@Davidylan: « #86 on: Today at 08:05:34 PM »  

That is frankly a very stupid lie to tell. Go back and read Acts to see why the DISCIPLES (followers of Jesus) where first called Christians. Very simple - all through the book of acts the jews continously attacked the disciples for being clones of Jesus Christ.
Antioch was the very first place the term "christianity" was used and it was a label for those who were "Like Christ".

If Christians = followers of Jesus . . . then why did the jews and disciples wait almost 4-5 yrs in antioch before using the name? All the 3 yrs they were physically following Christ why didnt they use it?

slowpoke.

If they were "clones", they are also gods, etc? Lol.

By the way pls address our issue . . . if Ishmael is the father of arabs then how come the "Jurhums" were the ones who taught him arabic and arab culture?

I wonder if Oduduwa was the only man who slept with all the "women" in the entourage of the people who became "yorubas" and settled in Nigeria? Were there women who were daughters of Oduduwa, in that party? Were there women who were Oduduwa's daughter in laws, in that party? Were there women who were Oduduwa's family members; sisters, cousins, nieces, etc? Were there women he just in plain language, not permissable for him to sleep with?

Is it not obvious that the Jurhum arab tribes came, and then by sheer population, Ismail and his mother Hajar became/adopted this culture? Afterall, ~Lady~ will argue that the Yorubas came out of Benin people, even though they, the Benin are considered to be yorubas.

The Benin Kings are called Obas. They have Ojomo, which the Owo people 77 miles away in Yorubaland have. They have Iyasere and Ojumu, which are comparable to the Isashere and Ojumu of Owo respectively. Use the same idea to resolve your confusion, man. The Benin will have to learn Yoruba if pleanty of yoruba invaded them. And the yorubas are many and that is possible, unlike the other way round!

Davidylan: I did your research for you. You can't even read the materials. Even your Bible Mapped out Yemen and the larger Arab area! Open your eyes and mind man!

You can never get a straightforward answer from these disgraceful frauds.

olabowale:

I wonder if Oduduwa was the only man who slept with all the "women" in the entourage of the people who became "yorubas" and settled in Nigeria? Were there women who were daughters of Oduduwa, in that party? Were there women who were Oduduwa's daughter in laws, in that party? Were there women who were Oduduwa's family members; sisters, cousins, nieces, etc? Were there women he just in plain language, not permissable for him to sleep with?

what was the point of this mumbo jumbo?

olabowale:

Is it not obvious that the Jurhum arab tribes came, and then by sheer population, Ismail and his mother Hajar became/adopted this culture? Afterall, ~Lady~ will argue that the Yorubas came out of Benin people, even though they, the Benin are considered to be yorubas.

Bullshit.

1. We know the Assyrians once existed and had an empire to rival that of the Babylonians and Egyptians thousands of yrs ago . . . why is there no historical or archeological data to prove that these "jurhums" ever even existed at all?

2. We know again that Ishmael and his mother (clearly mentioned as an Egyptian/black not arab) settled in Paran (close to Egypt). We also have strong evidence that his descendants settled and were merchants in and around Egypt which is miles away from Mecca or Yemen.

3. If Ishmael was the father of arabs, how come arabic language and culture was already existing and he had to learn it?

4. We know also that Abraham was from the land of Ur . . . who are NOT arabs but Chaldeans . . . most being catholic today

5. What again did you say was "obvious"?

olabowale:
The Benin Kings are called Obas. They have Ojomo, which the Owo people 77 miles away in Yorubaland have. They have Iyasere and Ojumu, which are comparable to the Isashere and Ojumu of Owo respectively. Use the same idea to resolve your confusion, man. The Benin will have to learn Yoruba if pleanty of yoruba invaded them. And the yorubas are many and that is possible, unlike the other way round! 

What utter rubbish.

@Davidylan: « #98 on: Yesterday at 09:27:07 PM »

You can never get a straightforward answer from these disgraceful frauds.

I was thinking if this thread was on Jurhum, Ismail (as) or Arab? Except that you, David, in your deceit have found a way to shunt the fulcrum, away from Jesus! Not to worry, I am up on your gimmick!


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what was the point of this mumbo jumbo?
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Simple. To help you understand, by bringing about the yoruba story for illustration. Perchance, you can think, critically.


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Bullshit.

