No2Atheism:

I don't know whether its an atheist thing or an evolutionary thing, however i have noticed from your posts and those of other atheists in the past (even the nairaland administrator) that you people tend to resort to "insults" and "ridicule" even in the face of logical and well referenced points, provided to explain the reason for a particular conclusion.

Its almost like it does not matter whether the point provided is true or not nor does it matter if what is discussed is important or not, it seems to me that your mind (and those of others) is made up and nothing or no one can change it or change your opinion.

For example, although i am guessing you are probably a black man masquerading as an atheist (due to your previous comments), yet despite that I have taking pains to let you see that how biblical references (which i know you don't believe) detailing the ethnicity and race of Paul, Jesus, Moses and others while at the same time show you bible references to back it up so that it can be crosschecked and seen that it is not my personal opinion but rather a biblical fact.

show me where the bible says that paul is black. is jesus black?

Yet it seems that even though you claim not to believe in the bible or its content, you have somehow chosen to believe (what you have been taught) that Paul is White, Jesus is White, Moses (why you believe that is outstanding since you claim not to believe in God, hence how are they supposed to be white if they not even supposed to exist according to your worldview) .
It then begs the question, do you believe they are white or black or neither because the media and most people say so, or is it that you also have another cold fact to support your opinion , "don't you think there is a contradiction here".

On one hand you are willing to dismiss the things that you don't like and don't want to believe , yet on the other hand you are willing to accept things that you like, have been taught and choose to believe, despite that evidences to the contrary exist.



To say I am dumbfounded would be an understatement, simply because my Phd research engineering program and past scientific interest and background tell me to expect that people are capable of crosschecking facts (independent of public opinion) before making an decision about events or situations.

Wow people on nairaland don't seem to cease to amaze me,

again show me where he bible says that paul, jesus and moses were black. it seems you are just another guy on the ropes.

again show me where he bible says that paul, jesus and moses were black. it seems you are just another guy on the ropes.

I don't want to waster my typing strenght repeating myself hence click on the referenced link showing you where i have already mentioned it earlier.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-232711.0.html#msg3461740

No2Atheism:

I don't want to waster my typing strenght repeating myself hence click on the referenced link showing you where i have already mentioned it earlier.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-232711.0.html#msg3461740

So that's your evidence to show that paul, jesus etc were all black people? you are really on the ropes.

I give up , cus it seems you still wouldn't know it, even if the truth hits you on the head,

no2atheism u re sick, there is no difference b/w u and atheists.where did u read that paul and moses were blacks

chukwudi44:

no2atheism u re sick, there is no difference b/w u and atheists.where did u read that paul and moses were blacks

Am sorry that you first line of attack is for you to call me sick, its unfortunate.

1. Yes knowing whether or not Christ, Moses, Paul we black or not is irrelevant in the issue of salvation,

2. Yes Christ died for all people irrespective of their skin colour,

3. What I am talking about in the case of Christ, Moses, Paul and others being people that we would consider "black" people today is based on the fact that it would open the eyes of many people reading this now ,  to the understanding that it is dangerous to just believe and not crosscheck against the Bible what we have watched in movies, what we have been taught in schools and what we have been indoctrinated with while growing up ,
By the way, I also used to think that those people who said Christ was black, were just "nutjobs", until I searched and checked the scriptures myself, to see if what they said was in agreement with the scriptures or not.

4. Christ himself in the book of revelation (the book about this our last days) said that some set of people are going to be lying about their true identity, guess the people he said are going to lying about their true identity, The Jews.

Rev 2:9  I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them [b]which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. [/b]

Rev 3:9  Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, [b]which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
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Now ask yourself, who exactly are the people calling themselves Jews in this our present generation, yes you got right, some European White people are the ones calling themselves Jews, please study and find out about Sephardic Jews, Ashkenazi Jews and Falasha Jews,

By the way, things start getting much more interesting when you realise that you would hardly be able to recognise any difference between a Falasha Jew and an Ethiopian.

