malvisguy212:
you are a muslim, to you this is strange because the carnal man born of the flesh(ishmaelite) the thing of the spirit is foolishness to you,

what Paul is saying here is this>>> if you want to preach the gospel to the gentile you acts like them(to the poor I became poor and to the rich I became rich, to the Jews I became like a Jew) the core message is humble yourself to those who are hearing the gospel.

malvisguy212:
you are a muslim, to you this is strange because the carnal man born of the flesh(ishmaelite) the thing of the spirit is foolishness to you,

what Paul is saying here is this>>> if you want to preach the gospel to the gentile you acts like them(to the poor I became poor and to the rich I became rich, to the Jews I became like a Jew) the core message is humble yourself to those who are hearing the gospel.

9jaforlife:

By becoming a chameleon??
Can't one humble oneself by maintaining one's original form? Was he the only one who preached the gospel?? Abeg leave me

Rilwayne001:


What is more foolish than thinking 1 sect out of 44000sects is the only true one? Where is this holy spirit in the church when there are thousands of church followinh Different doctrines?



[b] Why call yourself what you are not to gain what you want?

According to the verse: "20To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21To those not having the law I
became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings"

Can you point out where jesus ever exhibit all that this fraudster above wrote? Jesus said "Let your Yes be Yes, and your NO be No" can you reconcile this with what paul said above?

Secondly, only fraudsters act the way paul did above. Take a yahoo boy for example, yahoo boy in Nigeria would call himself a white man living in the US so as to defraud an unsuspecting white woman. This exactly what paul did and taught people like you.

So, malviguy212, have you ever emulate paul in this regard by claiming to be a muslim so as to convert a muslim to your delusions? Perhaps you are doing that with anotjer moniker, no? Well, you are not that smart to do it, you are more like a robot even with your real moniker.

Yahoo boys learnt how to defraud people from paul...E.O.D. [/b]

Rilwayne001:


What is more foolish than thinking 1 sect out of 44000sects is the only true one? Where is this holy spirit in the church when there are thousands of church followinh Different doctrines?



[b] Why call yourself what you are not to gain what you want?

According to the verse: "20To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21To those not having the law I
became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings"

Can you point out where jesus ever exhibit all that this fraudster above wrote? Jesus said "Let your Yes be Yes, and your NO be No" can you reconcile this with what paul said above?

malvisguy212:
Paul epistle was a teaching from the gospel, Paul did not bring anything new, he teach what we all know, the only different is that Paul add his own style"refining by word"

malvisguy212:
by this post I will take it that you don't know the meaning of freewill and choice, you always comes up with sects in Christianity but Islam also have many sects, but you don't see me complained about this because I know the meaning and effect of freewill.

Rilwayne001:


And I asked Can you point out where Jesus ever exhibit all that this fraudster above wrote? i.e. " becoming all things to all people so that by all possible means Jesus might save them. Did jesus ever become a pagan to save pagans? did he command his followers to do so? If Paul actually did it, was he emulating jesus? if he isn't, does that make him a christian?

malvisguy212:
your question does not make sense, re-read your post and see if it make sense, why will Jesus exhibit what Paul wrote? Who first came to be?

Why will a preacher compromise his faith for the pagan? Do you think Christianity is like Islam who adopt pagan way of worship?

Paul did not include pagan in his teaching infacte Paul HIMSELF warn us NOT to unequally yoke together with the unbelievers, All the group and gentile Paul mention are people who value the truth of religion more than God and to acts like them does not mean to ADOPTS there way. Now to my question;

And you are still lying, hun?

'I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some."

Fight in his caused, slain and be slained. How can a muslim live in peace with this command?

Rilwayne001:


Forget about sect, afterall you will rant as usual claiming freewill that you know nothing about. Lemme ask you, what is the role of holy spirit in the life of a christian? does holy spirit affects ones free will?

Now, to the main point. Again have you ever emulate paul in this regard by claiming to be a muslim so as to convert a muslim to xtianity?

Rilwayne001:


Instead of you to go back to school, you come here to form robot.

What is the meaning of the word "exhibit"? Check it and answer my question.




Then what does he mean when he said ". I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.

And I asked, where did Jesus ever become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might believe him.


And you are still lying, hun?

'I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some."



Historical context matters and until you understand that this verse is directed at the people of that time, there is nothing I can do about your ignorance, I can as well foray into the OT and pick out hundreds of commandment.

malvisguy212:
you first bring the issue of sect in the first place and now you are asking me to forget about it? Confused!!!

The role of the holy spirit is to convict you as a sinner, and that you need the mercy and grace of God;

Let me correct you for something,the holy spirit do not chose for the believers or unbelievers what to believe or teach them to belongs to a sects, this will mean interference of freewill, the spirit convicted you.

Rilwayne001:


I'm not in anyway confused, I know you would go and copy and paste what you don't understand or read and you've done below. I will reply your words and not those ones you copied



Now, its not possible for thousands of church to be heading to different direction and the holy spirit wouldn't convict them of sin. Take catholic, JW and protestants as example, its not possible for the 3 to be doing the right thing at the same time or else you want to tell me otherwise. Catholic reffered mary as mother of god, the other 2 don't. JW rject trinity, the other 2 don't. Protestants defraud their members by collecting tithes, the other 2 don't. Where is the holy spirit in them al?




In the chapter of john where jesus talked about the coming of this holy spirit, jesus said "he has a lot to say but they cannot bear them, that when the holy spirit he will guide you into all the TRUTH," The is contrary to you lie that his only mission is to convict sinners, we are told that he would guide believers to ALL TRUTH. So, I ask you, which is the TRUTH among all the thousands of church?

malvisguy212:
provide the historical context of the quranic verses or I will or I will.

