tonychristopher:


That's why Africa is so bleeped up

Yeah but part of the brainwashing too is done by the west. They don't want to see the African continent progress. Many Africans think the west (especially America) is on their side. They couldn't be more wrong.

curi00:

I didn't know Hausa is the main language, you're lucky to speak Fulfulde because me I was born in France and grew up there, I can only speak French unfortunately.

Hausa is the main language of Niger Republic and Northern Nigeria. Hundreds of ethnic groups speak it fluently as a second language like the Toubou (Tebu), Zarma/Djerma (Sonrai/Songhai), Fulani/Peuls, Touareg, minor Mande groups living in the region, Beri-beri (Kanuri), Bute/Vute, etc etc.

Fulaman198:


You should have some friends teach you how to speak Wolof (assuming you are Wolof). Start watching TV shows in only Wolof, etc. I think it's very important that Africans know their respective languages.

You are right but you forgot, I'm not Wolof that's what people assume when you say you are senegalese lol, it's like Senegal=Wolof

curi00:

You are right but you forgot, I'm not Wolof that's what people assume when you say you are senegalese lol, it's like Senegal=Wolof

Are you Fulani (Pullo)?

Fulaman198:


Are you Fulani (Pullo)?

Mandingo, Peul, Maure Darmanko and Arab. That's why I said Senegalese/Mauritanian is more simple.
I know more about Mandingo and Arab sides but I'm trying to reconnect with the 2 others.

curi00:


Mandingo, Peul, Maure Darmanko and Arab. That's why I said Senegalese/Mauritanian is more simple.
I know more about Mandingo and Arab sides but I'm trying to reconnect with the 2 others.

Oh ok got it, you are a combination of many things

Fulaman198:


Oh ok got it, you are a combination of many things

Yes all of these ethnicities are represented in Senegal.

curi00:

Yes all of these ethnicities are represented in Senegal.

Correct and Mauritania

Fulaman198:


Correct and Mauritania

Except Mandingo, they aren't in Mauritania.

Do Fulani that only speak Hausa in Nigeria consider themselves Fulani or Hausa ?

curi00:
Hey,

I found your question kind of weird.
I dont understand why Hausa-Fulani is always put together.
Fulani have their own identity and they are in several African countries while Hausa is just in Nigeria.
I was born in France and still live there, my origins are senegalese/mauritanian (sorry for my bad english) and before surfing on web, I've never heard about Hausa.
From what I learnt, many Fulani and Hausa did intermarry with each others, both are muslims and live on northern Nigeria but there is nothing special about that because I can say the same thing for Serer-Fulani in Senegal, Fulani-Malinke in Guinea, etc...but they are not seen as one group.

Anytime you're asked, which tribe you are from, most of time you just say your father tribe even if your mother is from another tribe but I've seen many nigerians saying hausa-fulani as it is one group.

Here are my questions, do all Nigerians see Hausa-Fulani as one tribe ?
Are they aware this "new identity" is only limited to Nigeria because outside Fulani are completly their own group even if they did intermarry with others tribes ?

Thank you for your answers

My friend. As a Nigerian, from the central part of the country. I'd tell u that there is one reason why hausas and fulanis are usually classified together as one. There is a reason for it and whosoever will tell u that there is no reasonable or justifiable reason for this is lying to u.

Fulanis in Nigeria actually do not have their own defined homeland. They came much later to Nigeria and their settlements thrived on islamic conquest.
The larger population of fulanis settled in Hausa land and took over power in hausa land by the islamic jihad launched by Danfodio which he claimed he wanted to purify the corrupt kind of islam the hausas were practicing then.
As time went by, the hausas gradually linguistically and culturally absorbed most of the fulanis in their midst. This is where that unity, oneness and joint identity came from because majority of the fulanis in Nigeria now became linguistically and cuturally hausas.

Although we have some other fulanis in Nigeria who did not settle in Hausa land, rather they settled to the south eastern parts of hausaland where u have a lot of minority groups. They conquered and displaced some of these minority groups and founded large emirates and towns in these places. These are the fulanis of northern nigeria who managed to retain their identity, culture and language of which FULAMAN is one of them. These fulanis are mostly under the North-eastern part of the Nigeria and they are fewer compared to the hausanized fulanis in the North-western part of Nigeria.

