It's amazing the number of Christians in this religion section who are ignorant of who they are in Christ and what God has provided for them. There are so many topics folks are ignorant about ranging from the concept of Trinity, speaking in tongues, divine healing, resurrection of the dead, divine wealth e.t.c. It's very Unfortunate majority of Christians will have to die and go to heaven before they discover what God had provided for them on earth.

Well, here I will be dealing with the issue of prosperity. (I know there are people that have abused it for their greed but that does not discount the fact).

So does God want us wealthy?

Many will give us answers like "no rich man can go to heaven" or "God told that rich man to sell all he had". Well, why don't you read all that scripture in context. And stop being biased.

"Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

We see the disciples thought like many think today and asked "Who then can be saved" implying-So which rich person can be saved? Jesus said: It is not possible with man but only with God. Why did Jesus want the rich man to give away all his riches? because his treasures had become his idol. And no Idolater as we know can enter the kingdom.

So does that mean Jesus wanted him to be poor all his life?

After the rich man had left Jesus told His disciples:
"Truly I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or farms, for My sake and for the gospel's sake, but that he will receive a hundred times as much now in the present age, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and farms, along with persecutions;

So what does that mean? Jesus implied that if that man had given all he had, he would have received times hundred of those things he gave. Why? because his loyalty of heartfelt devotion to the Lord would have been proven and then God can trust him with riches because they wouldn't be his Idols. Which was even far much more extreme than what He had before. And thus the scripture is fulfilled where Jesus says "with God all things are possible".

And notice Jesus said "in this present age" not heaven O or the world to come. And that persecutions will follow. How? both from unbelievers and even ignorant Christians that will say "see how much money he has, see how many houses he has, he is going to hell, God doesn't want us to be rich like that". Well do you know the sacrifices that person had made in times past that you just sit down there and judge?

What of the scriptures:

#2 Cor 8:9 "that though He was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, so that you through His poverty might become rich".

Well, do you know what the orginal greek for rich there was? Rich=plousios: wealthy. And looking at that scripture in context Paul was talking about money and meeting needs.

#Gal 3:13 "He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus,"
well what was Abraham's blessing? Gen 12:2 "And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing;

So how are you suppose to be a blessing when you are walking with the soles of shoe all worn out and you are thinking of how to pay your children's school fees?

How are you supposed to support the missionaries and kingdom financially when you are just barely getting by? So you want to tell me God wants you to barely get by? I thought God was a good God when He himself said "If you that are evil know how to give good gifts to your children...how much more Me"?

2 Cor 9:11 "You will be made rich in every way so that you can be generous in every way. Such generosity produces thanksgiving to God through us."

How can you be generous with poverty or just barely getting by? Rich in every way means rich in every way. No need to twist scriptures.

"3 John 1:2 "Beloved, I pray that in all respects you may prosper and be in good health, just as your soul prospers.

So supposing you start a business and you get a contract for a million dollars, what will you do? you will turn it down and say no, God doesn't want me to be that prosperous.

Please if you are barely getting by how will you preach to folks in a place like Beverly Hills that drive golden sport cars and live in glass mansions (Rodeo drive precisely) when they think they have all they need? Please supposing you were an unbeliever and all these dudes come that use to ring bell in the morning and push their wheelbarrow looking thing, come to you and says accept Christ, how will that be attractive to you? won't you look down on the person.

I can even throw the question to the atheists and unbelievers, Please who will you prefer to come preach to you, someone that comes trekking or someone that comes up in a Lamborghini? (Note: It doesn't have to be a Lambo I am just making a point).

If God doesn't want us to be rich, why will he even tell some people to go buy a land and later oil was discovered in that land.E.g Kenneth Copeland.

I could have given more scriptures and examples. But for the lazy readers I shortened it. If by now you are still blind then sorry. If you like keep listening to men's opinions.

For those that will contradict, bring scriptures and not your opinion or what one man said somewhere.

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Acts3:6 But Peter said: Silver and gold I have none; but what I have, I give thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, arise, and walk.

Keep deceiving yourself with your strange man-made prosperity gospel!

italo:
Acts3:6 But Peter said: Silver and gold I have none; but what I have, I give thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, arise, and walk.

Keep deceiving yourself with your strange man-made prosperity gospel!

Na wa o.

You just quoted a one time event. What if he had left the money at home as he was going to the temple?

Peter had a wife and kids, so how was he taking care of them if he didn't have a single dime?

