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| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by CaptainJune: 2:34pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
johnydon22: At least I have proved the fact that we have spirits and animals don't. What is your proof to the contrary? |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by johnydon22(m): 2:38pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
CaptainJune:I already decided to forgo the childish argument but this just pulled me back.. What proof did you postulate to substantiate your claims of spirit abeg  The bible is your proof? Oh goodness me  !!! do you really even know what proof is or what an empirical evidence entails 4 Likes |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by dalaman: 4:04pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
CaptainJune: Here are people who are not Hindus but white Americans that claim to have reincarnated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z19SwRpJz0I 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by dalaman: 4:06pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
CaptainJune: The bible if proof that humans have souls just as the Hindu religious book is evidence that humans reincarnate. You are a very funny joke. 1 Like |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by dalaman: 4:18pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
CaptainJune: The internet is also filled with people claiming that they were abducted and taken to outer space by aliens. There are many videos of that. The claims of Christians visiting heaven and seeing Jesus is a lie because each and every one of them describe Jesus with very different features and it's obvious they are just imagining things and telling lies which is what humans do all of the time,. Humans are very good at lying to promote their cause. While some describe Jesus a white man with white man features like blue eyes, blonde hair, others describe some one that is completely imaginary. Some will tell you that Jesus has a white flowing hair with eyes the color of fire , other will tell you that his hair color is golden and his eye color is like thick blue. Its obvious that they are just making things up. That is beside the message they claim Jesus told them to tell others. All their messages differ and always aligns with their church doctrines. 2 Likes |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by scarred9jan(m): 5:10pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
johnydon22: The Holy Book whose's teachings i subscribe to The Holy WALTDISNEY says all dogs go to heaven. 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by MizJanet(f): 7:07pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
CaptainJune: Lol , good u admit @ color
Okayyy you are trying to tell me Ecclesistes 9:5 and 10 contradict Ecclesistes 12:14  * a book of truth doesnt contradict itself*
You expose Another contradiction: Heb 9:27 = judgement occur when u die and Act 17:31 = judgement has a fixed day , its still future . Its clear you guys are confuse bunch. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by MizJanet(f): 7:17pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
CaptainJune: Ecc 3:19-21 says " man and animals have one spirit " ! See ur life , so since your bible which you relied on as proof says animals have spirit as man . Tell me where chickens and cows go when they die ? Lol , i guess lions go to hell . Y'all are confuse beings . 7 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by malvisguy212: 10:14pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
MizJanet:animal have spirit, but its different from ours, you should have quote the verse so that we can see the different between the spirit of human and animal. The Bible indicates that God created this universe for the purpose of choosing or rejecting Him. The purpose of heaven is to reward those who love God and want to live with Him forever. How do pet fit in ? Can pet make a moral decision? Can pet differentiate between Good and evil ?NO. The higher animals (including the ones we usually choose as pets) are soulish creatures, which is why they can relate to us. However, they lack a spirit, which we humans have, so that their fate is different from ours: Ecclesiastes 3:21 Who knows the spirit of the sons of men, which goes UPWARDS, and the spirit of the beast, which goes DOWN to the earth? 1 Like |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by NumberOne2(m): 1:15am On Jul 13, 2015 |
menesheh: If an Atheist TRUELY believes there is nothing after life, just rot and turning to manure. Why spend so much energy (in this ONE LIFE) trying to disprove a God that you are certain doesn't exist? I look at the profiles of most Atheist on NL, over 90% are active in the religious section. Kinda contradictory isn't it? I don't believe in the Santa Claus, I know not to spend my precious (one life) trying to disprove Santa Claus and Tooth fairy. There are more important things to do. This is just on of the many hypocrisies of Atheism. Claiming A and doing B. It amazes me to find an intelligent person who fights against something which he does not at all believe exists. --Mohandas Gandhi 1 Like |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by johnydon22(m): 7:42am On Jul 13, 2015 |
