet Muhammad(SAW), the unbelievers do create mischiefs and harm to the muslims...So in a way to protect themselves, Allah instructed the Muhammad(SAW) and the muslims to take measures and protect themselves

Idolators are no longer allowed into Al-Masjid Al-Haram

Allah commands His believing servants, who are pure in religion and person, to expel the idolators who are filthy in the religious sense, from Al-Masjid Al-Haram. After the revelation of this Ayah, idolators were no longer allowed to go near the Masjid. This Ayah was revealed in the ninth year of Hijrah. The Messenger of Allah sent `Ali in the company of Abu Bakr that year to publicize to the idolators that no Mushrik will be allowed to perform Hajj after that year, nor a naked person allowed to perform Tawaf around the House. Allah completed this decree, made it a legislative ruling, as well as, a fact of reality. `Abdur-Razzaq recorded that Jabir bin `Abdullah commented on the Ayah,


Breaking down the verse
﴿إِنَّمَا الْمُشْرِكُونَ نَجَسٌ فَلاَ يَقْرَبُواْ الْمَسْجِدَ الْحَرَامَ بَعْدَ عَامِهِمْ هَـذَا﴾

(O you who believe! Verily, the Mushrikin(unbelievers, polytheist, wrong doers) are impure. So let them not come near Al-Masjid Al-Haram after this year) "Unless it was a servant or one of the people of Dhimmah.'' Imam Abu `Amr Al-Awza'i said, "Umar bin `Abdul-`Aziz wrote (to his governors) to prevent Jews and Christians from entering the Masjids of Muslims, and he followed his order with Allah's statement,

﴿إِنَّمَا الْمُشْرِكُونَ نَجَسٌ﴾

(Verily, the Mushrikin are impure.) `Ata' said, "All of the Sacred Area ﴿the Haram﴾ is considered a Masjid, for Allah said,

﴿فَلاَ يَقْرَبُواْ الْمَسْجِدَ الْحَرَامَ بَعْدَ عَامِهِمْ هَـذَا﴾

(So let them not come near Al-Masjid Al-Haram (at Makkah) after this year.)'' This Ayah indicates that idolators are impure and that the believers are pure. In the Sahih is the following,

«الْمُؤْمِنُ لَا يَنْجُس»

(The believer does not become impure.) Allah said,


﴿وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ عَيْلَةً فَسَوْفَ يُغْنِيكُمُ اللَّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِ﴾

(and if you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you, out of His bounty.) Muhammad bin Ishaq commented, "The people said, `Our markets will be closed, our commerce disrupted, and what we earned will vanish.' So Allah revealed this verse,

﴿وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ عَيْلَةً فَسَوْفَ يُغْنِيكُمُ اللَّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِ﴾

(and if you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you, out of His bounty), from other resources,


﴿إِن شَآءَ﴾

(if He wills), until,

﴿وَهُمْ صَـغِرُونَ﴾

(. ..and feel themselves subdued.) This Ayah means, `this will be your compensation for the closed markets that you feared would result.' Therefore, Allah compensated them for the losses they incurred because they severed ties with idolators, by the Jizyah they earned from the People of the Book.'' Similar statements were reported from Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid, `Ikrimah, Sa`id bin Jubayr, Qatadah and Ad-Dahhak and others. Allah said,

﴿إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ﴾

(Surely, Allah is All-Knowing), in what benefits you,

﴿حَكِيمٌ﴾

(All-Wise), in His orders and prohibitions, for He is All-Perfect in His actions and statements, All-Just in His creations and decisions, Blessed and Hallowed be He. This is why Allah compensated Muslims for their losses by the amount of Jizyah that they took from the people of Dhimmah.
Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by dastranger(m): 6:15pm On Dec 25, 2014
kinibigdeal:


Qur'an 9:29

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last Day, nor hold that forbidden which both been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, from way the people of the book, until they pay the jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

So in order to reduce mischief, Allah istructed muhammad SAW to subdue the unbelievers........Now to verse 29

Allah said,

﴿قَـتِلُواْ الَّذِينَ لاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَلاَ بِالْيَوْمِ الاٌّخِرِ وَلاَ يُحَرِّمُونَ مَا حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَلاَ يَدِينُونَ دِينَ الْحَقِّ مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ الْكِتَـبَ حَتَّى يُعْطُواْ الْجِزْيَةَ عَن يَدٍ وَهُمْ صَـغِرُونَ ﴾

(Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the People of the Scripture, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.) Therefore, when People of the Scriptures disbelieved in Muhammad , they had no beneficial faith in any Messenger or what the Messengers brought. Rather, they followed their religions because this conformed with their ideas, lusts and the ways of their forefathers, not because they are Allah's Law and religion. Had they been true believers in their religions, that faith would have directed them to believe in Muhammad , because all Prophets gave the good news of Muhammad's advent and commanded them to obey and follow him. Yet when he was sent, they disbelieved in him, even though he is the mightiest of all Messengers. Therefore, they do not follow the religion of earlier Prophets because these religions came from Allah, but because these suit their desires and lusts. Therefore, their claimed faith in an earlier Prophet will not benefit them because they disbelieved in the master, the mightiest, the last and most perfect of all Prophets . Hence Allah's statement,