Apostle Paul too was not that wealthy, but yet he said "poor, yet making many rich; having nothing, and yet possessing everything."

I mean this guys were constantly spending most of their time in jail. How were they supposed to be interested in having wealth. Even though they had their needs provided for.

But yet they made many rich.

1 Cor 4 "Already you have all you want! Already you have become rich! You have begun to reign—and that without us! How I wish that you really had begun to reign so that we also might reign with you! For it seems to me that God has put us apostles on display at the end of the procession, like those condemned to die in the arena."

Mr man, you are not an apostle. you had better not let man made doctrines rob you of God's blessings.

italo:
Acts3:6 But Peter said: Silver and gold I have none; but what I have, I give thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, arise, and walk.

Keep deceiving yourself with your strange man-made prosperity gospel!

More:

'For it seems to me that God has put us apostles on display at the end of the procession, like those condemned to die in the arena. We have been made a spectacle to the whole universe, to angels as well as to human beings. We are fools for Christ, but you are so wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are honored, we are dishonored! To this very hour we go hungry and thirsty, we are in rags, we are brutally treated, we are homeless. We work hard with our own hands. When we are cursed, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure it; when we are slandered, we answer kindly. We have become the scum of the earth, the garbage of the world—right up to this moment.'

You see the apostle even says, "to this very hour we go hungry and thirst". What does that mean?

If you understand the English language, then you will know he acted surprised by the fact.

Again I say, you are not an apostle. Don't let man made doctrines rob you.

Jeromejnr:


Na wa o.

You just quoted a one time event. What if he had left the money at home as he was going to the temple?

Peter had a wife and kids, so how was he taking care of them if he didn't have a single dime?

Apostle Paul too was not that wealthy, but yet he said "poor, yet making many rich; having nothing, and yet possessing everything."

I mean this guys were constantly spending most of their time in jail. How were they supposed to be interested in having wealth. Even though they had their needs provided for.

But yet they made many rich.

1 Cor 4 "Already you have all you want! Already you have become rich! You have begun to reign—and that without us! How I wish that you really had begun to reign so that we also might reign with you! For it seems to me that God has put us apostles on display at the end of the procession, like those condemned to die in the arena."

Mr man, you are not an apostle. you had better not let man made doctrines rob you of God's blessings.

Jeromejnr:



More:
'For it seems to me that God has put us apostles on display at the end of the procession, like those condemned to die in the arena. We have been made a spectacle to the whole universe, to angels as well as to human beings. We are fools for Christ, but you are so wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are honored, we are dishonored! To this very hour we go hungry and thirsty, we are in rags, we are brutally treated, we are homeless. We work hard with our own hands. When we are cursed, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure it; when we are slandered, we answer kindly. We have become the scum of the earth, the garbage of the world—right up to this moment.'
You see the apostle even says, "to this very hour we go hungry and thirst". What does that mean?
If you understand the English language, then you will know he acted surprised by the fact.
Again I say, you are not an apostle. Don't let man made doctrines rob you.

Truth goes straightforward; lies go roundabout.

See how many words it is taking you to twist the gospel?

"Silver and gold, I have none!"--St. Peter.

'Silver and gold, St. Peter had at home'--Jeromejnr.

italo:



Truth goes straightforward; lies go roundabout.

See how many words it is taking you to twist the gospel?

"Silver and gold, I have none!"--St. Peter.

'Silver and gold, St. Peter had at home'--Jeromejnr.

Why take one scripture and leave out the rest Mr. Man.

Why don't you explain the rest.

Don't dodge the multitude of scriptures.

Jeromejnr:


Why take one scripture and leave out the rest Mr. Man.

Why don't you explain the rest.

Don't dodge the multitude of scriptures.

This one scripture is true...

But you want to make it a lie.

No amount of other verses can make this one verse a lie.

Peter had no silver or gold!

italo:


This one scripture is true...

But you want to make it a lie.

No amount of other verses can make this one verse a lie.

Peter had no silver or gold!

Chai! your case is strong.

I wonder how Peter must have paid his taxes at that time.

Jeromejnr:


Chai! your case is strong.

I wonder how Peter must have paid his taxes at that time.

Maybe the same way poor people pay their taxes today.

The same way the other poor Christians like St. Paul paid his taxes...

...while he said: To this very hour we go hungry and thirsty, we are in rags, we are brutally treated, we are homeless.

