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| Re: Are we Better-off With Faith to Evidence for Believing That A God Exists by menesheh(m): 9:59pm On Aug 13, 2015 |
| Re: Are we Better-off With Faith to Evidence for Believing That A God Exists by Eddlad: 10:01pm On Aug 13, 2015 |
menesheh: Are you evading? This is a brilliant chance to enlighten a "myth believer" like myself. |
| Re: Are we Better-off With Faith to Evidence for Believing That A God Exists by menesheh(m): 10:13pm On Aug 13, 2015 |
Eddlad: menesheh: Eddlad: menesheh: Eddlad: menesheh: Eddlad: Does it make sense to you? if you want to introduce a new topic for discussion aside the one in the post, am out. |
| Re: Are we Better-off With Faith to Evidence for Believing That A God Exists by Eddlad: 10:19pm On Aug 13, 2015 |
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| Re: Are we Better-off With Faith to Evidence for Believing That A God Exists by menesheh(m): 10:27pm On Aug 13, 2015 |
Eddlad: what are those things you gathered. i never see any comment of yours concerning the topic. what actually do want me say to you. |
| Re: Are we Better-off With Faith to Evidence for Believing That A God Exists by orisa37: 12:25pm On Aug 14, 2015 |
We are always better off with the existence of God. God is Spirit. He said in His words that He gives us Instructions through dreams as He did to our forefathers and the Prophets before us. Spiritology is not just Arts, not just Science but a Combination of both. That is why the athiest doesn't know that the Big-Bang was God's "Let there be." |
| Re: Are we Better-off With Faith to Evidence for Believing That A God Exists by CaptainJune: 1:10pm On Aug 14, 2015 |
nobilis: I believe your knowledge of God is purely hearsay, not gotten by study. Even a blind man can tell the difference between the Christian God and Allah. Secondly, you're talking about revelation. God revealed himself to this person and to that other person. Most of these revelations are not verifiable. We just have to take the words of those who claim they experienced God. In a court of law, in the absence of material or physical evidence, the testimony of an eye witness to an event is admissible as evidence. You do not tell the witness to provide physical evidence to verify their testimony. It's simply unheard of. The testimony of their experience is a key factor in deciding a case. Of course, they have to be examined and cross-examined so as to be certain their witness is true and not fabricated. Nonetheless, their testimony becomes as important as physical evidence. Again, when conducting an investigation into a matter, for example, to determine the whereabouts of a missing person, you question people who you think may have an idea where he may be, or who were the last persons he spent time with before he went missing, or who he last called and so forth. Here, the answers given, true or false, are based on experience, not physical evidence. However, in order to solve the case, the investigator acts on some of the answers gathered, those he deems helpful, while also looking for physical evidence to support his theories of the case of the missing person. He does not discard the testimonial evidence he has gathered because he knows they are of prime importance as physical evidence. If testimonial evidence of something is as important in weight as physical evidence of the same thing, why do you discard it? Much knowledge we have gathered today in this world have their root in the testimony of others. Why discard testimony when it is naturally meant to replace physical evidence? About the historical existence of Jesus Christ, how do you prove the existence of Alexander the Great and Socrates beyond reasonable doubt? |
| Re: Are we Better-off With Faith to Evidence for Believing That A God Exists by nobilis: 8:10pm On Aug 14, 2015 |
CaptainJune: First and foremost, I do not understand what u mean by your first paragraph. I do not understand why you will refer me to a blind man knowing the the difference between the Christian God and Allah. Of course, the differences are glaring and everybody knows that and that was exactly what I said in the post that you quoted. Maybe you didn't read and understand what I wrote before attacking me. Secondly, ur courtroom analogy doesn't really apply in this case. For one thing, there are so many inconsistencies with the bible but I don't want to go into that here. On the other hand, u say the testimony of an eyewitness. Among all the people mentioned in the Bible, the only person who was recorded as having talked to God one on one, was Moses (and mind you, that the existence of Moses has been verified yet). So which eye witness are you talking about? David never saw God nor talked to him personally. Neither did Solomon. Nor Samuel. Nor Elijah. Nor Elisha. Nor Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, and the list goes on. Yet they kept saying God