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| Do God Really Know The Future? by slimbiggy(m): 10:13pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
I knew what you will become even before your birth, i know your name before i put you in your mothers womb. As kids we were told that God knows everything about us, that he has plans for us and he has destined us for things. So i ask, if he knew man would go astray through sin would he have created man? If yes is your answer then why did God punish us for what we were destined by him to do? It brings to mind the story of judas, the bible say's in john 13:11 that jesus knew who would betray him, Which means judas only fulfilled God's plan for him and in john 13:18 it is written " i knw who i have chosen, he who eats bread with me has lifted his heel against me", yet jesus said it is better that he from whom the son of man will be betrayed is not born. This shows that if there is predestination then there is no freedom of choice.we are just like puppet in the hands of the grand puppeteer. Life could be an opera written by a good writter to end when it does, there could be no life after cos what is right to some appears wrong to others.. *MY THOUGHTS* |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by Acekidc4(m): 10:19pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
Waiting for Answers!!! 1 Like |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by johnydon22(m): 10:27pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
He knew lucifer would turn bad and rebel yet created him anyway.. He knew he would burn billions of people in hell for eternity over something he already pre-destined them to do yet he created them anyway. He knew saul would turn bad yet made him king and afterwards regretted making him king when he already knew even before he was made king.. the list could go on and on and on... OMNISCIENT...prrrrrrrrrrrf joke  2 Likes |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by finofaya: 10:29pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
Perhaps God is not a friendly being. Perhaps it had become psychopathic and schizophrenic to an infinite degree. Alternatively, everything is for the best and you cannot understand God so don't ask such questions. It is noteworthy that you cannot understand a mad person either. 2 Likes |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by slimbiggy(m): 10:34pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
then, it means there could be no God, no hell, no heaven. So wat are we doing here? 1 Like |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by johnydon22(m): 10:37pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
slimbiggy:You asked questions... lets wait for answers..  1 Like |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by Nobody: 10:46pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
didn't know serpent was gonna penetrate eden, didn't figure abraham's faith, had to perform a senseless child-killing experiment wasn't sure of job's loyalty, had to gamble with satan knew cain was gonna murder abel, killed his son to wash away sin, yet sin multiplied a million folds Genesis 6:6 'and god regreted why he made man' only deluded people wont see the proof, the biblical 'God' doesn't know sh!!t about the future. 3 Likes |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by Nobody: 10:48pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
'God' is a hoax religion is a scam 2 Likes |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by imbless: 10:56pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
MrPresident:the foolishness of God is wiser than men. |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by johnydon22(m): 10:59pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
imbless:Hhmmm but why is it that he has foolishness at all  And why do i find these foolishness pretty dumb and stupid cus even i wouldnt make such mistakes even i was omniscient and omnipotent.. 1 Like |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by Nobody: 10:59pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
imbless: i luv that phrase "the foolishness of God" indeed the biblical god-character is omni-foolish, he/she never had a lasting solution to any issue, just messing up every sh!!t, how can a sane 'god' destroy the whole earth with rain, killing innocent women, children, and animals. only for earth to repopulate and sin multiplied a million folds. 1 Like |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by Blakjewelry(m): 10:59pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
Maybe it's the writer thinking as God |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by Sanchez01: 11:02pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