So i now believe u get the reason for the identity HAUSA-FULANIS in Nigeria?
Majority of d fulanis in Nigeria were hausanized, and their population was too large to just be ignored and brand all of them as hausas. Also, the hausanized fulanis considered it a prestige to retain their identity somehow even though they lost their language n culture because of the influence they have all over northern Nigeria as rulers of most emirates and the sultanate.

Fulaman198:


::Facepalm:: icon.

There is no such thing as a Hausa-Fulani. You are either Hausa or Fulani. You talk about the North's ignorance, however, it's quite apparent that the South is quite ignorant as well.

Yes there is hausa-fulani because most of the fulanis in Nigeria were absorbed. Hausanized fulanis were the reason for this identity and classification.

Fulaman198:


Yoruba Muslims are not inferior, and whilst there are some fellow Northerners who may think so, in the Qu'ran, in Gods' eyes we are all the same regardless of our respective beliefs. God does not see anyone differently. Whether you are rich, whether you are poor, whether you are Fulani, whether you are Yoruba, whether you are blind, whether you can see, we are all equals.

Yoruba muslims may not be inferior as u claim but to majority of hausa-fulani muslims they are inferior and u cant deny that.
Infact racial superiority is practiced all over the islamic world. It is obvious to all and i hate it when muslims usually try to deny this fact

IkpuMmadu:


It I
Is unfortunate but that is what it is .I was in Abuja the Fulani man was saying that even kogi and middle belt are not considered pure Muslim not to talk of Yoruba ..they call them almadiyya or something

The recent stampede in hajj Saudi saw that African Muslims are not even regarded in Arab world

So what are we talking here ...what we see daily

A yoruba man cannot lead or call for prayers in north or in an hausa dominated area even in Lagos

Of course u are very correct. Middlebelt (central Nigerian) muslims are not considered as true muslims by the hausas let alone yoruba muslims (southern Nigerian muslims). Name them, igala muslims, ebira muslims, nupe muslims, Alago, Bariba, Agatu, chamba, jukun muslims e.t.c are discriminated by hausas, except those middlebelt muslims who have dropped their cultures and language and are becoming hausanized.

The problem with hausas and hausanized fulanis is that they have lost their culture and replaced it with islam. So islam is like the only identity and culture they have. SO they tend to take it to the extreme.
Also, most middlebelt muslims and yoruba muslims are religiously mixed as they have a lot of christians in their tribes and their communities. So this leaves them no room for intolerance towards christianity and encourages them tribal identity and cultural oneness.

Nowenuse:



My friend. As a Nigerian, from the central part of the country. I'd tell u that there is one reason why hausas and fulanis are usually classified together as one. There is a reason for it and whosoever will tell u that there is no reasonable or justifiable reason for this is lying to u.

Fulanis in Nigeria actually do not have their own defined homeland. They came much later to Nigeria and their settlements thrived on islamic conquest.
The larger population of fulanis settled in Hausa land and took over power in hausa land by the islamic jihad launched by Danfodio which he claimed he wanted to purify the corrupt kind of islam the hausas were practicing then.
As time went by, the hausas gradually linguistically and culturally absorbed most of the fulanis in their midst. This is where that unity, oneness and joint identity came from because majority of the fulanis in Nigeria now became linguistically and cuturally hausas.

Although we have some other fulanis in Nigeria who did not settle in Hausa land, rather they settled to the south eastern parts of hausaland where u have a lot of minority groups. They conquered and displaced some of these minority groups and founded large emirates and towns in these places. These are the fulanis of northern nigeria who managed to retain their identity, culture and language of which FULAMAN is one of them. These fulanis are mostly under the North-eastern part of the Nigeria and they are fewer compared to the hausanized fulanis in the North-western part of Nigeria.

