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| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:16pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
Tallesty1: Miracle is simply mirage. Charm is a pratical spiritual, scientifical and esoteric device. Magic is an entertaining art while charm is a Super natural phenomenon. |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:20pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
Raymondenyi: The question is not if God does exist but does what you called God really exist? Who doesn't know that Snakes exist. There are cultures in the world which allow worship of snakes as God. So we can boldly say here that God exist. But how would explain an imaginary being refer to as God? It simply does not exist man 1 Like |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by davien(m): 9:23pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE:One very basic thing i don't get about supposed "supernatural" phenomenon is that,can we still call it "supernatural" when it manifests in nature or perceptible reality? For instance we could say a person believes someone with two heads is "supernatural" but when it comes down to it...it's a natural occurence due to mutations....can naturalistic explanations ever be separated to really conclude something to be "supernatural" or "above nature"? |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by Nobody: 9:23pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
davien: This is the third usage of solipsist I have come across since my existence and the previous usage I've never been refered to my person. No I'm not.. I see a solipsist as one likely to, with time have a nihilistic tendency. Now to your question. Note that I am not trying to down play it but we all know the answer as a lot to with the popular phrase of "the gods must be angry" with the inflicted person or tribe or nation. It is the usual tendency for man to elevate what he does not understand to the "godhood" sphere. |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:23pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
johnydon22: The blablabla. I wilk get my own bullet, get my own gun. Mazaje says more than this. Weigraf was on the run when the challenge was daring on his face. Where is Dalaman or what is he called? Do your goverment invest in charm making? Why would you blame your jamming gun on charm? |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by davien(m): 9:25pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
leadzeal:Not exactly or necessarily
 Explain coherently please.... |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by johnydon22(m): 9:25pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE:Ok i don't even get your point |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by dalaman: 9:31pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE: Why are you calling my name? I gave you and your man a simple task and you failed to do it so I wonder why are you mentioning my name? |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:32pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
davien: Pls bear with me bro. I cant type fast and prone to make alot of mistakes using this touchpad. Pks bear with me. Supernatural is a manifestation or event attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature. It is supernatural when there is no explanation and mostly attributed to some forces or energy. At the point when there is exolanation, it cease been supernatural |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:33pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
dalaman: Failed with you? Not really me |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:40pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
johnydon22: Bro. You have a bullet and can shatter one head then later head to the cementry for burial. . . good. Why dont you pick up a challenge with ghostofsparta? I made a deal with Mazaje and he is nowhere to be found till today. Someone too put a challenge up there and no one could pick it. You can give a hand here pls |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by johnydon22(m): 9:43pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE:Then its settled then because going by this, one can rightly see that: What you term "Supernatural" are just phenomenons you don't yet understand |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by dalaman: 9:43pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE: I told you to use your Osayin to predict the winner of the 2015 general elections in such a way that it can never be disputed . You said you needed the permission of the other guy(ghost of something, I've forgotten the full name). The guy said he couldn't do that but will get back to me on a more daring challenge. Its over 4 months now. You guys are jokers. 1 Like |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by davien(m): 9:45pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE:no problem.. If it's above scientific understanding(which routinely employs logic) and the laws of nature(which we can understand) then how would we detect or attribute it to anything when those are the bars we use to attribute or understand things?.... For instance,using terms like "force" is an understanding of a phenomenon that has an attractive or repulsive effect on objects ....this knowledge is derived from an understanding of nature .... if the "supernatural" is above nature you won't even know what it is ...let alone be able to label it a force because nature is the ground where we pull our understanding from and terms...so how could a force be out of nature if indeed it's a force?  Then the term is an argument from ignorance....everything once ceased an explanation to humans and now that we've had an understanding of them they cease to be "supernatural"....can you affirm that this trend won't go on in the far future for the things you consider "supernatural" right now? 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by johnydon22(m): 9:45pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE:I can really really do that, i live in ENUGU. . anyone available and up to it can pay me a visit. . . we will get the police warrant because i wouldn't want to go to jail. . better still put it on a goat or dog to avoid putting human life in danger. Then the show can be done fully video documented. . .we will get to it.. I have accepted such challenge many times even offered the guy he could shoot back if the bullet didn't penetrate, but we all know how the story always ends. 1 Like |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by dalaman: 9:47pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE: I took his challenge but he ran away. 1 Like |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by Nobody: 9:51pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
