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What Was Your Perception Of Islam Before 9/11? by Nobody: 2:27am On Jan 09, 2015
They pointed at him and shot him despite his pleadings. I watched it, became a part of sych a tragic moment thanks to ubiquitous mobile gadgets and high speed internet.
I couldn't wrap my head around it. What could get into the head of a man and make him do that? This past Christmas, I watched as two families, one Muslim and one Christian, gathere around a table and shared meals in love and peace. It was such a Satanic meeting, full of love and cheer. Everyone had on a smile on their face. The kids played with each other, tossing chunks of food across the table to the consternation of their parents. As yet another drumstick was hurled across the table, the parents clearly had had enough and were soon at the door, waving good byes and exchanging season greetings.

Is Islam inherently violent? Is the Bible inherently violent? Is a kinfe inherently violent?
Do the actions of a minority, louder than the majority and amplified by media, truly define a fellowship?
Black comedians joked about how they felt new and free after 9/11 because the Arabs had become the new 'black'. We see a man with beards these days and we consider him a terrorist and bomb toting demon. But there was a time this wasn't so...
There was a time when Muslims were treated like every one should be; based on their actions, not their beliefs or appearance. They could carry black bags and walk alone in the airport without being thrown quick glances.
What went wrong?
Re: What Was Your Perception Of Islam Before 9/11? by Nobody: 3:02am On Jan 09, 2015
The answer u seek is clear..If u look at d world today and most of d recurring crisis recorded ,u wuld see that d muslims(not all),av started swaying from their original teachings to that of carrying arms against humans of other faiths or religions..It wasnt like this in the past as every muslim was seen as a high moral person but now,who wont be scared seeing a muslim with the rate at which some of them operate.. Take lives like they own it..They av even resulted to killing more of d sister religion jxt cause they want to make a point or force people to accept their religion..
I think they deserve d stereotyping until they come togeda and try to right their mistakes..
Re: What Was Your Perception Of Islam Before 9/11? by siegfried99(m): 3:53am On Jan 09, 2015
Hmmm lipsrsealed
Re: What Was Your Perception Of Islam Before 9/11? by ZKOSOSO(m): 5:15am On Jan 09, 2015
Long before 9/11 Islam has always been a religion that spread mainly thru the use of force of sword in bloodletting. Unlike christianity that demonstrates love, evangelism and power of God to spread, islam with attendant inferiority complex believe only in forceful conversion.
One of these two world most dominant faiths must be from the devil directly and its certainly not christianity!!
The prophet of Islam was just like that or even worse!!
Re: What Was Your Perception Of Islam Before 9/11? by Nobody: 8:59am On Jan 09, 2015
SuperMartins:
The answer u seek is clear..If u look at d world today and most of d recurring crisis recorded ,u wuld see that d muslims(not all),av started swaying from their original teachings to that of carrying arms against humans of other faiths or religions..It wasnt like this in the past as every muslim was seen as a high moral person but now,who wont be scared seeing a muslim with the rate at which some of them operate.. Take lives like they own it..They av even resulted to killing more of d sister religion jxt cause they want to make anpoint or force people to accept their religion..
I think they deserve d stereotyping until they come togeda and try to right their mistakes..
The bold was the only part of your post that was relevant to the OP. You agree to a large extent that the average Muslim wasn't always seen as a terrorist or potential suicide bomber. In the past few years, this has changed. Did Islam change? Or have the Muslims changed?
Re: What Was Your Perception Of Islam Before 9/11? by Nobody: 9:02am On Jan 09, 2015
ZKOSOSO:
Long before 9/11 Islam has always been a religion that spread mainly thru the use of force of sword in bloodletting. Unlike christianity that demonstrates love, evangelism and power of God to spread, islam with attendant inferiority complex believe only in forceful conversion.
One of these two world most dominant faiths must be from the devil directly and its certainly not christianity!!
The prophet of Islam was just like that or even worse!!
Your obviously skipped a few classes in History. Your ignorance on this issue is glaring. Go and educate yourself on the rise of Christianity and its history. Also, go through the Old Testament and read about the Ammonites, Cannanites and all other ethnic groups that were slaughtered for not believing in the God of the Bible.
Re: What Was Your Perception Of Islam Before 9/11? by Nobody: 1:30pm On Jan 09, 2015
sonOfLucifer:
They pointed at him and shot him despite his pleadings. I watched it, became a part of sych a tragic moment thanks to ubiquitous mobile gadgets and high speed internet.
I couldn't wrap my head around it. What could get into the head of a man and make him do that? This past Christmas, I watched as two families, one Muslim and one Christian, gathere around a table and shared meals in love and peace. It was such a Satanic meeting, full of love and cheer. Everyone had on a smile on their face. The kids played with each other, tossing chunks of food across the table to the consternation of their parents. As yet another drumstick was hurled across the table, the parents clearly had had enough and were soon at the door, waving good byes and exchanging season greetings.
Is Islam inherently violent? Is the Bible inherently violent? Is a kinfe inherently violent?
Do the actions of a minority, louder than the majority and amplified by media, truly define a fellowship?
Black comedians joked about how they felt new and free after 9/11 because the Arabs had become the new 'black'. We see a man with beards these days and we consider him a terrorist and bomb toting demon. But there was a time this wasn't so...
There was a time when Muslims were treated like every one should be; based on their actions, not their beliefs or appearance. They could carry black bags and walk alone in the airport without being thrown quick glances.
What went wrong?

