I am a pastor and as such I am a god in every respect. TRUE OR FALSE ?

Just a question? Since a god is something to be worshipped, who will be worshipping you?

If you are truly a pastor please stay away from any such doctrine that might lead your flock into damnation. How does that help them to know and be like Christ?

The Only God is the El-Shaddai and as such i don't see why humans have to constitute themselves into gods.

How can a pastor be a God ? A pastor is a servant of God so he can't be a God

maxell:

How can a pastor be a God ? A pastor is a servant of God so he can't be a God

@ MAXELL
I repeat, I am a pastor and as such I am a god but I am not God. (please note the difference). Tanxx

What is a god?

A god has many definitions, I will explain the context with which it was used in the bible much later as I have to run out now. Catch you later.

I am a god not just because i am a pastor but b/c Psalm 82:6 of the holy bible says "I HAVE SAID YOU ARE gods, AND ALL OF YOU ARE CHILDREN OF THE MOST HIGH"
furthermore, john 10:34 "JESUS ANSWERED THEM"IS IT NOT WRITTEN IN YOUR LAW,' I SAID YOU ARE gods'''
and i stand by the truth in the holy bible.
Note: my people are destroyed because of lack of knowledge.
Dats why i say here, MAN KNOW THYSELF
Andstel

ANDSTEL:

I am a god not just because i am a pastor but b/c Psalm 82:6 of the holy bible says "I HAVE SAID YOU ARE gods, AND ALL OF YOU ARE CHILDREN OF THE MOST HIGH"
furthermore, john 10:34 "JESUS ANSWERED THEM"IS IT NOT WRITTEN IN YOUR LAW,' I SAID YOU ARE gods'''
and i stand by the truth in the holy bible.
Note: my people are destroyed because of lack of knowledge.
Dats why i say here, MAN KNOW THYSELF
Andstel

@ ANDSTEL,
Hey, tanxx for dropping in. It is nice knowing that there is someone here who knows the scriptures as he ought to. I have pointed these same scriptures to them in a sister topic.

Christians are not "gods"! It is biblically ignorant to read John 10:34 or Psalm 82:6 as suggesting that Christians are "gods'. Read Psalm 82:7 where it talks about what will happen to those that had just been referred to as "gods" in the immediate previous verse (82:6). Read also the whole of John chapter 10 to see the people that Jesus was talking to ----- those who wanted to stone and kill Him! {These are the people that modern Christians who call themselves "gods" are identifying with ---- pathetic!}

It is a sin to say a person (Christian or not) is a "god"; it is the same thing that Satan used to deceive Adam and Eve --- 'your eyes will be open and you will be like God' to paraphrase from Genesis.

I know that some false teachers have misled many people into believing this nonsense --- but the truth remains that the Bible does not teach it.

@ enigma
Welcome my brother. Feel free to express urself jare.

@ SEUN,
Sorry for the delay, I had to do a proper cut and paste job on your question so I am quoting Pastor David Reagan :



"The title, god, carries the idea of one who is exalted and powerful. Only God has all power and is fully exalted. In this sense, He alone is God (Psalm 86:8-10; Isaiah 44:6; 45:22). We are to have no other gods before Him (Exodus 20:3).


Yet, 1Corinthians 8:4-6 tells us that there are many that be called gods: "For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God." Here, we see that there are beings called gods both in heaven and in earth. In Genesis 3:5, one of the temptations by the serpent is that by eating the forbidden fruit men can be "as gods." But who are these human gods?



Exodus 22:28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

Here, the rulers of the people are connected with gods. Their power over others gives them a position similar to that of gods.

Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

In this psalm, God is declared to be the great Judge of all the earth (v.1). He is contrasted with the earthly judges who "judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked" (v.2). They are the ones who are called gods. A god is one who is exalted and powerful. He makes decisions in the lives of others. These powerful men were gods (not God) because of their power, but because of their unjust judgment they will "die like men, and fall like one of the princes" (v.7). Their power will not keep them from death or from their own judgment. "



Hope this answers your question.

The child of a goat is a goat; the child of a cow is a cow; the child of a lion is a lion; the child of a man is a man. Therefore, the child of God is a god.

@Goodguy,
Hmmmm,

goodguy:

The child of a goat is a goat; the child of a cow is a cow; the child of a lion is a lion; the child of a man is a man. Therefore, the child of God is a god.

So that means all the millions of people on earth that are children of God (e.g. christians, muslims) are individual Gods ?

enigma, i beg to disagree. lets look at psalm 82 again. [by the way i use the amplified].

