Sorry people. Somehow I missed out the weblink to the King David Hotel bombing in 1946 and the Zionist still celebrating of their achievement (60 years after). The picture of the debris of the building is shown by the right

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_Bombing

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,251-2277717,00.html

@Gist,
Thanks for your research and the quotations. However, the theme of yourwrite-up and research is "political" causes of terror acts, rather than the more appropriate deeper "theological" root which is rather germaine to the context of this particular topic discussion i.e Is terrorism a muslim problem?. Now let's take a look at one of your quotations

"The Crusades were a series of military campaigns conducted "in the name of Christendom" and usually sanctioned by the Pope. They were military campaigns "of a religious character" typically characterized as being waged against pagans, heretics, Muslims or those under the ban of excommunication. When originally conceived, the aim was to recapture Jerusalem and the Holy Land from the Muslims "while supporting the Byzantine Empire" against the "ghazwat" of the Seljuq expansion into Anatolia, "

If you look at the portions of the quotation which I highlighted, you will 'see' and agree with my position, that even the authors know and expressed that the 'crusades' were only conducted in the "name of christianity" but indeed were political. The Pope then was recgonised not just as spiritual leader but also political. The crusades were political in the primary sense to gain land, political influence for Roman Empire.

While, I agree that terrorim is terrorism once the act fulfils the standard 'definition' as displayed, regardless of who carries it out; for the purpose of this 'theocratic ideology' question, it suffices to ask whether the Irguns did carry out their attack on the King David hotel "in the name of Yahweh or Yeshua? No! they did not, it was a political statement against the British for their various atrocities against Jews: including (1) contributing to the extermination of Jews all over Europe by preventing the 'maa palim' (i.e Jewish immigrants who wanted to escape from Europe) from escaping or reaching Israel in the Ha'apalah (i.e. "illegal" immigration' by british standard, but an escape by the jews) using the Royal Navy blockade of Jewish immigrant ships on high seas and sending them back to Europe to almost certain death; (2) sending jewish immigrants to various prison camps around the world including in cyprus, mauritius; (3) tactly supporting the Palestinians gaining control of the British army in the then "Eretz Israel" (i.e occupied Israel) formerly called Palestine; and so on. However, regardless of the reason, note that I am not supporting or justifying the action; but Was it carried out in the Name of Christian God, Judaism, Yahweh or Yeshua? Again NO! Furthermore, since when has it become 'unjust' to defend yourself or seek to destroy the leadership of those who have made a covenant to wipe you out? Dont make Israel look like the aggressor with your 'politically-correct' article detailing the so-called atrocities againt the Palestine, while ignoring the ignoble campaing of Islam-sanctioned suicide-bombing against Jews/Israel. Believe me, I will rejoice the day when (not "if" Hassan Nasrallah (Hezbollah leader), Osama bin Laden, the current Hamas leader, etc are killed; just like Sheikh Yasin, (the former wheel-chair bound leader of Hamas) and Mustapha al-Zaqawi (of al-qaeda in Iraq); unless they renounce their hate campaign, recognise Israel's right to exist and agree to sit-down to an amicable solution like right-thinking peoples do.

The action of the Irgun in 1946 or the current self-defence by Israel are strictly political and were/are amenable to political solutions; it cannot be compared to the Islam-sanctioned terror killing, Jihad, matrydom as can be seen from the quoted scriptures from the quran showing promises of 'rewards' for such terror action from the muslim god called allah in 'al-jannat'. Do you now get the theme why 'Terrorism is a muslim problem' or rather more appropriately "It is an Islamic problem or ideology." How can it be solved politically?

In answer to your earlier question;

gists:

Is Terrorism A Muslim Problem? NO, Why?

Terrorism is a Muslim ideology and command!

gists:

First of all, can we proof that there are no terrorism acts before Islam came into being? If you remember, the Isrealites were Terrorised by Pharaoh in Eygpt for about 40 (or is it 400)years! Now don't tell me that he got the instruction from the Qur'an like you're suggesting all terrorists use as their justification. It was also reported that Moses killed an Egyptian. Again, this couldn't have been inspired by Islam.

