johnw74:


appleyard agrees with An2elect2 that Jesus alone is God,
according to that statment, the Father is not God,
they don't come any blinder than that.

Cause you still have not been able to prove your three persons in one God, neither have you been able to disproved or accept the fact that It has been the work of ONE ENTITY all the time.

Appleyard:


......only that there are no more circles you can run around....

appleyard:

You can say that again!

You agreed with An2elect2 there, that Jesus alone is God,
so the father is not God according to you and an2.

The problem is, they kept running in circles, as they can not disprove the fact that its only One being all the time. They can't disproved the fact that Jesus is the Comforter, Just as they can't disprove the fact that Jesus is the Almighty God. Just as they can't disprove the fact that God is Omnipresent!rolleyessmiley

We have shown with scripture that God is three persons,
so you lie there.

We have shown with scripture that Jesus sent the Holy Spirit,
you lie again there.

You will never begin to know Jesus who is the Truth, while you are living in lies.

Appleyard:


8-)8-)
Powerful! The Branch and the Root. Your interpretation is on point.. When Jesus confronted the Pharisees with that, they could not answer back, for GOD's ways are unsearchable! None can fathom His ways-- Isaiah 40 vs 28, Rom. 11 vs 33; except by REVELATION!
So, They 'must' go on fragmentizing God.

Now, brother, check this;

who did Abraham in the Old testament had encounter with? Who met with him? Who promised him a child-Isaac, and gave him that child? Who asked him to leave his people and go to another place? Who ask him to sacrifice Isaac, and son?
None else, but JEHOVAH GOD! Not the Son nor Holy Ghost, right?

But.....behold the shocker!

John 8 vs 56;

Your Father Abraham REJOICED to see my Day; and he saw it, and WAS glad.

Blood of God! Did you get that, or is something wrong with my copy of the Bible?

Why?

Where in the Old testament was it ever mentioned that Abraham saw Jesus Christ, heard instructions and recieved promises from Him, and so became GLAD? Or was told about His coming in the future? No place at all!
Then does it mean that our Lord Jesus is telling a Lie? God forbid!

Boooooooooom!

Another fact!

JESUS CHRIST OF THE NEW TESTAMENT IS JEHOVAH OF THE OLD TESTAMENT!

Hahhahahahahahaha !

Oh, Glorious God!

.One being all the time! What a Mystery!

No wonder the bible asked (1 Cor. 1vs20) where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this world? In other words, where are the remnants from the wake of the Nicene council, and the die-hards of Roman Catholic creeds and dogmas? For God (vs 21) had destroyed the wisdom of this world.

But unto us, (those who know the truth) preach and accept Christ (the word that became Flesh) THE POWER OF GOD and THE WISDOM OF GOD (vs 24)

Brothers, shout JESUS!


TRINITARIANISM IS PAGANISM!

Do me a favour, help explain the quote below in the light of your explanations;
Revelations 5:1-7
And I saw lying on the [a]open hand of Him Who was seated on the throne a scroll (book) written within and on the back, closed and sealed with seven seals;
2 And I saw a strong angel announcing in a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the scroll? And [who is entitled and deserves and is morally fit] to break its seals?
3 And no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth [in the realm of the dead, Hades] was able to open the scroll or to take a [single] look at its contents....
5 Then one of the elders [[b]of the heavenly Sanhedrin] said to me, Stop weeping! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root (Source) of David, has won (has overcome and conquered)! He can open the scroll and break its seven seals...
7 He then went and took the scroll from the right hand of Him Who sat on the throne.
My focus is on verse 7. Thanks in anticipation

Appleyard:


8-)8-)
Powerful! The Branch and the Root. Your interpretation is on point.. When Jesus confronted the Pharisees with that, they could not answer back, for GOD's ways are unsearchable! None can fathom His ways-- Isaiah 40 vs 28, Rom. 11 vs 33; except by REVELATION!
So, They 'must' go on fragmentizing God.

Now, brother, check this;

who did Abraham in the Old testament had encounter with? Who met with him? Who promised him a child-Isaac, and gave him that child? Who asked him to leave his people and go to another place? Who ask him to sacrifice Isaac, and son?
None else, but JEHOVAH GOD! Not the Son nor Holy Ghost, right?

But.....behold the shocker!

John 8 vs 56;

Your Father Abraham REJOICED to see my Day; and he saw it, and WAS glad.

Blood of God! Did you get that, or is something wrong with my copy of the Bible?

Why?

Where in the Old testament was it ever mentioned that Abraham saw Jesus Christ, heard instructions and recieved promises from Him, and so became GLAD? Or was told about His coming in the future? No place at all!
Then does it mean that our Lord Jesus is telling a Lie? God forbid!

Boooooooooom!

Another fact!

JESUS CHRIST OF THE NEW TESTAMENT IS JEHOVAH OF THE OLD TESTAMENT!

Hahhahahahahahaha !

Oh, Glorious God!

.One being all the time! What a Mystery!

No wonder the bible asked (1 Cor. 1vs20) where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this world? In other words, where are the remnants from the wake of the Nicene council, and the die-hards of Roman Catholic creeds and dogmas? For God (vs 21) had destroyed the wisdom of this world.

But unto us, (those who know the truth) preach and accept Christ (the word that became Flesh) THE POWER OF GOD and THE WISDOM OF GOD (vs 24)

Brothers, shout JESUS!


TRINITARIANISM IS PAGANISM!

LOL Trinitarians are in trouble! Amen! Amen! Amen!

I know some of my brothers and sisters who are die hard trinitarians themselves...i will never fully understand why they believe thus and why they don't as much bother to scrutinise the trinity lie. I believe deceit and their strong orthodox backgrounds play a major role...but God knows best.

Nonetheless, there are so many who understand that God is just one being, who i can never call brethren for they err when it comes to the fundamentals of the Christian faith.

I think, knowing that Jesus is God is the primacy here. Once a person understands that Jesus is not just a man, or a prophet but the Elohim, the Adonai, the Jah, the I AM, the first and the last, he or she has subconsciously accepted God as just ONE. And nobody can honestly call Jesus LORD except by the spirit of God.

Finally, those fighting endlessly to see that the trinity understanding of God remains, may need to check themselves twice, thrice... until they see the load of deceptions on their heads. God need not divide Himself to perform.

johnw74:


You don't believe the scriptures showing God is more than one Person.

just some:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Pro 8:22 Jehovah possessed me from the beginning of His way, before His works of old.
Pro 8:30 even I was a workman at His side; and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him;

Luk_3:22 And the Holy Spirit came down in a bodily shape, like a dove on Him. And a voice came from Heaven, which said, You are My Son, the Beloved; I am delighted in You.
There is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit together at the same time.