1. We know the Assyrians once existed and had an empire to rival that of the Babylonians and Egyptians thousands of yrs ago . . . why is there no historical or archeological data to prove that these "jurhums" ever even existed at all?
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Where are the assyrians, today? A smart man will simply ask the arabs in his community. Interestingly, in New York City, especially in the outer boroughs; Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island, and Bronx, the yemenis are the operators of the Bodegas or corner stores. I don't know if you don't have the same in Rochester. If you do, since you refused to research theJurhum on the Web, even after my efforts, you refused to read. At least you can let the yemenis tell you about their peoples and tribes!

2. We know again that Ishmael and his mother (clearly mentioned as an Egyptian/black not arab) settled in Paran (close to Egypt). We also have strong evidence that his descendants settled and were merchants in and around Egypt which is miles away from Mecca or Yemen.

My boys are Ijebu Ode people, based on my father's bloodline. But their mom is from Lagos. Does the mother's bloodline determine what a person's heritage is, over the father's heritage? If this is the case, can President Barackallah Hussaine Obama be called the first African American/Black?

3. If Ishmael was the father of arabs, how come arabic language and culture was already existing and he had to learn it?

Was Yoruba culture by the existence of the people not in place before Oduduwa and the arrival of the whole group in Western Nigeria?

4. We know also that Abraham was from the land of Ur . . . who are NOT arabs but Chaldeans . . . most being catholic today

5. What again did you say was "obvious"?

I asked you, since you have always, memory lapses, if Ibrahim was a hebrew, Israelite or Jew? Read my posts, if you will find at anytime that I ever postulated that Ibrahim was an arab. You on the other hand always wants us to believe that Ibrahim was Hebrew or Israelite or Jew!


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What utter rubbish.
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In every which way till sunday that I try to give you similitudes about Arabs, before Ismail, and then after him, you just did not catch up. Boy, you are lagging behind in the past few days. I know you are playing dumb. And it aint gonna work with me. I know your type, man. Today, because the son of ismail, in the person of Muhammad (AS) dominated arab and muslim world, everyone is Ismail's son through the good office of Muhammad.

I need to then remind you that the hebrew language was already in place and even Ibrahim (AS) from Ur had to learn it. Today, some people, maybe you are among them say that Jews are hebrew (afterall the Torah and Sabur and Injil were revealed in it). That the father Ibrahim is father of the Hebrew (see your Bible and read the part where Moses killed an Egyptian who was oppressing the "hebrew". Others say that the Hebrews were the descendants of Jacob!

David, you see how terribly your arguments are, since it is clear that hebrew as a language and people were already in the place Ibrahim settled in, in Palestine? The same condition with Arabs of jurhum tribe with ismail, except that the Arabs came to Ismail. While Ibrahim came to the Hebrew of Palestine. Both personnels got absorbed into the cultures and people that they lived with!

Below is my web result of hebrew. See how they began to call the Children of Israel (Jacob (AS)), hebrews? Does this mean that they were the first hebrews and before them, hebrew as a people, never existed?

Tip: Save time by hitting the return key instead of clicking on "search"

Search ResultsThe Hebrews to 1000 BCEHistory and the Hebrews from Abraham to King David.
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The HebrewsJun 6, 1999 , Curiously, it was in defeat, dominated over by foreigners whose fathers came from across the Mediteranean sea, that the Hebrews would emerge ,
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Hebrew History: Egypt and the Wanderings, ~1500-1250 BCHowever dim and uncertain Hebrew history is in the age of the patriarchs, there is no question that the migration out of Egypt around 1250 BC is the single ,
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I'm asking that these decietful liar simply show me who these mysterious jurhums are and why islam blatantly LIES that Ishmael is the father of arabs when he plainly is not and guess what - predictably he posts tons of links on the HEBREWS!!!

Islam has held your thinking faculties hostage to its many deceptions. Good luck making your home in hell according to Sura 19:71

@Davidylan: « #100 on: Today at 03:22:49 AM »

I'm asking that these decietful liar simply show me who these mysterious jurhums are

Youth is wasted on young. A statement that rings loudly through Davidylan, considering his shortsightedness in responses. David, for starter, show me a single "Hebrew" on earth today. This is the same condition with Jurhum. They both are dead and forgotten tribes of people, because a bigger tribe of people have absorbed each of them. Jurhum arabs are now part of the larger arabs, still existing in Makka, today. We see that Ismail (AS) married from their women. This marriage event is enough to tell you that they once existed, just like the hebrews. I know. Your cheating heart will not allow you to face this fact, even as it pours forth from your keyboard!