Dear @gist, i quite understand your inability to point to any valid demonstration of terrorism outside Islamic inspired violence, but to go down more than 4000 years ago to dredge up an alleged act of terrorism is ludicrous! How do you propose to judge an act 4000yrs back by 21st century standards?
It is clear that ONLY muslims have continued and will continue to terrorise the world in the name of a non-existent blood thirsty potentate!

gists:

Now more recently, there have been many terror attacks all over the world. But somehow its seems the one done by some group of people (I don't want to call them muslims just like christians will not call everybody who profess the name of Jesus as christians) catch the attention most. But why should that be?

Here you are only being mischievous or downright decietful! What separates the muslim terrorist from organised crime is the fact that violence and acts of terrorism are not only condoned and encouraged in the Quran, they are infact extolled as the fastest route to the fantasy land of spiritual hedonism popular known as jannat. Martyrs (more accurately labelled terrorists) are heroes in Islamic enclaves, children aged 3 are already being taught the spiritual benefits of terrorism!
We do not call all those who call on Jesus as Christians because the bible CATEGORICALLY states: "by their fruits ye shall know them". The bible is clear as regards its stand on violence, even ordinary hate is condemned in strong terms. Those who take their own lives DO NOT have a part in eternal life!
On the other hand, a cursory look at the quran indicates that those who actually commit acts of terrorism in the name of Allah are the TRUE muslims! To attempt to cast terrorists as NOT muslims is merely being economical with the truth!

gists:

   Let's go on a brief excursion into pre-history. I’m talking about June 20, 2006, when Israeli aircraft fired at least one missile at a car in an attempted extrajudicial assassination attempt on a road between Jabalya and Gaza City. The missile missed the car. Instead it killed three Palestinian children and wounded 15.
   Back we go again to June 13, 2006. Israeli aircraft fired missiles at a van in another attempted extrajudicial assassination. The successive barrages killed nine innocent Palestinians.
Now we're really in the dark ages, reaching far, far back to June 9, 2006, when Israel shelled a beach in Beit Lahiya killing eight civilians and injuring 32.
That's just a brief trip down Memory Lane, and we trip over the bodies of twenty dead and forty-seven wounded, all of them Palestinians, most of them women and children, "[/b]
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2928
Common Dreams organisation

Just in case you are also down a memory hole, let me remind you of the "innocent" acts of your fellow muslim brethren!
1,126 people have been killed by Palestinian violence and terrorism since September 2000.
Between September 29, 2000 and May 1, 2006, Magen David Adom treated a total of 7,844 casualties as follows:
999 killed, 642 severely injured, 940 moderately, and 5,263 lightly injured, among them 11 MDA staff members.
(IDF casualties treated by IDF medical personnel are not included in these figures.)
Note: This list also includes 18 Israelis killed abroad in terror attacks directed specifically against Israeli targets, and 3 American diplomatic personnel killed in Gaza.
Sept 29, 2000 - Border Police Supt. Yosef Tabeja, 27, of Ramle was shot to death by his Palestinian counterpart on a joint patrol near Kalkilya.

Oct 2, 2000 - Wichlav Zalsevsky, 24, of Ashdod, was shot in the head in the village of Masha on the trans-Samaria highway.
Sgt. Max Hazan, 20, of Dimona, died of gunshot injuries sustained near Beit Sahur.

Oct 8, 2000 - The bullet-riddled body of Hillel Lieberman, 36, of Elon Moreh was found at the southern entrance to Nablus.

Oct 12, 2000 - First Cpl. Yosef Avrahami and First Sgt. Vadim Norzhich, 33, two reserve IDF soldiers, were lynched by a Palestinian mob at the police building in Ramallah.

Oct 19, 2000 - Rabbi Binyamin Herling, 64, of Kedumim, was killed when Fatah members and Palestinian security forces opened fire on a group of Israeli men, women, and children on a trip at Mount Ebal near Nablus.

Oct 28, 2000 - The body of Marik Gavrilov, 25, of Bnei Aysh was found inside his burned-out car, between the village of Bitunia and Ramallah.

Oct 30, 2000 - Eish-Kodesh Gilmor, 25, of Mevo Modi'in, was shot and killed while on duty as a security guard at the National Insurance Institute's East Jerusalem branch. Another guard was injured.
Amos Machlouf, 30, of the Gilo neighborhood in Jerusalem, was found murdered in a ravine near Beit Jala.