told them. So we are to believe everything someone says just because he said God told him? Is that what you mean by testimony of an eyewitness? Even going along with your courtroom analogy, eyewitnesses even tell lies under oath. Secondly, a jury can make a wrongful conviction or acquittal. That doesn't make their judgment sacrosanct. That is why court judgments can be reversed. And that is why there are appellate courts. As for your last paragraph, I have addressed that issue somewhere else here on NL. But I'll just give you an insight. Go through any historical book on Socrates (who by the way lived way earlier than Jesus) or Alexander the Great and you will find that they had exact dates of birth. Even though they might not pin the date down to the exact month, but at least we know the year when Socrates was born and when he died. But in the case of Jesus, there is no such clarity. Matthew gave a time frame and Luke gave a time frame. Now between the time given by Matthew and the time given by Luke, there is a difference of about 9 years. So it simply means either that the spirit that inspired Matthew is different than the spirit that inspired Luke or that nobody was sure when the Jesus they're talking about existed. |
| Re: Are we Better-off With Faith to Evidence for Believing That A God Exists by Nobody: 11:21pm On Aug 15, 2015 |
Atheists be hovering over threads like this to dissect them Christians Especially when them just found out some 'new' knowledge. And the Christians be dancing in that endless circles of absurdity Christians and atheists argument; since 1500AC Runs out of threads....... 1 Like |
| Re: Are we Better-off With Faith to Evidence for Believing That A God Exists by winner01(m): 11:59pm On Aug 15, 2015 |
Thoniameek:i tell you my sister, only God can help them out of bondage. 3 Likes |
| Re: Are we Better-off With Faith to Evidence for Believing That A God Exists by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:14am On Aug 16, 2015 |
Thoniameek: HAHAHA ... I dont believe in Santa Claus and you dont see me opening threads and talking about him or his elves !!! 2 Likes |
| Re: Are we Better-off With Faith to Evidence for Believing That A God Exists by menesheh(m): 9:05am On Aug 16, 2015 |
winner01: A God that you can't define and prove to exist. A god that is resting on your brain. Good for you, enjoy it only you. Delusion is allow. I still say it and maintain this saying: until you care to independently verify whether or not your beliefs are true without biased or because it feel so good, you will continue dancing in delusion |
| Re: Are we Better-off With Faith to Evidence for Believing That A God Exists by winner01(m): 11:35am On Aug 16, 2015 |
menesheh:You life is enough proof that God exists .....Sooner or later, you'll find out.. I liken you to a kid who desperately chooses to go in the way of destruction while refusing the parents moral teachings....It might take long, but definately he'll wish he listened... 1 Like |
| Re: Are we Better-off With Faith to Evidence for Believing That A God Exists by lezz(m): 11:59am On Aug 16, 2015 |
menesheh:You mean, you look at cars, airplanes, trains and ships. All complex machines. Even if you didn't see anyone driving or flying one , you will know someone built them. The universe and galaxies are a thousand times more complex than any space jet and yet you won't believe something more powerful made it? Only a fool doubt the existence of God. The earth is held by nothing. It rotates on its own axis and around the sun for billions of years now without any mistakes. Yet scientist can't provide a plausible proof for its source of energy and accuracy. God is alive man. I'm not a preacher. But do not let your spirit make that realisation only when you have become immortal. The human heart is about the size of a clenched fist, if scientist ever made a machine to support the human system when the heart fails, that machine would have to be bigger than a table top refrigerator. If there's no God, life is meaningless. Everything we strive for and achieve are for nothing. 2 Likes |
| Re: Are we Better-off With Faith to Evidence for Believing That A God Exists by menesheh(m): 12:04pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
winner01: For your mind and tiny brain. Good for you. God bless you. You will soon be in heaven. I dash you my whole Blessing from god. It is all yours. Since you don't have a choice. A : Why are a Christian ? B : because my parents are Christians A : can you make a choice of your own by verifying whether or no your parents believes are true? B : no, i dont care. I believe it is true therefore it is true. If you don't repent you will go hell. A : where is hell? B : i don't know where and what it is, the only thing i know is that it is real. Just believe. No sir Am no longer believing such thing without evidence , i had believed that crap for more than 25 plus years. I have no good reasons and justifications to believing it. Enjoy |