Slimbiggy, your question is indeed thoughtful. Well, I hope my little response grow in you God created man for a loving relationship; a loving relationship must be a free-relationship. We should be thankful that God’s fore-knowledge of man’s transgression did not cause God to restrict His created purpose for mankind. The Bible never depicts God as a divine-brain; therefore His omniscience is only one characteristic of His being, love on the other hand is a self-identity that God allows. The “Heart” as outlined throughout the Bible is God’s central consideration. As we know the “fall of man” is not the end of the story as there is also the “salvation of man” as well. The fall of man allows the salvation of man. Your First Question: So i ask, if he knew man would go astray through sin would he have created man?Yes, God would have created man still. The whole scenario bothers on LOVE which is the most important. God loved Adam and Eve but it was not reciprocated. Thus, in this regard, God only wanted man to love Him and OBEY him. For instance, even though God knew what choices we would make, if He actually wanted people to love Him, then he had to give them the chance to do so. Otherwise, our entire existence would have been merely a thought experiment that didn't turn out well—but that's not why God created humanity. He wanted us to know and love him. Even though God knew that not everyone would choose to love him, he still wanted those who would love him to get to do so. Your Second Question: If yes is your answer then why did God punish us for what we were destined by him to do? Note that it was not necessary for Adam and Eve to disobey God. They chose to do so. The same applies to you and me. Is it necessary for you and me to disobey God? No, when we have done so, we have chosen to do so. As to punishment, that’s the ground rule that God lays down: ‘The soul who sins will die’ (Ezekiel 18:4). God specifically told Adam this in Gen 2:17. The same applied to Judas. It was not necessary for him to betray Christ but chose to do so. Read up on Judas in John 12:4(Please read this); Mark 14:10. Judas had always stood out as the "baddest" of the group and the Devil found him idle, just like he found Eve. Doing evil or good is as a matter of choice. Shalom! cc Ammyluv2002, biko come here 1 Like |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by slimbiggy(m): 11:04pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
i see many flaws in the bible, but the part of my mind that swims in the biblical teachings of my wee years weaken me |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by imbless: 11:08pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
johnydon22:God is a merciful father, and a consuming fire when angry. So beware!!. |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by Nobody: 11:10pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
imbless: bed-time story for kids! 2 Likes |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by slimbiggy(m): 11:10pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
Sanchez01:based on what you say about love, remember even his love didnt prevent him from condeming man. For jesus to take the bread and give to judas after he said he knws who will betray him and the devil entered judas after taking the bread. Then i can argue that the bread he gave judas was evil. So you see? |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by slimbiggy(m): 11:15pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
loving relationship? He loves us and he sent d devil down 2 earth? He knew we would go astray and he didnt prevent it? Let me ask you, if you know that if i walk down this corridor i would die and u love me, wil u lock it to save me or wil you keep it open cos of our loving relationship? 2 Likes |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by Nobody: 11:15pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
slimbiggy: lets examine this conversation with open mind... yahweh:..................adam, adam, where are you? adam:...................my lord, i am naked yahweh:..................who told you u re naked, hve u eaten the fruit i warned u not to? etc, etc now re-read the bolded 2nd question from yahweh, does it sound like he knew sh!!t about what was going on in eden? 1 Like |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by Sanchez01: 11:18pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
slimbiggy:No sir, sorry to mention that your assertion is wrong. Christ was the perfect message of love among his followers, the Jews, non-Jews, corrupt government officials, harlots, and even Roman officers! Christ knew someone had to go the way of rebellion so as to perfect His purpose. Judas fitted based on his dubious and selfish lifestyle. Thus, Christ knew what Judas would do but showed him love, just as He made Peter stay at His till he (Peter) denied Christ. Like I earlier mentioned, Judas would have got another chance had he not committed suicide. Peter who said he had never met Christ became one of the greatest Apostle and a carrier of the manifestations of the Holy Spirit. Now, what does that tell you? |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by imbless: 11:22pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
God moves in mysterious ways, an ordinary man cannot understand him. |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by Sanchez01: 11:23pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
slimbiggy:I would tell you, that's the best I could do. The choice to still walk down the corridor depends on you because you might see me as being unfair if I don't give you the grace to choose. Again, it's still on choice. |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by johnydon22(m): 11:23pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