NumberOne2:So because someone is an atheist he shouldn't do what he likes? what you fail to understand is that we enjoy the arguments, we enjoy the fun. if we don't we won't come to nairaland. You rarely see me in facebook talk more of arguing there because its not fun to me. I live my life more focused on this life and doing what i like and when am free, what i like is nairaland to pass time. There are many naive minds out there still clutched in the cold hands of stupid indoctrination, atheist being here have evened the floor and have made some of them to start asking the important questions. . So as long as there is time to log in, you will always see atheist here challenging your beliefs and showing everyone how funny it is...  People do not go about throwing sacta claus and tooth fairy in your face, people don't go about trying to tell you how tooth fairy wants you to behave, people don't start preaching to you about tooth fairy in the bus or in nairaland, again no atheist is trying to DISPROVE anything, are we disproving what you have not PROVEN? thats the funny part. . . I have no problem if you believe a bearded unicorn, but when you try to tell me what i should do so as not to offend your unicorn, then we have a problem.. As long as you have the impetus to always conjure up more of the myths to keep more people tucked into your delusion, someone will always be there to challenge it.. You mean Mahatma Ghandi?.. Again atheists or agnostics are not fighting your god (its just an idea) what we stand up against is you theists (at least i know you exist) imposing their delusion on people, trying to downplay scientific knowledge in the young ones to uphold superstition and myth. .even a god if one exists would be ashamed of theists for that. And finally i don't see an atheist fighting you for what you believe in, we question it, argue, scrutinize it you call that fighting? then maybe you are scared of atheist since arguing (with a human)over his delusional idea is now fighting. . . Christians burnt atheist at the stake when christianity ruled Europe. We will all be happy to keep our atheism to ourselves if you will also do the needful and keep your theism to yourself 8 Likes 1 Share
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| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by menesheh(m): 7:48am On Jul 13, 2015 |
NumberOne2: Until the time you and your kind learn how to keep your inexplicable and unprovable believe where it belong (your brain), me and my fellows who hate being push to the brink will continue what we do. Due to the nature of what we do which is somehow rare, we decided to find happiness doing it. Personally i love and find joy in telling you where you are wrong so that you stop spreading your nonsensical idea to innocent others. You don't believe in santa clause right? i bet you a thousand dollars, tell me how many times you've seen somebody who believed in Santa Claus shouting in the street, bus, school, NL and almost everywhere, telling you with certainty to believe in what he/she is convinced exist. You keep on disturbing the peace of others who doesn't share the same believe with you and you expect them to keep mute and watch you do just that? Let's see how it goes. Maybe i ve forgotten the meaning of hypocrite , i will visit my dictionary to know the meaning first before i comment on who between me and you is just that . Bro calm down 8 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by MizJanet(f): 9:13am On Jul 13, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Buhaha @ underlined , " all have the SAME spirit" eclesistes 3:19
Lie again , " all have the SAME fate" eclesistes 3:19
open your eyes and see what you quote, it says: "WHO KNOWS" some of your bible version even say " FOR WHO CAN PROVE" NLT , " WHO KNOWS WHETHER" ESV . seems you guys cant comprehend 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by malvisguy212: 10:38am On Jul 13, 2015 |
MizJanet:look, every sane and knowledgeable human being will know that human spirit and animal spirit are different, sorry to say this , you are not interlingent enough, you cannot interpret the bible. The bible say God created male and female in His image and likeness, this image was not reffering to His physical characteristics, do you know what hermaphrodite is ? Unless God were a hermaphrodite (having both male and female sexual organs), this phrase could not refer to just physical characteristics. In addition, there are various verses in the Bible that describe God as having non-human physical characteristics. So if the "image of God" does not refer to physical characteristics, what does it refer to? It is certainly likely that part of the "image of God" refers to the ability of humans to be creative. Anthropology tells us that sophisticated works of art first appeared in the fossil record about 40,000-50,000 years ago, at the time that moderns humans first appeared. No other species of animal,including the apes, are able to create and understand images of art and drawing. Human consciousness is a mystery ,is different from animal, do animal have conscious?Another thing that makes humans unique is personality. The spirit is that part of humans that is able to love and experience God directly. It is found in no other animal species, since no other species can experience God or form a relationship with Him. Is there any evidence that humans possess a spirit? Recent attempts have been aimed at trying to identify the part of the brain involved in "religious" experiences. Unfortunately, the current studies are restricted to an examination of meditative experiences, since the specific subjects used in the research were Tibetan Buddhist meditators. During meditation, the goal is to completely divorce oneself from external sensory stimulation. The ability to do so,apparently leads to some sense of "oneness with the universe", since the brain is deprived of sensory input while still remaining active. Soo keep living in denial. |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by Nobody: 10:46am On Jul 13, 2015 |