The Hebrews are now absorbed by the bloodline of the Children of Jacob, now known as Children of Israel, or Jews (a subtribe of the children of Israel which absorbed the others). But the Children of Israel speak "Hebrew," and the Children of Ismail speak "Arabic!" Think man. I know I am pushing you too hard. I can't help it, because of the paternal instincts in me.

Another thing you haven't paid attention to, about the inadequacy of your Biblical informations. Now the Bible says that when Ibrahim left his younger wife and, his first son and child in the "wilderness", he never ever looked back. But yet the Bible was able to piece together the stories of the subsequent generations of people from the loin of Ismail! How can the Bible achieve this, except, that there was a continuous relationship with Ibrahim and Ismail, which Isiaq and then nephew Yaqub (AS) learnt their information from?

The take of the Arabs, indeed Muhammad (AS) about the continuity of relationship between father Ibrahim and son Ismail, which in turn kept Ismail and younger brother Isiaq acquinted, even to the generation of Yaqub, is very reliable. In the Qur'aan, Yaqub instructed his children to stick to the religion in which Ibrahim, Ismail and Isiaq worshipped their Lord God, which is One God! This is in Surah Baqarah.

Finally the "Jews" (or should I call them "Children of Israel" which is most appropriate, or should I call them "Hebrew" which they were called in the time that they were "slaves" under Fir'awn?), even today refer to the "Arabs" as their "Cousins!" The Arabs do the same. David how do they know about this relationship, except that they had continuity of family history? Now, again, I want you to put on a thinking cap, and think hard, even if it hurts your brain.

If your Bible gives half baked information, how reliable can it be? Should it be deemed believeable? Seriously?

and why islam blatantly LIES that Ishmael is the father of arabs when he plainly is not and guess what - predictably he posts tons of links on the HEBREWS!!!

The same issue applies to Ibrahim (AS) being called the father of the Hebrews, when he is not. For the hebrew tribe were people already in Palestine, long before Ibrahim arrived. Why are the Children of Israel called Hebrews (refer to your Bible; Genesis), which will make Yaqub (AS), their father, the father of the Hebrews, when clearly, his grandfather, Ibrahim was not even qualified for this description? David, smartness is not limited to narrow scope or spectrum. I gave you a ton of links where you could have researched about Jurhum arab tribes from Yemen. Just like dinosaurs, they are extinct, in the same way as the Hebrews have.

I did research on Jurhum for you to just read. You stubbornly refused. This is why I gave you Hebrew, maybe it may help you reflect. Your Biblical map even mentioned Jurhum as an arab tribe from Yemen. I asked you to walk couples of blocks up or down from your home in Rochester to find a corner store, which I am almost sure will be operated by a Yemeni. You have dugged your heel deep in the sand. How can you learn when you refused to "know?"

If I used the yoruba claim that Oduduwa is the father of all the Yorubas, we should then asked; was the yoruba land lacking a single people before Oduduwa arrived? Or was Oduduwa the only grown male in the companies of all the women? Or was Oduduwa sleeping with his sisters who probably had their own families in this party led by Oduduwa? The fact is very clear here, even though you kept your ostrich syndrome in place.

Islam has held your thinking faculties hostage to its many deceptions. Good luck making your home in hell according to Sura 19:71

Another lie. David, when will you begin to speak without your lying tongue or deceitful fingers? When does "passing over it," becomes "going into it?" In the Biblical "passover", did any Angel of death who did the killing of the first born of the Egyptians, not "passover" the homes of the "Hebrews (lol)", the children of Israel, without any killing in the house? This is the same thing with the "passing over it" of the true believers, as stated in Surah Mariam (19), Ayah 71! My concern with you, which you have not paid any attention to is this;

all humans will have to pass over it. Just like being in Egypt which contained the Egyptians and Israelites.
the believers will pass over it, successfully. InshaAllah, all muslims from now on until the last on earth in generation to come will succeed, without falling into the fire of hell.
all disbelievers; peoples of the books and the idol worshippers and the hypocrites amongst the muslims will fall into the fire of hell, to begin their punishments. Question; are you up to the gruesome punishment that awaits you? think, man.

And I am very grateful for Islam. Otherwise I would have been Aborisha, like an Ijebu man. Or a one who believed in 3 gods, passing it for 1, when challenged about the bad concept. David, are you for real?

olabowale:

@Davidylan: « #100 on: Today at 03:22:49 AM »
Youth is wasted on young. A statement that rings loudly through Davidylan, considering his shortsightedness in responses. David, for starter, show me a single "Hebrew" on earth today. This is the same condition with Jurhum. They both are dead and forgotten tribes of people, because a bigger tribe of people have absorbed each of them. Jurhum arabs are now part of the larger arabs, still existing in Makka, today. We see that Ismail (AS) married from their women. This marriage event is enough to tell you that they once existed, just like the hebrews. I know. Your cheating heart will not allow you to face this fact, even as it pours forth from your keyboard!

