any estimates?

I'm not referring to carnivals btw, but tourism of natural or man made sites.

tpiadotcom:
any estimates?

I'm not referring to carnivals btw, but tourism of natural or man made sites.

It all depends. Do you mean via packaged tours or income from entry fees?

Just like any other biz there are several streams of income

^ sorry, I meant overall money, not individual income.

Nigerias problem with tourism is that nigeria is overpriced and the entry visa to nigeria is also too much trouble and money.. Most people dont even have the confidence to send in their passports to a government office like Nigeria's just to get a visa.. Much reputation of nigerian corruption and fraud is spread around.. People fear things like their passports being cloned by rouges in the consulate and sold on the black market in lagos before they even board a flight to leave their home country.. It may not be true, but Nigerias reputation conjures things like that among the tourist type considering new places to go..

Then when they get to nigeria and see that prices are same or even more expensive than the same things they get in the US or Europe and then the overall quality and atmosphere is much less of a quality...

Nigeria is overpirced and that reduces the amount of tourist by extreme measure.. Equitable fare is what majority of tourist seek when travelling.. If they pay the same or more to visit your country, they want to receive the same or better quality of living.. Keep in mind that the bulk of tourist in most tourist boom countries, are budget travellers who would struggle to spend over $30 a day.. Nigeria is a minimum of $50 a day and a lot more stress about it with added pressure to get tourist to pay even more.. Nigerians need to get a clue about the outrageous prices they pitch to foriegners and just how extremely insane it is to ask such prices for an over all city environment that would not even be accepted for farm animals in their home country...

The vast majority of foreigners in Nigeria are there paying excess only because they are making big money in Nigeria.. And then Nigerians charge big money to rent them houses and other caterings.. Nigerians are chargeing them money they made in Nigeria.. Now that people have set prices to that standard, it will be very hard to attract tourist who make money at home, to pay more for dishevlled sheraton in lagos, than they would in exquisite environments all over the developed world.. No generator sounds or fumes..Plenty electric supply and flowing clean water.
Tourist are not there to work, they bring their money in to spend for a good experience and then go back home to earn more...
Nigeria is a far struggle to get decent revenues from foriegn tourism.. Maybe tourism among africans in africa happens, but i meet many africans in USA and they all seem to say to americans, " dont go to nigeria and we in other african countries dont go there either".

I have gone as a tourist to many countries now, 15 not including my two home countries of USA and Nigeria.. Going to Nigeria on my USA visa is by far the most expensive and tedious travel experience i have had and it is further compounded by the outrageous prices being demanded amid such squalor and instability there.... I live better for less in USA... So i am only drawn there by family and friends connection from when i lived there as a child.. Whenever i go next, if i dont handle the squalor and disease risk there well, i will consider it a huge waste of money and not worth it.. I could have travelled to countries like Nicaragua, Thailand, Peru and others for less money, less consulate hustle/fees or even none at all, and then reach those places to enjoy a better environment for cheaper and less stress from wild and whacky ways of people hustling and robbing their ways around the streets...

Few tourist in nigerias future until things change.. Same reasons why Nigerias currency will always have instability.. People gouge the markets without even seeing how it compares to the rest of the world..And then when it goes too far, people take their money abroad for better value and then the Naira loses value.. Oil is propping up nigerias currency values right now, but many bad Nigerian habits are working very hard to bring it down despite oil's efforts..

Infrastructure outside the west is not, and should not be expected to be, the same as infrastructure in the west. West in this case includes any first world country or economy.

You have to work with what's available in the country of destination and while some of your points are valid, I wouldn't say so for all of them.

tpiadotcom:
Infrastructure outside the west is not, and should not be expected to be, the same as infrastructure in the west. West in this case includes any first world country or economy.

You have to work with what's available in the country of destination and while some of your points are valid, I wouldn't say so for all of them.

