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| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by 4stateman: 8:07am On Mar 06, 2009 |
Have you read the story of Ali and the Angel in our elementary book? Ali a clever crook, told his community peoples that he received a revelation from an angel that promised to visit him, that only the righteous one could see him (angel), Ali built a hurt, on a fixed day claimed that the angel has arrived, and his inside the hurt, Ali invited his community peoples to bring gift items to his hurt, the bigger their gift the more likely their righteousness can be prove, hence they can see the angel. Many brought so many gifts to Ali, to prove their righteousness, yet none in the community was righteous enough to see the angel. Just like today’s claims that those that are not abundantly blessed are unfaithful in paying their tithe. There are so many Ali's in our modern day pastors. The earlier many people uncovered their trick(s), better for them. Tithe was introduced when the nation of Israel entered into promised land, the promised land was divided into 12 portions and shared among the 12 tribes of Israel, but the tribe of Levi, who where temple workers was not given any portion but rather their portion (12th) was share among the 11th tribe brothers, so as not to distract the Levi from concentration on temple work, hence God gave the command that their land that was shared among his brothers should be farm, and 10% of the proceed should be given as tithing. Why is it that among all the Mosaic law, our modern Ali's (pastors) only single out tithing, why are they not keep Sabbath, and other aspect of mosaic law that was also clearly command to keep? Poverty, Ignorance and fear are the reasons why our modern day Ali's are continue to hold our people to ransom. Many countries in the world are none religious that is not worshipping God or Idol neither did they pay tithe, yet their living condition are better than many of tithe paying converts Only in Nigeria that our pastor emphasis tithing as the only way to prosperity and good thing, in no distance future many will come out of bondage and falsehood. Neither Jesus nor early disciples taught early Christian to pay tithe, to help finance Christian activities the early disciples set a pattern to follow as recorded at 2corinthians 9:7 ‘Each man should give what he has DECIDED in his heart TO GIVE , not reluctantly or UNDER COMPULSION, for God loves a cheerful giver’. The law of tithe was a circumstantial law, it is no longer require to be observe by Christian, like most of other aspect of mosaic law, present day advocates of tithe are Ali’s of our time. |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by KunleOshob(m): 9:00am On Mar 06, 2009 |
A word is enough for the wise  |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by grillade4u: 9:27am On Mar 06, 2009 |
Welldonnnnnnne!! u have thrown a challenge to God. I am a believer in God and tithing. I tithe. What u r doing is questioning HIS word and not his preachers. Maybe the emphasis placed on the awareness is extreme as against other laws of God, BUT to disbelieve Machai 3:10 is to disbelieve HIS WORD. my life is a testimony to the benefits of obedience to tithing. BESIDES the principle behind GETTING is GIVING. U cant get with a clenched fist. IF ur argument is what the tithe monies are used for, LETS allow the Preachers account for that to GOD. My own is do my part and receive my blessings. CHIKENA!!!! NB: YOU MUST PAY YOUR TITHE OHHHH. CHURCH OR HOSPITAL, BEGGARS OR THIEVES, TITHE BOX OR DEVOURER. BE WISE***** PAY IT TO RECEIVE REWARD.  |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by blacksta(m): 9:48am On Mar 06, 2009 |
@ poster Psl 3v 9 honor the lord with your possessions and with the firstfruits of all your increase psl 3 v10 - so your barns will be filled with plenty and your vats will overflow with new wine. I strongly believe we are to honour God as he is the giver off all good things. As we shall reap whatever we sow. No doubt the church needs money to function but i dont subscribe to teaching if i dont pay my tithes or offering something bad will happen. My tithes or offering is demonstration of the following 1. That God is my ultimate source 2. That i love God 3. I Would like further the gospel of christ - u need money to do this I also believe that 10 percent mark should be used as bench mark of one's giving P.s we also advised to give cheerfully as propsed in one's heart. If you are giving under any kind of stress it is merely a waste of seed. |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by Ovamboland(m): 10:06am On Mar 06, 2009 |
grillade4u: The bold line is the words been used to hoodwink most Christians nowadays and it's usually b'cos, most fail to check u p these verses on their own but believe and regurgitate what they heard on the pulpit. But do you blame them?, no they've been brought to believe every word issued from 'hallowed chambers' of the pulpit. For your benefit read the whole of Malachi (just 4 chapters in all) calmly, and see if you can truely conclude it is directed to Christians who have been redeemed with the blood of Jesus Christ. My understanding (reading the entire book of Prophet Malachi) is that The Levites who are reponsible for collecting tithes all over Israel have been defrauding and robbing God by offering blind and diseased cattle and 'worsted' grain to the priest for temple and keeping the healthy and bumper harvest for themselves. But our clever pastors will only quote the 3:10 to christians knwing majority will get scared and not read the whole message. Meanwhile what is tithe according to the Bible? is it in any way defined what constitutes tithe in Malachi? get your answers in Deuteronomy 14. Open your God given faculties and think, you have that grey matter between your ears not for fun or decoration but for dicsernment. The devil did not create our brain, without which you cannot even read not to talk of understanding. Remember Paul when he said 'oh foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you'? he was refering to the attempt by some preachers to enforce OT temple practices, thereby denying the coming . death and ressurection of Christ |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by amaikama(m): 10:09am On Mar 06, 2009 |