More pathetic disgraceful lies. Here is a wikipedia entry for the Hebrews - The terms "Hebrews" and "Israelites" usually describe the same people, called Hebrews before the conquest of the Land of Canaan and Israelites afterwards.[4][5] Occasionally, "Hebrews" is used to designate the Jews, who use the Hebrew language.[6]

If the Hebrews are extinct like you falsely claim then how come their language, culture and history survives till this day?

Now the jurhums are not extinct . . . they just never existed outside the fantasy of the hadiths. The Assyrians, ancient babylonians and philistines are now extinct, but we can read their histories and we have archeological proof that they existed. Where is the proof that jurhums ever existed?

olabowale:

The same issue applies to Ibrahim (AS) being called the father of the Hebrews, when he is not. For the hebrew tribe were people already in Palestine, long before Ibrahim arrived.

This is just utterly sad. Pls someone tell me muslims arent the worst pathological liars on earth . . . how can you even make this bleeping claim on a public website? Are you this desperate?

olabowale:

I did research on Jurhum for you to just read. You stubbornly refused.

which "research"? Copy and pasting tons of islamic websites droning on about a people who only existed in mohammad's fantasy world?

olabowale:

This is why I gave you Hebrew, maybe it may help you reflect.

No, you brought it up as a smokescreen to deflect the fraud that islam is fast turning out to be.

olabowale:

Your Biblical map even mentioned Jurhum as an arab tribe from Yemen.

Which map? You are a disgrace. Pls produce it . . . or forever be labeled a fraud.

Stop telling me to think when you cant do the same.

@Davidylan: « #103 on: Today at 05:17:22 PM »

This is just utterly sad. Pls someone tell me muslims arent the worst pathological liars on earth . . . how can you even make this bleeping claim on a public website? Are you this desperate?

Was there no original tribe of people speaking hebrew before Ibrahim (AS) arrived in Palestine to settle, along with his family?


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which "research"? Copy and pasting tons of islamic websites droning on about a people who only existed in mohammad's fantasy world?
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Since you refused to learn anything, because it will confront you with the truth, thereby destroying you Biblical lies, I will post the websites and if I can copy the map out, in my next post.

olabowale:

@Davidylan: « #103 on: Today at 05:17:22 PM »
Was there no original tribe of people speaking hebrew before Ibrahim (AS) arrived in Palestine to settle, along with his family?

If you know them pls show us.

olabowale:

Since you refused to learn anything, because it will confront you with the truth, thereby destroying you Biblical lies, I will post the websites and if I can copy the map out, in my next post.

Show PROOF . . . i'm tired of scouring websites for you.
and pls post the map of the jurhums you claimed was in the bible map. thank you.

@Davidylan:
1. The Hebrew I summise are people who lived in the land before Ibrahim (AS) and his family arrived in Palestine. There is no doubt that the Hebrew ethnicity and language were used on the Children of Israel and there father, when they left for Egypt, in the honor of Yusuf (AS).

Hebrew -- The Original Language? (Of Course Not!)
Dec 6, 2007 , It probably developed from the old Hebrew spoken by Abraham in Ur of , of
scholars believe that this old Hebrew pre-dated Abraham and that ,
orvillejenkins.com/languages/hebreworiginal.html - 33k - Similar pages

Who is the character, Abraham, from the bible?
There is no certainty about the origin of the Hebrew people in the Middle East.
, Is Abraham the first actual historical figure in the Bible? Probably. ,
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2. The Biblical information source about Jurhum Arab tribe in Yemen, which their people later populated Makka in the time of Ismail (AS).

Bible Atlas: Arabia
Thus the tribe of Jurhum left the Yemen on account of drought and , They are
the north Arabian tribes, as opposed to the Kahtanite or south Arabian. ,
bibleatlas.org/arabia.htm - 37k - Similar pages

You lazy bum. You aint doing nothing for me, no how! lol.

Christianity can be confusing.

The Gospel of John says that Jesus is a God. Saint Paul says there is for us "only one God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ". Pastor will say God is three in one or one in three. What does that mean are there 3 Gods now.

If you are confused about Christianity like me join Islam at your local Mosholashi.

