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Arguement From A Reformed Converted Moslem With Another Moslem Part 1 by Backslider(m): 11:25pm On Sep 23, 2006
Sun, 15 Apr 2001



Rayan
I have read the reason why you left Islam and other articles and I can easily conlude that your are very ignorant in Islamic Law or Jurisprudence.

About Ahadiths (Sunnah):
Their are alot of false and weak ahadith and according to Shariah Law, the authentic can only be legitimate, such as Sahih Bukhari.

Sina
All the hadiths that I quoted are from Bukhari and Muslim and I gave the references. If you failed to even check that how objective can you be in judging the rest of my articles?



Rayan
“Not all Islamic rulings can be implemented at any given time and place. For example, the law of the cutting of the hands and feet due to theft, can not be implemented on society, until society has reached close to spiritual perfection (which is not the case today), and the reastablishment of the Islamic leadership (The Khilafah or Caliphate, which was destroyed in 1924).”

Sina
Can you prove this by quoting from Quran or is it something that you made up? Who gave you the authority to pass such ruling? The problem with Islam is that in the course of it 1400 years of history any idiot has tried to re-interpret the Sharia and propose ideas that are not found in Quran. That is why Muslims are divided in so many sects. Your opinion is worthless unless you can back it up by Quran, which you can’t.



Rayan
Their are many examples like the one just mentioned. In Shariah, their is an order and way in how to implement specicifc rulings in society. Since the Islamic Nation (Ummah) has lost the leadership (the Khilafah), we are not in the position to implement certain rules, whether foreign (towards non-Muslims, such as the Jizyah Law or Protection Fee) or domestic (towards Muslims, such as the penalty of adultry or theft).

Sina
Whether you can or cannot implement the Islamic laws is irrelevant. The point is that these laws are barbaric in any time. Islamic laws are primitive and backward and wherever they are practiced that place has become a hell on earth. Examples: Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, etc. The more a country is Islamic the higher is its index of human right abuse and barbarity.



Rayan
"The Qur'an:
According to a neutral perspective, it is a very well known fact by non-Muslims and Muslims that the Arabic Qur'an (not the English Transalation of the Meaning of Qur'an), is indeed 'extra-terriestial', that is, it is impossible for it to be of human source. So we can conclude that the Qur'an was Divinely reaveled to humanity.

Sina
You can fool yourself as much as you wish. I read Quran in Arabic and found it tremendously poor and bereft of any beauty. It is an extremely disorganized book and has plenty of grammatical, historical, scientific and logical errors. The English translators have tried hard to hide the brutal and savage language of the Quran. For example when Muhammad says beat your wives if they are disobedient, some translators like Yusufali have added the adjective “lightly”. This lightly does not exist in the original Arabic. There are many cases like this. If you knew Arabic and could read that book in the original language you would not have defended it so blindly. Who said that piece of garage is “extra terrestrial?” This is the stupidest lie that Muslims keep telling themselves for over a thousand years. I checked it out for myself and found that it is a lie.

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Re: Arguement From A Reformed Converted Moslem With Another Moslem Part 1 by Backslider(m): 5:09am On Sep 24, 2006
This just show you that Islam is baba nla Fraud!!!!!

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Re: Arguement From A Reformed Converted Moslem With Another Moslem Part 1 by Backslider(m): 6:24pm On Sep 24, 2006
They there are not violent

Look at this

Re: Arguement From A Reformed Converted Moslem With Another Moslem Part 1 by cornelboy(f): 7:34pm On Apr 08, 2022
Backslider:
Sun, 15 Apr 2001



Rayan
I have read the reason why you left Islam and other articles and I can easily conlude that your are very ignorant in Islamic Law or Jurisprudence.

About Ahadiths (Sunnah):
Their are alot of false and weak ahadith and according to Shariah Law, the authentic can only be legitimate, such as Sahih Bukhari.

Sina
All the hadiths that I quoted are from Bukhari and Muslim and I gave the references. If you failed to even check that how objective can you be in judging the rest of my articles?



Rayan
“Not all Islamic rulings can be implemented at any given time and place. For example, the law of the cutting of the hands and feet due to theft, can not be implemented on society, until society has reached close to spiritual perfection (which is not the case today), and the reastablishment of the Islamic leadership (The Khilafah or Caliphate, which was destroyed in 1924).”

Sina
Can you prove this by quoting from Quran or is it something that you made up? Who gave you the authority to pass such ruling? The problem with Islam is that in the course of it 1400 years of history any idiot has tried to re-interpret the Sharia and propose ideas that are not found in Quran. That is why Muslims are divided in so many sects. Your opinion is worthless unless you can back it up by Quran, which you can’t.