Sanchez01:A nice loving relationship that entails sending man to hell for not loving him back... I can see much love here.. Sanchez01:Ok he knew man would fall and this foreknowledge of that event entails man must go according to what god already knew which means man never really had a choice in this saga.. How could he know man would fall then comes back to feign surprised when man eventually fell? He wanted love, lol and he as a perfect being is clamoring for love.. First perfection needs nothing more but this god seem to want even more than a man.. he couldn't even get enough love from angels.  Sanchez01:He already know the choices you would make, which means you cannot go contrary to that choice, in other words predestination. Which means he already knew who and who will go to hell billions of years before creating them and as omnipotent being couldn't predestine better for his so called loved humans.. @second bolded Yeah we already know allah, yahweh, mithras, osiris, horus, zeus and we are not impressed..am stil asking why a perfect and all powerful being would Need[/b]love and worship. Sanchez01: Even though God knew that not everyone would choose to love him, he still wanted those who would love him to get to do so. He already knew who would love him and who wouldn't. . then whats the essence of the experiment again? He wanted to be sure Sanchez01:No Adam and eve didn't choose to do so, God already knew they would, he already knew that particular time and minute so they really had no choice.. if they didnt eat that fruit then it means god's fore-knowledge of them eating it was wrong therefore not omniscient..unless you want to tell us he didnt know they would eat it which clearly would contradict your posts above. And my second question to this :[b] Since he didnt want anybody to touch the tree, why put it there in the first place? Sanchez01:The story of judas is quite a pathetic and sad one. the dude seriously was just a pawn in the game. the real players were yahweh and jesus. First Jesus already knew Judas was predestined to betray him, and judas couldn't act contrary to this he must act according to the script dished out for him, yet he was blamed for fulfilling this script that was already written for him, he died a horrible death afterwards which too was still part of the script dished out for him. Since this Jesus death was a very important must, Judas should have been given a noble price for actualizing that plan. If the guy didnt betray jesus then jesus wouldnt die and his death was to be very important to mankind right? then why isnt anybody applauding judas, why blame him when all he did was ensure jesus died since even jesus knew he actually came to die. why blame the guy you chose to actualize your death and not your father who sent you to die in the first place. #SomeOneGotPlayed 1 Like |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by johnydon22(m): 11:24pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
imbless:and how does this answer the question 1 Like |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by slimbiggy(m): 11:25pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
firstly u didnt ans my question, the soul that sinneth shal die! Biblical words abi? Now sanchez ur above comment contradicts wat God said to 1 of the prophets *i knw you before you were born, b4 i put you in ur mama's womb i knw wat u wil become* or didnt he see judas wil kil himself? |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by Nobody: 11:26pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
slimbiggy: he loved you? really? a god who couldn't even forgive a victimized adam and his naive wife at a time the earth population was only 2 people (according to the christian bible) he (god) even extended the punishment to the generation unborn? maybe you need to consult a dictionary for the meaning of love. slimbiggy: why is the christian teaching victimizing Judas, if it was already ordained by 'God' for jesus to come and die? shouldn't Judas be recognized for assisting fulfill the mission? 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by Nobody: 11:27pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
imbless: crap! 1 Like |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by slimbiggy(m): 11:28pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
slimbiggy: believe u me, he knws cos it is written that i was better for he who was to betray jesus nt to be born. Sanchez kip an open mind and lets c where we go from here |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by imbless: 11:34pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
johnydon22:can't u see that I quoted mrpresident's post? |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by slimbiggy(m): 11:36pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
Aphorisms. The gods can either take away evil from the world and will not, or, being willing to do so cannot; or they neither can or will, or lastly, they are able and willing. If they have the will to remove evil and cannot, then they are not omnipotent. If they can but will not, then they are not benevolent. If they are neither able nor willing, they are neither omnipotent nor benevolent. Lastly, if they are both able and willing to annihilate evil, why does it exist? - EPICURUS(341-270 B.C.) GREEK PHILOSOPHER. 1 Like |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by johnydon22(m): 11:38pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
imbless:nope below is my post that you quote asking me to beware johnydon22:and my question to you now is "how does beware bla bla bla shit answer my questions? 1 Like |
| Re: Do God Really Know The Future? by slimbiggy(m): 11:40pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
he created the world and said everything was good, and by good it means no form of evil. Yet in the garden there is a there is a tree of good and evil? What is the bible really saying here? Could God have created anything bad? He created the world and everything and said it was gud, could the devil be bad? But God created him. How can there be gud without evil? How can there be light without darkness? |
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