Quran say alot about Prophet Isa (AS) know as Jesus. let me just give u this verse first: say (O Muslims): we believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Abraham, Ishnael, Isaac, jacob, and the tribes, and that which has been given to Moses and Jesu, and that which has been given to all prophets from their LOrd. we make no distinction betweet any of them, and to Him (Allah) we submit. ( Q:2:136). we Muslims we believes in Jesus. but u christian u refuse the truth of Islam.

ifele:

Christianity can be confusing.

The Gospel of John says that Jesus is a God. Saint Paul says there is for us "only one God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ". Pastor will say God is three in one or one in three. What does that mean are there 3 Gods now.

If you are confused about Christianity like me join Islam at your local Mosholashi.

Islam is perhaps even WORSE . . . what does allah mean by sura 19:71? Are ALL muslims going to hell? why is hell populated mainly by women? why does islam claim aaron is the sister of Mary when he lived 2000yrs before her at least? Why is the quran claiming that Zechariah the father of John the baptist was a prophet when he was a levitical priest?
Why was mohammad confused about the direction of the qiblah - jerusalem or mecca?
why did arabs first say joktan was their father then revert back to ishmael who has NO KNOWN ancestry in arabia but Egypt?

Christianity isnt confusing, you just dont understand what Paul was saying their you fool.

Agbelepawo:

Quran say alot about Prophet Isa (AS) know as Jesus. let me just give u this verse first: say (O Muslims): we believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Abraham, Ishnael, Isaac, jacob, and the tribes, and that which has been given to Moses and Jesu, and that which has been given to all prophets from their LOrd. we make no distinction betweet any of them, and to Him (Allah) we submit. ( Q:2:136). we Muslims we believes in Jesus. but u christian u refuse the truth of Islam.

where are these things allah lied to have sent? Are they in jupiter? why can muslims not find a single one of them?

@Davidylan: « #110 on: Today at 12:39:18 AM »

Islam is perhaps even WORSE . . .

Perhaps you said. You are not sure. I agree with your perhaps, since you are not sure.

what does allah mean by sura 19:71?

Surah 19, verse 71, says that all humans (muslims, since this is your worries) will "Pass Over" Hell. This reminds me of the Passover of the Children of Israel, in Egypt. I will use this very event to educate your mind, omo.

Are ALL muslims going to hell?

Since passover does not mean you will be touched by it or go inside it, or pass through it. Unles you will say that the passover of the Children of Israel caused the same affliction on them as it did the Egyptians whose homes were not passed over! Duuh David.

why is hell populated mainly by women?

The same reason the earth is populated by women. Afterall, take a census of the ratio of man/woman. Use the same to think about all kinda possibilities. By the way there will be men in Hell: Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc, Atheists. And there will be women in Paradise; Muslim women.

why does islam claim aaron is the sister of Mary when he lived 2000yrs before her at least?

The same exact reason you rae call son of Adam, and your claim that Jesus is son of King David, when he was obviously not. Am not finished, David A_ _n_ _ ! The same reason you are called omo Oduduwa, when we know that your last name is not Oduduwa.

Why is the quran claiming that Zechariah the father of John the baptist was a prophet

It is obvious that you as a Christian don't honor or acknowledge the prophets of God, so you wouldn't know the yardstick for a prophet, even if it smack you in your face.

Take Adam for example, or Joseph or Haroun and many other, including John! You guys deny these noble men as prophets. Even King David whose name you proudly bear, and then his wise son Solomon. None of them and many others do you accept as prophet! You don't know what a prophet is, so thats your reason for misclassification.

when he was a levitical priest?

I remember that the Melchezdek was called priest. Yet many of you even called him "god" because no one knows anything about his family or his beginning or ending. I have heard you guys say that he was Jesus before Jesus. So if you are demeaning a levite "priest" you can see that you have also do exact same thing with the status of all priests; Melchezdek in this case. And since he was claimed to be Jesus before Jesus, by extensions, Jesus directly have been demeaned.

Why was mohammad confused about the direction of the qiblah - jerusalem or mecca?

What direction did he pray to in Makka? Of course the Kaaba. And read the Qur'aan again. Allah says that He knows the "Quiblah" that is "dear" to the heart of Muhammad (AS). Hence Allah made what was in his heart a reality for Muhammad (AS). He gave him the gift that will make his heart very glad by changing to Makka. Is that confusion or it is your deceitful heart that is confused?!

why did arabs first say joktan was their father then revert back to ishmael who has NO KNOWN ancestry in arabia but Egypt?