The infrastructure difference is exactly what highlights the price gouging in Nigeria.. Nigeria has some of the rock bottom infrastructure in the world, even when compared against countries far poorer than Nigeria.. Of course they have better tourism in those countries because despite better infrastructure than Nigeria, they keep a much lower price than Nigeria for lodging and other things for tourist..
Nicaragua in central america has been labelled among the poorest countries in the world, yet they have much better electric supply nation wide as well as modern malls and luxury hotels in just one or two major cities with low population..Less than 7million people in the entire nation.. Lots Of room... Nigeria is always quoting 10k naira a night hotel for a basic decent hotel, and maybe as low as 7k naira if you try... 7k is still around $35 and i can find that in many parts of USA if i try... Easy to find 10k naira hotel in many parts of USA..
Nicaragua ranges between $9 and $20 for basic decent hotel.. $9 will be simple and in smaller towns.. $20 will be simple but in the bigger cities.. It was about $12 -$20 for basic decent hotel on the beach in Peru with satelite TV, full size clean beds and even a mini fridge and hot water with electricity 24/7. Water was daily but maybe lackng for a few hours during some days..

Nigeria is overpriced despite its infrastructure lackings... Price gouging without a sense of international equity, thats the main obstacle to bring international tourism to Naija.. Even exquisite Thailand, I paid $7 a night for a very nice basic hotel only lacking AC but the fan was good quality, and the food is cheap and among world class, always electric and water... That was not a small city either, chiang mai in thailand.
Thailand and Peru drink international tourist dollars, euros, pounds, rials ,like water.. Thailand is so flooded with tourist and their money that they struggle to restrict their stay. Peru just started restricting the length of stay there also.. I met a french citizen hawking in the market as a bare survival because he was willing to do anything to stay in thailand. France would do so much for him to have a good quality standard of living, but thailand has something that draws tourist there like no other place.. The food, the cheap price and their native culture..

They have many americans,europeans, Australians, and so on coming there to retire with their pensions..
Even philippines manages to draw quite a crowd of retired foriegners to live and many tourist as well.. It is very cheap in philippines as well with plenty electric supply and also water... I was in all of those countries for extended periods of time..

Nigeria is over priced for its low level of general quality and infrastructure.. By the time you get close to the sparse US style quality areas in nigeria, it cost more than the same would cost in the USA, and those areas are never far from squalor and its effluents.. Especially in Lagos...

These cheap tourist countries measure their tourist revenues in the billions of dollars, and that may not include all the illegal purchases made by tourist there.. Let me say, i met tourist from all over the world, that enjoyed to live in the bush in a hut or in a basic hotel with no AC and even endure some poor infrastructure, but they simoke would not enjoy or afford to do the same in Nigeria for prices similar to what they pay in america, europe, australia and so on, except they have a much higher quality at home...

Trying to sell a high priced image will yeild less sales.. Selling low priced to many millions of customers is what does it... The communications industry globally hit a boom in their worth and profits, when they changed cell phone from a contracted pricey luxury for a few, into a cheap available device that poor people could get and load with just a few minutes for less than a $ or load with hours for more than a $..
There are countries raking in billions a year from mostly low budget tourist.. That also invites more international investors who cater to the tourist who then demand the host country develop into better infrastructure and quality... Thailand went from a 3rd world country to at least a 2nd world country just by tourism alone and then other business followed..

Tourism in Nigeria is very interesting
I package tours within Nigeria only.

In my honest opinion. We should focus on local tourism. Encourage Nigerians to visit our tourist sites. The white guys will not come here for now.


The major issues on ground
1. A lot of Nigerians do not even know our tourist sites.
This is because we do not package and promote our sites.

2. A lot of tourist sites are owned and managed by government. Those guys have challenges.

3. Infrastructure and hotels. Another challenge. The hotel guys need to step up in every aspect. But then its all tied to infrastructure.

I'd visit Nigeria in my lifetime

AAinEqGuinea:
I'd visit Nigeria in my lifetime

I hope i will visit soon myself...

19naia:


I hope i will visit soon myself...

Where would you like to visit?? I'm thinking somewhere southeast

southwest, unless he changes his mind for various reasons.

Akwa ibom state in the South-south is a good place for tourist.

AAinEqGuinea:


Where would you like to visit?? I'm thinking somewhere southeast

I have to start off in lagos because thats the arrival airport and also many friends and some family there.. Then to Ibadan where its cheaper and easier and also family there.. Maybe check out Ondo state and benin city as i move along.. I have friends in Asaba and Owerri i could visit... While there, i would love to take a trip to Calabar for some time....I'm Not so big on seeing Abuja, but eventually i will run out of new places to visit and end up visiting Abuja...