(Remember the bible says we should study to show thyself approved, also remember Berean Christians are expected to go back and crosscheck the Bible themselves, they are not just expected to remain indoctrinated by what someone else has said.)
So in essence some people calling themselves are actually not the same people as the blood line of the ancient Isrealites,
You know what I am going to believe Christ Himself and The Bible ,  even if my senses, past indoctrination and other people are screaming against it, hence the reason why I feel compelled to let people see what I am talking about, before they make judgements against me for taking a stand solely based on what the bible clearly says and not on what people popularly believe.

Now a True Christian considers that the Bible is "true" in every way, meaning that if the bible says something is "black" and every other person says it is "white", who exactly are we supposed to believe even in the face of insults, Yes we are supposed to believe the Bible.
Remember the case in which "almost everyone" was saying the earth was flat, yet the bible had already said the earth was round, also remember that the bible had already said the "earth was hanging on nothing", yet we just recently discovered through science that the earth was suspended on nothing in space. So you see, popular opinion is not always indicative of biblical truth, hence why True Christians have to always stand back and make sure whatever they believe is in agreement with the bible, simply because popular opinion would pass away but the Word of God Almighty would always be true, no matter the opposition from you and I.


5. Yes the bible also instructs us to speak the "truth" in all things no matter the consequence , 

6. Yes I know the catholic church claims Christ, Moses, Paul and others are "white",  hence i know i am going to anger a lot of catholics because of my statements. However all catholics and other angered Christians should please note that most of your Christ portraits that you have probably seen were either based on the image of a Spaniard known as Cesare Borgia, born (September 13, 1475 – March 12, 1507) alongside other depictions of Biblical characters as white by European artists of which Michael Angelo was one. Now ask yourself the question since those Europeans were not there during the time Christ how did they know what he looked like,
(see picture of Cesare Borgia below at the end and compare it to the image of Christ that you have been indoctrinated with)

a. Is it possible to find what the Romans thought Christ and others looked like, since the romans had existed during then
b. What exactly did the bible say Christ and others looked like.

Fortunately for us, there exists some "roman coins" (shown below at the end) depicting impression that the romans (who were white people by the way), clearly showed that the Jews of that time were clearly "Not White".


7. Yes I know Hollywood portrays Christ, Moses, Paul and others are "white",

8. Yes I know it is disturbing, and scary for people to realise that they've been brainwashed and lie to when it comes to the Ethnicity of Moses, Christ, Paul and others, I was also shocked when i realised that what the Bible clearly says about them is different from what we have all been brought up to believe about their ethnicity.

9. Yes the bible instructs True Christians to be as gentle as doves at the same time be as wise as serpents, "meaning we must get our facts and head right both in the spiritual and physical realm", and the only way to get out facts right is to check exactly what the bible says in each situation.

10. Yes I know the Catholic church has ancient images and idols of Mary and Christ portraying them as black, yes please find out: even your so called Popes have been known to secretly bow down to the black Madonna (yes please check catholic history, you'll be suprised the amount of lies and things that would be dug up),

11. Some catholic representatives have been known to gradually replace images and statues of black statues with White ones over the ages.

12. Some catholic representatives have been known to claim that "lie" that the reason those statues and images became black was because they darkened over time, funny that they saw that because the "white eye ball areas" of those statues somehow don't darken over time despite that they claim that the idols had darkened over time.

13. Yes the bible clearly shows that Ham and his descendants Cush, Mizraim (i.e. who is also known as Egypt or Kemet) are people we would consider today to be "black" people, you can check that up in the bible for your own confirmation.

14. Recent Historical and Archeological findings goes to show that it is true that Civilisations known as Nubia, Egypt and Olmecs were indeed black civilisations, yes i know the present people in Egypt don't look black, well that is because Arabs invaded them and colonised the area, just the same way as "White South Africans" are not the same as the "Native Black South Africans", "White Americans" are not "Native Americans", "White Australians" are not the same as the "Black Native Australians", unless off course you want to believe that 400 years in the future it would be okay for people then to claim that "White South Africans descended from the Native Black South Africans".

15. Biology shows us that for Noah to have been the father of all races, then it means that he and his wife combined to produce both the white genes and the black genes in their children ,

16. Please note that someone can be an ancient Isrealite and not be an ancient Jew, why!?, well the answer lies in the fact that a Jew is anyone with comes only from the Tribe of Judah, while an Isrealite is anyone who comes from any of the Tribes that make up Isreal.