Your question does not make sense, this is the first time I am hearing someone ask such question about Paul and Jesus. Infacte you must be one of the most deluded and bias muslims in this forum
Let me repeat my self again;

Paul explains that he is always under the law to Christ and he is never free to do things that would be contrary to the new covenant. And in Galatians 5:13 he says;

“For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; ONLY USE NOT LIBERTY FOR AN OCCASION TO THE FLESH, but by love serve one another.”

Paul’s liberty in his evangelism was not a freedom to serve the flesh in any way.
Paul was always strict in regard to sin
and he did not allow anything in his life
that would bring the result of sin by
spiritual carelessness. He would not
become a glutton to reach other overeaters, he would not become a drug
user to reach the addict, he would not
become a drinker of alcohol to reach a
drunk. And in 1 Cor. 9:27 Paul says:

“But I discipline my body and BRING IT INTO SUBJECTION: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified (a castaway)”

Paul simply meant that he would use
their own beliefs and ways to show them the truth. So to a religious Jew he would use the law to speak to them, to a gentile he would use his conscience and culture

malvisguy212:
I will not repeat myself anymore until you answer my question. The holy spirit will not change your mind of the church you chose to follow, the spirit of truth does not override someone freewill, it is only satan spirit that will want to take full control of your flesh. So you believe I copy and paste this? Good Lord!!! Did I say the ONLY MISSION of the spirit is to convict sinners? Did you not read the christians side of the holy spirit? You are too bias and untruthful. I am still waiting for my answer.

Rilwayne001:


Stop feigning ignorance malvisguy, we are told that he would guide believers to ALL TRUTH. So, I ask you, which is the TRUTH among all the thousands of church?

malvisguy212:
John 14:26
26 “But the Helper, the Holy Spirit,
whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

Here, Jesus say the spirit will teach you all thing and bring to your remembrance, how?

1 Corinthians 2:13
13 which things we also speak, not in
words taught by human wisdom, but in
those taught by the Spirit, combining
spiritual thoughts with spiritual WORDS.

Read this wonderful teaching;
1 Corinthians 2:10–11
10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.
11 For who among men knows the
thoughts of a man except the spirit of
the man which is in him? Even so the
thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.

This verse explained everything.

Rilwayne001:


So, which new thing(s) as this holy spirit taught you? If indeed,this holy spirit remind the xtian believers all that jesus said to them, why are they stiill heading to different direction?



You probably don't know what you are doing, if not you won't bring up this verse. So, I asked again, what has this spirit taught xtians? is he teaching them different things which caused them to go different ways to the extent of splittibg to thounsands ofsect?



@underlined, what has this spirit revealed to you?
Is this spirit revealing contradictory things? how come there are thousands of churche if this spirit is revealing same thing to them?

malvisguy212:
lol. So you think all churches possessed the holy spirit? Epic fail!!!

The spirit is not responsible for your final decisions, you have a conscience,dint you? This conscience can discern for you what is right and wrong, just as satan is tempting you to sin the holy spirit is advising you not too.

Dint the quran teach you all this? Or is this teaching not in the quran? Shm Waiting for the answer to Mt question.

Whats your question robot?

Rilwayne001:


He is no doubt a fraudster… i.e. claim to be what you are not to defraud them.

malvisguy212:
[size=4pt] by this post I will take it that you don't know the meaning of freewill and choice, you always comes up with sects in Christianity but Islam also have many sects, but you don't see me complained about this because I know the meaning and effect of freewill. [/size]

9.jaforlife.
You quote from the bible to claimed your TRUTH. Do you believe that part is not corrupt?

Rilwayne001:


So, which church posses it and which ones doesn't? how do one differentiate between those that possess it and those that do not? does you church possess it? do you malvisguy possess it? what new things has it revealved to you? All these questions beg for answer which your brain can't decipher except you copy and paste irrelevant replies.

I can confidently say that you don't understand what you are saying again @underlined. So, the holy spirit is not responsible again for ones decision but ones conscience? how about those who are not christans that still ward off evil? is the alleged holy spirit the one telling them not to?



Whats your question robot?

malvisguy212:
[s] do you want me to tell you which church possessed the holy spirit? Look for a church that acts like this;

Galatians 5:22-23New International
Version (NIV)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy,
peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness,
faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-
control. Against such things there is no
law.

You are calling me robot, but my question is there in this thread and you a normal human being did not see it? Ok, let your robot repeat it again:

Fight in his caused,slain and be slained. How can a muslim live in peace with this command?

9jaforlife.
Who corrupted the bible? Why will Allah allow men to corrupted his word after he vow nothing can change his word? [/s]

Rilwayne001:


And I asked Can you point out where Jesus ever exhibit all that this fraudster above wrote? i.e. " becoming all things to all people so that by all possible means Jesus might save them. Did jesus ever become a pagan to save pagans? did he command his followers to do so? If Paul actually did it, was he emulating jesus? if he isn't, does that make him a christian?

Papist:

This one quote my eye. If I may explain, St Paul was an evangelist. Indeed the greatest propagator of the gospel in the apostolic age. He preached to different nationalities, to the Romans, Galatians, Corinthians, Antiochians etc. So what does he mean by becoming all things to all people? He means that if for example you are preaching to the Romans, do so in the language and style they understand with respect to their norms. And this certainly does not mean watering down the gospel. Blessings.

malvisguy212:
You need Holy Spirit to be able to understand and interpret the scripture

mistypiper:


I think I'm high on weed or some substance, you care to come down to my level sir.