Rayan
Their are many examples like the one just mentioned. In Shariah, their is an order and way in how to implement specicifc rulings in society. Since the Islamic Nation (Ummah) has lost the leadership (the Khilafah), we are not in the position to implement certain rules, whether foreign (towards non-Muslims, such as the Jizyah Law or Protection Fee) or domestic (towards Muslims, such as the penalty of adultry or theft).

Sina
Whether you can or cannot implement the Islamic laws is irrelevant. The point is that these laws are barbaric in any time. Islamic laws are primitive and backward and wherever they are practiced that place has become a hell on earth. Examples: Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, etc. The more a country is Islamic the higher is its index of human right abuse and barbarity.



Rayan
"The Qur'an:
According to a neutral perspective, it is a very well known fact by non-Muslims and Muslims that the Arabic Qur'an (not the English Transalation of the Meaning of Qur'an), is indeed 'extra-terriestial', that is, it is impossible for it to be of human source. So we can conclude that the Qur'an was Divinely reaveled to humanity.

Sina
You can fool yourself as much as you wish. I read Quran in Arabic and found it tremendously poor and bereft of any beauty. It is an extremely disorganized book and has plenty of grammatical, historical, scientific and logical errors. The English translators have tried hard to hide the brutal and savage language of the Quran. For example when Muhammad says beat your wives if they are disobedient, some translators like Yusufali have added the adjective “lightly”. This lightly does not exist in the original Arabic. There are many cases like this. If you knew Arabic and could read that book in the original language you would not have defended it so blindly. Who said that piece of garage is “extra terrestrial?” This is the stupidest lie that Muslims keep telling themselves for over a thousand years. I checked it out for myself and found that it is a lie.


Check this out AntiChristian
Re: Arguement From A Reformed Converted Moslem With Another Moslem Part 1 by TheRealOwner(m): 2:17am On Apr 09, 2022
2006 thread. Wow

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Re: Arguement From A Reformed Converted Moslem With Another Moslem Part 1 by AntiChristian: 5:18am On Apr 09, 2022
cornelboy:

Check this out AntiChristian

Why do I need to check it out?

You claim your God instituted old covenant but later change it to new as the old was brutal and senseless.

Who follows such type of God that changes covenant?

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Re: Arguement From A Reformed Converted Moslem With Another Moslem Part 1 by cornelboy(f): 10:38am On Apr 09, 2022
AntiChristian:


Why do I need to check it out?

You claim your God instituted old covenant but later change it to new as the old was brutal and senseless.

Who follows such type of God that changes covenant?

Well Mohammed lied that it's that same God that send him.

The old covenant for the Israelites God's chosen people and the New covenant brought by Jesus extended salvation for all people and race.
Peace.

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Re: Arguement From A Reformed Converted Moslem With Another Moslem Part 1 by AntiChristian: 4:49am On Apr 10, 2022
cornelboy:


Well Mohammed lied that it's that same God that send him.

The old covenant for the Israelites God's chosen people and the New covenant brought by Jesus extended salvation for all people and race.
Peace.

Just as the questioner asked in that passage you told me to read, where did God mentioned old and new covenant in the Bible?

You're lying with God's name.
Re: Arguement From A Reformed Converted Moslem With Another Moslem Part 1 by cornelboy(f): 4:04pm On Apr 10, 2022
AntiChristian:


Just as the questioner asked in that passage you told me to read, where did God mentioned old and new covenant in the Bible?

You're lying with God's name.

Go and find it. It's there.

Face reality bobo.

How's the fast going?


Do you know that Mohammed's not the first person to do the 30 days fast and pilgrim to Mecca?

These were the activities of pagans in Mecca before Mohammed came with Islam and stop the pagans from observing their religious rituals but your prophet continued the practices himself in the name of Allah.

Are these practices commanded in the all glorious Koran that's fully explained and detailed?

Of courses Mohammed worshiped idol and use Allah as face cover.
Re: Arguement From A Reformed Converted Moslem With Another Moslem Part 1 by AntiChristian: 6:53pm On Apr 10, 2022
cornelboy:


Go and find it. It's there.

Face reality bobo.

How's the fast going?


Do you know that Mohammed's not the first person to do the 30 days fast and pilgrim to Mecca?

These were the activities of pagans in Mecca before Mohammed came with Islam and stop the pagans from observing their religious rituals but your prophet continued the practices himself in the name of Allah.

Are these practices commanded in the all glorious Koran that's fully explained and detailed?

