menesheh:



Bolded, Next time replace that word with science science


Why would the hand of BAAL OR ALLAH be in a process capable of self replication with pretty much errors. Catholic failed to demonstrate how and why the contradicting propositions of god molding man and man evolving from a slow, from bacteria beginning to upmost complexity of different species of animals.

I didn't mention contraception, abortion; knowing fully well that there are certain things they are against. But my concern was their reasons for accepting some and rejecting others knowing apparently that all of them are against their tenet.

I don't want to derail this thread but to address your assertion re bolded,it's only fundamentalists who teach a literal 6 24hour day creation.there has been no pronouncement from the CC on the exact process of creation.a day in God's term could be any period of time. Day was just a simple way to explain things to the simple minds. Catholics are free to believe what they see from their evidence until a definitive pronouncement is made by the CC.
Also re your concluding concern, the CC only teaches what is true, never what is against it's tenet. The OP refers to one disillusioned priest.

now why would God condemn the perpetrators and not the crime?? does that make any sense to you

Yooguyz:


Stop quoting scriptures out of context, was it homosexual acts the bible condemened? Or the homosexual himself?

not everyone here is human. there are some spirits and demons among us too.

what a stupid statement he made. its like pushing a murderer and saying its not bad to murder

dolphinheart:


Haba! What bible scriptures have I quoted now!? Talk less of quoting out of context.? I'm only asking questions na.

What's the difference between homosexual acts and homosexual .

btoks:
I don't want to derail this thread but to address your assertion

There is nothing like derailing a thread in these context, we are here to share ideas and learn.

it's only fundamentalists who teach a literal 6 24hour day creation.there has been no pronouncement from the CC on the exact process of creation.

Are you kidding me, that means the content of the bible can be twisted anyway.

a day in God's term could be any period of time.
Day was just a simple way to explain things to the simple minds.

Why not convey the seven days creation info the same simple way he explain things to the simple mind as u said. Is god author of confusion?

Also re your concluding concern, the CC only teaches what is true,

How did you evaluate that what CC is teaching is true?

trapQ:
not everyone here is human. there are some spirits and demons among us too.

what a stupid statement he made. its like pushing a murderer and saying its not bad to murder

Wrong analogy, homosexual desire is not a conscious effort like murder or crime. Its acting on the desire that is a sin, it ought to be subdued.

maybe you didn't get me correctly. I never said it was. a desire is what it is- a mere desire. until it is put into action it is only but a mere desire

Yooguyz:


Wrong analogy, homosexual desire is not a conscious effort like murder or crime. Its acting on the desire that is a sin, it ought to be subdued.

menesheh:

Are you kidding me, that means the content of the bible can be twisted anyway.

Why not convey the seven days creation info the same simple way he explain things to the simple mind as u said. Is god author of confusion?

If your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off, so that you don't 'twist the bible anyway.'

menesheh:

How did you evaluate that what CC is teaching is true?

The same way you evaluated Catholic teaching to be true when you accepted the Bible they compiled and canonized.

italo:


If your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off, so that you don't 'twist the bible anyway.'


The same way you evaluated Catholic teaching to be true when you accepted the Bible they compiled and canonized.

Didn't get where you dragging me to. What's your point?

NO TO HOMOSEXUALITY!!!

menesheh:


Didn't get where you dragging me to. What's your point?

If you applied a literal approach to all of the Bible, you wouldn't have a hand to type or eyes to see. You would have cut them off.

dolphinheart:

Still dnt understand you, is that the only thing the scriptures said about them? And how christians should handle such issues?

johnydon22:


You asked for the bible said on how to handle homosexuals, i gave you exactly what you want by quoting leviticus 20:13 even romans 1:32 agree they deserve death. . .so if you want to carry out the biblical instructions on this, it is very clear what you should be doing to them.

Since obviously you don't want to or cannot follow the biblical instructions on this regard, why don't you then just leave them alone to live their lives while you live yours.

Ehm... In case you don't know, the conversation between you two has caught my interest. dolphinheart it's your turn abeg.

Syncan:






Ehm... In case you don't know, the conversation between you two has caught my interest. dolphinheart it's your turn abeg.

Good it has caught ur interest, ill reply both you and him here.

My question was on what the bible say about homosexuals, expecially those who practice homosexuality.
I realised later by his answer that someone who is not a Christian or who has a wrong view about christianity would/might answer the question in a wrong way which will thing is right due to his own understanding of the bible.
I had a vague understanding of his reply but I do understand the direction of the reply, That's why I added "if that's only what the bible says" and "christians" in my next reply to him.
If he does not know the mindset I used in asking the question , at least you can now realise that I'm asking about what the bible says to christians on how to handle homosexuality and how God views such acts.

He replied by posting lev 20:13 which says "kill them " and rom 1:32 which says they deserve death.

