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G by Nobody: 7:39am On Jan 06, 2015 |
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Re: G by Maakhir(m): 10:14am On Jan 06, 2015 |
Uzeinalkali: Bro, Its a good point and here is the answer which the schilars of sharia agree on. The Sharia law and the Ayat do not actually contradict. If you understand arabic properly, the apostasy mentioned is apostasy that is paramount to treason. The apostate may practice whatever religion they practice in private, but they are not allowed to mislead other muslims. Plus, Islam is there for society as a whole and not just for the individual, the treason that I mentioned is providing valuable information or harming the muslim society that might physically or financially harm muslims at the time in the society Muhammed pbuh was living in. |
Re: G by AbooTasleemah1(m): 11:46am On Jan 06, 2015 |
As Salamu alaykum wa RahmatuLlaah! Firstly: This is the ruling of Allaah and His Messenger, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever changes his religion, kill him." (reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3017). Note: It was revealed in Surat Najm Vs 2 and 3 that the Prophet(sala Llaahu alayhi was salam) never speaks of his own desire. Secondly: The one who has known the religion which Allaah revealed, entered it and practised it, then rejected it, despised it and left it, is a person who does not deserve to live on the earth of Allaah and eat from the provision of Allaah. By leaving Islaam, the apostate opens the way for everyone who wants to leave the faith, thus spreading apostasy and encouraging it. The apostate is not to be killed without warning. Even though his crime is so great, he is given a last chance, a respite of three days in which to repent. If he repents, he will be left alone; if he does not repent, then he will be killed. If the punishment for murder and espionage (also known as high treason) is death, then what should be the punishment for the one who disbelieves in the Lord of mankind and despises and rejects His religion? Is espionage or shedding blood worse than leaving the religion of the Lord of mankind and rejecting it? #Copied from Islamqa with some Editing from me. I hope this benefit us more... The word of Rasul(sala Llaahu alayhi was salam) is not to be checked by any of us coz we'll never understand the religion better than him, we should try and ask from scholars who knows better should we encounter any shubu'at(Unclear/ambigous issue). WaLlaahul musta'an! ...And Allaah knows best 1 Like |
Re: G by Maakhir(m): 12:14pm On Jan 06, 2015 |
AbooTasleemah1: Are you one of those e-sheikhs who barely knows any arabic, hasn't read any actual texts and likes to speak without researching anything? If so, please continue. I've read both hadith and you need to understand them in context. Allah swt himself say, there is no compulsion in deen (religion) You can read my earlier reply. |
Re: G by AbooTasleemah1(m): 12:37pm On Jan 06, 2015 |
AlhamduliLlaah that you understand them in contextual meaning but are you in anyway familiar with the explanation of the scholars? Do you want to tell us none of the salaf has ever understood it the way you do? Akhee, when it comes to ambiguity like this, we seek those who knows better... And when Allaah gave us a decree through His Prophet, we're in no position to reject it or fault it. Rejecting or criticizing it might jeopardize our state of being Muslims. WaLlaahul musta'an! |
Re: G by Maakhir(m): 12:45pm On Jan 06, 2015 |
AbooTasleemah1: Bro, If you read what I wrote I never criticised, rejected, or faulted with what the prophet said. If you can prove that I did then I will apologise and if I hurt your feelings in any way then I apologise |
Re: G by Maakhir(m): 12:47pm On Jan 06, 2015 |
Pls the Sciences of Hadith have rankings for how sahih a narration is. |
Re: G by AbooTasleemah1(m): 2:59pm On Jan 06, 2015 |
Beloved akhee, you didn't do any of those, the comment was for the poser and the post... So if I make you felt bad. As for the hadeeth, no doubt, it's muttafaqun alayhi since Imam Muslim was Imam Bukhari's student but if we search further for it's authencity we might also find it in Ibn majjah, Ibn Hiban, Tirmidhi and others as well... But the hadeeth has not been qualified as daheef by any of our salaf |
Re: G by Maakhir(m): 3:02pm On Jan 06, 2015 |
AbooTasleemah1: Okay, thanks for the answer. Dont worry you didn't offend me bro. |
Re: G by slyfox5555: 4:53pm On Jan 07, 2015 |
AbooTasleemah1: We are Muslims and follow the Quran, traditions and authentic Hadiths. Islamic jurisprudence in all Sunni Islamic schools and even Shias confirm that apostates should be killed. There is no need to sugar-coat it. However, Islamic teachings shows that such practices can only be practiced where the country and authority is purely Islamic and the "apostate" have openly declared their apostasy. In Islamic law - when you steal, your hand is cut off. When you commit fornication, your are flogged. When you leave Islam - you are killed. The rationale behind this ruling is the fact that the apostate will make other Muslims question their faith or become apostates as well. As a result, the apostate should be killed. Imagine if we lived in societies that did the same. Say we lived in a country who's religion was called "Pattonism". If you leave Pattonism, you will be killed. As a Muslim, this is an area where Islam needs reform. |
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