So i now believe u get the reason for the identity HAUSA-FULANIS in Nigeria?
Majority of d fulanis in Nigeria were hausanized, and their population was too large to just be ignored and brand all of them as hausas. Also, the hausanized fulanis considered it a prestige to retain their identity somehow even though they lost their language n culture because of the influence they have all over northern Nigeria as rulers of most emirates and the sultanate.

Thank you for this interesting answer.
So they are hausanized fulanis just like arabized berbers of North Africa.
These groups are still 2 groups, not one. As I said before people can identity themselves with both of groups but tribes are not the same.
You can say, I have 2 cultures Hausa and Fulani but saying my culture is fulani/hausa is wrong. It's very misleading for people.

Nowenuse:


Of course u are very correct. Middlebelt (central Nigerian) muslims are not considered as true muslims by the hausas let alone yoruba muslims (southern Nigerian muslims). Name them, igala muslims, ebira muslims, nupe muslims, Alago, Bariba, Agatu, chamba, jukun muslims e.t.c are discriminated by hausas, except those middlebelt muslims who have dropped their cultures and language and are becoming hausanized.

The problem with hausas and hausanized fulanis is that they have lost their culture and replaced it with islam. So islam is like the only identity and culture they have. SO they tend to take it to the extreme.
Also, most middlebelt muslims and yoruba muslims are religiously mixed as they have a lot of christians in their tribes and their communities. So this leaves them no room for intolerance towards christianity and encourages them tribal identity and cultural oneness.

i object that hausas have replaced their culture with islamic culture. what aspect of hausa culture do you consider islamic? what aspect did we lose to islam? even the pagan religion is still practiced by some today. its always annoying when i hear people saying this.

Nowenuse:



Yoruba muslims may not be inferior as u claim but to majority of hausa-fulani muslims they are inferior and u cant deny that.
Infact racial superiority is practiced all over the islamic world. It is obvious to all and i hate it when muslims usually try to deny this fact

There is racism in every religion. I don't deny anything, but Christianity is by far the MOST racist.

Sure, Islam does have racism. Arabs thinking that they are superior to Africans which they are not. But Christianity was used as a tool to enslave, colonise and brainwash blacks worldwide. Nothing against Christianity, but that's just the truth. I've seen many movies where black slaves suffered in the Americas and were forced-fed Christianity.

Human beings as aforementioned are huge hypocrites. The majority of them definitely are. Religion does not make someone a good person.

Nowenuse:


Yes there is hausa-fulani because most of the fulanis in Nigeria were absorbed. Hausanized fulanis were the reason for this identity and classification.

Completely untrue, who is this most?

Fulanis in the Taraba, Gombe, Adamawa regions are 100% Fulani and speak Fulfulde as our main language, from Jalingo to Yola and even in Bauchi you will find Fulfulde speakers.

VomeSchakleton:



i object that hausas have replaced their culture with islamic culture. what aspect of hausa culture do you consider islamic? what aspect did we lose to islam? even the pagan religion is still practiced by some today. its always annoying when i hear people saying this.

Most people who are not from Arewa know nothing about Hausa culture. They just assume that if you are Muslim that you have replaced elements of your culture with Arab culture, yet Hausa culture and Arab culture are completely different. Just like Fulani culture is completely different from Arab and Hausa culture. I've said this before and I'll say it again.

Religion is a but a small subset of culture. There are many elements that define culture. Religion is but one element.

There are Fulani Christians in Sierra Leone and Burkina Faso, however they still speak Fluent Fulfulde. They are also a minority of Fulani. Does that make them less Fulani because they are Christian? This isn't directed at you btw, but at Nowenuse and some others on here.

curi00:

Except Mandingo, they aren't in Mauritania.

Do Fulani that only speak Hausa in Nigeria consider themselves Fulani or Hausa ?

We Fulani (Fulbe) or Fellata in Arabic that speak both Fulfulde and Hausa consider the Fulanis in the Northwest as mainly Hausa. They call themselves Hausa-Fulani, but I just call them Hausa. They don't have any element of Pulaaku.

Fulaman198:


Most people who are not from Arewa know nothing about Hausa culture. They just assume that if you are Muslim that you have replaced elements of your culture with Arab culture, yet Hausa culture and Arab culture are completely different. Just like Fulani culture is completely different from Arab and Hausa culture. I've said this before and I'll say it again.

