I was on a thread about a guy that disappeared after wearing a crash helmet given to him by an okada man. along the line, some people doubted the possibility of such an occurrence just because they didn't see it with their own eyes, a particular fellow even tried to prove it with logic that it is totally impossible.
I just told em it's a sign of the end days.

nairalanders, wat I'd like to know is, IS THE SUPERNATURAL SUBJECT TO LOGIC? please do respond.

tayoccu:

I was on a thread about a guy that disappeared after wearing a crash helmet given to him by an okada man. along the line, some people doubted the possibility of such an occurrence just because they didn't see it with their own eyes, a particular fellow even tried to prove it with logic that it is totally impossible.
I just told em it's a sign of the end days.

nairalanders, wat I'd like to know is, IS THE SUPERNATURAL SUBJECT TO LOGIC? please do respond.

This is a very funny post.

@Poster

You do realise that a lot of things once termed supernatural have turned out to be natural phenomenon yet to be explained at the time. The helmet disappearance story is a rumor which has never been confirmed and cannot be verified to have occured in anyway.

The supernatural as we know it nowadays is often confirmed only to the realms of delusion and beliefs but if you come up with a verifiable one, then we can better adequately analyze it.

true, but I never said that particular story was true, the issue here is do we disregard stuff just because we didn't see it/experience it ourselves?
I asked a question in the other thread, I asked why then do we admit the existence of GOD and satan if we haven't seen them physically.
we cannot deny the fact that there are evil forces out there with menacing powers,
that was why I asked people not to ignore such stories, but pray, not just for themselves, but for Nigeria.

Religious people are so damn daft that they will even go as far as to use logic in a ludicrous attempt to try and prove their imaginations are reality.

Mind control to the fullest.

tayoccu:

I was on a thread about a guy that disappeared after wearing a crash helmet given to him by an okada man. along the line, some people doubted the possibility of such an occurrence just because they didn't see it with their own eyes, a particular fellow even tried to prove it with logic that it is totally impossible.
I just told em it's a sign of the end days.

nairalanders, wat I'd like to know is, IS THE SUPERNATURAL SUBJECT TO LOGIC? please do respond.

Logic has nothing to do with supernatural. Natural mind cannot comprehend it.

@ kola oloye
thank you! that's wat I tried to explain to the peeps on that thread.

@ blood_shed
I got only one reply for you, and it's psalm 14 verse 1
"The fool [a] says in his heart,
"There is no God."
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
there is no one who does good."

1. Psalm 14:1 The Hebrew words rendered fool in Psalms denote one who is morally deficient.

tayoccu:

@ kola oloye
thank you! that's wat I tried to explain to the peeps on that thread.

@ blood_shed
I got only one reply for you, and it's psalm 14 verse 1
"The fool [a] says in his heart,
"There is no God."
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
there is no one who does good."

1. Psalm 14:1 The Hebrew words rendered fool in Psalms denote one who is morally deficient.

A retreat into ignorance, how can you know what your mind cannot comprehend.

I am interested to know what various people define as supernatural and what they term as logic. The reason that I'm asking is that I've noticed that people seem to have different notions of what these words mean. Me too, I have my understanding of what they mean but I often find that my understanding is at odds with that of other people so there is often no point in starting a conversation anyway.

For instance I often wonder what is the difference between 'logic' in the various ways it seems most people use the term and the other cognitive processes that go on in the brain. What sets 'logic' apart?

Pastor AIO:

I am interested to know what various people define as supernatural and what they term as logic.  The reason that I'm asking is that I've noticed that people seem to have different notions of what these words mean.  Me too, I have my understanding of what they mean but I often find that my understanding is at odds with that of other people so there is often no point in starting a conversation anyway. 

For instance I often wonder what is the difference between 'logic' in the various ways it seems most people use the term and the other cognitive processes that go on in the brain.  What sets 'logic' apart? 

This is what most people fail to do, defining what they are talking about, Logic is internal and some system of logic has to be followed to understand what you are reading now. Here are some excerpts from wikipedia about Logic

Logic concerns the structure of statements and arguments, in formal systems of inference and natural language. Topics include[b] validity[/b], fallacies and paradoxes, reasoning using probability and arguments involving causality. Logic is also commonly used today in argumentation theory.

Most people mistake logic for the scientific method and I think the original poster has fallen for this mistake too, so maybe he should clear up that point because one can only agree that the supernatural exists from logical deductions.