Nov 2, 2000 - Ayelet Shahar Levy, 28, and Hanan Levy, 33, were killed in a car bomb explosion near the Mahane Yehuda market in Jerusalem. 10 people were injured in the blast. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

Nov 8, 2000 - Noa Dahan, 25, of Moshav Mivtahim in the south, was shot to death while driving to her job at the Rafah border crossing in Gaza.

Nov 13, 2000 - Sarah Leisha, 42, of Neveh Tzuf was killed by gunfire from a passing car while travelling near Ofra, north of Ramallah.
Cpl. Elad Wallenstein, 18, of Ashkelon, and Cpl. Amit Zanna, 19, of Netanya were killed by gunfire from a car passing the military bus carrying them near Ofra.

Nov 13, 2000 - Gabi Zaghouri, 36, of Netivot was killed by gunfire directed at the truck he was driving near the Kissufim junction in the southern part of the Gaza Strip.

Nov 18, 2000 - St.-Sgt. Baruch (Snir) Flum, 21, of Tel-Aviv was shot and killed by a senior Palestinian Preventive Security Service officer who infiltrated the Kfar Darom greenhouses in the Gaza Strip.

Nov 20, 2000 - Miriam Amitai, 35, and Gavriel Biton, 34, b

gists:

Attack Iran the Day Iraq War Ends, Demands Israel (Quote of ISRAEL’S Prime Minister Ariel Sharon even though Iran hasn't done anything except that it plans to generate electricty from neucler and IAEA has up till today yet to find any diversion to making nuclear bombs)
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1105-02.htm

Indeed, perhaps your memory hole has emboldened you to claim that "Iran has done nothing", except planning to generate electricity (we all know it is a nuclear weapon so lets all cut the political correctness crap!) from nuclear energy!
Let me remind you of the Iran you are talking about:
"Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury". - President Ahmadinejad
"Our dear Imam (referring to Ayatollah Khomeini) said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world. But we must be aware of tricks." - President Ahmadinejad

gists:

As for the attacks in the north, unfortunately most of the early contributors seems to have closed their eyes to the fact that even muslims who are not northerners also suffer the same fate. So, of all the Quranic verses you have qouted earlier in the thread which one can justify this barbaric act? And Yet again you failed to mension that their were repraisal attacks by christians in the south!

Yes we are all well aware of the fact that northern muslims refer to southern muslims as Kaffirs! They kill southern muslims simply because they do not regard them as practicing pure islam!
As regards your request for the quranic verses:
Quran-2:216, Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you  
47:4-  “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight),  strike off their heads;  at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”

Find out whats going on in Northern Ireland and you'll see that terrorism is not a muslim problem.

BTW, we need to define terrorism!

God bles u my brother.
TERRORISM IS NOT AM MUSLIM ROBLEM!!!

Easyy:

Find out whats going on in Northern Ireland and you'll see that terrorism is not a muslim problem.

BTW, we need to define terrorism!

like what?

"One mans Terrorist is another mans Martyr"

JosBoy4Lif:

"One mans Terrorist is another mans Martyr"

which equals 72 full bossomed 9 year old virgins

. . .plus rivers flowing with all assortments of liqour and heineken.

You hit the nail right on the head, Sista.

haywhy:

God bles u my brother.
TERRORISM IS NOT AM MUSLIM ROBLEM!!!

you can say that from now till tomorrow, but they won't believe you. As for me I'm tired of saying it. Just waiting to see when this thread would take a nap

babyosisi:

like what?

Go and read up on Northern Ireland and the politics there

babyosisi:

which equals 72 full bossomed 9 year old virgins

No wonder even their unborn generations will develop a hatred for you

NO ONE HERE SEEMS WILLING TO DEFINE TERRORISM FOR ME 

Surely, someone must have a dictionary

TERRORISM

According to webster is the systematic use of terror (a state of intense fear) especially as a means of coercion.

But also according to some Nairalanders, Terrrorism is an act only committed by muslims . In other words when you hear the word terrorism, you should think muslims.


Ok people choose the definition you like.

I choose websters definition.

Israelis commit terrorist acts everyday killing Palestinian children just as Palestinians commit terrorist acts by blowing up people in suicide bombings.