The truth is most Nigerians want to take me to the Places that look modern developed and upscale in style, but if that was what i was looking for, I wouldnt spend the well over $1000 to get to nigeria.. I could spend a few hundred dollars and tour in USA in constant modern development and fresh clean environments...
I would come to Nigeria to see what only it has, not matter how rural or underdeveloped, so long as its not sambisa forest or black water slums..
I can enjoy mud hut villages with my mosquito nets, i travelled in Amazon jungle area 2013 and stayed 8 days in a village..

19naia:


I have to start off in lagos because thats the arrival airport and also many friends and some family there.. Then to Ibadan where its cheaper and easier and also family there.. Maybe check out Ondo state and benin city as i move along.. I have friends in Asaba and Owerri i could visit... While there, i would love to take a trip to Calabar for some time....I'm Not so big on seeing Abuja, but eventually i will run out of new places to visit and end up visiting Abuja...

The truth is most Nigerians want to take me to the Places that look modern developed and upscale in style, but if that was what i was looking for, I wouldnt spend the well over $1000 to get to nigeria.. I could spend a few hundred dollars and tour in USA in constant modern development and fresh clean environments...
I would come to Nigeria to see what only it has, not matter how rural or underdeveloped, so long as its not sambisa forest or black water slums..
I can enjoy mud hut villages with my mosquito nets, i travelled in Amazon jungle area 2013 and stayed 8 days in a village..

If my friend decides to go back to Cameroun then we'd go back to this small polytech town in the southwestern portion of the country, about 300 miles from Calabar. From Yaoundé airport it was a 5hr scenic drive, it was one of the most memorable times I ever had to reflect. I would've liked to causally cross over into Nigeria somehow but our purpose there took all our time and energy (I even missed out on seeing Malabo as well). I have no compelling reason to visit the southeast region other than its articulation with the Cameroonian border, so I'm open to seeing Lagos.


I laughed reading that you're adamant about avoiding the slums and the Sambisa forest. Think they'll try to eat us??

I'd like to see Brazil but I need one more trip to the mother rock first.

AAinEqGuinea:


If my friend decides to go back to Cameroun then we'd go back to this small polytech town in the southwestern portion of the country, about 300 miles from Calabar. From Yaoundé airport it was a 5hr scenic drive, it was one of the most memorable times I ever had to reflect. I would've liked to causally cross over into Nigeria somehow but our purpose there took all our time and energy (I even missed out on seeing Malabo as well). I have no compelling reason to visit the southeast region other than its articulation with the Cameroonian border, so I'm open to seeing Lagos.


I laughed reading that you're adamant about avoiding the slums and the Sambisa forest. Think they'll try to eat us??

I'd like to see Brazil but I need one more trip to the mother rock first.

I slated Brazil for this year's winter when the year first started.. But then i changed my mind because brazil is easy to go from here and i go somewhere every year now.. I have many years ahead to see brazil and many other places, but africa has been on hold for 25 years now, so i ended up getting my ticket already to lagos for this winter.. If i survive this trip and enjoy, i will end up visiting Ghana and others in west africa.. Maybe even cameroun... I dont really have many compelling places i desire to go these days... Mauritius is on my to do list and Brazil and then west africa... I get to stop over in Germany this year but only enough time for a few hours ride around frankfort.. I can always shcedule a flight to africa with extended stop overs in europe ,like turkey, germany, amsterdam and more.. Two destinations in one..

when i travel, i stay for months and try to stay for half the year at least.. Sometimes i stay up to 8 months away from home.. Every year now since beginning of 2010.. I dont always end up liking everywhere i try, and some times i suffer well no matter how nice a place i have to stay.. The food and atmosphere and weather dont always do me right where ever i go..
Thats probably why my must go travel list is short these days despite the ability and habit of going to a new place every year or even repeat an old destination ...

