Why don't you try reading the scriptures yourself, and stop being a judge, it shows you don't understand what these two are writing about-really you are making a dick of yourself.

Maybe you should ask the Lord, and if you are like Uben who claims he is a born again Christian, then I'm sure you wouldn't find it difficult, to pray and ask our Lord to help you with some understanding in finding scriptures to back up your own disbelief, and if you are feeling up to it, maybe allow the Lord to show you the difference between your argument.
We born again Christians learn of each other-but hey if you aren't a born again, we do understand.

italo:


You will have to ask barnabaseloke and Muttleylatt,

They seem to have assumed ownership of the "spirit." They know who has the Spirit and who doesn't. They even know how much of the spirit each person has.

The problem is that that "spirit" tells them contradictory things sometimes.

brocab:
Read the bible.

Ive just stated that sola scriptura doesn't work. isn't that what you do but come up with contradictory doctrines to your protestant oga- Martin Luther? E.g.Lutherans carry out infant baptism.

MuttleyLaff:
I am not attacking your person but talked about your post. If it came across as attacking your person, that wasnt the plan or intention, so please deem it fit to accept my apologies for the misconstrued attack

Exactly, which is why I advised to PLEASE scrutinise the 13 page thread to know what so far has been been written and especially posted by me

I can say or repeat same for myself too

You will see the barrier and how you're causing it soon. Watch out for it in my final post

May I bring to your attention that the topic of this thread is "Are We Saved By Faith Or By Water Baptism?"
The holes and inconsistencies seen from a mile off, are you building up a case around showing "water baptism" as a requirement for salvation

Crucify?
So me saying "There is no such thing as Matt 28:28" and afterwards typing "Correcting you, where is water in Matt 28:19?" is now crucification
and you hard done by it?
I am not saying a word further on the matter, as you might misconstrue it

Friend, if Matt 28:28 is not in the Bible, then that's phantom right there for you, it's the brain playing a figment of the imagination tricks on you. Happens to everyone now or then, dont lose sleep over it, am not.

Oh yes you are. There is baptism and there is water baptism, so which one are you referring to

SMH, If and when I say you're concocting, you flip.
Dont you see John 3:3 is out of place with the other quoted verses, its like a swollen like a red sore thumb among them, it doesnt gel with the others
As for John 3:3, why dont you stimulate your palate with "born again" by visiting a post quoting brocab with Ubenedictus cc'ed on it, I think its seven to ten posts above
https://www.nairaland.com/2383797/saved-faith-water-baptism/13#35213348

Wheyhey!, are you f_ _ kidding me with this s_ _
Bravo, encore, by the way, I already love you but I think I am now beginning to be in love with you. No homo, that needs to be said too.
Only you have had the balls and stretched your neck to agree and admit all this
I've hinted all this before, gave examples on differences in baptisms to no avail, did illustrations on different ways of using the baptism word, all for nada etc
What you've just submitted is actually part of and is in my final post on this matter

Here is where you and I might be at opposing ends, you seem to leave out baptism of fire and the spirit which John the Baptist said Jesus will baptise all with

Yeepa! You just right there killed it. Aw, wish I could see you, rub your chubby face together and plant a kiss on it.
You be correct guy to "see" this. You sure are "born from above" to "see" all these
Would have loved it if you had managed to shed light on Moses baptism
and particularly talk on what Moses baptism for the Israelites leaving Egypt, John baptism for the Jew and Jesus baptism for believers implies.
It's all good anyway, I hold no one no grudges, we inform only the most important information after careful scrutiny or examination

Never mind bro, just watch out for my final post. Concoct, concocted or concocting was just a tongue in cheek, me jokingly saying you added various ingredients (i.e. a verse or two that didnt flow with others) in making up the dish you served.