And you didnt include the numerous posts and scriptures i cited previously, where GOD was acting two things at the same time, Or you didnt remember?:

you are truely good in repetition.
For we've treated this before.

Joh_14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, so that He may be with you forever,
Jesus said He will pray the Father to give the Holy Spirit,
that's three persons there.

The same repeated issue we've thrashed before. But for the sake of others, lets roll!

Vs 16,--

And I (the Flesh of God-a deity) will pray the Father (the deity who became a Father when he step into time to create), and He shall give you (the desciples and all them that would hereafter believe in Him) another Comforter (the Holy Ghost that is the Original nature of that deity, for God is a Spirit); that He may abide with you forever. ''

Now, watch vs17,

''Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world can not recieve, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but YE (the desciples) KNOW HIM--(How could the desciples have know{n} , not knew, a Spirit that is yet to come? And as if that is not enough,-)--; for he DWELLETH WITH YOU, (who else is dwelling with the desciples physically? For he said 'dwelleth with you', it mean, he is with them physically, and that is why they KNOW HIM)--,and SHALL BE IN YOU.''


Wow!

Dont you get it? He started by saying....and he shall give you ANOTHER COMFORTER....meaning He (Jesus) is the (first) Comforter as long as He was still with them.. And this promised new Comforter is to INDWELL them,only after he must have left(exactly what happened in Acts). But He went on to say they know (not knew) Him, for he is already dwelling with them..

Oh, God! Get it clearly!

Jesus when speaking of the comforter said “he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.” Here we find surprise since the comforter could not be sent until Jesus Christ was glorified. We just read in John 16 that the comforter’s coming was dependent on Jesus going away.
How is it that the comforter who was yet to be sent “dwelleth with them” in John 14?

This passage explains itself. Jesus didn’t leave off in verse 17. He continues in the next verse by saying:

Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU.

Ask yourself, did Christ returned a second time? Then how did he fulfilled that promise?
And who Came back again?

GBOOM!

Christ was dwelling with them PHYSICALLY AS THE COMFORTER and he was going to come back as the comforter again and dwell in them (SPIRIRUTALLY).

Christ is the comforter himself.

Scriptures speaks for themselves.


The greek word for comforter is “parakletos”. John uses this word 5 times in scripture. The 5th time it is used is 1 John 2:1. It is translated “Advocate”

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Christ is the “parakletos”

Jesus is the Comforter!8-)

Joh_16:7 But I tell you the truth, it is expedient for you that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Comforter will not come to you. But if I depart, I will send Him to you.

Referring to the Holy Spirit, Jesus said "I will send Him to you",
Jesus didn't say, "I will come to you".

He that went away is He that came back again.. The explanations and verses that wrote themselves are there for all to see.. I didnt write them...
Except u wana say Jesus is a liar. And i doubt u will..

You are confused, I believe the Father-God and the Son-Word is Almighty God.



You are confused, I believe God's Spirit is everywhere.



You cannot help but lie, can you

Your confusion is speaking louder and louder. If d Son is God, the Father is God, and both respectively are 'almighy' Gods (since each is God united according to your doctrine) then how many 'Almighties' can there be?

..and that am a liar?.. Simply because scriptures are speaking and interpreting themselves for you, that i have become a liar; then it is a good thing to be called.

And mind you, if you are going to continue running in circles of repetitions upon repetions, expect to answer your own posts.

johnw74:





You agreed with An2elect2 there, that Jesus alone is God,
so the father is not God according to you and an2.




We have shown with scripture that God is three persons,
so you lie there.

We have shown with scripture that Jesus sent the Holy Spirit,
you lie again there.

You will never begin to know Jesus who is the Truth, while you are living in lies.

hahahahhahahahaha....

And we have shown with
scriptures that Jesus is the Father, so we lie not, other than you failed to understand.

And we have shown with scriptures that Jesus is that self-same Comforter, so we lie not, other than you are blind to it.

And as long as you are worshiping a God made up of three distinct persons that became one, then your salvation may not have been made perfect. Why?
Without the Holy Ghost in you, you can't make it to heaven. Because that is the seal that seals one unto the day of rapture.
And you know what? You can only get the Holy Spirit through baptism after believing and confessing Jesus. And that BAPTISM MUST BE IN THE CORRECT FORMULAR, THE CORRECT WAY. Otherwise, no Holy Spirit for you..

Thus, unto what were ye trinitarians baptized?

because before you can talk of someone not knowing Jesus, you should first check your own end.

For if you are baptized in the name of father, son and holy spirit, then you are not even in Christ at the first place...

So, are we ready, Mr Johnw?.. Cos this is also central to the Godhead, and so, you can take it as A SUB-TOPIC....

see yah!

No joke!:|

Scholar8200:
Do me a favour, help explain the quote below in the light of your explanations;
Revelations 5:1-7
And I saw lying on the [a]open hand of Him Who was seated on the throne a scroll (book) written within and on the back, closed and sealed with seven seals;
2 And I saw a strong angel announcing in a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the scroll? And [who is entitled and deserves and is morally fit] to break its seals?
3 And no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth [in the realm of the dead, Hades] was able to open the scroll or to take a [single] look at its contents....
5 Then one of the elders [[b]of the heavenly Sanhedrin] said to me, Stop weeping! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root (Source) of David, has won (has overcome and conquered)! He can open the scroll and break its seven seals...
7 He then went and took the scroll from the right hand of Him Who sat on the throne.
My focus is on verse 7. Thanks in anticipation

Thank you.. I love people who bring facts, and not repetition upon repetitions.

Now, in explaining this verse and what happened therein, we must first try to figure who is that sitting on the throne? What are the characteristics that it is the same being sitting on the throne?

Lets go!

In Ezekiel 1vs1-28, we saw the prophet describing his vision of God's throne and His appearance. Things like the four beasts, the fire and brightness, the bow over as it were in the day of rain (he was describing a rainbow), and in vs28, he confirmrd that He was seeing the appearance of the Lord himself.
In other words, Ezekiel saw a vision of God's throne. The appearance of Jehovah God.

Have that in mind.

Now, in Rev.4vs1-11, John was describing the same scenario, only that this time, he was seeing heaven and its settings, in clearer view. But the similarities with that of Ezekiel was visible: the four beasts, the brightness, the rainbow, etc.
Then He that sat on the throne was confirmed in vs8, to be the LORD GOD ALMITHY.