I will answer you directly from the muslim perspective, since I believe that you are not burdened with the kind of prejudice that certain groups carry. I hope you don't mind a long teatrise, since the problem started long ago.

Islam has remained unchanged over time. Once in a while, as in any system of life, new circumstances lead to new interpretations of Islamic laws, which however, were always based on the Islamic sources of law. For a long time, muslim lands were prosperous, with the usual minor skirmishes and some christian wannabe invasions (the crusades). This situation led to the muslims loving wealth and riches and fearing battle and war. They spent their time and money on foods, wines and women.

Then the westerners came, the British, French, Belgians and Germans. They were endowed with a number of attributes that aided them in conquests of muslim lands:
- They were in constant state of war and conquests. From the Americas to the far East to Africa. They fought everyone and each other. They had an experienced and developed war machine.
- They were Christians and thus intolerant and came with a belief that they were superior. The muslims at that time were tolerant of the "people of the book". In fact, on many occasions, there was massive Jewish migration to muslim lands to escape Christian persecution. Christians on the other hand, were told that the prophet Muhammad (saw) was the antichrist and fearful stories were created around him. The words 'Turk', 'Tartar' etc came to imply evil and vice, just as Jews were pictured as cruel and money grasping and were purported to roast and eat Christian children.
Using their war machines, they rolled into 'heathen' muslim countries. This led to colonisation and plunder of resources. The braver muslims tried to fight back, people like Omar al Mukhtar al Libiyy lives on in history. However, resistance was punished with brutal cruelty on combatants as well as innocents... a concept never before understood by muslims. Muslims were told that any village that sheltered, or even failed to report resistance fighters, was culpable.
Under colonisations, the colonisers were aided and abbetted by Christian missionaries who saw the invasions as an opportunity to expand their base of operations. They built churches and schools and persecuted muslim leaders. They forced children to use non muslim names and indoctrinated many. In areas where Islam was too strong, they adopted a strategy which involved teaching Islam overtly as part of the curriculum, but using their lackeys as teachers, effectively imparting Christian view of Islam to the children, who in later life were neither here nor there, but were used to impose secularism and atheism (Attaturk and his like are glaring examples). Muslim scholars were easily able to refute the illogic of Christian doctrine of course, but many were killed or persecuted for debating or writing refutations.
Then came the zionists. Europe was feeling guilty over Hitler's atrocities. No demand could be too big for the poor persecuted Jews, many of whose leaders had provided financing to the 'allies' for WWII. British Palestine was a small token of gratitude, never mind that millions were already living there.
At first, the Arabs welcomed them with open arms. Jews had been living together with them for centuries with nothing more than an occasional spat. But the refugee influx began to alarm not only them, but the British colonisers as well. The Jews had trained resistance fighters from WWII, and set up secret underground groups, terrorising the palestinian farmers and even bombing British soldiers.
The British left the problem they had initiated and scampered away. Then came an orgy of land grabbing, tortures and killings against the Arab Palestinian indigenes. This came always with western backing. The poor Jews had been oppressed. He must not be berated.
The surrounding Arab countries were fed up. Millions of Palestinian refugees were streaming in, overloading their recently independent economies. The six day war ensued. The Jews, with military and financial help from their western admirers, expanded their territories. Christian militias were recruited to massacre muslim Arabs whom they had lived with as neighbours all their lives. Where a western ally showed reluctance, a false flag attack by the Jews would be carried out to blame the Arabs and push the attacked nation to join in with the Jews (the USS liberty is a case in point).