menesheh: 666 likes for you, you spoke my mind. These hypocrites should be put where they belong. NumberOne2: we do it because we want relative peace in our world. The less people you influence, the safer our world! 3 Likes |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by MizJanet(f): 10:50am On Jul 13, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Lol @bold , are u saying ur bible is NOT INTELLIGENT , really ? Seem u forgot its d bible that said " man and animals have same spirit" ecc 3:19 ! Oh its not intelligent .okay 4 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by NumberOne2(m): 10:51am On Jul 13, 2015 |
menesheh: Every end of year since I was born, Santa Claus has been in my face. I even see folks dressed like him with the red cap. Talk about annoyance. Who cares, the guy doesn't exist. However its different with Atheist and non existent gods. Now that is a problem. johnydon22:More inconsistencies in BOLDED: Atheist are superstitions also. Are you attacking superstition in Atheism also? Big bang is a myth widely accepted by Atheist. Are you attacking it also? So why is the "Christian myth" the focus? Admit or not, there is a preference for attacking the "Christian myth". Well, maybe like you said, you enjoy. Have fun. johnydon22:Well, this will be possible if there weren't so many Atheists trolling NL religious section. The thread board speaks for itself. |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by onetrack(m): 11:05am On Jul 13, 2015 |
NumberOne2: There is solid scientific evidence for the big bang. The theory was not just made up by some Bronze Age desert dweller. Scientists pieced the theory together after following the evidence. And if it turns out that future research disproves some aspect of the theory, then the theory will be altered. There is no superstition here; superstitions don't change with new evidence; it is simply ignored. As far as atheists trolling religion section, I'm also tired of religious preachers trolling the television channels and billboards with their chicanery. Fortunately I can skip those silly channels, but I can't stop from seeing the billboards and advertisements. Maybe it's time for some atheist billboards and TV channels? 5 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by Nobody: 11:08am On Jul 13, 2015 |
NumberOne2: Same place you will go regardless of what you have been led to believe. 1 Like |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by johnydon22(m): 11:10am On Jul 13, 2015 |
NumberOne2:Every year during Christmas a pegan originated CHRISTIAN festival, are you forgetting sancta claus yet is a christian invention? Again, nobody goes around telling me to believe in sancta claus, no body goes around telling what sancta claus wants from me or shouting in buses to tell me i need sancta claus, or church of sancta claus disturbing my sleep, . . .so you see? i have no problem with people who think sancta claus are real.. Again i have no problem with what you believe, you may believe a flying bunny for all i care. But when you start intruding into my life and society with your beliefs then we have a problem [b] Big bang a myth? hahahaha no wonder many people say theist don't actually study. The big bang is a SCIENTIFIC study, pay mind to the SCIENTIFIC. it has nothing to do with atheism. Many theist as well as atheist agree with that scientific theory which of course still is under heavy study and observations. . Unless you mean to tell me scientific studies are myth or maybe you don't know the meaning of myth but this is typically a laughable assertion from someone who allegedly must have gone to school. Superstition is superstition no matter who possess it. . . If a nairaland atheist brings his superstition to a public forum like this he should expect real refutation from people and same goes to all of you. . . Myth should be taught as myth, fables as fables. . teaching superstitions as truth is horrifying because it impairs the scientific and intellectual development of the young ones. . and that is the problem. Whether christian superstition, Muslim superstition or an atheist being superstitious. its still the same, keep it to yourself and we are ok but when you bring it to a public forum and try to sell it to the public as truth, then prepare to be challenged and debunked. . .Some people are allergic to swallowing bullshiit.[/b] It would be if there weren't many stupendous threads, many threads about atheist, many of them using religious books to spell out imaginary punishment on atheists and believers of other religions. You expect people to seat and watch you dabble into such nonsensical delusional field trip unchallenged. . Again if you keep your theism to yourself, then atheist will surely keep theirs to themselves like you want. 4 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by menesheh(m): 11:32am On Jul 13, 2015 |