I just got back from my winter stay travels but this year i kept it to the US.. I went to Arizona by the Mexico border (Mexican food agree wit me well well if i find a hygenic source.. Good and cheap) for 5 months, but not before staying 3 months in miami area.. I just go, settle in among the locals, and no hotels.. I rent a room in a house for short term monthly rent, or rent an apartment to myself if thats available for short term of 6 months or less...
Most of the other cheap countries i go, its easy to rent short term monthly stays in some hotels or even houses or apartments and for very good prices compared to the US and on the beach also...

I will do everything i can to avoid hotel stays in Nigeria as well as avoid paying a years rent for just a few months stay in a flat.. My strategy is to wander the country in no paticular order to many scattered friends and family places, stay with them, contribute my lodging funds to them and do my usual blending in among the locals as if i live there... If they even try to price gouge me, i will go to a far out village of my liking and set up solar electric and mosquito nets and use hand pulled well water and contribute my tourist dollars to those humble courageous people with a real experience to offer me...

19naia:


I slated Brazil for this year's winter when the year first started.. But then i changed my mind because brazil is easy to go from here and i go somewhere every year now.. I have many years ahead to see brazil and many other places, but africa has been on hold for 25 years now, so i ended up getting my ticket already to lagos for this winter.. If i survive this trip and enjoy, i will end up visiting Ghana and others in west africa.. Maybe even cameroun... I dont really have many compelling places i desire to go these days... Mauritius is on my to do list and Brazil and then west africa... I get to stop over in Germany this year but only enough time for a few hours ride around frankfort.. I can always shcedule a flight to africa with extended stop overs in europe ,like turkey, germany, amsterdam and more.. Two destinations in one..

when i travel, i stay for months and try to stay for half the year at least.. Sometimes i stay up to 8 months away from home.. Every year now since beginning of 2010.. I dont always end up liking everywhere i try, and some times i suffer well no matter how nice a place i have to stay.. The food and atmosphere and weather dont always do me right where ever i go..
Thats probably why my must go travel list is short these days despite the ability and habit of going to a new place every year or even repeat an old destination ...

I just got back from my winter stay travels but this year i kept it to the US.. I went to Arizona by the Mexico border (Mexican food agree wit me well well if i find a hygenic source.. Good and cheap) for 5 months, but not before staying 3 months in miami area.. I just go, settle in among the locals, and no hotels.. I rent a room in a house for short term monthly rent, or rent an apartment to myself if thats available for short term of 6 months or less...
Most of the other cheap countries i go, its easy to rent short term monthly stays in some hotels or even houses or apartments and for very good prices compared to the US and on the beach also...

I will do everything i can to avoid hotel stays in Nigeria as well as avoid paying a years rent for just a few months stay in a flat.. My strategy is to wander the country in no paticular order to many scattered friends and family places, stay with them, contribute my lodging funds to them and do my usual blending in among the locals as if i live there... If they even try to price gouge me, i will go to a far out village of my liking and set up solar electric and mosquito nets and use hand pulled well water and contribute my tourist dollars to those humble courageous people with a real experience to offer me...

I envy you. Sounds like you're a natural adventurist. I cant travel months at a time right now, two weeks at most for me as I still labor at a job.

People have warned that the best scamming begins immediately at the airport, which means between the airport and my hotel awaits scheming bullshít to wade through. That alone makes me not want to land in Lagos, praying they have this airport built in Abia state by the time I make this trip. One of my Nigerian friends was candid with me about the layers of sophistication when it comes to scamming cartels in Lagos. Then this week, Radio Biafra read a leaked US report on Nigeria's irredeemable corruption pouring out of every orifice in their society. Obamas way of saying there's no hope. That alone is enough to ruin the idea of traveling to Lagos or Nigeria entirely. I'll pray to the heavens on this one.


What do you think is a good budget for Nigeria? I figured no more than $2500 (includes round trip tickets, cheaper if a friend gets a deal) with a grand for hotel and spending. Having to dodge price gouging *sighs* lol dodging would be my only option. Fvck that, I'm not going Lagos. Maybe Ill go to Igboland since I grew up around stick up kids my whole life anyways. Maybe I get lucky too and meet up with a villager who I can lodge with and maybe he can perform a Get Money ritual on me so I can make it rain in 2016 and beyond. Put magic charms in my pockets so I can later put my phhfoot up the white mans áss for messing up Africa. I wish...