Religion is a but a small subset of culture. There are many elements that define culture. Religion is but one element.

There are Fulani Christians in Sierra Leone and Burkina Faso, however they still speak Fluent Fulfulde. They are also a minority of Fulani. Does that make them less Fulani because they are Christian? This isn't directed at you btw, but at Nowenuse and some others on here.

couldn't have said it better myself.

Fulaman198:


We Fulani (Fulbe) or Fellata in Arabic that speak both Fulfulde and Hausa consider the Fulanis in the Northwest as mainly Hausa. They call themselves Hausa-Fulani, but I just call them Hausa. They don't have any element of Pulaaku.

I remember you explaining to a non-Nigerian on this site that Buhari was a Fulani. That would appear to contradict what you're saying here, since Buhari is from Katsina State, which is in the Northwest.

Wulfruna:


I remember you explaining to a non-Nigerian on this site that Buhari was a Fulani. That would appear to contradict what you're saying here, since Buhari is from Katsina State, which is in the Northwest.

that's the majority of "Fulani" people in NorthWest Nigeria, however, some can indeed speak Fulfulde (a different variety of Fulfulde that is not spoken in Taraba and Adamawa) known as Sokoto Fulfulde (spoken in Western Niger Republic and Northern Benin Republic). That variant of Fulfulde is very close to the Fulfulde spoken in Burkina Faso and Mali. It sounds a bit different and is about 85 - 90% intelligible to a man/woman from Adamawa that knows Fulfulde well.

The president also doesn't speak Fulfulde but to me l, all fulanis, including the so called Hausanised fulanis are the same to me. Doesn't matter to me because to me you can't be hausa if your ancestors weren't, because Hausa is an ethnicity, not a culture. Someone calling them hausa just because they don't speak Fulfulde to me is far fetched and baseless. They are NOT hausas.

Fulaman198:


We Fulani (Fulbe) or Fellata in Arabic that speak both Fulfulde and Hausa consider the Fulanis in the Northwest as mainly Hausa. They call themselves Hausa-Fulani, but I just call them Hausa. They don't have any element of Pulaaku.

It's really sad they no longer speak Fulfulde, I hope they'll remember their language is very important.
Personally I consider themselves still Fulanis but completely Hausanized just like the Arabized Berbers of North Africa. The last ones are so arabized, they dont want to have something to do with Non Arabized Berbers. They completely reject the berbers side of them and I guess that's not the case for Hausanized Fulanis, they still remember they are originally Fulanis.

VomeSchakleton:
The president also doesn't speak Fulfulde but to me l, all fulanis, including the so called Hausanised fulanis are the same to me. Doesn't matter to me because to me you can't be hausa if your ancestors weren't, because Hausa is an ethnicity, not a culture. Someone calling them hausa just because they don't speak Fulfulde to me is far fetched and baseless. They are NOT hausas.

I kind of agree with you.
The Senegalese President is Fulani but he was born to a Serer place, around Serers and speaks Serer. So he considers himself Fulani with a Serer culture.
He said he was able to speak Fulfulde too just because his grandma taught him. His wife is Fulani by mother and Serer by father.

I thik that's the same for the Hausanized Fulanis they are Fulanis with Hausa culture. They are not Hausa originally.

curi00:

I kind of agree with you.
The Senegalese President is Fulani but he was born to a Serer place, around Serers and speaks Serer. So he considers himself Fulani with a Serer culture.
He said he was able to speak Fulfulde too just because his grandma taught him. His wife is Fulani by mother and Serer by father.

I thik that's the same for the Hausanized Fulanis they are Fulanis with Hausa culture. They are not Hausa originally.

too bad our brother fulaman198 disagrees.

curi00:


Thank you for this interesting answer.
So they are hausanized fulanis just like arabized berbers of North Africa.
These groups are still 2 groups, not one. As I said before people can identity themselves with both of groups but tribes are not the same.
You can say, I have 2 cultures Hausa and Fulani but saying my culture is fulani/hausa is wrong. It's very misleading for people.