﴿قَـتِلُواْ الَّذِينَ لاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَلاَ بِالْيَوْمِ الاٌّخِرِ وَلاَ يُحَرِّمُونَ مَا حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَلاَ يَدِينُونَ دِينَ الْحَقِّ مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ الْكِتَـبَ﴾

(Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the People of the Scripture,) This honorable Ayah was revealed with the order to fight the People of the Book, after the pagans were defeated, the people entered Allah's religion in large numbers, and the Arabian Peninsula was secured under the Muslims' control. Allah commanded His Messenger to fight the People of the Scriptures, Jews and Christians, on the ninth year of Hijrah, and he prepared his army to fight the Romans and called the people to Jihad announcing his intent and destination. The Messenger sent his intent to various Arab areas around Al-Madinah to gather forces, and he collected an army of thirty thousand. Some people from Al-Madinah and some hypocrites, in and around it, lagged behind, for that year was a year of drought and intense heat. The Messenger of Allah marched, heading towards Ash-Sham to fight the Romans until he reached Tabuk, where he set camp for about twenty days next to its water resources. He then prayed to Allah for a decision and went back to Al-Madinah because it was a hard year and the people were weak, as we will mention, Allah willing.
Re: Nine Important Verse That Muslim Need To Explain To Us by dastranger(m): 6:22pm On Dec 25, 2014
Continuation of verse 29

Paying Jizyah is a Sign of Kufr and Disgrace

Allah said,

﴿حَتَّى يُعْطُواْ الْجِزْيَةَ﴾

(until they pay the Jizyah), if they do not choose to embrace Islam,

﴿عَن يَدٍ﴾

(with willing submission), in defeat and subservience,

﴿وَهُمْ صَـغِرُونَ﴾

(and feel themselves subdued.), disgraced, humiliated and belittled. Therefore, Muslims are not allowed to honor the people of Dhimmah or elevate them above Muslims, for they are miserable, disgraced and humiliated. Muslim recorded from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet said,

«لَا تَبْدَءُوا الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصَارَى بِالسَّلَامِ، وَإِذَا لَقِيتُمْ أَحَدَهُمْ فِي طَرِيقٍ فَاضْطَرُّوهُ إِلَى أَضْيَقِه»

(Do not initiate the Salam to the Jews and Christians, and if you meet any of them in a road, force them to its narrowest alley.) This is why the Leader of the faithful `Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, demanded his well-known conditions be met by the Christians, these conditions that ensured their continued humiliation, degradation and disgrace. The scholars of Hadith narrated from `Abdur-Rahman bin Ghanm Al-Ash`ari that he said, "I recorded for `Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, the terms of the treaty of peace he conducted with the Christians of Ash-Sham: `In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. This is a document to the servant of Allah `Umar, the Leader of the faithful, from the Christians of such and such city. When you (Muslims) came to us we requested safety for ourselves, children, property and followers of our religion. We made a condition on ourselves that we will neither erect in our areas a monastery, church, or a sanctuary for a monk, nor restore any place of worship that needs restoration nor use any of them for the purpose of enmity against Muslims. We will not prevent any Muslim from resting in our churches whether they come by day or night, and we will open the doors ﴿of our houses of worship﴾ for the wayfarer and passerby. Those Muslims who come as guests, will enjoy boarding and food for three days. We will not allow a spy against Muslims into our churches and homes or hide deceit ﴿or betrayal﴾ against Muslims. We will not teach our children the Qur'an, publicize practices of Shirk, invite anyone to Shirk or prevent any of our fellows from embracing Islam, if they choose to do so. We will respect Muslims, move from the places we sit in if they choose to sit in them. We will not imitate their clothing, caps, turbans, sandals, hairstyles, speech, nicknames and title names, or ride on saddles, hang swords on the shoulders, collect weapons of any kind or carry these weapons. We will not encrypt our stamps in Arabic, or sell liquor. We will have the front of our hair cut, wear our customary clothes wherever we are, wear belts around our waist, refrain from erecting crosses on the outside of our churches and demonstrating them and our books in public in Muslim fairways and markets. We will not sound the bells in our churches, except discretely, or raise our voices while reciting our holy books inside our churches in the presence of Muslims, nor raise our voices ﴿with prayer﴾ at our funerals, or light torches in funeral processions in the fairways of Muslims, or their markets. We will not bury our dead next to Muslim dead, or buy servants who were captured by Muslims. We will be guides for Muslims and refrain from breaching their privacy in their homes.' When I gave this document to `Umar, he added to it, `We will not beat any Muslim. These are the conditions that we set against ourselves and followers of our religion in return for safety and protection. If we break any of these promises that we set for your benefit against ourselves, then our Dhimmah (promise of protection) is broken and you are allowed to do with us what you are allowed of people of defiance and rebellion.'''

So after subduing them, they entered into peace treaty agreement

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