Yea, I will have to plan more in detail for Nigeria. Maybe I'll have to see Biafra first, land of the milk and honey.

do my usual blending in among the locals as if i live there

in nigeria?

hard to do imo.

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AAinEqGuinea:


I envy you. Sounds like you're a natural adventurist. I cant travel months at a time right now, two weeks at most for me as I still labor at a job.

People have warned that the best scamming begins immediately at the airport, which means between the airport and my hotel awaits scheming bullshít to wade through. That alone makes me not want to land in Lagos, praying they have this airport built in Abia state by the time I make this trip. One of my Nigerian friends was candid with me about the layers of sophistication when it comes to scamming cartels in Lagos. Then this week, Radio Biafra read a leaked US report on Nigeria's irredeemable corruption pouring out of every orifice in their society. Obamas way of saying there's no hope. That alone is enough to ruin the idea of traveling to Lagos or Nigeria entirely. I'll pray to the heavens on this one.


What do you think is a good budget for Nigeria? I figured no more than $2500 (includes round trip tickets, cheaper if a friend gets a deal) with a grand for hotel and spending. Having to dodge price gouging *sighs* lol dodging would be my only option. Fvck that, I'm not going Lagos. Maybe Ill go to Igboland since I grew up around stick up kids my whole life anyways. Maybe I get lucky too and meet up with a villager who I can lodge with and maybe he can perform a Get Money ritual on me so I can make it rain in 2016 and beyond. Put magic charms in my pockets so I can later put my phhfoot up the white mans áss for messing up Africa. I wish...

Yea, I will have to plan more in detail for Nigeria. Maybe I'll have to see Biafra first, land of the milk and honey.

I used to live in nigeria long ago.. Long enough to make many friends and i have family as well... So, once i exit immigration and customs, i will have familiar people waiting for me to pick me up and keep me out of random people's hand bidding for me to go with them.. In Peru, i had no connections and the taxis, if they dont rob you, they will certainly steer you to the most expensive hotel because they will get a cut from the price you pay there. Next morning, i saw many cheaper hotels all around and the taxi had taken me to the most expensive in that area so he could get a cut of the price after decieving me.. In philippines also ,one taxi driver told all others in the area to charge me 4 times the usual fare, so that i would not leave that area unless i paid it... They took me .5km and dropped me asking for $35.. Normal fare was $7.. I did not speak their language and was at a disadvantage.. No friends or family and not understanding their language...

Nigeria is rougher but i have many old friends and family eager to see me again and host me for some time and show me around.. No hotels needed and no expensive tourist gimmicks.. I will eat what they eat and where they eat, go to market where they go to market... Have them show me the best local canteens or buka to eat out affordably..
If anything, i am going prepared with solar equipment at hand for a bit of electricity, and if it comes to worst case, i will have to buy fans,AC and generator if i settle somewhere without electricity and excess heat.. I rather do that than waste money on a hotel... Who knows, maybe people will come to me and pay to charge their phones and such ,as well as do business with me to install solar for them at their houses...
I will hang among the locals as i did back in the day and learned to speak like them and live like them.. I will need to brush up on my language skills, but that will come quickly once i start interacting there.. I went to local primary school and even federal government college in Nigeria and I was just another pupil, just another Nigerian there who enjoyed and suffered plenty just like the rest of them...

NIGERIA IS ROUGHER, but i have some experience there, connections there able to help and familiar with the language... Some of my family there sometimes comes to US to visit and stay with the Family here.. At least two of the most recent family guest we hosted here in the US, they are magistrates or judges in Nigeria.. And my friends vary from lawyers,professors,entertainers, senior immigration officers and the list goes on of well qualified people who are there to help me and happy to have me visit there...
I beg, after my youngest sister went in late 2013 and said she enjoyed it and stayed with locals who are family, I cannot cower in being an older bigger man and worry about things warding me off.. My father was very paranoid though and at one point hired an armed police from the police superintendent to guard my sister during here few days stay in our home town during a big celebration...
My sister didnt have the armed guard in Lagos and i dont think i will have such shamful treatment for myself any where there, what do i have that is so important? And the home towm issues never got worse than petty pilfering of things brought or sent from USA.. I will stay away from particular places and people..

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