Of courses Mohammed worshiped idol and use Allah as face cover.

Falsehood and conjectures!

Bring the clear proofs!
Re: Arguement From A Reformed Converted Moslem With Another Moslem Part 1 by cornelboy(f): 10:58pm On Apr 12, 2022
AntiChristian:


Falsehood and conjectures!

Bring the clear proofs!

Lol.
You no de read Hadith?
All Muslims are so dumb.
Re: Arguement From A Reformed Converted Moslem With Another Moslem Part 1 by AntiChristian: 5:50am On Apr 13, 2022
cornelboy:


Lol.
You no de read Hadith?
All Muslims are so dumb.

If All Muslims are dumb then that means all Jehovah witnesses are worse!

No wonder Jesus said his people perish cos they lack knowledge!

Blatant liar!
Re: Arguement From A Reformed Converted Moslem With Another Moslem Part 1 by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:56am On Apr 13, 2022
cornelboy:

Check this out AntiChristian

Please brother leave this boy alone, he has gotten enough proof through so much discussions on Nairaland. In fact i never got a quarter of what he's getting here when i discovered that Islam is a waste of time.
So let him be, if he ask any question just give him the answer at least if he's not willing to listen someone following will see that he's gotten the right answer to his questions and that he's just deceiving himself!

Allow him to continue burying his brain in the sand for the demon introduced to his father by Arabs! undecided

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Re: Arguement From A Reformed Converted Moslem With Another Moslem Part 1 by AntiChristian: 6:34am On Apr 13, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


Please brother leave this boy alone, he has gotten enough proof through so much discussions on Nairaland. In fact i never got a quarter of what he's getting here when i discovered that Islam is a waste of time.
So let him be, if he ask any question just give him the answer at least if he's not willing to listen someone following will see that he's gotten the right answer to his questions and that he's just deceiving himself!

Allow him to continue burying his brain in the sand for the demon introduced to his father by Arabs! undecided


At least Jesus too buried his head in the ground too. And many other important Prophet like Moses, Abraham and co did same.

But I never knew Jehovah witnesses can tell brazen lies as you did.

No wonder you always claim you left Islam. When a brain has much affinity for falsehood truth can't stand!

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Re: Arguement From A Reformed Converted Moslem With Another Moslem Part 1 by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:19am On Apr 13, 2022
AntiChristian:


At least Jesus too buried his head in the ground too. And many other important Prophet like Moses, Abraham and co did same.

But I never knew Jehovah witnesses can tell brazen lies as you did.

No wonder you always claim you left Islam. When a brain has much affinity for falsehood truth can't stand!

MaxInDHouse:


It's not about bowing that you will know what they're bowing to my guy, it's the aftermath of their bowing! Matthew 7:16-18

Jesus worshiped someone during his lifetime and we can only ascertain the Person Jesus worshiped through the product of his teachings. Matthew 26:52

Jesus never encouraged settling disputes with weapons because if you do you will have to kill your fellow worshipers and who will you pray to for help to conquer (destroy) your enemies if not the same God you're bowing to?
That's how we know that you're worshiping a demon as you and your fellow Muslims carry weapons to kill one another after bowing to your Allah and your Allah failed to resolve the disputes between it's worshipers.

That's the BITTER truth! John 8:32 smiley

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Re: Arguement From A Reformed Converted Moslem With Another Moslem Part 1 by cornelboy(f): 9:09am On Apr 13, 2022
AntiChristian:


If All Muslims are dumb then that means all Jehovah witnesses are worse!

No wonder Jesus said his people perish cos they lack knowledge!

Blatant liar!
I'll bring the Hadiths by sahih bukhari no worry. Don't ask me for chain of narration o. Cos as we all know his Hadith is authorised.

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Re: Arguement From A Reformed Converted Moslem With Another Moslem Part 1 by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:28am On Apr 13, 2022
cornelboy:

I'll bring the Hadiths by sahih bukhari no worry. Don't ask me for chain of narration o. Cos as we all know his Hadith is authorised.

He will start arguing as if his religion allows for reasoning but when it comes to Bible he won't like to reason at all to get the practical application of what he's quoting! wink

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Re: Arguement From A Reformed Converted Moslem With Another Moslem Part 1 by AntiChristian: 11:39am On Apr 14, 2022
cornelboy:

I'll bring the Hadiths by sahih bukhari no worry. Don't ask me for chain of narration o. Cos as we all know his Hadith is authorised.

His Hadith is the most authentic only After the Qur'an!

Na Bible get "Authorised Version".

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