Now what is my view on w hat the bible say about homosexuality. This I will state in my next post, kindly hold on for a while ok

dolphinheart:


Good it has caught ur interest, ill reply both you and him here.

My question was on what the bible say about homosexuals, expecially those who practice homosexuality.
I realised later by his answer that someone who is not a Christian or who has a wrong view about christianity would/might answer the question in a wrong way which will thing is right due to his own understanding of the bible.
I had a vague understanding of his reply but I do understand the direction of the reply, That's why I added "if that's only what the bible says" and "christians" in my next reply to him.
If he does not know the mindset I used in asking the question , at least you can now realise that I'm asking about what the bible says to christians on how to handle homosexuality and how God views such acts.

He replied by posting lev 20:13 which says "kill them " and rom 1:32 which says they deserve death.

Now what is my view on w hat the bible say about homosexuality. This I will state in my next post, kindly hold on for a while ok

Thanks.

CC. Johnydon22

@ syncan and johnydon22

The view I follow on homosexuality .

The Bible does not promote
prejudice against people.
However, its view of homosexual acts is clear.
“Do not practice
homosexuality, having sex
with another man as with a
woman. It is a detestable sin. --Leviticus 18:22.

As part of the Mosaic Law, this
prohibition was one of many
moral laws given specifically to
the nation of Israel. Even so, the commandment expresses God’s view of homosexual acts, whether by Jews or non-Jews, when it says: “It is a detestable thing.”

Those Gods view change for christians later on ?
These question is important as christians are not under the mosaic law and are not obligated to carry out its laws.

Consider the following scripture:

"24 So God abandoned them
to do whatever shameful
things their hearts desired. As
a result, they did vile and
degrading things with each
other’s bodies. 25 They traded
the truth about God for a lie.
So they worshiped and served
the things God created instead
of the Creator himself, who is
worthy of eternal praise!
Amen. 26 That is why God
abandoned them to their
shameful desires. Even the
women turned against the
natural way to have sex and
instead indulged in sex with
each other. 27 And the men,
instead of having normal
sexual relations with women,
burned with lust for each
other. Men did shameful things
with other men, and as a result
of this sin, they suffered within
themselves the penalty they
deserved.”— Romans 1:24 - 27.

Here homosexual acts is described as "shameful".

This is what the scriptures said those who practise the act , along with other shameful and malicious sins deserve

" 32 They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them,too."

Are we christians required to carry out this justice on behalf of God?. The answer is no .

while the Bible does not condemn those who struggle with homosexual tendencies, it
in no way condones giving in to those tendencies, whether they are the result of genetics or they stem from some other source.


"21 I have discovered this
principle of life—that when I want to do what is right, I inevitably do what is wrong.
22 I love God’s law with all my
heart. 23 But there is another
power e within me that is at
war with my mind. This power
makes me a slave to the sin
that is still within me. 24 Oh,
what a miserable person I am!
Who will free me from this life
that is dominated by sin and
death? 25 Thank God! The
answer is in Jesus Christ our
Lord. So you see how it is: In
my mind I really want to obey
God’s law, but because of my
sinful nature I am a slave to
sin." -- Romans 7:21-25

"27 I discipline my body like an
athlete, training it to do what it
should. Otherwise, I fear that
after preaching to others I
myself might be disqualified -- 1 Corinthians 9:27


Instead, the Bible offers
practical assistance and
encouragement to help
individuals to win the fight
against homosexual practices.

What Is God’s Will for People
With Homosexual Desires?
The Bible assures us that God’s will is that “all sorts of men should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.” ( 1 Timothy 2:4)

Though the Bible disapproves of homosexual acts, it does not encourage hatred of
homosexuals.
God’s view of homosexuality
cannot be watered down. At
1 Corinthians 6:9, 10, the Bible
clearly states that “men who lie with men” are included in those who “will not inherit God’s kingdom.” But verse 11 adds the comforting thought: “And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean, but you have been sanctified, but you have been declared righteous in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of
our God.”

Clearly, those who sincerely
desired to worship God on his
terms were warmly welcomed
into the early Christian
congregation. The same is true
today for all honesthearted ones who seek God’s approval—not by reinterpreting the Bible—but by bringing their lives into harmony with it.

Other questions that might be asked :
Does the Bible discriminate
against people with
homosexual desires?—
1 Timothy 2:4.

Is it possible to abstain from
homosexual acts?—
1 Corinthians 6:9-11.

Shouldn’t Christians respect all people, regardless of their
sexual orientation?
--1 Peter 2:17)
— Matthew 7:12.