Read all the post. Just want to make my view known. If ever there was nothing wrong in the old testament, they wouldn't be a new one. And we can't relay on the new testament alone without knowing what happend to the old so that we would not repeat what happen in the old testament. People of old, their ways of worship was caraterize with flaws expecially sin's that why Christ came to bring us bac to Christ with a new Testament. Jesus Christ himself during his time in the world he refer to the old testament. That to tell us that for us to graps the word of God in our heart firmly, we need both the old and new testament so that we would not be like the people of old. |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by untainted: 10:10am On Mar 06, 2009 |
use to be a strong advocate of thiting but the Lord has opened my eyes now. Not ignorant no more! |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by amaikama(m): 10:16am On Mar 06, 2009 |
@untainted!! in other words when you are a faithful tither u were ignorant but now the devil has opened ur eyse u are now not ignorant of tithing. hmmm!!! how very unfortunate  |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by KunleOshob(m): 10:24am On Mar 06, 2009 |
amaikama:Chei see mungun dey display hin ignorance.  on top all the evidence some people have decided to remain inbondage for life. Christ died to set you free yet you keep yourself in bondage i also for you@untainted Congrats on your freedom from oppression |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by Ovamboland(m): 10:29am On Mar 06, 2009 |
Kunle et al, It won't be an easy task to let peolpe see the truth about tithing, they have listened and still continue to be fed these stories especially coming from sources they trust and hold in awe. Goebbels, Hitlers propagander minister once said that when lies are repeated many times and often enough, it soon starts to assume the garb of the truth. It was this method they used to lead millions of Germans to destruction and ultimate defeat during second world war. Many christians will find it difficult to believe that can ever happen to them, that what 'God' tells them through His mouthpiece on the pulpit can ever be lies. And they will remember other words that has come true in their lives and therefore conclude that all words from the pulpit must be true. But the Bible lets us understand we should not delude ourselves with such mentality. Paul mentions the Berean christians who go back home to check what they were told on the pulpit from the scriptures for correctness. If they take the pulpit words as God's words they won't need to go back and check. And i believe Paul commended them for this behaviour. |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by tatooboy: 10:40am On Mar 06, 2009 |
This so interesting. I was just educating someone on tithing only yesternight and to my greatest surprise, i come to NL dis morning and see it as a hot topic. Tithing is a law of Moses. This law was nailed to the cross when Christ came to die for our sins. Please take a read of this article. http://www.layhands.com/MustChristiansTitheTenPercent.htm It should help. |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by blacksta(m): 10:52am On Mar 06, 2009 |
@ kunle lets us forget about tithes and offering for A minute but will you agree that our giving SHOULD ALWAYS BE IN PROPORTION TO OUR INCOME? |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by Ovamboland(m): 11:15am On Mar 06, 2009 |
blacksta: Any figure between 0% - 100% is a proportion to one's income |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by stello(f): 11:18am On Mar 06, 2009 |
All the bible said about tithing in the book of Malachi is true. because God will never allow his word to fall to the ground. the benefits of tithing are just too numerous to explain. its just wonderful how it works.and its also about consistency too ! |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by guysmat(m): 11:20am On Mar 06, 2009 |
Please read Deut 14 :22 - 29. The instructions/laws about tithes are all there for your perusal. The holy book says you should eat your best gifts (tithes) in the Lord's presence. Tithing is meant for YOU. |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by Ibime(m): 11:21am On Mar 06, 2009 |