The same way that the jews say that their father was Hebrew, when Ibrahim was not a Hebrew. When Isaac was not a Hewrew. When Jacob (Israel) was not a Hebrew!

And about Egypt; was Ibrahim (AS) Egyptian? Are you a native of your mother's home town in Nigeria or are you from Ijebu Ode, the town of your father, and his father and his father and his father, and his father, and his father? David, seriously.

Christianity isnt confusing, you just dont understand what Paul was saying their you fool.

David, you must be running a fever. Paul is your role model, instead of Jesus who was not a Christian. I know you will like to remind me about Jesus being the boss. He aint the boss. He doesn't care a hoot about Christianity. You can borrow his name for all i care. However he will refuse your association (the association) in the day of judgement. I guess as the Bible said; the works would have been done in vain, since he will say " I do not know you!" Ha ha (The Simpsons).

*the hollow of God's hands*

How do you figure? I love you, but I still wanna know!

« #111 on: Today at 12:40:03 AM »
where are these things allah lied to have sent? Are they in jupiter? why can muslims not find a single one of them?

Allah is the right spelling. Have I ever tried to write your last name with"a" instead "A?"

You should tell us what you think is missing or which Prophet (as) you are under the impression has no message or something about him in the Qur'aan. And stop being a "bad boy" like Stowie in "family Guy!"

more lengthy nonsense.

More laconic horseshit reply, David!

islam is only way, better way up

muhsin:

More laconic horseshit reply, David!

see olabowale's long meaningless write-up . . . now that's what i call horseshit.

Hey Davidylan

Whats your problem again so that I solve it but would not want your usual Olodo style

David can't read diddle, except lab reports.

Surah 19, verse 71, says that all humans (muslims, since this is your worries) will "Pass Over" Hell. This reminds me of the Passover of the Children of Israel, in Egypt. I will use this very event to educate your mind, omo.

How sly and dishonest can you get?
How can sura 19:71 be equivalent to the passover of the jews?

1. The angel of death was meant for Egyptians ONLY not jews. Jews used the blood of the passover lamb on their doorposts to signify protection under the blood and as a forerunner of Christ's ultimate sacrifice on the cross.
The passover is a celebration of Christ's immense love, sura 19:71 is a celebration of allah's hate of his own slaves. If not why would he be taking them anywhere near hell in the first place?

Why, after donkey yrs of knocking heads on the floor, starving one month of a yr, expensive but meaningless pilgrimages, reading incomprehensible babble . . . . will he then take then to see hell?

@Davidylan: « #119 on: Today at 08:25:44 PM »

How sly and dishonest can you get?
How can sura 19:71 be equivalent to the passover of the jews?

Both have "pass over" it in them. Read your Bibeli, again, omo Obanta!
While the Children oif Israel were spared of the agony of death.
The believers will be spared the agony of falling into Hell and its punishments!

1. The angel of death was meant for Egyptians ONLY not jews.

Hell fire is meant for disbelievers ONLY not Believers; Mumim and Muslim.

Jews used the blood of the passover lamb on their doorposts to signify protection under the blood and as a forerunner of Christ's ultimate sacrifice on the cross.

Mumim and muslim dont need blood. We use Tawhid, Aqeedah which includes salah, Zakat, Sadaqah, Saum, Hajj and Umrah and good deeds for the pleasure of Allah, in Whom alone we hope. Duuh.

The passover is a celebration of Christ's immense love,

Oh confused heart; jesus was not even known then. Moses was the Messenger and prophet (AS) who led them out of Egypt. Tell me where jesus was, since the Children of israel say that their Lord is yahweh or Jehovah! No Jesus to be found in here! david, don't humor me. I dislike bad jokes and you are known for them.

sura 19:71 is a celebration of allah's hate of his own slaves.

Allah and i hope you do follow instructions! Surah 19 verse 71 shows the Mercy of allah, since the believers will see hell but will not go to it. With this sight, they can appreciate the Favor of Allah on them. Unlike disbeliever; hell is a raging and greedy place. They should be prepared, man.

Your story reminds me of an old friend; Kenneth Lewis Tyler who could not stand the nagging of Linda, his live in lover at that time, hence he moved out. He foolishly said to me about hellfire that he will deal with it, since he had many tours of Vietman. I had to remind him that he should know that if Linda was able to defeat him by just nagging him day and night, how naive can he be that he thinks that he could get used to hell's pain! You almost remind me of him.