How should members of the congregation who are found to partake in homosexual acts to be treated. ?
Mt 18:15-17
1Co 5:5, 11, 13

What will happen to the congregation if this is not done.
Re 2:5
1Co 5:5, 6.
2Co 2:10, 11

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. @Crusadistic is stalking me. Lol. What says what about me? Check the facts, you'll discover the truth.
What are u doing here anyways? You can't stay in Islam section ba? Its to boring. Poking your nose into matters which doesn't concern u. Go and answer the questions I asked you.

dolphinheart:
@ syncan and johnydon22

The view I follow on homosexuality .

The Bible does not promote
prejudice against people.
However, its view of homosexual acts is clear.
“Do not practice
homosexuality, having sex
with another man as with a
woman. It is a detestable sin. --Leviticus 18:22.

As part of the Mosaic Law, this
prohibition was one of many
moral laws given specifically to
the nation of Israel. Even so, the commandment expresses God’s view of homosexual acts, whether by Jews or non-Jews, when it says: “It is a detestable thing.”

Those Gods view change for christians later on ?
These question is important as christians are not under the mosaic law and are not obligated to carry out its laws.

Consider the following scripture:

"24 So God abandoned them
to do whatever shameful
things their hearts desired. As
a result, they did vile and
degrading things with each
other’s bodies. 25 They traded
the truth about God for a lie.
So they worshiped and served
the things God created instead
of the Creator himself, who is
worthy of eternal praise!
Amen. 26 That is why God
abandoned them to their
shameful desires. Even the
women turned against the
natural way to have sex and
instead indulged in sex with
each other. 27 And the men,
instead of having normal
sexual relations with women,
burned with lust for each
other. Men did shameful things
with other men, and as a result
of this sin, they suffered within
themselves the penalty they
deserved.”— Romans 1:24 - 27.

Here homosexual acts is described as "shameful".

This is what the scriptures said those who practise the act , along with other shameful and malicious sins deserve

" 32 They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them,too."

Are we christians required to carry out this justice on behalf of God?. The answer is no .

while the Bible does not condemn those who struggle with homosexual tendencies, it
in no way condones giving in to those tendencies, whether they are the result of genetics or they stem from some other source.


"21 I have discovered this
principle of life—that when I want to do what is right, I inevitably do what is wrong.
22 I love God’s law with all my
heart. 23 But there is another
power e within me that is at
war with my mind. This power
makes me a slave to the sin
that is still within me. 24 Oh,
what a miserable person I am!
Who will free me from this life
that is dominated by sin and
death? 25 Thank God! The
answer is in Jesus Christ our
Lord. So you see how it is: In
my mind I really want to obey
God’s law, but because of my
sinful nature I am a slave to
sin." -- Romans 7:21-25

"27 I discipline my body like an
athlete, training it to do what it
should. Otherwise, I fear that
after preaching to others I
myself might be disqualified -- 1 Corinthians 9:27


Instead, the Bible offers
practical assistance and
encouragement to help
individuals to win the fight
against homosexual practices.

What Is God’s Will for People
With Homosexual Desires?
The Bible assures us that God’s will is that “all sorts of men should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.” ( 1 Timothy 2:4)

Though the Bible disapproves of homosexual acts, it does not encourage hatred of
homosexuals.
God’s view of homosexuality
cannot be watered down. At
1 Corinthians 6:9, 10, the Bible
clearly states that “men who lie with men” are included in those who “will not inherit God’s kingdom.” But verse 11 adds the comforting thought: “And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean, but you have been sanctified, but you have been declared righteous in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of
our God.”

Clearly, those who sincerely
desired to worship God on his
terms were warmly welcomed
into the early Christian
congregation. The same is true
today for all honesthearted ones who seek God’s approval—not by reinterpreting the Bible—but by bringing their lives into harmony with it.

Other questions that might be asked :
Does the Bible discriminate
against people with
homosexual desires?—
1 Timothy 2:4.

Is it possible to abstain from
homosexual acts?—
1 Corinthians 6:9-11.

Shouldn’t Christians respect all people, regardless of their
sexual orientation?
--1 Peter 2:17)
— Matthew 7:12.

How should members of the congregation who are found to partake in homosexual acts to be treated. ?
Mt 18:15-17
1Co 5:5, 11, 13

What will happen to the congregation if this is not done.
Re 2:5
1Co 5:5, 6.
2Co 2:10, 11

Thanks. It's your turn Johnydon22.

Our Conscience to know rights and wrongs is a gift and the breath of God in men and women. So the weapon to build and/or destroy ourselves jointly and severally is in our hands. God help us all to know true salvation.

Anas09:
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. @Crusadistic is stalking me. Lol. What says what about me? Check the facts, you'll discover the truth.
What are u doing here anyways? You can't stay in Islam section ba? Its to boring. Poking your nose into matters which doesn't concern u. Go and answer the questions I asked you.

stop imagining me stalking u Anus,I won't happen @gay.