Now what is the Supernatural?
Here is an excerpt from wikipedia

Distinct from nature: Some events occur according to natural laws, and others occur according to a separate set of principles external to nature. For example God (in most definitions) is considered to be the ultimate creator of the universe and the natural laws. Those who believe in Angels and Spirits generally assert that they are super-natural entities. Some religious people also believe that all things which humans see as natural only act the same way consistently because God wills it so, and that natural laws are an extension of divine will.

A higher nature: Others assert that God, miracles, or other putative supernatural events are real, verifiable, and part of the laws of nature that we do not yet understand.

A human coping mechanism: Others believe that all events have natural and only natural causes. They believe that human beings ascribe supernatural attributes to purely natural events (eg. Lightning, Rainbows, Floods, the Origin of Life).

Magic : Many people have sought to use both magic and science in hopes of empowering humanity for improvement and to achieve a clearer picture of humanity's place in the cosmos. In some of the earliest Christian art (from the 3rd century) Jesus Christ is portrayed as a bare-faced youth holding a wand as a symbol of power.[4] There may be a persistent link between supernaturalism, the paranormal, and the desire for immortality.

A word for unexplained events: Before the scientific method was used, everything was believed to have a supernatural cause.[7] "Supernatural" today is in this sense merely used as an inspiration for more scientific knowledge tomorrow, through observation and analysis.

Another part of a larger nature : his is a view largely held by monists and process theorists. According to this view, the "supernatural" is just a term for parts of nature that modern science and philosophy do not yet properly understand, similar to how sound and lightning used to be mysterious forces to science. Materialist monists believe that the "supernatural" consists of things in the physical universe not yet understood by modern science, while idealist monists reject the concept of "supernatural" on the grounds that they believe "nature" is the non-material. Neutral monists maintain that "nature" and "supernature" are artificial categories as they believe that the material and non-material are both either equally real and simultaneously existent, or illusions that stem from the human mind's interpretation of reality.

So tayoccu can you clearify what you mean?

Chrisbenogor:

This is what most people fail to do, defining what they are talking about, Logic is internal and some system of logic has to be followed to understand what you are reading now. Here are some excerpts from wikipedia about LogicMost people mistake logic for the scientific method and I think the original poster has fallen for this mistake too, so maybe he should clear up that point because one can only agree that the supernatural exists from logical deductions.

Thank you Chrisbenogor. And this is what I found in the link you provided about Logic systems:

Consistency, soundness, and completeness
Among the valuable properties that logical systems can have are:
Consistency, which means that none of the theorems of the system contradict one another.
Soundness, which means that the system's rules of proof will never allow a false inference from a true premise. If a system is sound and its axioms are true then its theorems are also guaranteed to be true.
Completeness, which means that there are no true sentences in the system that cannot, at least in principle, be proved in the system.

I think that there is a point pertinent to this thread that is hardly ever mentioned in a discussion of Logic. I guess it just seems so Self-evident that no one bothers to articulate it. The fact that logic systems, in order to work, MUST disallow a coincidence of mutually exclusive events.
So there must be a set of mutually exclusive events and those events cannot co-exist. For instance, heat and cold are two mutually exclusive states. It is not allowed in any logical system for an object to be both Cold and Hot at the same time. Or Be heating up and cooling down at the same time. This limitation imposed by logical systems is what gives logic it's power for making inferences about the natural world.

Pastor AIO:

Thank you Chrisbenogor. And this is what I found in the link you provided about Logic systems:
I think that there is a point pertinent to this thread that is hardly ever mentioned in a discussion of Logic. I guess it just seems so Self-evident that no one bothers to articulate it. The fact that logic systems, in order to work, MUST disallow a coincidence of mutually exclusive events.
So there must be a set of mutually exclusive events and those events cannot co-exist. For instance, heat and cold are two mutually exclusive states. It is not allowed in any logical system for an object to be both Cold and Hot at the same time. Or Be heating up and cooling down at the same time. This limitation imposed by logical systems is what gives logic it's power for making inferences about the natural world.

Heat is the degree of hotness or coldness, there is no in a way everybody contains a certain amount of heat or cold, it just depends on how you look at it.
Where is the original poster to clarify what he was saying?

well the dude it question wanted scientific proof (hence scientific logic, i just broadened the scope to ask if the supernatural (if whatever form good/ evil) is subject to any form of logic).
it's almost as if he wanted to see GOD/satan before he admits the existence/power of a surpernatural body

tayoccu:

well the dude it question wanted scientific proof (hence scientific logic, i just broadened the scope to ask if the supernatural (if whatever form good/ evil) is subject to any form of logic).
it's almost as if he wanted to see GOD/satan before he admits the existence/power of a surpernatural body

Are you talking of the scientific method, I am having trouble understanding you.