NumberOne2: You are just interested in my $1000 but could not meet up with the criterias for it. I said santa believer who vigorously tried to convince you to believe in Santa Claus. Atheists are not superstitious. It is a disbelief in superstition, natural causation and the process of invoking people's conciousness to reconsider their various believes whether it meet-up with the normal rational way of determining whether a concept is fact or not. 3 Likes |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by NumberOne2(m): 12:07pm On Jul 13, 2015 |
onetrack: Isn't life just amazing? Atheism in avoiding religion has ended up creating one. johnydon22: Do you believe everything you were taught in school? So as not to prolong this thread. Religion aside, big bang is a scientific BELIEF with little evidence connecting the dots. It is based on certain assumptions (NOT FACTS). Infact, a lot of scientist DO NOT subscribe to it. If the dictionary def of myth is anything to go by, it will be safe to call it a myth. Anyone who can think will immediately see the flaws in "big bang". Statements about big bang begin with scientist believe that billions of year ago... talk about FAITH. A car (less complex than a living being) came about on its own by collision of glass, plastic, metals, bolts, oil, water etc over time? Really C'mon. menesheh: Bro, don't need the money. Refering to be BOLDED. Atheist are superstitious. Some believe in Santa Claus and Toothfairy but not in existence of a God. Talk of hypocrisy. 1 Like |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by malvisguy212: 12:16pm On Jul 13, 2015 |
MizJanet:I gave you example of how human can make a moral choice , something animal cannot do , I explained how God created human in His image and likeness, something that is absent in animal, I gave you an example of how human can chose to love God or reject Him , ALL this , I gave you example of them all using the bible,YET you are still saying this nonsense ? Seriously ? Doesent the example in the BIBLE indicate human spirit are different from animals ? If you are a good moral human ,pleased don't quote me again unless you want to reason. |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by menesheh(m): 12:41pm On Jul 13, 2015 |
NumberOne2: Do You know your problem? You want it the easy way and never care to study a concept critically b4 you criticise. You wanted it this easy way- believe in god! ohh yea it is awesome i believe in god without asking question. Big bang is not a child play or god concept, therefore dont joke with it. If you ever do that, you are joking with the entire scientific enterprise, where you as a christian apologist depend on almost all your daily dealings - typing on Nairaland, tranport from here to there, using computer, work made easy, music and almost all spere of contemporary human endeavors. My happiness is that you admitted that science allowed for criticism and disbelief in big bang. The essence of that is to continue for more critical research and upgrade to avoid believing in big bang as a delusion. But god concept is, "am correct and no room for upgrade of old ideas whether is true or not" Refering to be BOLDED. Atheist are superstitious. Some believe in Santa Claus and Toothfairy but not in existence of a God. Talk of hypocrisy. I don't care what some atheists believe but i am talking on a more general atheism ideas of non-believe in superstition. That obi call himself a doctor but he didn't have criterias for being a doctor doesn't make him one. 1 Like 2 Shares |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by dalaman: 12:49pm On Jul 13, 2015 |
malvisguy212:, Some animals like chimpanzee and elephants make moral.choices. [I explained how God created human in His image and likeness, something that is absent in animal, If humans are created in God's image and likeness then why aren't humans invisible? Why do you guys keep saying thrash? 2 Likes |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by Nobody: 12:55pm On Jul 13, 2015 |
NumberOne2:permit me to say this but u just lied. I personally dont believe in any of those |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by menesheh(m): 12:58pm On Jul 13, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Your argument is always a child play. What is it that allowed you to make a moral choice as you put it (moral judgement). If your answer is your "brain", all animals have various cognitive reasoning ability that varies according to the way it evolved. Other animals have other possessions that you as a human didn't evolved with. Loving or rejecting god is still the outcome of your brain chemistry. A mad person or a toddler don't give a damn about loving god or rejecting him because of the same brain chemistry. Seriously ? Doesent the example in the BIBLE indicate human spirit are different from animals ? Until you or the bible demonstrate and substantiate what a spirit is, it will still remain a dormant postulation and nonsensical. 3 Likes |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by malvisguy212: 1:11pm On Jul 13, 2015 |