Vs 1- GOD STANDS in the assembly [of the representatives] of God; in the midst of the magistrates or judges He gives judgment [as] among the gods true the gods talked about are the judges or representatives of God.

vs 6 - I said, You are gods [since you judge on My behalf, as My representatives]; indeed, all of you are children of the Most High.(A) as can be seen the gods are children of the most high

vs - 7 But you shall die as men and fall as one of the princes. they will only die because they judged wrongfully. see vs 2-5.

vs 6 categorically states that the gods are children of the most high.

Lafile

Sorry, proper biblical exegesis takes more than what you have attempted.

Second, the Amplified Bible is not a good version for proper exegesis though it may be helpful for some general insights.

Now to your comment; look at your verse 1: "God stands in the assembly of God"; you see the initial problem with this version even despite the insertion of "of representatives"?


You say the judges will only die because they judged wrongfully; will the judges not have "died" even if they had judged rightly?

Does the fact that people are described as "children of the Most High", on its own, mean they are gods?

Finally, the word translated as "gods' there is "Elohim"; it might interest you to know that even the devil, satan, is called "Elohim" in the Bible: in what sense then is satan/the devil a "god" or indeed God?

hey enigma
exegesis? me?? was just trying to explain what i thot was true.
Now to your comment; look at your verse 1: "God stands in the assembly of God"; you see the initial problem with this version even despite the insertion of "of representatives
i agree with ur comment on vs 1, but it really doesnt affect my point
You say the judges will only die because they judged wrongfully; will the judges not have "died" even if they had judged rightly?
yes they would have died but not like mere men. see the NIV.
Does the fact that people are described as "children of the Most High", on its own, mean they are gods?
from my understanding of the verse the same people were called "gods" AND "children of the most high"
Finally, the word translated as "gods' there is "Elohim"; it might interest you to know that even the devil, satan, is called "Elohim" in the Bible: in what sense then is satan/the devil a "god" or indeed God
yes you are absolutely right, but then again 2 Corinthians 4:4 calls the devil the god of this world.

finally looking through john 10, i find nothing to indicate what you said in your first post.

thanks.

yes they would have died but not like mere men. see the NIV.

I agree. But see the footnote in this link: http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Psa&chapter=82&version=nkjv and you will see that the original intention in the Hebrew was to use "Elohim" in that context to mean mighty ones; hence you have the contrast that even though they were "mighty ones", they would die like men. Notice also that the NIV puts the word "gods" in Psalm 82 in quotes just like I've done here; it is for the same reason - to alert the reader that "gods" in the book is not to be taken literally.

from my understanding of the verse the same people were called "gods" AND "children of the most high"

Notice this from your own citation of the Amplified:

vs 6 - I said, You are gods [since you judge on My behalf, as My representatives]; indeed, all of you are children of the Most High.

See the ; that I have highlighted; it shows the separation from calling them "Elohim" and also saying they were children of the Most High. Read it carefully also in other versions and you will see a separation.

yes you are absolutely right, but then again 2 Corinthians 4:4 calls the devil the god of this world

Exactly; I was hoping you would bring that up; how do we then make a distinction when satan is called "god" and when man is called "god"? So when Psalm 82 says "ye are gods", are the people then "gods" in the same sense and of the same kind as satan is also "god"; and is that desirable?

finally looking through john 10, i find nothing to indicate what you said in your first post

People who say Christians are "gods' tend to rely on what Jesus said in John 10:34 "Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?". But what they fail to notice (and what the fraudulent ones fail to point out) is who Jesus said those words to and in what context. To get that read from John 10:19 (or even from John 10:1) and you will see that He was using that passage to rebuke the people who wanted to stone Him for His utterances that suggested that He Himself was divine.


PS I am enjoying discussing this with you

KDK!

Manipulator of scripture and supporter of humanism. Starter of contentious threads, Abandoner of same.

Pray tell, as a god, what are you expectations? Money? More power? A virgin? Worship in the form of a goat head?

I am curious to hear.

Trini_girl,
Thanks for your comment. You have already passed judgement so what do you want me to add or say?

KDK:

Trini_girl,
Thanks for your comment. You have already passed judgement so what do you want me to add or say?

KDK

Don't be such a whiner! When you make such strong statements as "I am a god!" be prepared to defend it! Otherwise why start a thread like that in the first place!

In any event, since you asked what I want you to say, how about an admission of folly and a retraction of the statements on this and that other thread where you posted a 6 part book.

trini_girl:

In any event, since you asked what I want you to say, how about an admission of folly and a retraction of the statements on this and that other thread where you posted a 6 part book.