Now, we have established that He that sat on the throne is the Almighty God Himself, and none else. Good.

And we must let this FACT stick in:
it is that, we can have 'Might' and many of it, we can have 'Mighty' and many of it, But we can never and Never have ''Almighty'' and another of it, not to talk of many of it. For you can only have one Almighty at a time. And that is the truth!

Now, in Rev.5, there was the book which no man in heaven nor on earth could open. And this book was in the hand of the Almighty God that sat on the throne in Chapter4, but suddenly, a Lamb stood, went and took the book from Him that sat on the throne.

So, who is this Lamb? Lets see.

John.1vs29,

John seeing Jesus said,
..'Behold the LAMB of God, which taketh away the sins of the world..''

what does this mean? It meant that the Lamb that took the book from He that Sat on the throne is JESUS! Is that right? Of course so.

Now, over to Rev.1vs7 down

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the
beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the AIMIGHTY.

WHAAAAAAT!

Who was pierced? Who is coming in clouds? None else but JESUS! Which is' (being spoken of all over the globe), 'which was' (made manifest in the flesh, and slain), 'and Is to' (come with vegeance and judgement upon the earth-the 2nd coming)

AND HE IS THE ALMIGHTY!

Oh glorious God!

Over to Rev.4vs8-

--Holy, Holy Holy, Lord God Almighty, which was ( Manifested in the flesh, seen of Angels, died), which is, (risen and is alife), and is to come (the 2nd coming)

hahahahahah! If God is distinct, Jesus is distinct, then who is coming?

Oh mighty God!

Gboom!

He that Sat on the throne is Jesus, the Lamb that took the book is Jesus! Hahahahahhaah.
YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO ALMIGHTY at the SAME TIME! Except English has lost it meaning!

Oh wonderful! He is OMNIPRESENT: and can Act two different things at One time, or can be at two different places at the SAME TIME.

You don't mean it?

Yeah! He has done it before:

Nehemiah 9:13

13 Thou camest down also upon MOUNT SINAI, and SPAKEST with them FROM HEAVEN,--

GOD came DOWN upon MOUNT SINAI, and AT THE SAME, HE WAS SPEAKING FROM HEAVEN.

Can you beat that?

He dd'nt stop there:

John 3:13.

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but HE THAT CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, even the SON OF MAN which is in HEAVEN.

Did you get that?

Who came down from HEAVEN? JESUS! Who is the SON OF MAN? JESUS! Where was He when making that statement? EARTH!
But where did He say the SON OF MAN is at that moment? HEAVEN!

HAHAHA!.Omnipresent God!

That is your God acting two different things At the Same Time, and In Two Different Places at the same Time.

The Almighty!

One Absolute all the Time!

Appleyard:

Then He that sat on the throne was confirmed in vs8, to be the LORD GOD ALMITHY.

Now, we have established that He that sat on the throne is the Almighty God Himself, and none else. Good.

Now, in Rev.5, there was the book which no man in heaven nor on earth could open. And this book was in the hand of the Almighty God that sat on the throne in Chapter4, but suddenly, a Lamb stood, went and took the book from Him that sat on the throne.

what does this mean? It meant that the Lamb that took the book from He that Sat on the throne is JESUS! Is that right? Of course so.
He that Sat on the throne is Jesus, the Lamb that took the book is Jesus! Hahahahahhaah.
YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO ALMIGHTY at the SAME TIME! Except English has lost it meaning!

You don't mean it?

Yeah! He has done it before:

Nehemiah 9:13

13 Thou camest down also upon MOUNT SINAI, and SPAKEST with them FROM HEAVEN,--

GOD came DOWN upon MOUNT SINAI, and AT THE SAME, HE WAS SPEAKING FROM HEAVEN.

Can you beat that?

He dd'nt stop there:

John 3:13.

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but HE THAT CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, even the SON OF MAN which is in HEAVEN.

Did you get that?

Who came down from HEAVEN? JESUS! Who is the SON OF MAN? JESUS! Where was He when making that statement? EARTH!
But where did He say the SON OF MAN is at that moment? HEAVEN!

HAHAHA!.Omnipresent God!
That is your God acting two different things At the Same Time, and In Two Different Places at the same Time.

The Almighty!
One Absolute all the Time!

According to the passage, He (a personality) sat on the throne and the Lamb (another personality) collected the scroll from the One who sat on the throne.
Do you want me to believe, as you have explain here, that God Almighty sat on the throne and the same God Almighty (Jesus, the Lamb) took the scroll from Himself? Can't you see how contradictory this is?

Appleyard:


Another fact!

JESUS CHRIST OF THE NEW TESTAMENT IS JEHOVAH OF THE OLD TESTAMENT!

Hahhahahahahahaha !

Oh, Glorious God!

.One being all the time! What a Mystery!

Much of what you call facts is just your delusion.

Psa 110:1 A Psalm of David. Jehovah said to my Lord, Sit at My right hand until I place Your enemies as Your footstool.

Jehovah God, said to the Word Jesus Christ, sit at my right hand...

Alright Apple, how about this. Revelations 3:21 "... Even as I overcame, and am set down WITH MY FATHER IN HIS THRONE"

Appleyard:


And you didnt include the numerous posts and scriptures i cited previously, where GOD was acting two things at the same time, Or you didnt remember?:

you are truely good in repetition.
For we've treated this before.

That's one way to avoid answering
answer my posts, instead of twisting and changing the subject

johnw74:


You don't believe the scriptures showing God is more than one Person.

just some:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Pro 8:22 Jehovah possessed me from the beginning of His way, before His works of old.
Pro 8:30 even I was a workman at His side; and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him;

Luk_3:22 And the Holy Spirit came down in a bodily shape, like a dove on Him. And a voice came from Heaven, which said, You ar[/b]e My Son, the Beloved; I am delighted [b]in You.

There is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit together at the same time.

The same repeated issue we've thrashed before

Again you don't answer but carry on with something else.

johnw74:

Joh_14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, so that He may be with you forever,

Jesus said He will pray the Father to give the Holy Spirit,
that's three persons there.

He that went away is He that came back again

No, Jesus said: "but if i depart I will send Him to you"
Jesus didn't say "but if I depart I will come back to you"

johnw74:

Joh_16:7 But I tell you the truth, it is expedient for you that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Comforter will not come to you. But if I depart, I will send Him to you.