The same way Joseph and Mary paid their taxes while they were unable to afford a lamb to offer for Jesus' circumcision.

italo:


Maybe the same way poor people pay their taxes today.

The same way the other poor Christians like St. Paul paid his taxes...

...while he said: To this very hour we go hungry and thirsty, we are in rags, we are brutally treated, we are homeless.

The same way Joseph and Mary paid their taxes while they were unable to afford a lamb to offer for Jesus' circumcision.

Then pray for God to baptise you with more poverty.

Jeromejnr:


Then pray for God to baptise you with more poverty.

Wait, aren't you both talking to the EXACT same God? Does he have different versions of himself that he'll show to you and show to another person?

italo:


Maybe the same way poor people pay their taxes today.

The same way the other poor Christians like St. Paul paid his taxes...

...while he said: To this very hour we go hungry and thirsty, we are in rags, we are brutally treated, we are homeless.

The same way Joseph and Mary paid their taxes while they were unable to afford a lamb to offer for Jesus' circumcision.

BTW, FYI, History says Jesus wore a very expensive robe that was worn only by rich masters.

That was one the the reasons why the soldiers gambled for His garments.

And also the gold, frankincense and Mryrrh given to Jesus at His birth. Do a research and see how much that costs in millions of dollars today.

Weah96:


Wait, aren't you both talking to the EXACT same God? Does he have different versions of himself that he'll show to you and show to another person?

What that man has is man’s religious version of God. His is not based on the scriptures.

Jeromejnr:


What that man has is man’s religious version of God. His is not based on the scriptures.

That's not what I asked though. Is he talking to a DIFFERENT God than the your own? You do realize that he offers prayers and receives instructions too, right?

Weah96:


That's not what I asked though. Is he talking to a DIFFERENT God than the your own? You do realize that he offers prayers and receives instructions too, right?

And how do we know that? Did he tell you he receives instructions from God?

There are many who pose themselves as Christians but are not. (Not talking about him though).

Even the apostles recognised that fact.

Jeromejnr:


And how do we know that? Did he tell you he receives instructions from God?

There are many who pose themselves as Christians but are not. (Not talking about him though).

Even the apostles recognised that fact.

Well, the bible anticipated this argument and that's why it provides what I call PROOF OF BELIEF.

Instead of you telling him what you think and vice versa, read Mark 16:15-18.

Weah96:


Well, the bible anticipated this argument and that's why it provides what I call PROOF OF BELIEF.

Instead of you telling him what you think and vice versa, read Mark 16:15-18.

I get what you mean.

All I did was provide scriptures. If anyone wants to contradict, they shouldn't bring up their own opinions but the scriptures.

And you can't just sit down and watch people contradicting the word you preach which will eventually affect weak ones. Remember Paul placed a curse on elymas who tried to contradict him as he was preaching to the council.

Jeromejnr:


Chai! your case is strong.

I wonder how Peter must have paid his taxes at that time.

Hahahaha

I can't stop laughing. The guy case strong gan.

That Peter said, "Silver and gold, I have none" has been taken to mean Christians are called to live a life of poverty. Chai, my people perish for lack of knowledge.

Little wonder they attack and villify Christians who truly exercise their rights in Christ, especially the right of financial wealth through faith.

Christians who really know who they are in Christ, what Christ accomplished for them on the cross should always say to themselves, "I can never be poor. It is impossible for me to be poor." This should be their daily slogan while they work towards it in faith.

Before God created Adam and Eve, He had already placed everything they needed in the garden of Eden. It was a paradise such that all the wealth of today cannot compare. He created Adam and Eve to enjoy the work of His hands. They did not struggle to get anything because God did not create them to toil and suffer. Life was easy.

However, Adam sinned, lost the comfort of paradise, and began to toil just to eat. That is, his first struggle to survive began after the Fall: the struggle to eat, to keep warm, to clothe himself and his family, to please his wife Eve...etc.

Man struggling to survive was not God's original plan. His plan was and is for man to enjoy the wealth He has created for them. He doesn't want Man to struggle to get wealth.

God already knew Adam would fall, and He already had the solution to restore Man to his original position he lost in the paradise which is by sending Jesus Christ to the world when the time was ripe.

God did not send Jesus Christ immediately after the Fall because God works according to precision of timing which is called 'The Fullness of Time' or the appointed time.

So Jesus came and died at the appointed time or according to God's timing in His calendar of future events. What Jesus did is that He took the place of fallen Man, became poverty, and became sin and died so that Man would take His place and become rich and righteous and live for Him. It was a transaction of some sort where He purchased Man with His blood but suffered the consequences of the transaction so that Man would once again live without struggle, without stress, blameless.