Ah!!!
Pigs will fly .

@ trini_girl,
Thank you for your comment,they were noted;God bless you.

** trini girl dances victory dance around thread **

lol 

Oh Lord help us I thought we were getting rid of the pastor Kings in this world. Look mate you have no power dont let anyone deceive you, you are not blessed with superhuman powers. Aren't you meant to be humble? This is your first step to a massive downfall. Your job as a pastor/preacher whatever is to spread the word and gain souls not declare your self an idol. Wheather God god it dont matter THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER!

I hope this is a fake post and you are not a real pastor because for you to even ask this question shows you are lost.

LadyT:

Oh Lord help us I thought we were getting rid of the pastor Kings in this world. Look mate you have no power don't let anyone deceive you, you are not blessed with superhuman powers. Aren't you meant to be humble? This is your first step to a massive downfall. Your job as a pastor/preacher whatever is to spread the word and gain souls not declare your self an idol. Wheather God god it don't matter THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER!

I hope this is a fake post and you are not a real pastor because for you to even ask this question shows you are lost.

Bico! Lai lai! if he be pastor I be Pope!

goodguy:

The child of a goat is a goat; the child of a cow is a cow; the child of a lion is a lion; the child of a man is a man. Therefore, the child of God is a god.

And you think you have a valid statement here You are more confused really.

mrpataki:

And you think you have a valid statement here You are more confused really.

Now you guys are beginning to bore me with these "You're blind", "You're deluded", "You're confused" talks.  These words have even become so synonymous with you and david, that each time I see them, I immediately assume one of you made the statement.  You are the only two that know the confused, blind and deluded Christians on Nairaland.  I guess Seun needs to give you both awards.

Atimes, I wonder how you both reason, especially you pataki.  If someone says something you don't understand or agree with, the person is automatically a "confused" person to you.  And let's even assume you're right about the person, rather than show the person the way you think he/she should follow, as a good Christian that you've been trying so hard to portray you are, you'd rather take delight in insulting the person more and emphasize more how "confused" he/she is.  I am not in the position to question your belief though.  I will not tell you how 'blind' or 'deluded' I feel you are, but I'll leave you to weigh yourself internally.  Do not forget that a good Christian is not determined by how big his Bible is, nor the number of Bible verses he can quote offhand.

Now to the issue you raised.  Isn't it funny how you never even said anything to the person that outrightly declared himself as a god, but you're so quick to accuse me of declaring myself a god that should be worshipped and also make me know how "confused" I am from a post, made 5 months ago, that was meant to be comical?

I honestly don't know the kind of Christians we seem to have around these days.  Frankly speaking, if I was a Muslim and it was "Christians" like you I encountered throughout my life time, God knows I will never convert to Christianity (I really don't blame the Muslims on this forum for not seeing the supposed truth you claim to be showing them), and I know He will never punish me for that, because if one was to choose a religion he wants to belong to by the attitudes of the members of that religion, your attitudes here are enough to make one totally denounce Christianity.  But thank God, I'm not a Christian because of anybody.  And if you're so unsure about my stance in Christianity, why don't you face much more pressing issues, starting with changing your own attitude?  If you think I am not a Christian, and you're aren't ready to show me "the truth" you claim to know either, why bother yourself then over something that will not even secure you a place in heaven, as that is the ultimate reason for our existence?

One more thing - If all you know how to do is nitpick my posts all over the forum, I'd advise you rather get a life.

@ goodguy,

Again you allow your mischievious tendencies to cloud up your reasoning to spiritual matters. In as much you tend to state that the child of a goat is a goat (kid) , i should therefore imply that the child of a bastard is a bastard too or that the child of a pauper is as well a pauper too , or that the child of a devil is the devil himself

Grow out of it goodguy, you can reason better than this. Ask the holyspirit for a reasoning idealogy before you talk your childish babbles henceforth.

Thank you Sir.

Lol, OP

being a pastor does not make one a god.
read more on argumentum ad ignorantiam.

The argument to ignorance is a logical fallacy of irrelevance occurring when one claims that something is true only because it hasn't been proved false, or that something is false only because it has not been proved true. A claim's truth or falsity depends upon supporting or refuting evidence to the claim, not the lack of support for a contrary or contradictory claim.

"absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"
"I can't believe this is possible, so it can't be true."

goodguy:

Thank you Sir.

You are most welcome.