Appleyard:


hahahahhahahahaha....

And we have shown with
scriptures that Jesus is the Father, so we lie not, other than you failed to understand.

It's impossible to show with scripture that the Son is the Father,
it is possible however to show that the Son is God who is One with the Father as shown in these scriptures that you reject.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was [size=14pt]with[/size] God, and the Word was God.

Pro 8:22 Jehovah possessed me from the beginning of His way, before His works of old.
Pro 8:30 even I was a workman at His side; and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him;

Thus, unto what were ye trinitarians baptized?

because before you can talk of someone not knowing Jesus, you should first check your own end.

For if you are baptized in the name of father, son and holy spirit, then you are not even in Christ at the first place...

So, are we ready, Mr Johnw?.. Cos this is also central to the Godhead, and so, you can take it as A SUB-TOPIC....

see yah!

No joke!:|

Mat_28:19 Therefore go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Pro 30:6 Do not add to His Words, lest He reprove you and you be found a liar.

Appleyard:

blah bah blah .....................

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blah blah blah.....................

...................................

blah





And so it goes right down the page, post after post.


Mat_6:7 But when you pray, do not babble vain words, as the nations. For they think that in their much speaking they shall be heard.

It could also be said, in their very many words of babble, they think they fool you.

Appleyard:


......only that there are no more circles you can run around....

The problem is, they kept running in circles,

you are truely good in repetition.

Your confusion is speaking louder and louder.

if you are going to continue running in circles of repetitions upon repetions,

That's just from this page,

you Copy Cat, steal what I have truthfully said to you.

It's showing to be impossible for those holding onto false beliefs to be truthful,

I say to you in truth, and you copy cat in lies.

But then you have nothing else.

Appleyard:



Thank you.. I love people who bring facts, and not repetition upon repetitions.

Now, in explaining this verse and what happened therein, we must first try to figure who is that sitting on the throne? What are the characteristics that it is the same being sitting on the throne?

Lets go!

In Ezekiel 1vs1-28, we saw the prophet describing his vision of God's throne and His appearance. Things like the four beasts, the fire and brightness, the bow over as it were in the day of rain (he was describing a rainbow), and in vs28, he confirmrd that He was seeing the appearance of the Lord himself.
In other words, Ezekiel saw a vision of God's throne. The appearance of Jehovah God.

Have that in mind.

Now, in Rev.4vs1-11, John was describing the same scenario, only that this time, he was seeing heaven and its settings, in clearer view. But the similarities with that of Ezekiel was visible: the four beasts, the brightness, the rainbow, etc.
Then He that sat on the throne was confirmed in vs8, to be the LORD GOD ALMITHY.

Now, we have established that He that sat on the throne is the Almighty God Himself, and none else. Good.

And we must let this FACT stick in:
it is that, we can have 'Might' and many of it, we can have 'Mighty' and many of it, But we can never and Never have ''Almighty'' and another of it, not to talk of many of it. For you can only have one Almighty at a time. And that is the truth!

Now, in Rev.5, there was the book which no man in heaven nor on earth could open. And this book was in the hand of the Almighty God that sat on the throne in Chapter4, but suddenly, a Lamb stood, went and took the book from Him that sat on the throne.

So, who is this Lamb? Lets see.

John.1vs29,

John seeing Jesus said,
..'Behold the LAMB of God, which taketh away the sins of the world..''

what does this mean? It meant that the Lamb that took the book from He that Sat on the throne is JESUS! Is that right? Of course so.

Now, over to Rev.1vs7 down

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the
beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the AIMIGHTY.

WHAAAAAAT!

Who was pierced? Who is coming in clouds? None else but JESUS! Which is' (being spoken of all over the globe), 'which was' (made manifest in the flesh, and slain), 'and Is to' (come with vegeance and judgement upon the earth-the 2nd coming)

AND HE IS THE ALMIGHTY!

Oh glorious God!

Over to Rev.4vs8-

--Holy, Holy Holy, Lord God Almighty, which was ( Manifested in the flesh, seen of Angels, died), which is, (risen and is alife), and is to come (the 2nd coming)

hahahahahah! If God is distinct, Jesus is distinct, then who is coming?

Oh mighty God!

Gboom!

He that Sat on the throne is Jesus, the Lamb that took the book is Jesus! Hahahahahhaah.
YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO ALMIGHTY at the SAME TIME! Except English has lost it meaning!

Oh wonderful! He is OMNIPRESENT: and can Act two different things at One time, or can be at two different places at the SAME TIME.

You don't mean it?

Yeah! He has done it before:

Nehemiah 9:13

13 Thou camest down also upon MOUNT SINAI, and SPAKEST with them FROM HEAVEN,--

GOD came DOWN upon MOUNT SINAI, and AT THE SAME, HE WAS SPEAKING FROM HEAVEN.

Can you beat that?

He dd'nt stop there:

John 3:13.

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but HE THAT CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, even the SON OF MAN which is in HEAVEN.

Did you get that?

Who came down from HEAVEN? JESUS! Who is the SON OF MAN? JESUS! Where was He when making that statement? EARTH!
But where did He say the SON OF MAN is at that moment? HEAVEN!

HAHAHA!.Omnipresent God!

That is your God acting two different things At the Same Time, and In Two Different Places at the same Time.

The Almighty!

One Absolute all the Time!

By their many words they try to convince you they know it.


The Almighty is God

God, is God and the Word
God, is the Father and the Son

The Father is Almighty God
the Word is Almighty God, as the Father and the Word is God.
God is One God, One Spirit
God is two persons in the beginning

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

I post them again for others, as you reject God's Word and so are lost, for now anyway.

Once persons reject God's Bible Scriptures, like you and like bingbagbo and like jw,
I no longer try showing them Truth,
except sometimes showing up their wrongs for the benefit of others.
I'm sure I will be busy showing up some of your wrongs, as I have been already.

Jesus is God b/c He possesses the nature of His Father (everything that made the Father to be God).
If the Father is God, and Jesus, the Son, is also God (as shown by different passages in the Sccriptures), can't we replace the name 'Father' or the name 'Jesus' with 'God' in the bible? Jesus was the name the Father gave His Son before His birth on earth. This is why we use the name 'Jesus', instead of the name 'God'.

johnw74:



By their many words they try to convince you they know it.


The Almighty is God

God, is God and the Word
God, is the Father and the Son

The Father is Almighty God
the Word is Almighty God, as the Father and the Word is God.
God is One God, One Spirit
God is two persons in the beginning

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

I post them again for others, as you reject God's Word and so are lost, for now anyway.