| Re: Are we Better-off With Faith to Evidence for Believing That A God Exists by winner01(m): 3:05pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
menesheh:25+ years !!!, oh man, what happened to you? Its something to be born into a belief, its another thing to find out the truth...Other things we dont have physical evidence for include the mind, conscience, spirits, souls amongst others...But you cant deny the fact that they exist, and science dosent even come close to explaining the spiritual. Colossians 2:8 - Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. I hope you find God's grace, Amen. 2 Likes |
| Re: Are we Better-off With Faith to Evidence for Believing That A God Exists by lezz(m): 4:21pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
menesheh:Make no doubt you're indeed intelligent. After reading loads of stuff from Lobstan Ramper, later day saints,grail message and other such stuffs, I felt like you do. Even more. I felt the need to purge others off their "foolishness". If you're looking for physical evidence of God, you will find little. I can only point you to crops and their seasons. We're having corn and pear at this time of the year and it will be so next year and for all of eternity. As we make this conservation, your heart has made zillions of beats from when you were just 3 weeks as a fetus in your mommy's womb till this minute. No swizz or rolex watch can beat that long. If you would listen to your spirit, you will understand that when you dream dreams and have a premonition of what is to happen , that's your link to an eternal source(God) that defies science. I have had same beliefs as you. But I didn't even need Christianity to know there's God. I have seen people and have a staggering premonition of their deaths. And they actually died. It took me years to know that it was a gift help. I have premonition of all disasters in my personal life before it ever happens. Men can never be God to himself. Before Europeans came to our fathers, they understood from the depth of their soul there's God. All societies of humanity has acknowledged there's God. The only difference is medium. Modern education has launched a system they couldn't support. All major scientists who have postulated about the absence of God have equally admitted that the nature of the universe is beyond their comprehension. 1 Like |
| Re: Are we Better-off With Faith to Evidence for Believing That A God Exists by menesheh(m): 4:57pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
lezz: Nice one. Your comment shows maturity and coherent but there is this missing link. Am not against any supernatural causation, i will rather say "i don't know than trying to create fantasies to fill in that gap. The immense complexity of the universe is mind boggling and should ever be a disturbance to any reasonable person. Some years ago, it seems improbable if one could ever talk about a universal without a creator. But now, the more i research on this particular topic the more the implausible of a creator it seems to me. The theist sort of god concept is amazingly demeaning and belittling. Deistic concept seems more coherent but i can't assert something i know nothing about. I rather choose to follow scientific investigations which has little bias and has no respect to any god claim. Using possible evidence science can lay their hands on within the universe in the process of unraveling the puzzle seems a better idea to me. Postulating a god tends to deter any investigation on why we are here. It is kinda lazy. Thanks for your awesome and equivocal comment. |
| Re: Are we Better-off With Faith to Evidence for Believing That A God Exists by lezz(m): 7:43pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
menesheh:Lolz. If I understand you, your thirst for scientific conclusions must be satisfied first before you can even consider other options... Yes, believing in God via Christianity or Islam is lazy. And one must be scientifically and logically abreast to seek answers from a philosophical or scientific angle. But nothing is as difficult as blind faith. No amount of slugging behind an open book will measure half of the strength and wisdom it takes to have faith in God. I see a St. Paul in you. I have a close friendship with a doctor paediatrician who has been married for 25 years without child. Only faith in God saw him through. After all the pressures from friends and family, his stubbornness in faith saw him through. I have read how religion lowers the IQ of people. And you know what, it is actually true. The Bible actually speaks of "worldly wisdom". St Paul was also telling one of the new churches not to compete with the world in worldly knowledge. Science is actually meant to complement God; to see the miracle of creation and life and of healing. 1 Like |
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