Yes, pls note that hausa and fulani are not always grouped together in Nigeria at all times. They are sometimes differentiated.
In Nigeria, politics and political classifications has also played a great role in the hausa-fulani merger identity.
Infact there are some cases where they are classified as Hausa-fulani-kanuri together, that is when u want to divide the northern part of Nigeria into two.
We have the Central parts of the north, of which i belong, a region dominated by minority groups and we also have the core-northern part of the country of which most hausa-fulanis & kanuris belong.

VomeSchakleton:



i object that hausas have replaced their culture with islamic culture. what aspect of hausa culture do you consider islamic? what aspect did we lose to islam? even the pagan religion is still practiced by some today. its always annoying when i hear people saying this.

See, the whole world knows that hausas have lost a great deal of theie ancestral culture, pls dont try to act as if u dont understand what we are talking abt here.

U can imagine that in hausa land, u have the Maguzawa people within hausa land who practice the real ancestral hausa culture and these people now have a different unique identity of their own different from the islamic hausas. Why for God's sake? The islamic hausas do not see these ppl as real hausas. These ppl are highly discriminated and treated as sub-humans.
The kingship and rulership systems of hausaland is purely based on islamic emirates, where is the hausa ancestral culture in that?

I have personally engaged some hausa muslims who argue with me that maguzawa actually migrated from the middlebelt region into hausaland and brought those pagan practices with them. U can imagine such lies and ignorance.

Hausa is the only tribe in Nigeria that has basically substituted a large part of their language for arabic and islamic words. This is sth that is not common with other Nigerian muslims. 95% of hausas answer only islamic names without tribal names. They have lost the essence of tribal names in the society
See yoruba and middlebelt muslims, u dont find this kind of lifestyle among them.

If a hausa man sees u first, the first thing he identifies u is by your religion and once u are not a muslim like him, u automatically become an arna (kafiri-infidel).
Go to yoruba or igala, ebira, nupe or other middlebelt muslims, they will never use a derogatory name on a christian.

See, i am from the middlebelt region (North central as some call it). . U are not chatting with a southerner who doesnt know anything about the north.

Nowenuse:


See, the whole world knows that hausas have lost a great deal of theie ancestral culture, pls dont try to act as if u dont understand what we are talking abt here.

U can imagine that in hausa land, u have the Maguzawa people within hausa land who practice the real ancestral hausa culture and these people now have a different unique identity of their own different from the islamic hausas. Why for God's sake? The islamic hausas do not see these ppl as real hausas. These ppl are highly discriminated and treated as sub-humans.
The kingship and rulership systems of hausaland is purely based on islamic emirates, where is the hausa ancestral culture in that?

I have personally engaged some hausa muslims who argue with me that maguzawa actually migrated from the middlebelt region into hausaland and brought those pagan practices with them. U can imagine such lies and ignorance.

Hausa is the only tribe in Nigeria that has basically substituted a large part of their language for arabic and islamic words. This is sth that is not common with other Nigerian muslims. 95% of hausas answer only islamic names without tribal names. They have lost the essence of tribal names in the society
See yoruba and middlebelt muslims, u dont find this kind of lifestyle among them.

If a hausa man sees u first, the first thing he identifies u is by your religion and once u are not a muslim like him, u automatically become an arna (kafiri-infidel).
Go to yoruba or igala, ebira, nupe or other middlebelt muslims, they will never use a derogatory name on a christian.

See, i am from the middlebelt region (North central as some call it). . U are not chatting with a southerner who doesnt know anything about the north.

What differentiates maguzawas from Hausas is religion, not culture. There's a difference between religion and culture. I don't know the hausas you've been speaking to but the hausas I know accept them as non muslim hausas, they're actually celebrated in most places. What I've noticed with you josites is some of you seem to hate the hausas more than southerners. Why is This? You are yet to tell me what aspect of Hausa culture had been replaced by Islam, how is that possible. Is it marriage? Way of life? Festivals? What?

Fulaman198:


There is racism in every religion. I don't deny anything, but Christianity is by far the MOST racist.