Once persons reject God's Bible Scriptures, like you and like bingbagbo and like jw,
I no longer try showing them Truth,
except sometimes showing up their wrongs for the benefit of others.
I'm sure I will be busy showing up some of your wrongs, as I have been already.

interesting....that proverbs 8 is one of the cults called jws favourite verses

you are a jw!!!

u preach Christ was created contrary to collosians 1:16, John 1:1, Hebrews 1:7-12

i weep for you

Barnabaseloka:

According to the passage, He (a personality) sat on the throne and the Lamb (another personality) collected the scroll from the One who sat on the throne.
Do you want me to believe, as you have explain here, that God Almighty sat on the throne and the same God Almighty (Jesus, the Lamb) took the scroll from Himself? Can't you see how contradictory this is?

The problem with some of us is that, when a fact STARES at us on the face, we find it so difficult to comprehend and believe. Why? Because we have so much lean to our own understanding than what the scriptures and known facts had to say about such a mystery.
You are asking me; why dont you explain how God can be upon mount Sinai, and at the same time speaking from heaven?
Or better still; why don't you explain how Jesus can be on earth , around His disciples, rebuking the Pharisees, and at the Same Time Still Be In Heaven? Are His words not contradictory enough?
It is like you are in Lagos on a business trip, but at the same time, you are lying down in your house over in Warri... It is very hard to digest, but that was what the scriptures conote, my dear brother. God chose to act in ways that we humans can never ever comprehend, if not by Faith..

Brother, i did'nt write those scriptures. God, through men, wrote them; and the interpretations thereof, expecially in John3vs13, was very clear. I didn't event my own interpretations. And that is the truth! What happened in John3vs13 was a pointer to what happened in Rev.5vs8. God doing two different things at the same time. That is why is a mystery!

By the way, how many Almighty can you have? You can't have 'Almighties,' and you know that to be true.

Another problem i see that some of us here have, is inconsistency.
Like our brother Johnw74, when faced with certain facts, he denied that he never argued on God's unlimited presence and capability to do different things at one time, but when same scriptures now speaks and extablished the Almighty's power of Omnipresence and outright ability to do two different things at the same time, he won't accept any of it.

But scriptures speaks for themselves. God act in Mysterious way.

Consider these;

how many ''first and the Last'' can there be? How many ''Alpha and Omega'' can there be? How many ''begining and the end'' can there be? Who is coming?
If, according to the trinitarian doctrine, the Father is a distinct person, the son is a distinct person; then who are we expecting to come? Because now, in Rev.1vs8, Jesus is the person we are expecting to come. Even the likes of paul had talked about that. But in Rev.4vs8, the Lord God Almighty is the One that is to come. So how many comers now? Isn't that contradictory also?

More 'contradictory' statement for thee, brother;

Who is the Lamb that died on the cross? Jesus! Who was pierced on the cross? Jesus! Right?

But it will interest you to know that Jehovah God by His own statements inferred that He was the 'Lamb'.

How?

Here---

Zechariah. 12vs10,

''And I (Jehovah God) will pour upon the house of David(the royalty lineage), and upon the Inhabitants of Jerusalem (the traditional Jews), the spirit of grace and of supplication (remember they were blinded); and they shall LOOK upon ME (Jehovah) whom they have Pierced: and they shall Mourn for Him as one mourneth for his only son.....

What!

Where was it written that the jews Pierced Jehovah God? And don't tell me He meant 'sin,' because if that was the case, he would have, like before, said 'rebellous people, who have rebelled against me', transgressed against me', sinned against me,' etc etc .

But here, He said, 'they Pierced Me'.
How was that possible? Only when he was manifested in the Flesh (1Tim.3vs16)

--I will pour--the spirit of GRACE and of Supplication--why would God do this to the traditional Jews? Simple. They were blinded in part to reject the Gospel of Christ so that we the Gentiles, can be grafted in by adoption, through faith in Jesus (Rom.11vs18-25.)

Thus, they were not able to decode that the Lamb they Pierced and killed on the cross, is their Jehovah of old. It was when He shall returned as 'the son of David,' after the dispensation of the Gentiles , and upon rebuiding of the Temple, as recorded in Daniel, then their eyes would be opened to the mystery, and they shall Mourn and wail for Him (refering to the time when he shall make know himself to them.. Remember Thomas)

So God Himself is that same Lamb, and the Lamb is Almighty God!8-).

Greatest Mystery ever!

He is the Alpha and Omega! He is the begining and the end! He is the first and the last! Mighty God! Everlasting Father! Prince of peace! Lord of lords. King of Kings! That sit in the Midst of the throne!
The Lamb! The Omniprent! The Omnipotent! The Almighty! The Almighty! The Almighty!

Jehovah overdoooooo!

One incomperable Being all the time!

Bless the Lord oh my soul...

johnw74:


Much of what you call facts is just your delusion.

Psa 110:1 A Psalm of David. Jehovah said to my Lord, Sit at My right hand until I place Your enemies as Your footstool.

Jehovah God, said to the Word Jesus Christ, sit at my right hand...

And much of what you called delusions are as a results of scriptures countering a satanic doctrine that has become part of you; coupled with your inability to to accept that you have been misled in worshiping what you dont know..

Appleyard:


The problem with some of us is that, when a fact STARES at us on the face, we find it so difficult to comprehend and believe. Why? Because we have so much lean to our own understanding than what the scriptures and known facts had to say about such a mystery.
You are asking me; why dont you explain how God can be upon mount Sinai, and at the same time speaking from heaven?

Neh.9:13 You came down also on Mount Sinai. And spoke with them from heaven, And gave them just ordinances and true laws, good statues and commandments. Remember that Nehemiah was reporting what happened on Mount Sinai. For us to understand this, let us go to the original incident. Exodus 19:9, 18-20
9. And the Lord said to Moses Behold I come to you in the thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with you, and believe you forever....
18. Now Mount Sinai was completely in smoke because the Lord descended upon it in fire, its smoke ascended like the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mountain quaked greatly.
19. And when the blast of the trumpet sounded long and became louder and louder, Moses spoke and God answered him by voice.
20. Then the Lord CAME DOWN upon Mount Sinai ON TOP of the mountain. And the Lord called Moses to the top of the mountain and Moses went up.