Tithing is the biggest 'money all ya life' type stick-up. There are no Levi's to support anymore, just a bunch of ill-educated crooks with no alternative career, parading as men of God. Using Malachi 4 as a bribe/ and force you to tithe/ We ought to be wise/ to see, these preachers are falling in pride/ The people can't afford a ride/ but check the porsche they drive/ Its twisted. . . but soon the Lord shall arise/ and cause a divide/ and seperate the whores from the brides/ as prophesied/ Forget those buildings with a steeple/ We shouldn't be building Cathedrals/ We should be on the streets building people/ Don't let the thieves deceive you/ Jesus said you'd sooner see a Camel squeeze through/ the eye of a needle/ - Jahaziel Tell me why every pastor wants to get on already 'over-subscribed' God TV which isn't reaching out to anyone but the saved? Cos thats where all your tithe money is going. I went to a church the other day and the pastor said he need to raise £100,000 to get his TV show to air. Why do you need a TV show? So you can make your name, people can buy your books, cassettes etc so you can generate more revenue and bla bla bla. You are just following the same old "BUSINESS MODEL" You are not reaching out to anyone. You're just another charlatan. Forget tithing to these fake pastors. If you must tithe, dispense the money yourselves to whatever cause you see fit. I tithe every month - by sending money home to my folks in Naija so they can enjoy a better life! |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by blacksta(m): 11:31am On Mar 06, 2009 |
Ovamboland: 1Co 16:2 On the first day of the week, let every one of you put by him in store, in measure as he has done well in business, so that it may not be necessary to get money together when I come. The above simply means as the Lord has blessed you . I would not give 10,000 if the lord has blessed me with 1 000 000 that would not be an apporiate proportion. Please be advised - we must decide to serve God and not money , our giving must be to advance the kingdom of God espcially the work of the local church , to help those who are in need , our giving should always be voluntary and generous and our giving should be cheerful. dont give under any kind of pressure. |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by Nobody: 11:33am On Mar 06, 2009 |
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| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by MrCrackles(m): 11:37am On Mar 06, 2009 |
tensor777: No you are wrong, muppet! It should be: A. Pay tithes to the thieving and deceitful pastors who use it to fund a lavish lifestyle B. Not pay tithes to thieving and deceitful pastors, give alms to the needy and praise God for his blessings on me! C. Pay tithes to the devil. My own answer, is B! |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by Ovamboland(m): 12:04pm On Mar 06, 2009 |
blacksta: 'Yes as well as you have done in business' is what it says, that means if you have done badly in business you are not expected to give to the collection (not tithe). It may be difficult to understand or sound too good to be true but thats not the intention. If you make 1,000,000 and all you can give is 10,000 no one is given the right to question you. If that is all that is laid in your heart by all means give it to the collection. If you cannot not give anything, you need no guilt trip and no devourer will attack your health or family on that basis. If you are able and led to give 100.000 to the collection, by all means give it. it doesn't make you superior in God's sight to the next man giving a lesser proportion. You may be equally led to give 500,000 or 900,000 to the collection, by all means give it if you believe the rest will sustain you and enable you continue with the business. this does not either make you superior or spiritual to the one givving 10,000 0r 100,000. neither do you deserve a commendation or special seat or deaconship on that basis. Hope you understand all these, there is no standard portion that must given to the collection, it is all by the leading of the Spirit (Read Romans 12 giving is a gift of the Spirit given to some christians not all). God does not need your money to achieve His purpose neither can he be robbed  by mere men like us. |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by SegzyJoe(m): 12:15pm On Mar 06, 2009 |
@post the best answer to a post like this is SILENCE, argueing the sanctity of tithing with people like this could almost put one in the same pedestal with them. Guys like sir john may not even believe in anything close to God. So there is no need argueing with them. It's a waste of precious time to be involved in this kind of arguement because it leads to nothing. the truth is if you don't believe in tithing why do you want to confuse those who believe or do you want to win a convert? God can not be rationalized, His ways can not appeal to rationality, because His ways are past understanding. |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by SegzyJoe(m): 12:20pm On Mar 06, 2009 |
@ tatoo boy was Abraham under the law of Moses when he paid tithes of all to Meschisedec the King of Salem? please don't distort the word of God. |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by richjohn1(m): 12:36pm On Mar 06, 2009 |
Daddy G.Os and General superitendents will perpetually keep people in bondage! All I'll say is that those who believe in tithing are spiritual illiterates!they should read their bibles again. I prefer to be a berean christian. Tell me where Jesus commanded us to pay tithes, or even Paul the apostle or any where in the new testament where a thing as tithe was said (Jesus only menioned it as a sign of hypocrisy of the pharisees he never said we should do it) how can the WHOLE OF THE NEW TESTAMENT BE SILENCE on tithing THINK AGAIN brainwashed folks! |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by Image123(m): 1:27pm On Mar 06, 2009 |