Sure, Islam does have racism. Arabs thinking that they are superior to Africans which they are not. But Christianity was used as a tool to enslave, colonise and brainwash blacks worldwide. Nothing against Christianity, but that's just the truth. I've seen many movies where black slaves suffered in the Americas and were forced-fed Christianity.

Human beings as aforementioned are huge hypocrites. The majority of them definitely are. Religion does not make someone a good person.

Thank God u acknowledged the true fact. Unlike some deceptive and silly muslims who will argue sth like this thinking that all christians are fools.

Yes i agree with u that there was racism in christianity but that has died off i tell u.
Today go to the UK, the seat of anglican leadership, go to USA, where most missionaries who evangelized many africans hailed from, u will find churches and not just small churches, but mega churches with black preachers and so many white followers. Infact today, among the top 10 richest men of God in the world, 5 are Nigerians and these men of God have followers all over the world including so many whites.

Now i ask u, can a black man lead arabs in islamic prayers in the middle east?

As for colonialism, the only colonial countries who used religion as a colonial tool to colonize, brainwash and discriminate people were the Iberians (spanish & portuguese) and that is why when u go to Latin America which was 90% colonized by spanish & portuguese, u find out that over 90% of these people are catholics today just like their colonial masters. Most countries in Latin america are over 90% catholics

The french and English who colonized much part of Africa did not use religion as a tool for colonialism or oppression. If they had done that, majority of Nigerians would have been Anglicans by now, but we are not.
HOpe u are aware that the Nigerian anglicans have even broke out from the headquarters in England? They accepted gay marriage over there and admonished the anglican worldwide to do likewise but we africans can never accept that, and hence the African anglican churches broke away from the leadership from England and now have no business with them.

Can black muslims ever have enough liver to take such a decision against their Arab masters??

Many muslims always argue that since we christians say there is no racism in christianity, then why has a black man never been pope?
They forget that black catholics are in a very small minority number compared to european or latin american catholics. There is no black nation in the world today that is predominantly catholic, but go to europe or latin america, many of their countries are predominantly catholics and that is why only europeans n latin americans usually produce the popes. However in spite of that black men have beome cardinals of the catholic church worldwide (the highest point of leadership rank in the cathoic church after the pope), the leaders who the pope himself directly consults for advice, these are the people who also elect the next pope a d they are also the people from which the next pope is chosen in the vatican city.

I wonder if black muslims can ever wield such positions of power in Saudi Arabia despite the fact that black muslims outnumber arab muslims. Infact, Indonesia the largest muslim country in the world and am yet to see an Indonesian muslim lead prayers in Mecca.

Protestant christianity today is largely dominated by blacks in the world.

U can never compare Christianity to Islam in terms of racism pls and pls. Christianity has undergone a lot of changes and civilization unlike islam.
So pls, if u say christianity is worse, prove it here. I am ready for u!

The northern Muslims don't see the western Muslims as true Muslims and thus unacceptable.

A northern Muslim will kill a child that converts to Christianity while a Yoruba Muslim will not. A Yoruba couple will practice different religions while it is a haram for the northern mallam

The Yoruba Muslims interchange religions at will because it is not A do or die affair to them while the northern Muslims see it as a ticket to aljana.

The more reasons they have two separate days for both northern and Yoruba Muslims to celebrate Muslims festivals separately

Don't ask me how I got to know

Fulaman198:


Most people who are not from Arewa know nothing about Hausa culture. They just assume that if you are Muslim that you have replaced elements of your culture with Arab culture, yet Hausa culture and Arab culture are completely different. Just like Fulani culture is completely different from Arab and Hausa culture. I've said this before and I'll say it again.

Religion is a but a small subset of culture. There are many elements that define culture. Religion is but one element.

There are Fulani Christians in Sierra Leone and Burkina Faso, however they still speak Fluent Fulfulde. They are also a minority of Fulani. Does that make them less Fulani because they are Christian? This isn't directed at you btw, but at Nowenuse and some others on here.

Ok, i am from the Plateau/Kaduna. Do u define me as part of ur arewa or not?
Since u say most people who are not from arewa dont know about hausa culture.