menesheh:is this what you learn from my post ? Go back and read it again. dalaman:Chimpanzee can make moral choice ? Proved it please. God is a spirit, is human a spirit ? Foolish atheist (sorry) what do you understand in the book of john 1 ? |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by Weah96: 1:29pm On Jul 13, 2015 |
CaptainJune: In some religions, only the equivalent of the devil can see visions and paradise and stuff. Mohammed was the last prophet from God, and according to the Quran, the prophet business ended when he died. Anyone seeing visions in Islam is either possessed or telling lies. In Christianity, God forgives sin if the person can make sounds come out of his mouth and recite words. For this reason, anyone can claim anything, because forgiveness is always 20 secs of tongue work away. The bible has many disclaimers that ensure its survival. For example, don't add or subtract words is the most stupid and insidious warning ever. It's something that even I will remember to put in my own fake holy book. |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by johnydon22(m): 1:52pm On Jul 13, 2015 |
NumberOne2:Hahahahahaha yea just like OFFing a television is a television channel.  [b]You see why people make theist way of thinking out to be relatively low? Am i supposed to always tell you that BIG BANG is a SCIENTIFIC STUDY not a BELIEF. I am pretty sure you do not know the difference between a branch of study and belief. . .Study is open to observation, modification and more experimentation to improve the quality of truth and ascertain the actual truth. BELIEF is, this is true whether it is true or not. . . That you are not cognitive enough to know the difference between both is your own cup of tea not mine. Many theist and atheist subscribe to this theory (am sure you don't and can't define what a scientific theory is unless you search Google) Big bang as a branch of science is still under study, i am not even sure you can categorically tell me what big bang is because it is certain that you are not even sure of what you are referring to. Finally: Big Bang has nothing to do with atheism, it is science and am sure if you can pin point the flaws in it and tender it to the scientific community you would be helping big time in the development of that branch of study. I am really ashamed that a youth like you cannot even differentiate between BELIEF and STUDY. . its quite a pity and sad. N.B: I for one do not subscribe to any of the theories about the origin of anything, i simply say i don't know. [/b] Hahahaha you see when i said you had no idea what Big Bang is i was very very CORRECT. an educated homosapien do not know what radiometric dating is talk more of knowing other methods of astronomical dating and calculations. representing the mathematical formulas here will be a total waste of energy... Again am ashamed a young vibrant youth who know nothing of astronomy is here trying to tag faith to scientific studies. . .You need help Lmao, a car is an inanimate entity. Glass is a product of sand, bolts and oils and all materials are refined they are not primary natural occurring objects. . . Man being a part of nature and also nature is an organic biological entity, the universe is organic. . I always have a good laugh when you see people comparing inanimate objects to organic and biological matters. It shows what a pitiable state your logic really is .. Many theist disbelief the existence of tooth fairies but yet believe in god, thats not hypocrisy? since following your analogy being superstitious should be synonymous to belief in god. What am i even saying, i have not even seen a superstitious atheist in nairaland before. As long as you and those atheist that are superstitious, keep your superstitions, belief and practises to yourself, i am very ok with that. But when it encroaches into my life, society and general day to day routine, retarding our young minds of scientific knowledge(of which you are a big victim of) then we have a problem because that part concerns me. 1 Like |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by onetrack(m): 1:54pm On Jul 13, 2015 |
NumberOne2: Of course I don't believe everything I was taught in school. The Big Bang is a theory, not simply a belief, because it is backed up with reams of evidence. And I'd like you to name any prominent modern astronomer who categorically rejects the big bang, and what they actually believe. There is no faith here, because faith is believing in something without evidence. And priniciples of evolution demonstrate clearly how complex forms of life arise over time from less complex forms of life. Nothing at all mysterious about evolution. If evolution and the environment favored development of life forms resembling cars, then car-like life forms may have evolved. 1 Like |
| Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by johnydon22(m): 2:01pm On Jul 13, 2015 |
menesheh:Hahahahaha you are arguing with malvisguy. . . prepare to get a murdered copy and paste of apologetic website as his logic and bible quotations as a back up. . .  3 Likes |
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