From the ORIGINAL incident, we can see that God came down ON TOP of Mount Sinai and spoke with the people of Israel (not from heaven but from the top of Mount Sinai). It was not recorded here that the Lord spoke to them from heaven.
Nehemiah was only praying and recalling what happened on Mount Sinai, using his own words to explain it (not exactly as it happened)

Before you make a conclusion with a passage, go to its original context (if there is any) to get clear description of what happened. Anyone quoting an original incident in the bible can use his own words to espress himself to God. So, compare scripture with scripture for better understanding and not just hand-picking one passage.

I say it again that Jesus, the Son, has the nature of His Father (everything that made the Father to be God). This is why Jesus is also God (but not the Father).
Colossians 1:19-20
19. For it was by God's own decision that the Son has in himself the full nature of God.
20. Through the Son, then, God decides to bring the whole universe back to Himself. God made peace through His Son's blood on the cross and so brought back to Himself all things, both on earth and in heaven.

An2elect2:
I know some of my brothers and sisters who are die hard trinitarians themselves...i will never fully understand why they believe thus and why they don't as much bother to scrutinise the trinity lie. I believe deceit and their strong orthodox backgrounds play a major role...but God knows best.

Nonetheless, there are so many who understand that God is just one being, who i can never call brethren for they err when it comes to the fundamentals of the Christian faith.

I think, knowing that Jesus is God is the primacy here. Once a person understands that Jesus is not just a man, or a prophet but the Elohim, the Adonai, the Jah, the I AM, the first and the last, he or she has subconsciously accepted God as just ONE. And nobody can honestly call Jesus LORD except by the spirit of God.

Finally, those fighting endlessly to see that the trinity understanding of God remains, may need to check themselves twice, thrice... until they see the load of deceptions on their heads. God need not divide Himself to perform.

*Sighs* Am I a Trinitarian? Am I not a Trinitarian? Pray, what is wrong with trinitarianism?
So what are you? An Arian? Unitarian? Deist?

5solas:

*Sighs* Am I a Trinitarian? Am I not a Trinitarian? Pray, what is wrong with trinitarianism?
So what are you? An Arian? Unitarian? Deist?

Hey.

An2elect2:


Hey.

Please enlighten me. I have always thought Trinitarianism was the orthodox position. I never read that any fundamental christian, especially the reformers, questioned it.
On the other hand, most heretical groups are Unitarians, or so I thought.

5solas:


Please enlighten me. I have always thought Trinitarianism was the orthodox position. I never read that any fundamental christian, especially the reformers, questioned it.
On the other hand, most heretical groups are Unitarians, or so I thought.

Well, i have always thought the same too until i found it was not taught in the bible. Do you know of any one that taught this "so important for eternal life" doc? Jesus? Paul? Peter? where? you will almost discover none did! how then did it come? the fathers? who were they? was there any divine confirmation when they assembled to decide on the nature of God?

I've read about the Nicene assembly... and how the trinity emanated from pagan beliefs but has remained, unchallenged by many (just like the tithe lie) till today, the catholic church...cult being the main sympathiser of this erroneous understanding of the God head.

However,these were not enough reasons for me to abandon the trinity lie. Before that, i had upheld that God consist of three persons too. Believed so until i was pressed to look into it. I wanted the trinity doc to be true cos i felt it was the truth and has been for a very long time...and so many stood with it without questions. I wanted to silent my probing mind and just believe but i couldn't! Knew something was amiss. I asked reformed Christians, my brothers and sisters in Christ, but was shocked ...they didn't have convincing answers. They "marshalled" other doctrines and they were sound in all ramifications. But why not this!?
Some advised me to quit trying to understand and just believe! what! was i disappointed. I believe other sound doctrines because they were just that...sound to the mind but the trinity was not and till this day, is not sitting well with me.

And yes, i am unitarian when it comes to understanding the God head Am i still a sister?

Will you also torment me for rejecting what i did not see in the scriptures and for what is outrightly illogical?

johnw74:


It's impossible to show with scripture that the Son is the Father,
it is possible however to show that the Son is God who is One with the Father as shown in these scriptures that you reject.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was [size=14pt]with[/size] God, and the Word was God.

Pro 8:22 Jehovah possessed me from the beginning of His way, before His works of old.
Pro 8:30 even I was a workman at His side; and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him;


Mat_28:19 Therefore go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Pro 30:6 Do not add to His Words, lest He reprove you and you be found a liar.

I will only answer you, only on this case, because, our salvation is very important, than our inability to cope with all the scriptural facts that have provided themselves so far.
And if at the end people like we can't get this to heart, it will mean God will have to give us more of his grace.

Now, let the scriptures again interprete themselves.

Mathew28vs19.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Now, like i said earlier, this is very central to the Godhead issue, and it is good that we should hear from the scriptures themselves, and let God alone guide us into all truth.

Now from what we just read, shortly after Christ was Risen, and before He was to ascend, He gave a grand command to the disciples, for the purpose of SALVATION, and that command is very vital to the spiritual life of every believer; in the sense that, it shows if you agree or disagree with the Gospel of Christ (His death and resurrection.)
And this command is BAPTISM! (mark.16vs16)

Thus, in giving this commandment, the Lord Jesus, who can not Lie, said, 'go and baptize them in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost,

Is such directive not as simple as it is? Is it not as straight forward as it is? Of course so..

But behold the shocker!
The Disciples cum Apostles NEVER DID BAPTIZED ANYONE IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, AND OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY GHOST.

Jesus!

Why?

Are they not been disobedient? Why did they carry out another formula? Why why why?

Remember the promised Holy Spirit that was to guide them into all truth, which actually came in Acts 2?
Then how come that after recieving the Holy Ghost, they didnt keep to the command as stated in Math,28vs19? Or was something wrong somwhere?

Lets see through Math.28vs19:

Lets get it clear!

He didnt say; ' in the NAMES of father, son, and Holy Spirit, neither did he said, 'in the Name of the Father, name of the Son, and name of the Holy Ghost.

Now WATCH IT;

He said, in the Name (not Names) of the Father -(is father a name?) and of the Son-(is Son a name?) and of the Holy Ghost-(is Holy Ghost a name?)

what does it tells you? It means, in the Name of the Father-(The Father has a name), and of the Son (the Son has a name) and of the Holy Ghost (the Holy Ghost has a name).

Now, what is the Name of the Father? Is it Joseph? No. For He was not formed by his sperm. Did He gave a name to Himself? No. Then what was the name? John5vs43--I COME IN MY FATHER'S NAME- what is the name, and where did it come from?-Luke.1vs30-31- the name is from above the name is Jesus. Thus since He had no other name he is bearing, He then is bearing the name of the father-JESUS!