I pay tithes.I'm not under bondage.God supplies my needs and keeps the devourer far away.Its ignorance to think that paying tithe is bondage.Sure,there's an abuse of giving as there's an abuse of so many things,but paying tithes is for real and for life and ordained by my Lord God Jesus.bite yourself. Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by dipsyn: 1:45pm On Mar 06, 2009 |
@segzy I agree with you 100% Just wondering let's leave the scriptures alone but is it too much too give your God 10% of your earnings?. Moving on to other issues just wondering Its ok for Dbanj and tu face to be rich and drive jeeps but when it comes to the Men of God its a crime? Its ok to show half nude girls on Tv and advertise with them, but when it comes to Pastors on Tv they are looking for fame how do u want the word "go he therefore and make disciples of all nation" to be accomplished and mind you there are Men of God going to villages also to preach and not just cities. Its ok that Dbanj can raise fund thru the launching of his album but when Men of God seek for fund to build new auditoroms for everybody to worship it becomes embezzlemnt can go on and on and on though, arguably they are also false prophet but who are you to judge to say there are fakes, if we check our own lives in a mirror am sure it will be as black as coal as Jesus said to the crowd if you know you have no sin cast the first stone. Am waiting, |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by PurestBoy(m): 1:52pm On Mar 06, 2009 |
@poster, Guy leave us alone. No be by force to pay tithe. How much be your money self wey u wan tithe? Don't drive us into confusion due to your craziness. |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by SirJohn(m): 2:26pm On Mar 06, 2009 |
Image123: I dont pay tithes. I'm not under bondage. God supplies my needs and keeps the devourer far away. its ignorance to think that paying tithe is not bondage |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by Ovamboland(m): 2:48pm On Mar 06, 2009 |
Image123: Kunle i told you it is difficult for people to unlearn what they've been fed with for a long time. Image, can you step back and look at that verse 'these ought ye to have done' is it reffering to you a Christian? I wonder why you're not recommending the 'woe unto you' part of that statement. I will just say you have a problem with comprehension  Image even belives that worn line of tithes and devourers, am sure he'd soon tell us every accident happens to non-tithers only and the hospital ward is only filled with non-tithers. I guess Mrs faith Oyedepo failed to be faithful with tithes :-Xand therefore cost herself and family huge sum on hospital bills - by your own analogy. How absurd cn you guys get? dipsyn: Even 100% is not too much as far it is given without fufilling any requirment, avoiding devourers (by compulsion), cajoling , threat of sickness/accident (fear of punishment) but with love to meet needs and as you are led by the Spirit. You find it hard to get abi? it's not the absolute amount that matters anymore but your heart (is your motivation to help others or in expectation of thousand fold return?) dipsyn: So Dbanj and Tuface now form standards with which we should measure your man of Gods acheivement and success?   So this is the bottomline? Jeeps?dipsyn: Jesus and the disciples never sought to be popular with the world dipsyn: Dbanj will make his from his album and will make mega profits but our preachers are preaching their own gospel, and the owner says it is free and not for profit. He infact warned us about such men who only preach in order to fill their belly, that they will twist the scripture to make the money flow to themselves in torrents. we knew they were coming and now they're here . Of all they can compete with it is Dbanj and Tuface? why not add Fela and Obesere?.dipsyn: Read the verses on judging properly, we are meant to ask qestions and condemn false teachings as christians not condone them or find middle ground with false teachers. If you are one with them, then you will be an hypocrate to also condemn the ones out to fleece the children of God. So brother, who am i to judge? am a christian that gives me right to condem man's doctrines |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by oluite(f): 2:50pm On Mar 06, 2009 |
if u dont pay tithe and dont believe in paying tithe,dats ur prob but to cm and confuse n discourage pple payin tithe is very wrong.ar the tithe payers complainin?wat will ur lose by paying 1/10 EVRY month and u go to heaven and GOD says u didnt ned to bother than to go to heaven without payin tithe and GOD says why didnt u pay ur tithe?dats d questn u shld ask ursef |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by PurestBoy(m): 2:54pm On Mar 06, 2009 |
SirJohn: My friend leave us alone to pay our tithe and face your business. @least we are not complaining |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by oluite(f): 2:58pm On Mar 06, 2009 |
if d pastrs decide to use tithes to live lavish lifestyle,leave them to GOD d faithful judge.just play u own part.and if the old testament is no more relevant then i guess the ten commandment shouldnt be relevant too.pple can steal and all sinc we ar ''FREE''. |
| Re: A Question For Tithe Payers by Ovamboland(m): 3:05pm On Mar 06, 2009 |
PurestBoy:This one don dey get crisis of faith already ,, like are you telling me papa or GO has been lying to us from the pulpit all these years? impossible, he could not even quote single verse to butress his beliefs,, leave me alone jooo baa turenchi!! It usually happens this way when you suddenly realise you'd been conned over a very long time  |
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