The security only said (verbally) that charms are efficacious against bullets' penetration & his baseless claim can be very misleading. Are you just going to take his word for it? Don't assume as true anything that hasn't been verified. Anthropologists have maintained that the believe in charms, magic and witchcraft is strongly associated with poverty. In the same vein, I would like to argue that "Juju" almost certainly doesn't exist with these thoughts: 1. Considering the social nature of man, shouldn't the practitioners of the so-called "Juju" be more popular than they really are presently? 2. If one can conjure up a mystical cloak that stops bullets from piercing into people's skin, shouldn't he (or she or it) be able to create mystical bullets that fly around without guns to fire them? Wouldn't such powers be harnessed for some sensible gain and into mainstream military tactics? 3.Why is it that testimonies of "odeshi" are always stories handed down by primitive oral traditions and not from living witnesses? Is it possible that "Odeshi" works only when there is no one is witness it? 4. Why is it that the cannibal warlords of Liberia still fell to fatal gunshot wounds even when they ate human babies as a price for attainment of invincibility? 5. On a ridiculous note, Is it possible that in all the wars that were fought in the past decades, Hitler, Idi'amin, Osama Bin Laden & Mussolini never discovered these so-called charms so as to protect themselves and their battalions? I am not surprised that this delusional worldview is only held by the most intellectually lazy people that happen to share this planet with us. What a disgrace to the human species! These evil views should be discredited and considered as myths (which is only what it's worth) for cinema entertainment purposes. 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:55pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
johnydon22: He should come and meet you in Enugu or what? Here is it https://www.nairaland.com/1510778/all-atheists-once-all you got him. He is in Lagos. And I will take a charm challenge with you if you can come down to Ondo State |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:56pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
johnydon22: This is simple. |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by johnydon22(m): 9:57pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE:Its settled then, he can't come to enugu but you expect me to go visit someone in lagos or ondo from east (whats worse, do so while with a gun in my bag) Am sure you are not expecting me to be that daft 1 Like |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by dalaman: 9:58pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE: Ghostofsparta is a blowhard. He is not to be taken seriously. He offered a challenge. I accepted and he ran away. |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:58pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
dalaman: Prove it. You can still source the convo out |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by Nobody: 10:00pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
davien: This may be long.. Why I think a thin line exist with both group I choose not to be tagged with any group or entity be it atheist, christian, agnostic. From my experience, I notice my nature of believe changes as I come of age. The christians will call it "working out my salvation", in my philosophical pursuit i will call it "walking in descartes footsteps" by making my mind as transparent as possible and free from all prejudice . I can validate that I am solipsist just cos I tend to stand out of the other group but this assumption is quickly countered because i don't believe two solipsist are alike. So why but them in the same group. I want to state here that all other group are not free from the nihilistic tendency. davien: You said "pathogens" and went further to state that they were the cause of the diseases. See my friend, pathogen is a name tag, back then their "pathogens" were known as "anger of the gods". They resorted to this because they don't have the medical advancement we have now to resolve the issue. Humans change with time and no human is alike or think alike. Being part of group has put in hate in me and ofcourse prejudice in time past. I won't be surprise if we have a church for agnostic or atheist in the future. Why this if i may ask? Let our logic justify our believe and we shall be happy. |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by FOLYKAZE(m): 10:03pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
davien: This is not completely ignorance. For example, rain falling was attributed to gods or some spirit been behind it. But today we alk know that this spirit and gods are some forces. And today, have some people that can stop rain or make rain. They acquire this skill from somewhere. They know what they are doing but do not have scientific explanation for it. When science come into an event, gods and spirit are repkaced with force and energy. So to ne, this isnt about ignorance but bringing one stuff to the age of science |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by FOLYKAZE(m): 10:04pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
dalaman: Prove it pls |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by FOLYKAZE(m): 10:05pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
johnydon22: Lol. Pack well pls People dont travel with their gun? Lets put a gun aside. What about a knife? Lets try that out |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by dalaman: 10:07pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by johnydon22(m): 10:12pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE:And perhaps the charm forbid you from travelling out right.... Seriously? You can't come to Enugu neither can i travel all the way to Osun (stuff like that) So stop the internet hype because you know for sure i cant travel down to the west (for a flimsy reason as tasting a charm) **imagine** Maybe we can do a little demonstration that do not require any travel. . . How about tell me the colour of clothing am wearing now or maybe You can jump a 3 storied building unhurt and unbruised (video) |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by FOLYKAZE(m): 10:15pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
dalaman: Did he mail you or called on your attention that all is set? Do you reach him since after then? |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by davien(m): 10:16pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
leadzeal:Are two humanists alike? If all other groups aren't free from nihilism then what exactly is your point in the first place by stating you're not a solipsist because you believe some to be nihilists? I know it's a name-tag and it is one objectively drawn from evidence and observation..."anger of the gods" is a subjective term owed to preference of the "supernatural" Hate is inevitable as a normal social human being....we hate things to give ourselves a justification for our actions,to give ourselves limits and to distinct what we consider to be good or bad... If the term church is redefined outside religious affiliations and broaden any organization would fit the term church'....maybe a group of ants could be a church with enough redefinitions  |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by FOLYKAZE(m): 10:18pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
johnydon22: Lol Demonstration you say? It is good when it hapoen right in your front. |
| Re: Charms As Defense Against Gunfire, An Agnostic Viewpoint. by Nobody: 10:19pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
Juju, mermaid, santa claus.. Should I call them myth or factual? Well, the answer to this is a term know as RELATIVE. Lets not be hasty to conclude the whole talisma thing is hoax. Not because you can't prove it means you should refute it or even go as far as negating it. Many theories and postulations passed through the fire test before they were accepted as fact. I believe talisma will either pass it or not and no matter the outcome, the believer can choose to believe or not. Believe is Relative. |
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