PS: I waited for you to finish your editing,
a pain those double entry or repeat posts, isnt it and how your post looked like before you properly edited it
Nice one for removing the treble entry or repeat posts

Bro, nice one.I am really optimistic about this topic especially between me and you.I also think we are beginning to narrow it down.This will really help both of us in future discussion.I think where the bone of contention lies is the treatment of the types of baptism mentioned in the Bible.I briefly touched on baptism of John;the one commanded by Christ which convert did;the one of fire and the one concerning the suffering of Jesus Christ.The actual meaning of baptism is to immerse/covered/submerge/overwhelm in 'something'.When the bible speak of Moses baptism he was referring to the Israelite who were covered in the cloud and sea (a reference to the protection offered by God against the Egyptian enemy).It is quoted rightly that they were then baptized into unto Moses (Moses being the one God used to rescue and saved the Isrealites):1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2.And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;[/i].Here, the medium was the cloud,water and ever pillar of fire at times.The purpose was for their rescue and protection .
John's baptism was for repentance for the remission of sins and the medium was water:Mark_1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
Christ was baptize/covered/overwhelm with suffering :Matt_20:22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
Mat_20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father..Mar_10:39 And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized:This also referred to as the 'cup of suffering' :Matt_26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Mat_26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.
Baptism of the Holy Ghost was also mentioned which was fulfilled in Act 2 when the Holy Ghost came upon the Apostle,specific purpose to guide them to speak what God wants us to know.

You observed that each of these baptism was specific to a group of people as in the case of the Israelite (Moses baptism),Christ (baptism of suffering),the apostles(Baptism of the Holy host).

But after Christ died resurrected,the gospel came into full effect upon which people ought have their faith and believe.Before he ascended,he instructed the apostle to preach and make disciples of all nation.This instruction was spelt out in matt 28:19;mark 16:15-16;Lk 22.And we read many people accepting Christ whenever preaching was done in the New Testament.That was why I linked water with the baptism instructed by Christ as evidenced by the eunuch who went into water.Even before now,Christ told Nicodemus of being being born of water and spirit,pointing to water baptism.
When we are baptized in water,we are said to buried in with Christ :Rom_6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. .Col_2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead..

Water baptism through faith,is liken to salvation of Noah and his household:1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Paul later wrote toward the end of his life and made mention of 'one' baptism that part of the gospel,the plan of God to save man: Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

I advocate hearing the gospel,believing and being moved by faith to accept baptism for the forgiveness of past sins and then work in newness of life.The blood of christ saves but we must accept it and act(work) that we may come in contact with the saving blood that brought grace.

I love this power passage:John_19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water



Cheers bro.Love

Who cares what Martin Luther done-I don't follow after him, I follow after Christ.

btoks:
Ive just stated that sola scriptura doesn't work. isn't that what you do but come up with contradictory doctrines to your protestant oga- Martin Luther? E.g.Lutherans carry out infant baptism.

Check this out, this shows the Church is denying the Word of God, so people will come together under the New World Religion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfQ33qOy-JI

MuttleyLaff:


cc OLAADEGBU, Scholar8200, Ubenedictus, Kei144, Esere826, Goshen360, italo, Barnabaseloka

How long is a water baptism piece of string?
Where or when is the water baptism line drawn?

While it is required for us to preach that all men are ordered to repent and be baptised as stated in Acts 2:38, adding any other requirement to salvation such as water baptism becomes 'works' in pretence. It demeans the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross and implies that His finished work is not sufficient. Water baptism is simply a step of obedience to the Lord following our repentance and confession of sin. Our obedience, that is, water baptism, prayer, good works, fellowship, evangelising and so on are issues from our faith in Christ. Salvation is not what we do, but Who we have.

"He that has the Son has life" (1 John 5:12).

OLAADEGBU:


While it is required for us to preach that all men are ordered to repent and be baptised as stated in Acts 2:38, adding any other requirement to salvation such as water baptism becomes 'works' in pretence. It demeans the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross and implies that His finished work is not sufficient. Water baptism is simply a step of obedience to the Lord following our repentance and confession of sin. Our obedience, that is, water baptism, prayer, good works, fellowship, evangelising and so on are issues from our faith in Christ. Salvation is not what we do, but Who we have.

"He that has the Son has life" (1 John 5:12).

hahahahahaha!


You are required to preach baptism but you wouldn't preach it because you are scared o water right?
Weldone.

Its good to see you have come back-and you are given it another go, the lord loves a cheerful giver.

Ubenedictus:


hahahahahaha!


You are required to preach baptism but you wouldn't preach it because you are scared o water right?
Weldone.

OLAADEGBU:
Are we saved by faith or by water baptism?

Salvation from the condemnation of sin aka Death is obtained via the process of being born-again — born of water AND born of Spirit — an act which is of Faith — life in submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ.

When Jesus Christ said, "You must be born of water and born of Spirit ...", that was a direct commandment contained in the New Covenant. Faith relates to submission and obedience to that direct commandment given by Jesus Christ who is the Law in the Kingdom of God.