THE NAME OF THE SON-thus, is same as above-JESUS!

What is the name of the Holy Spirit? John.14vs26--the Holy Ghost whom the Father will send in My NAME--(He bever said by my name),Thus, the Name of the Holy Ghost is JESUS!

Did you get that now? No wonder the Apostles never baptized anyone in the WHOLE BIBLE by the dictates of Math.28vs19, for they correctly understood, by the Holy Ghost that came upon them on pentecost, that Father, Son; and Holy Ghost are titles of a NAME called- THE LORD JESUS CHRIST! Thus, they baptized everyone in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

They were not disobedient to Jesus regarding math.28vs19.
The Holy Spirit actually led them to the truth:

Acts 2vs1-38,41
Acts 10vs47-48
even them that baptized wrongly previously were rebaptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 19vs1-6.

And the rest went without any mention of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost:

ActS 8vs36-39,
Acts 9vs17-18,
Acts 16vs13-15,
Acts 18vs8,
Acts 22vs16.

And we are baptized into Christ, (not father son and spirit)- Gal. 3vs27.

Because we have One Faith, One Lord,One Baptism-- Eph.4vs5.

In line with the directives in Colosians 3vs17.

The Holy Spirit the Disciples recieved in Acts 2 could'nt have led them astray. Saying that would be blasphemous. Rather, It thought them all things as promised.

Thus, the Name Lord Jesus, is the perfect Name for the Name Demanded in Mathew 28vs19.

One Great Entity all The Time.

Thank you all.

An2elect2:


Well, i have always thought the same too until i found it was not taught in the bible. Do you know of any one that taught this "so important for eternal life" doc? Jesus? Paul? Peter? where? you will almost discover none did! how then did it come? the fathers? who were they? was there any divine confirmation when they assembled to decide on the nature of God?

I've read about the Nicene assembly... and how the trinity emanated from pagan beliefs but has remained, unchallenged by many (just like the tithe lie) till today, the catholic church...cult being the main sympathiser of this erroneous understanding of the God head.

However,these were not enough reasons for me to abandon the trinity lie. Before that, i had upheld that God consist of three persons too. Believed so until i was pressed to look into it. I wanted the trinity doc to be true cos i felt it was the truth and has been for a very long time...and so many stood with it without questions. I wanted to silent my probing mind and just believe but i couldn't! Knew something was amiss. I asked reformed Christians, my brothers and sisters in Christ, but was shocked ...they didn't have convincing answers. They "marshalled" other doctrines and they were sound in all ramifications. But why not this!?
Some advised me to quit trying to understand and just believe! what! was i disappointed. I believe other sound doctrines because they were just that...sound to the mind but the trinity was not and till this day, is not sitting well with me.

And yes, i am unitarian when it comes to understanding the God head Am i still a sister?

You are a beloved sister... of whom I am not well pleased.

Will you also torment me for rejecting what i did not see in the scriptures and for what is outrightly illogical?

That remains to be seen.Please explain how you got to believing this, let me understand you and both doctrines better.

5solas:

You are a beloved sister... of whom I am not well pleased.


That remains to be seen.Please explain how you got to believing this, let me understand you and both doctrines better.

Lol okay. But can it be some other time? Am in a "passive mood" right now. Would love to hear i mean read what you have to say. Will you?

Barnabaseloka:

Neh.9:13 You came down also on Mount Sinai. And spoke with them from heaven, And gave them just ordinances and true laws, good statues and commandments. Remember that Nehemiah was reporting what happened on Mount Sinai. For us to understand this, let us go to the original incident. Exodus 19:9, 18-20
9. And the Lord said to Moses Behold I come to you in the thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with you, and believe you forever....
18. Now Mount Sinai was completely in smoke because the Lord descended upon it in fire, its smoke ascended like the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mountain quaked greatly.
19. And when the blast of the trumpet sounded long and became louder and louder, Moses spoke and God answered him by voice.
20. Then the Lord CAME DOWN upon Mount Sinai ON TOP of the mountain. And the Lord called Moses to the top of the mountain and Moses went up.

From the ORIGINAL incident, we can see that God came down ON TOP of Mount Sinai and spoke with the people of Israel (not from heaven but from the top of Mount Sinai). It was not recorded here that the Lord spoke to them from heaven.
Nehemiah was only praying and recalling what happened on Mount Sinai, using his own words to explain it (not exactly as it happened)

Before you make a conclusion with a passage, go to its original context (if there is any) to get clear description of what happened. Anyone quoting an original incident in the bible can use his own words to espress himself to God. So, compare scripture with scripture for better understanding and not just hand-picking one passage.

I say it again that Jesus, the Son, has the nature of His Father (everything that made the Father to be God). This is why Jesus is also God (but not the Father).
Colossians 1:19-20
19. For it was by God's own decision that the Son has in himself the full nature of God.
20. Through the Son, then, God decides to bring the whole universe back to Himself. God made peace through His Son's blood on the cross and so brought back to Himself all things, both on earth and in heaven.

Noted! But....
Like it or not, brother, Nehemiah was reporting what He knew to be truth, and no one can dispute that fact. For all scriptures are inspired by God and beneficial for teaching. Therefore that is scripture as it is.

And what about the MASTER Himself confirming His unlimited power to act omnipresently, as stated in John 3vs13? Is Stjohn also reporting what he didnt see or not sure of? Or it is Jesus, the Almighty, stating a fact?
..
On Jesus, you are always wrong. How can you be Almighty and i am Almighty? How can you be First and the Last, and i am also First and the Last? How can you be the Begining and the End, and i am also the Begining and the End?
Is there any sense of language in all these? You can't have two but one at a time, for Christ Sake!

Its like saying Mr Buhari is a president over Nigeria, and at the same time, his son, Adamu, also has his(Buhari) nature, and so, is also a president. Is that a fact or lack of what?

Brother, you know that is a fact. Jesus can't Lie..


Thanks, sir! I think i might stop posting on this thread for now, got alot of work coming..

Thanks to you, and all that has been here so far. Is been a wonderful time with you brethren here.
And pls, if i might have wrong anyone, do forgive me, and let the Blood speak for us all, amen.

Not withstanding our differences, pls ensure that you, with all your Heart, hold on to Christ Jesus, who is the AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF OUR FAITH..

And may the peace of the Lord be with you all, AMEN....

Shalom.....

Appleyard:


Now, let the scriptures again interprete themselves.