The Arabs went to the UN, sought recourse through legal means. The international community was unanimous. Israel could do no wrong.
Furthermore, all muslim leaders must follow Israel friendly policy and sell their newly found crude oil resources with the betterment of western advancement in mind, or else...
The new generation of muslims looked at their fathers (and still do) with scorn. They watched through decades of fruitless time wasting debates, submitting to humiliation and the rule of western imposed tyrants. They discovered that the loss of their faith was the reason for the loss of their manhood and pride.
The Islamic resurgence came suddenly. First was Iran. The west reacted by pitting their lackey in Iraq to destroy the revolution leading to the loss of many lives. The revolution in Iran prevailed. As always happens when a tyrant gets tired of his slave, the US turned on Saddam. The first Gulf war opened the eyes of many muslims. They realised that there was no Justice in the UN. That their leaders served only themselves and western interests and that Israeli peace talks were only techniques to stall for time until they found a way of getting rid of Palestinians without being blamed for genocide. Mass Islamic movements started grouping and demanding for Justice.
Many were enthusiastic, but did not know what to do, with a few exceptions. The US had been fighting the Soviets in a cold war. One front was Afghanistan. The US trained those who they referred to as "freedom fighters" and armed them to drive back the Soviets. The Soviets gone, these heroes who came from many nations went back home to meet many enthusiastic jobless youth... and these heroes certainly knew what to do. The CIA had taught them the art of terrorising the enemy. The use of weapons. Muslims were now re armed and trained. Al Qaeda demanded for justice for Palestine, they asked that the US vacate their bases from muslim lands, they wanted assurances that Clinton would no longer bomb mosques in Afghanistan or Pharmaceutical companies in Sudan, or Libyan children of Ghaddafi just to cover up Lewinsky's stained lips.
There was no response, and 9/11 happened. Army assets had been hit before by alQaeda, but never civilians on US soil. That Islam prohibits the killing of enemy non combatants was not an issue. The CIA had trained them to hit their enemy any which way. Anyway, the Israelis had always stated that they did not accept the concept of 'enemy non combatant'; any enemy was enemy. So they attacked civilians.
The western backed media; following the narrative of "with us or against us", sold the lie that the 'terrorists' (aka freedom fighters previously), hated the freedoms found in the West. Any one could see Beyoncé's midrif if he liked... she was not compelled to wear a niqab. Muslims did not want anyone to have the right to see that midrif.
The story then continued. More attacks on 'terrorists', bred more terrorists to attack to breed more terrorists to attack... There was an exponential rise in recruitment. Copy cat groups in Africa, and lone wolf warriors decided that they wanted to do that too. So they did. The media hyped up the fear. Muslims with beards could be hiding a bomb... never mind that none of the 9/11 hijackers had beards or that no terrorist will try to board a plane with a full beard; he would shave it first and wear a crucifix around his neck to boot.
I guess this brings us to today. The reason is that muslim fearsomeness has been ramped up by the press. Any hint of a nation wanting to implement the Sharia (such as Somalia), immedeately invites invasion from bribed neighbouring stooges. And the muslims who have little or no patience see that violence is the only option, creating more media hype and more fear of muslims.... ad infinitum.

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Re: What Was Your Perception Of Islam Before 9/11? by Nobody: 12:50am On Jan 13, 2015
Thank you Abuamam. I agree it is a long post, but it is quite an educative one. I will revert as soon as I am leas busy.
Re: What Was Your Perception Of Islam Before 9/11? by Nobody: 1:11pm On Jan 18, 2015
sonOfLucifer:
Thank you Abuamam. I agree it is a long post, but it is quite an educative one. I will revert as soon as I am leas busy.

Nobody is asking you to. Purely a sociological response.
Re: What Was Your Perception Of Islam Before 9/11? by Nobody: 12:41am On Jan 23, 2015
Abuamam:


Nobody is asking you to. Purely a sociological response.
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