17. So now here is what we know:

a. We know that the Ethiopians are people considered to "black" , 
b. We know that Egyptians are also people consider to be "black" , (Bible says so for those faithful enough to believe and take the Bible at its word, physical evidence also shows so for those not so believing)


So now based on those two points let's see what the Bible tells about the ethnicity of Moses (an Isrealite), Paul (a Jew an Isrealite), Christ (a Jew and Isrealite) ,
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Infact don't you realise that Moses had to be someone with black skin (i.e. a Black Man, Negro, Blackee which ever one you wish to call him) considering that he was brought up in the house of Pharaoh as an egyptian even while isrealites had already started to suffer persecution from the egyptians, he was mistaken for an egyptian by the daugthers of his father inlaw when he fled Egypt after killing the egyptian and also considering that the family of Isreal ( i.e. Jacob) were mistaken for Egyptians when they were on the procession to bury the dead during the time of Joseph before Moses. Yes Ancient Egyptians and Ancient Egypt was essentially a Black Man's Civilisation (yes the Arabs in Egypt today are mere intruders and trespassers just as Europeans who colonised American are not the original owners of America) 



Exodus 2:11  And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out unto his brethren, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren.
Exodus 2:12  And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand.
Exodus 2:13  And when he went out the second day, behold, two men of the Hebrews strove together: and he said to him that did the wrong, Wherefore smitest thou thy fellow?
Exodus 2:14  And he said, Who made thee a prince and a judge over us? intendest thou to kill me, as thou killedst the Egyptian? And Moses feared, and said, Surely this thing is known.
Exodus 2:15  Now when Pharaoh heard this thing, he sought to slay Moses. But Moses fled from the face of Pharaoh, and dwelt in the land of Midian: and he sat down by a well.





Exodus 2:17  And the shepherds came and drove them away: but Moses stood up and helped them, and watered their flock.
Exodus 2:18  And when they came to Reuel their father, he said, How is it that ye are come so soon to day?
Exodus 2:19  And they said, An Egyptian delivered us out of the hand of the shepherds, and also drew water enough for us, and watered the flock.



Gen 50:7  And Joseph went up to bury his father: and with him went up all the servants of Pharaoh, the elders of his house, and all the elders of the land of Egypt,
Gen 50:8  And all the house of Joseph, and his brethren, and his father's house: only their little ones, and their flocks, and their herds, they left in the land of Goshen.
Gen 50:9  And there went up with him both chariots and horsemen: and it was a very great company.
Gen 50:10  And they came to the threshingfloor of Atad, which is beyond Jordan, and there they mourned with a great and very sore lamentation: and he made a mourning for his father seven days.
Gen 50:11 And when the inhabitants of the land, the Canaanites, saw the mourning in the floor of Atad, they said, This is a grievous mourning to the Egyptians: wherefore the name of it was called Abelmizraim, which is beyond Jordan.


d. Paul himself was mistaken for an Egyptian (a black man) by the certain people during his time.



Act 21:37  And as Paul was to be led into the castle, he said unto the chief captain, May I speak unto thee? Who said, Canst thou speak Greek?
Act 21:38  Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?
Act 21:39  But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.



e. God Himself refered to the Isrealites as a people that are like the Ethiopians,



Amos 9:7 Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel? saith the LORD. Have not I brought up Israel out of the land of Egypt? and the Philistines from Caphtor, and the Syrians from Kir?





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SO PLEASE CAN YOU KINDLY GO THROUGH ALL THAT I HAVE SAID ABOVE AND STILL DECIDE TO HAUL INSULTS AT ME, MERELY FOR FOLLOWING WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS.

HENCE  EACH OF US IS LEFT WITH AN UNUSUAL CHOICE, WE EITHER IGNORE WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS AND BELIEVE WHAT EVERYBODY THINKS OR WE IGNORE WHAT EVERYBODY THINKS AND BELIEVE WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS,

Obviously from @chukwudi44 comments it seems that my own crime is for believing for the bible says,

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correction Cesare Borgia was not a spaniard, rather he was a spanish-italian

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