YourNemesis:


Not all Itsekiris also came from the West.
moreso the British clearly documented Itsekiris/Jekris as Aboriginals to the Warri (Ouere), Escravos and Benin river regions and stated clearly that the Sobos were to be found further inland. The Itsekiris were the middlemen between the inland Sobos and the coast. They have clearly been there for a long long time indeed.
The Ijaws might be the first settlers in the Delta, but that does not mean their original homeland covered ALL the delta, uness you want to tell me a place like Sapele for example which is clearly in the Delta region is Ijaw land.

This argument is futile but I'll just present the basic stands of Urhobo nation
1. Urhobos are aboriginals of Okere and Agbassa-Warri
2. Urhobos are aboriginals of Warri South LGA until they are given a different LGA or merged with Udu or Uvwie
3. Olu of Warri has no control over Urhobo and its territories in Warri
4. The title, Olu of Warri, is an aberration and should be changed or the name of the LGAs be changed
5. Itsekiris should stop marginalising Urhobos in Warri South LGA


Other than these premises, Urhobos have no other case with Itsekiris.

fratermathy:


This argument is futile but I'll just present the basic stands of Urhobo nation
1. Urhobos are aboriginals of Okere and Agbassa-Warri
2. Urhobos are aboriginals of Warri South LGA until they are given a different LGA or merged with Udu or Uvwie
3. Olu of Warri has no control over Urhobo and its territories in Warri
4. The title, Olu of Warri, is an aberration and should be changed or the name of the LGAs be changed
5. Itsekiris should stop marginalising Urhobos in Warri South LGA

Other than these premises, Urhobos have no other case with Itsekiris.

The case of Urhobos in Warri South can be likened to that of a steady stream of migrants into an area over decades, who have with time gained the required numerical strength and establishment to drag entitlements with the original occupants... same things Hausas are doing in Jos North.
If every Urhobo in Warri city migrate back to where they came from there would be fewer than 10,000 of them left in Warri proper.... They would all go back to various locales in Udu, Uvwie, Okpe, Ugheli N/S, Ethiope E/W and Sapele.... While the itsekiris will remain where?..... Guess.
The Three Warri LGAs.
As for the title of the Kingship, the Itsekiris are free to call it whatever they like, after all it is their title. The Urhobo have their own kingships in their adjoining parts of the warri metropolis.

fratermathy:


Like I said, I'm not in the mood for petty squabbles that won't put food on my table or favour me in any way. I have better things to do and leave such to those who haven't seen real wars.

If you accept that Urhobos are migrant, same logic must be imposed on Ilaje, now Itsekiri, migrants. In the final analysis, Itsekiris can't chase any group from Warri and vice versa. They just have to stop claiming aboriginals as if their father built the lands.

Semper fi

Why do you keep alternating Ilajes and Itsekkiris... the two groups are not the same, so I don't know why you keep alternating both. Its like saying Binis and Esans. Why won't they claim aboriginals.... Who did they meet there? Sobos?
Itsekiris can not "chase" aybody from Warri, hold una area make i hol ma own.

fratermathy:

I'll keep alternating Ilaje with Itsekiri because that's who they are. I wonder where Jekri later came from.

Itsekiris are quite a funny people. Instead of you guys to be concerned with pertinent issues like your slowly dying language and culture, you keep dragging lands like Medieval people.

I'm done with this.

It is "slowly dying" no thanks to Ijaw and Urhobo migrants into the Warri LGs ..... who have made exclusive communication in itsekiri a herculean task. Dying language no be new thing, but relinquishing ancestral lands to outside forces? Nah nah.... These people want to relegate Itsekiri land to just Warri North.. while they keep all their own traditional lGs intact. Ijaws have Burutu, Bomadi, and Patani to themselves, and have also managed to corner the LG headquarter of Warri SW to Ogbe Ijo through Bloodshed and terrorism. The Urhobos and Isokos have 11 LGAs to themselves... but both groups still want to be dragging Warri South with has been ancestrally Itsekiri from time immemorial with Itsekiris.

The Oyibos were not stupid people they were excellent ethnographers knew Nigeria more than the natives who lived in it and knew what groups lived where. They clearly labeled what areas belonged to what group. Look very well, the original city core of Warri has always been in Warri division separate from the Adjacent urhobo areas.

fratermathy:


Not all Urhobos came from Benin. For instance, some of the Ughelli South Urhobos are related to Ijaw and studies show that IJAWS are the first settlers in the Delta. If anyone is to lay claim to Warri, trust me, Ijaws have the vantage point. Ijaws have been in the Delta far longer than any other tribe.

The Urhobos who left Udo, in Benin, settled in their land hundreds of years before Ilaje migrants, now Itsekiris, came for fishing and commercial activities. Urhobos have never laid claim to the whole of Warri but simply where their homelands are. Itsekiris are the ones boiling blood over Warri issue. Let them eat the title since it's food but to lay claim to aboriginal ownership of Warri is an aberration.

abeg tell them!!! I am from udu and udu was an ijaw woman... my people like many other urhobos did NOT migrate from Benin...