Therefore, by His death, we are rich, we are righteous. We are free from the curse of poverty and sin by the shed blood of our Elder Brother, the First born of God, Jesus Christ.

So, you can imagine my surprise to hear someone say we are meant to be poor because Peter said he did not have gold and silver to give a lame man. Shows that many profess to be Christians but are really unbelievers as far as God's promises are concerned which is why they never rise up and do exploits for God all their lives till they leave the earth. These are the kind of Christians who the devil is not bothered about since they both are on the same page.

Of such, I won't even argue with. If they believe the death of Christ calls them to a life of poverty, let them live a poverty stricken life. It is their cup of tea, not mine. All I know is just as it is impossible for death to hold God even when He came in the flesh, so it is impossible for me to be poor because Christ died for me, therefore I am rich.

CaptainJune:


Hahahaha

I can't stop laughing. The guy case strong gan.

That Peter said, "Silver and gold, I have none" has been taken to mean Christians are called to live a life of poverty. Chai, my people perish for lack of knowledge.

Little wonder they attack and villify Christians who truly exercise their rights in Christ, especially the right of financial wealth through faith.

Christians who really know who they are in Christ, what Christ accomplished for them on the cross should always say to themselves, "I can never be poor. It is impossible for me to be poor." This should be their daily slogan while they work towards it in faith.

Before God created Adam and Eve, He had already placed everything they needed in the garden of Eden. It was a paradise such that all the wealth of today cannot compare. He created Adam and Eve to enjoy the work of His hands. They did not struggle to get anything because God did not create them to toil and suffer. Life was easy.

However, Adam sinned, lost the comfort of paradise, and began to toil just to eat. That is, his first struggle to survive began after the Fall: the struggle to eat, to keep warm, to clothe himself and his family, to please his wife Eve...etc.

Man struggling to survive was not God's original plan. His plan was and is for man to enjoy the wealth He has created for them. He doesn't want Man to struggle to get wealth.

God already knew Adam would fall, and He already had the solution to restore Man to his original position he lost in the paradise which is by sending Jesus Christ to the world when the time was ripe.

God did not send Jesus Christ immediately after the Fall because God works according to precision of timing which is called 'The Fullness of Time' or the appointed time.

So Jesus came and died at the appointed time or according to God's timing in His calendar of future events. What Jesus did is that He took the place of fallen Man, became poverty, and became sin and died so that Man would take His place and become rich and righteous and live for Him. It was a transaction of some sort where He purchased Man with His blood but suffered the consequences of the transaction so that Man would once again live without struggle, without stress, blameless.

Therefore, by His death, we are rich, we are righteous. We are free from the curse of poverty and sin by the shed blood of our Elder Brother, the First born of God, Jesus Christ.

So, you can imagine my surprise to hear someone say we are meant to be poor because Peter said he did not have gold and silver to give a lame man. Shows that many profess to be Christians but are really unbelievers as far as God's promises are concerned which is why they never rise up and do exploits for God all their lives till they leave the earth. These are the kind of Christians who the devil is not bothered about since they both are on the same page.

Of such, I won't even argue with. If they believe the death of Christ calls them to a life of poverty, let them live a poverty stricken life. It is their cup of tea, not mine. All I know is just as it is impossible for death to hold God even when He came in the flesh, so it is impossible for me to be poor because Christ died for me, therefore I am rich.

Preach on broda!

If they like, let them keep deceiving themselves with man made doctrines.

They have chosen to live below their privileges in Christ.

Jeromejnr:


Preach on broda!

If they like, let them keep deceiving themselves with man made doctrines.

They have chosen to live below their privileges in Christ.

Lol. So unfortunate for those who don't know their rights in Christ. It is a tragedy I tell you because they will put up with the things they are never meant to tolerate as kings on earth, as joint heirs with Christ, the children of the Great King.

Can you imagine a very wealthy king who has inherited lands, gold, houses, abundant property, servants, vast army, etc leaving his palace daily to stand in line with peasants for a piece of crusty bread and watery tea? Sometimes, it may be he is ignorant of his royalty, his dignified position above others. Either way, it is extremely pitiable. Unfortunately, that is what many Christians do today. They are extremely rich but prefer to live like church rats. After all, that is what their leaders teach them. What a shame.