If not why would he be taking them anywhere near hell in the first place?

The same reason that Allah let the Children of Israel passed safely between the water walls of the sea, while the disbelieveing Egyptians perished in the same situation.

Why, after donkey yrs of knocking heads on the floor, starving one month of a yr, expensive but meaningless pilgrimages, reading incomprehensible babble . . . . will he then take then to see hell?

And the qualitative value of one eye is higher than 5000 years of woship. Then imagine what the value of 2 eyes are? Then add 2 ears, 2 nostrils, 1 tongue, 32 teeth, 2 legs (long to the neck or short like a tree stump), 2 hands, etc. Is it not true that Allah, the God Who has Power over all things show Mercy by just a mere sight, while the disbelievers go into hell to dwell in pure punishments?

I gues you as a Christian will not know the doodoo you are in already until you finally at the point of death that Jesus son of Mary was no more than a human messenger and prophet from his lord to the children of Israel, alone. How you a Yoruba man get tangled with me is the headache you have.

Just the same way the Children of Israel who refuse to even acknowledge him as a Messenger and Prophet will be shocked at the point of death, when the true reality hit them.

Where is **Osisi? Lol.

olabowale:

@Davidylan: « #119 on: Today at 08:25:44 PM »
Both have "pass over" it in them. Read your Bibeli, again, omo Obanta!
While the Children oif Israel were spared of the agony of death.
The believers will be spared the agony of falling into Hell and its punishments!

Ridiculous . . . someone told me the muslim was incapable of reasoning and now its confirmed.
So everytime i say "pass over" the salt, i mean the jewish feast of the passover?

- The children of Israel werent spared the agony of death, God wasnt killing them in the first place - he never said he would. The blood of the lamb was simply to separate his own from the Egyptians. God sent the angel of death so the Israelites could be allowed to leave by the obstinate pharaoh.

- If allah loved these "believers" why shld they even pass over hell in the first place? why see it at all?

olabowale:

Oh confused heart; jesus was not even known then. Moses was the Messenger and prophet (AS) who led them out of Egypt. Tell me where jesus was, since the Children of israel say that their Lord is yahweh or Jehovah! No Jesus to be found in here! david, don't humor me. I dislike bad jokes and you are known for them.

Yeah because if you read through the journey of the israelites thru the wilderness, God refused to tell them His name. Jacob asked, Moses asked, the israelites also asked . . . it was not given to them for that time.

olabowale:

Allah and i hope you do follow instructions! Surah 19 verse 71 shows the Mercy of allah, since the believers will see hell but will not go to it. With this sight, they can appreciate the Favor of Allah on them. Unlike disbeliever; hell is a raging and greedy place. They should be prepared, man.

you are merely being desperately deceptive . . . if allah were indeed "merciful" he would send you to janaat straight instead of making you see suffering, sorrow and death.

olabowale:

The same reason that Allah let the Children of Israel passed safely between the water walls of the sea, while the disbelieveing Egyptians perished in the same situation.

allah is now claiming credit for biblical miracles? Why has he NO miracle of his own in the quran? why must he borrow from the bible? Why did allah do this alleged miracle for the jews and totally forgot Ishmael who probably needed a miracle too?

@Davidylan: « #121 on: Yesterday at 11:41:04 PM »

Ridiculous . . . someone told me the muslim was incapable of reasoning and now its confirmed.

Because of the word "Passover?" I will have to educate you about the Children of Israel's "pass-over", so that you can know the foundamental importance of the event, which is not the meal or the slaughter or the blood on the door frame; post s and beam. But the fact that their homes were skipped over by it being spared of the lost of lives; both humans and flocks. It is the same with the "passing over" of the muslims in Surah 19 Verse 71!

So everytime i say "pass over" the salt, i mean the jewish feast of the passover?

John boy, it is not the meal/Jewish feast. Duuh. The feast is a prelude to the angel of death passing over the homes. The angel passing over them is the passover, while the visit of the angel of death in the homes of the Egyptians meant no passover for the Egyptians, because they are touched with the experience of loss of lives.

The none muslims are the "Egyptians" in this case of passing over of the hellfire, which is actually loss of lives from experiencing Paradise. But the Muslims are the "Children of Israel" in the same case of passing over hell which means that they are spared (InshaAllah) from going to hell, even though they have to go through the sighting of it. And their reward in Paradise is even the most sweet, because they could have been in hell, except by the Mercy of Allah they escape it!

David, you don't have the Mercy of allah and the slaughtered lamb can't help diddlee, since it was consumed by the Children of Israel in their "feast!" Remember, man?