YourNemesis:


Not all Itsekiris also came from the West.
Moreso the early Portuguese and British clearly documented Itsekiris/Jekris as Aboriginals to the Warri (Ouere), Escravos and Benin river regions and stated clearly that the Sobos were to be found further inland. The Itsekiris were the middlemen between the inland Sobos and the coast. They have clearly been there for a long long time indeed.
The Ijaws might be the first settlers in the Delta, but that does not mean their original homeland covered ALL the delta, uness you want to tell me a place like Sapele for example which is clearly in the Delta region is Ijaw land.

I understand that the "Warri' of today has expanded into a metropolis covering more land , mostly Urhobo land. That is not the issue here, Itsekiris are not dragging urhobo settlements in Warri with them. All the want is their ancestral lands in Warri. Mostly the original city core. The sensitivity of Itsekiris towards the Warri issue only makes sense. Even King solomon in the Bible was able to know which mother owned the living child by judging their attitudes. I won't take it easy if someone is trying to tamper with my ancestral heritage. Neither will you.

your argument lacks depth... the Portuguese arrived in the 1500s and if they met the itsekiris first doesn't automatically validate the authenticity of itsekiris being the original Aborigines of the areas they visited...

at least to your credit you are one of the few itsekiris who admit that warri has other Aborigines aside from your people.... a fact which many itsekiris are in denial over. urhobos have never said itsekiris do not own any part of warri. it is itsekiris that keep trying to force that claim down our throats!

YourNemesis:


It is "slowly dying" no thanks to Ijaw and Urhobo migrants into the Warri LGs ..... who have made exclusive communication in itsekiri a herculean task. Dying language no be new thing, but relinquishing ancestral lands to outside forces? Nah nah.... These people want to relegate Itsekiri land to just Warri North.. while they keep all their own traditional lGs intact. Ijaws have Burutu, Bomadi, and Patani to themselves, and have also managed to corner the LG headquarter of Warri SW to Ogbe Ijo through Bloodshed and terrorism. The Urhobos and Isokos have 11 LGAs to themselves... but both groups still want to be dragging Warri South with has been ancestrally Itsekiri from time immemorial with Itsekiris.

The Oyibos were not stupid people they were excellent ethnographers knew Nigeria more than the natives who lived in it and knew what groups lived where. They clearly labeled what areas belonged to what group. Look very well, the original city core of Warri has always been in Warri division separate from the Adjacent urhobo areas.

that's a self deprecating low blow that smacks of desperation.... so the white man who came centuries after these places were populated are the final authority on the history of your own people? I wonder if you would say that if their "findings" had fingered your people as the late comers they really were to warri. btw the so called never wrong white men posited that ode itsekiri ( big warri) and not warri metropolis as the ancestral home of your people. warri metropolis was a planned city that encompassed lands from mostly urhobos and itsekiri communities.

Samneer:
I think the Itsekiri... Ijaws are fishermen

i tire for them.

sylve11:


i tire for them.

its is very stupid of people like you not to know that the whole three WARRI region is a riverine domain.

YourNemesis:


It is "slowly dying" no thanks to Ijaw and Urhobo migrants into the Warri LGs ..... who have made exclusive communication in itsekiri a herculean task. Dying language no be new thing, but relinquishing ancestral lands to outside forces? Nah nah.... These people want to relegate Itsekiri land to just Warri North.. while they keep all their own traditional lGs intact. Ijaws have Burutu, Bomadi, and Patani to themselves, and have also managed to corner the LG headquarter of Warri SW to Ogbe Ijo through Bloodshed and terrorism. The Urhobos and Isokos have 11 LGAs to themselves... but both groups still want to be dragging Warri South with has been ancestrally Itsekiri from time immemorial with Itsekiris.

The Oyibos were not stupid people they were excellent ethnographers knew Nigeria more than the natives who lived in it and knew what groups lived where. They clearly labeled what areas belonged to what group. Look very well, the original city core of Warri has always been in Warri division separate from the Adjacent urhobo areas.

don't mind them bro. Are Itsekiris in their so call delta central not more than Urhobos and ijaws in WARRI? They will never talk of that, yet they won't let us hear word in WARRI. This is the provincial map of the then WARRI province. This is the same period olu was forced to bear OLU OF ITSEKIRI by the British so that it will not seem the Olu was the king of the whole region call delta state today. But AWOLOWO later change the title to its normal title OLU OF WARRI and change the name of the province to Delta province for peace to reign. Still they are still ranting. There are four ethnic groups in the map and there is no word call ITSEKIRI here. Then who are the people refers to as WARRI here if not the Itsekiri people?. They are ranting that the OLU doesn't lord over WARRI.is king still ruling? hell no! So don't expect king to be given you order for you to obey rather political office holder which are subject of the king are the ones given order of which is the local government chairman of WARRI south a subject of the OLU is the one in control not king anymore. Kind are like ceremonial head today. The federal house of rep. has always been an Itsekiri. This shows Itsekiris are the one controlling the affairs of WARRI politics