Logical is the only one in this whole thread that has made any sense. Christain nations like the US to this day commit acts of terrorism in the guise of nation states. Just look at the US in Iraq. Thats terrorism. Or what it plans to do in Iran. Terrorism isnt just religious based.

nilla:

TERRORISM

According to webster is the systematic use of terror (a state of intense fear) especially as a means of coercion.

But also according to some Nairalanders, Terrrorism is an act only committed by muslims . In other words when you hear the word terrorism, you should think muslims.


Ok people choose the definition you like.

I choose websters definition.

God bless you for helping us out here.

I now await people to start justifying their accusations by lining them up against the definition of terrorism.

I want to state that
*suicide bombers are terrorists because they want to instil fear in others
*Israel is a terrorist state because it seeks to terrorise Palestinians into giving up        their land
*George Bush is a terrorist because he seeks to use intense fear to coerce everyone else into agreeing with him.

We can all list who we think fits that bill and consider whether they are all muslims.

lol

Reasoning withh dimwitted morons intent on perpetuating lies, half truths and islamofacist propaganda is an excercise in futility!

Reasoning withh dimwitted morons intent on perpetuating lies, half truths and islamofacist propaganda is an excercise in futility!

Davidylan,
wetin dey vex you

I guess we are all futile creatures David, Good one man !
All Muslims are bad, All Christians are good
Islam Preachers Bad, Christianity Teaches Good
There am I a genious in your books now !
Narrowmindedness is a sign of futility too !

@Josboy4life,

lol
how you dey? Howz Aten ?

Hey nilla, am fine
How is you doin?

JosBoy4Lif:

I guess we are all futile creatures David, Good one man !
All Muslims are bad, All Christians are good
Islam Preachers Bad, Christianity Teaches Good
There am I a genious in your books now !
Narrowmindedness is a sign of futility too !

Narrowmindedness: Refusal to admit to the politically correct falsehood that aims to exonerate muslims from their moral burden of terrorism in the name of religious tolerance!

Attempting to rub minds with ostriches whose heads are firmly buried in the sand is but an excercise in stupidity!

JosBoy4Lif:

Hey nilla, am fine
How is you doin?

doing great

I missed you!
Are you writing your exams soon?
So what do you think about: Terroism is only Muslim problem?

I missed you!
Are you writing your exams soon?

lol.
missed you too
I'm done with my exams so i'm pretty happy

So what do you think about: Terroism is only Muslim problem?

It is not a muslim problem

Thank You for being true
Lucky you, I have 6 exams all next week
Ill be ok though

JosBoy4Lif:

Thank You for being true
Lucky you, I have 6 exams all next week
Ill be ok though

ha! you better get off nairaland right now, and be back next weekend.

You know, reading through replies of this thread and i see peops answering the question, " Is Terrorism A Muslim Problem? " with a "NO", they usually leave a question hanging in the air. . . .


Why do YOU say terrorism is NOT a muslim problem?

@davidylan (can I call you dav?)
"i quite understand your inability to point to any valid demonstration of terrorism outside Islamic inspired violence, but to go down more than 4000 years ago to dredge up an alleged act of terrorism is ludicrous!"

I expect you to figure it out that the idea was to go as far back in time as possible to show acts of terrorism even before the advent of christianity let alone islam. If you think its ridiculous, well you're entitled to your opinion

"Here you are only being mischievous or downright decietful!"
Dav, thank you for quoting the Qur'an correctly (God bless for doing that). Actually, here's another one you missed out:
Q8:15 "O ye who believe! When you meet those who disblieve, in a battlefield, never turn your back on them." (in other words confront them in the battlefield and fight)

If you look at 47:4 which you quoted  above very well, it says "IN FIGHT". The one I just helped you with says "IN A BATTLEFIELD". Now tell me, were the victims of 911; July-7 and Madrid train in fight when their lives were cut short? Nope. Since when did the WTC, London and Madrid trains became battlefields? In other words they did not act in accordance with the Holy Qur'an! So how does that verses apply to them? Do you now see that I'm not being mischievous? I maintain my position & not being decietful, about my reservation for calling them muslims.