- The children of Israel werent spared the agony of death, God wasnt killing them in the first place - he never said he would.

Same with the Muslims in Surah 19, Verse 71. Read it david for "rebuke, for instructions, etc!" I go Bibeli on you, boyyyyyyyye!

The blood of the lamb was simply to separate his own from the Egyptians.

Laa ila ha ilAllah Muhammadanr Rasulullah (AS) and the acts of worship and good deeds have done that for the muslims. We don't have to kill any animals, except for consumption!

God sent the angel of death so the Israelites could be allowed to leave by the obstinate pharaoh.

The oscillating bridge over the hell does the same thing. Since there will be no more dying, when the non-muslims fall inside hell, it will be for ever, since it is guaranteed that they will never be in Paradise!

- If allah loved these "believers" why shld they even pass over hell in the first place? why see it at all?

Same reason the Children of Israel were made to slaughter their animals, paint their door posts and remain indoors, etc.


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Yeah because if you read through the journey of the israelites thru the wilderness, God refused to tell them His name. Jacob asked, Moses asked, the israelites also asked . . . it was not given to them for that time.
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Did Adam or Noah or Ibrahim (AS), just to name a few before the generation of isaac knew the name of the universal God? If any of them knew, then you statement about some Unknown God of Jacob, Moses, etc is simply silly like a belief that preaches such a farce! Read again, aburo. I know you are angry at me, so you refused to pick up my phone calls. Ijebu aree. I called you refused to pick up, yet I know your penny pinching heart will not call me. You tight wog, or eagle claw!


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you are merely being desperately deceptive . . . if allah were indeed "merciful" he would send you to janaat straight instead of making you see suffering, sorrow and death.
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Aren't you david being disingenuous by your statement? Take the case of your dead god for example; you claim that he had to suffer, and experience sorrow and death. We muslims only have to just see them and never to experience them, yet you can see how highly favored we are by Allah?!


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allah is now claiming credit for biblical miracles? Why has he NO miracle of his own in the quran? why must he borrow from the bible? Why did allah do this alleged miracle for the jews and totally forgot Ishmael who probably needed a miracle too?
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If there was no "Bible", never mind the many versions and editions, the Qur'aan from the Owner of the Throne Supreme will still tell the accurate story of what happened to Musa and the bani Israil under him and Fir'awn and his junudu (army)! Afterall, Qur'aan states that they "body" of Fir'awn will be saved so that future generations shall know about it.

Please tell me what happened to the "body" of Pharaoh who drowned in the sea? Use your Bible and please quote generously from it. I also need to know that up to the time that Qur'aan reported that a drowned person's body is recovered from the water, there is no record that such a thing ever happened. Today, we see the divers recovering bodies from the waters.

Y CANT U PPLE SIT AND THINK ABOUT UR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH SO EVER UR GOD IS INSTEAD OF SAYING NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT UR BELIEVE. BUT I THINK IT IS WRITTEN IN THE HOLY QURAN THAT U SLD NOT SAY ANY BAD THING AGAINST THE PPLE OF THE BOOK SO THAT THEY WONT SAY ANY NEGATIVE WORD AGAINST UR RELIGION AND UR GOD ALSO WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE THAT THOU SHALE NOT JUDGE, WHO SO EVER IS AN IGNORANT OF ANY RELIGION SHOULD LEAVE IT AND CONCENTRATE ON HIS OWN RELIGION.ITS HIGH TIME U THINK ABT UR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH UR GOD .PLS LEAVE JESUS,MU HAMMED AND THE REST ALONE FOR GOD ALMIGHTY.SAVE UR PERSONAL LIFE INSTEAD

@Alimat2

I think the folks are just having an intellectual expository into the concept of Jesus in Islam which is educative and enlightening.

It is in the Quran not to speak aginst the false gods and idols so they dont insult Allah in return.

Lagosboy:

@Alimat2

I think the folks are just having an intellectual expository into the concept of Jesus in Islam which is educative and enlightening.

It is in the Quran not to speak aginst the false gods and idols so they dont insult Allah in return.

I THINK THIS HAS GONE BEYOUND INTELLCTUALS. PLEASE THINKKKKKKK-

no answers to a single one of my questions just yet? And here was i thinking allah was some "god".

alimat go and play on the romance threads, this is not a place for the shaky mooslim.

@ davidylan
Thank you 4 ur advise, but u will tel me where it is written in the bible that u should
make mockery of ur believe