Mathew28vs19.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Now, like i said earlier, this is very central to the Godhead issue, and it is good that we should hear from the scriptures themselves, and let God alone guide us into all truth.

Now from what we just read, shortly after Christ was Risen, and before He was to ascend, He gave a grand command to the disciples, for the purpose of SALVATION, and that command is very vital to the spiritual life of every believer; in the sense that, it shows if you agree or disagree with the Gospel of Christ (His death and resurrection.)
And this command is BAPTISM! (mark.16vs16)

Thus, in giving this commandment, the Lord Jesus, who can not Lie, said, 'go and baptize them in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost,

Is such directive not as simple as it is? Is it not as straight forward as it is? Of course so..

But behold the shocker!
The Disciples cum Apostles NEVER DID BAPTIZED ANYONE IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, AND OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY GHOST.

Jesus!

Why?

Are they not been disobedient? Why did they carry out another formula? Why why why?

Remember the promised Holy Spirit that was to guide them into all truth, which actually came in Acts 2?
Then how come that after recieving the Holy Ghost, they didnt keep to the command as stated in Math,28vs19? Or was something wrong somwhere?

Lets see through Math.28vs19:

Lets get it clear!

He didnt say; ' in the NAMES of father, son, and Holy Spirit, neither did he said, 'in the Name of the Father, name of the Son, and name of the Holy Ghost.

Now WATCH IT;

He said, in the Name (not Names) of the Father -(is father a name?) and of the Son-(is Son a name?) and of the Holy Ghost-(is Holy Ghost a name?)

what does it tells you? It means, in the Name of the Father-(The Father has a name), and of the Son (the Son has a name) and of the Holy Ghost (the Holy Ghost has a name).

Now, what is the Name of the Father? Is it Joseph? No. For He was not formed by his sperm. Did He gave a name to Himself? No. Then what was the name? John5vs43--I COME IN MY FATHER'S NAME- what is the name, and where did it come from?-Luke.1vs30-31- the name is from above the name is Jesus. Thus since He had no other name he is bearing, He then is bearing the name of the father-JESUS!

THE NAME OF THE SON-thus, is same as above-JESUS!

What is the name of the Holy Spirit? John.14vs26--the Holy Ghost whom the Father will send in My NAME--(He bever said by my name),Thus, the Name of the Holy Ghost is JESUS!

Did you get that now? No wonder the Apostles never baptized anyone in the WHOLE BIBLE by the dictates of Math.28vs19, for they correctly understood, by the Holy Ghost that came upon them on pentecost, that Father, Son; and Holy Ghost are titles of a NAME called- THE LORD JESUS CHRIST! Thus, they baptized everyone in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

They were not disobedient to Jesus regarding math.28vs19.
The Holy Spirit actually led them to the truth:

Acts 2vs1-38,41
Acts 10vs47-48
even them that baptized wrongly previously were rebaptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 19vs1-6.

And the rest went without any mention of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost:

ActS 8vs36-39,
Acts 9vs17-18,
Acts 16vs13-15,
Acts 18vs8,
Acts 22vs16.

And we are baptized into Christ, (not father son and spirit)- Gal. 3vs27.

Because we have One Faith, One Lord,One Baptism-- Eph.4vs5.

In line with the directives in Colosians 3vs17.

The Holy Spirit the Disciples recieved in Acts 2 could'nt have led them astray. Saying that would be blasphemous. Rather, It thought them all things as promised.

Thus, the Name Lord Jesus, is the perfect Name for the Name Demanded in Mathew 28vs19.

One Great Entity all The Time.

Thank you all.

Why can't you understand this? To come 'in someone's name' does not mean your name has changed to that of the person you represent. I come 'in my Father's name' means I come im my Father's authority, in His place, instead of my Father, in His position, as if my Father were the person. When one comes 'in the name' of a person, one is only coming to represent someone and not a change of name of the 'representative' to that of the 'represented'

Jesus said '...in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit' not '...in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.' The word 'the' distiguishes the Father from the Son and the Holy Spirit.
The Father and the Holy Spirit name is not Jesus. Only the Son's name is revealed as Jesus. Jesus came in the name of the Father (as a representative of the Father) and so did the Holy Spirit come in the name of the Son, (as a representative of the Son).

Appleyard:


Noted! But....
Like it or not, brother, Nehemiah was reporting what He knew to be truth, and no one can dispute that fact. For all scriptures are inspired by God and beneficial for teaching. Therefore that is scripture as it is.

And what about the MASTER Himself confirming His unlimited power to act omnipresently, as stated in John 3vs13? Is Stjohn also reporting what he didnt see or not sure of? Or it is Jesus, the Almighty, stating a fact?
..
On Jesus, you are always wrong. How can you be Almighty and i am Almighty? How can you be First and the Last, and i am also First and the Last? How can you be the Begining and the End, and i am also the Begining and the End?
Is there any sense of language in all these? You can't have two but one at a time, for Christ Sake!

Its like saying Mr Buhari is a president over Nigeria, and at the same time, his son, Adamu, also has his(Buhari) nature, and so, is also a president. Is that a fact or lack of what?

Brother, you know that is a fact. Jesus can't Lie..


Thanks, sir! I think i might stop posting on this thread for now, got alot of work coming..

Thanks to you, and all that has been here so far. Is been a wonderful time with you brethren here.
And pls, if i might have wrong anyone, do forgive me, and let the Blood speak for us all, amen.

Not withstanding our differences, pls ensure that you, with all your Heart, hold on to Christ Jesus, who is the AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF OUR FAITH..

And may the peace of the Lord be with you all, AMEN....

Shalom.....

Did you read my post well? I said that it was the Father that decided on His own that the Son should have His nature (everything that made Him, Father to be God). If Jesus had in Himself the nature of the Father, is He (Jesus) not also God (not the Father but b/c of the nature He possesses)?

Most of the things Jesus said were new and so were original (directly from His mouth). When someone quotes what has been said before, one might decide to say it the way one understands it, without the meaning lost. It is better for us to go to the original context (if any) for better understanding of an incident.

bingbagbo:


interesting....that proverbs 8 is one of the cults called jws favourite verses

you are a jw!!!

Deluded, you have nothing so you accuse falsely,
the devil is the father of false accusers.

u preach Christ was created contrary to collosians 1:16, John 1:1, Hebrews 1:7-12

I'm not a preacher, and have never said Christ was created, the lies from Bible scripture rejectors are never ending.

i weep for you

What a lot of bull