"Yes we are all well aware of the fact that northern muslims refer to southern muslims as Kaffirs!"
I don't know you have such powers to read the minds of the Northerners as to what they think of the southern muslim victims. We all know dav, that it was politically motivated and not cos they think southerners are kafirs (unbelievers). It is known that the northerners are big consumers of alcohol in Nigeria (a substance clearly prohibited in Islam and Qur'an). Why don't they go on killing their own brothers who take alcohol if they truly want to get rid of kafirs (afterall Islam teaches us to do justice even if it directly affects your brother!). And again you have failed to recognise the repraisal attacks by the christiians in the south (sorry, I guess they were just reacting and not biblically inspired-which is true. But like Havila said above "I agree that terrorim is terrorism once the act fulfils the standard 'definition' as displayed, regardless of who carries it out".

The question is why did the Qur'an ask them to fight even when they "disliked" it? Truth is they would have died if they didn't fight!!I wonder why they didn't like it- their lives was at stake! A very brief summery: The first batlle took place in Badr very close to Meddina. They were persecuted and murdered in Mecca so they fled to Meddina. The reason for their persecution was just because they proclaimed that God is one. Just because they refused to and also persuaded the Meccan pegans to stop worshipping idols and serve the true God, etc. They could not even make calls to prayer in public let alone praying in public! When the persecusion became unbearable they left their hometown Mecca and headed for Meddina (a town with a sizable population of christians and jews, why didn't they fight their hosts?). However, they were soon to be pursued again from the very people whom they have fled to avoid conflict. Then those verses you quoted came to them to put up a fight for themselves (it was obvoius that if they had't, they'll keep running and it was just a matter of time before they got cornered by their enemies).

"Just in case you are also down a memory hole, let me remind you of the "innocent" acts of your fellow muslim brethren!"
Like I said I agree with Havila: terrorism is terrorism. The victims you listed didn't deserve to die neigther did the ones I earlier listed. We both can go on and on listing cases, but the effort will be futile. Trying to exonerate Israel from terror acts is completely unjust to say the least. I came across some Israeli organisations some thime ago, whom themselves accepts the fact that their nation was built on terror acts (ask yourself why would a Jewish group accept such a guilt in favour of Palestine? B'cos its the truth) One of such organisation goes by the name jews for Justice in the Middle East. They even published a paper titled "The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict". The preface goes thus:

"As the periodic bloodshed continues in the Middle East, the search for an equitable solution must come to grips with the root cause of the conflict. The conventional wisdom is that, even if both sides are at fault, the Palestinians are irrational "terrorists" who have no point of view worth listening to. Our position, however, is that the Palestinians have a real grievance: their homeland for over a thousand years was taken, without their consent and mostly by force, during the creation of the state of Israel. And all subsequent crimes - on both sides - inevitably follow from this original injustice."
http://www.cactus48.com/truth.html

Their conclusion:
"As we have seen, the root cause of the Palestine-Israel conflict is clear. During the 1948 war, 750,000 Palestinians fled in terror or were actively expelled from their ancestral homeland and turned into refugees. The state of Israel then refused to allow them to return and either destroyed their villages entirely or expropriated their land, orchards, houses, businesses and personal possessions for the use of the Jewish population. This was the birth of the state of Israel.

We know it is hard to accept emotionally, but in this case the Jewish people are in the wrong.We took most of Palestine by force from the Arabs and blamed the victims for resisting their dispossession,  "
http://www.cactus48.com/conclusionI.html


@Havila,
That was very intelligent of you to have noticed my path of reasoning was political. Actually, I tot of not taking that path, but then I asked myself can you really separate religion from politics? We're also on the same side when you said "I agree that terrorim is terrorism once the act fulfils the standard 'definition' as displayed, regardless of who carries it out"

O.k the "series" of crusades where political and so christianity cannot be held accountable -agreed at least for the sake of this debate. How then can you hold Islam accountable just because Hamas, Hezbollah perform terrorist act against israel (in retaliation, see my response to dav's comments above) on issues of West bank, Gaza, Shaba farm etc. You'll agree with me that all these are also political so the blame should not rest on Islam.

That was a great gist. We very much welcome your contribution brother.

belloti:

That was a great gist. We very much welcome your contribution brother.

Asallam Alykum Belloti. I must really commend you, mukina2 and Bro Olabowale (and even nilla for standing up for what she believes without getting bullied) for adequately defending Islam. You guys did a great job. May God continue to increase you in wisdom and knowledge (Amin)