Jeromejnr:


BTW, FYI, History says Jesus wore a very expensive robe that was worn only by rich masters.

That was one the the reasons why the soldiers gambled for His garments.

And also the gold, frankincense and Mryrrh given to Jesus at His birth. Do a research and see how much that costs in millions of dollars today.

It is up to you to show where the Bible says Jesus' robe was a very expensive robe worn only by rich masters...

...and where the Bible says the value of the Gold, Frankincense and Myrrh.

What the Bible said was:

Matt8:20 "And Jesus saith to him: The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air nests: but the son of man hath not where to lay his head"

1Cor4:11 "To this very hour we go hungry and thirsty, we are in rags, we are brutally treated, we are homeless."

Acts3:6 "Silver and Gold, I have none."

Stop lying to preach your false man-made doctrine.

Those men were not wealthy.

Jeromejnr:


Preach on broda!

If they like, let them keep deceiving themselves with man made doctrines.

They have chosen to live below their privileges in Christ.

Trying to change the issue.

I haven't preached any doctrine yet.

Did homeless and starving St. Paul...and penniless St Peter also live below their privileges in Christ?

Jeromejnr:


I get what you mean.

All I did was provide scriptures. If anyone wants to contradict, they shouldn't bring up their own opinions but the scriptures.

And you can't just sit down and watch people contradicting the word you preach which will eventually affect weak ones. Remember Paul placed a curse on elymas who tried to contradict him as he was preaching to the council.

I see.

So Matt8:20, Acts3:6 and 1Cor4:11 are not scripture?

Jeromejnr:


What that man has is man’s religious version of God. His is not based on the scriptures.

But even the Bible is a product of my religion - Catholicism...

It was compiled and canonized in 382 under Pope Damasus in the Synod of Rome.



So your version of God is the version of RELIGIOUS scripture.

italo:


Trying to change the issue.

I haven't preached any doctrine yet.

Did homeless and starving St. Paul...and penniless St Peter also live below their privileges in Christ?

Acts 28:30 :"And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,"

So were you the one that gave him his house here Wow! he must have been too poor that the community pitied him and dashed him one.

Mt 8:14 "When Jesus came into Peter's home, He saw his mother-in-law lying sick in bed with a fever. 15He touched her hand, and the fever left her; and she got up and waited on Him.…"

Peter was penniless according to you, but he had a house and wife and children. I wonder how it must have been for him thinking of how to provide for his family and also going around preaching the Word. I wonder.

How can Peter and Paul have lived below their priviledges when just a shadow will heal multitudes and Paul will be bitten by a snake but was not moved and as a result was called a god by natives?

Jesus was poor but yet He had a money purse that he had to have a secretary (Judas) to help him handle the finances. An Judas saw so much money in there that he knew as he stole from it no one would have noticed? Or Jesus had so much money that at one point in time during the last supper when Jesus said Judas should leave, others taught it was for him to go and give to the poor? Why will they have even thought of that if Jesus never gave to the poor?

You said Jesus said "..Son of man has nowhere to lay His head"

Mark 2: "When Jesus returned to Capernaum several days later, the news spread quickly that he was back home. 2Soon the house where he was staying was so packed with visitors that there was no more room, even outside the door."

So according to you, I wonder how Jesus must have taken care of Mary His mother. If he never had a place to stay, then this house in this scripture, was it in a bush?

Please, Jesus was busy travelling all the time, is that not why he made that statement you quoted.

The amazing thing is look at all this, Jesus never for once lacked and God said He was poor (So that through His poverty you be made rich).

And I am sure right now with this your thinking you must be seriously lacking. Can't you see how far below your privileges in Christ you are.

Imagine, to God not lacking and just having your needs met is poor but having an abundance is wealth/riches. John 10:10. "I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."

italo:


But even the Bible is a product of my religion - Catholicism...

It was compiled and canonized in 382 under Pope Damasus in the Synod of Rome.



So your version of God is the version of RELIGIOUS scripture.

Like I said before, that God used Judas to cast out demons and heal the sick, didn't mean later he didnt fall away.

BTW, the bible comes from the dead sea scrolls or the Jewish Talmud.

So we have the Dead sea scrolls, the Talmud and the Apochrypha.

In all those documents, where was it written we can pray to Mary? But someone somewhere woke up one morning and said 'Lets pray to Mary to help us talk to Jesus so he can persuade God for us". And you sef follow with no scriptural backing.

This is Day 7 (since saturday)

And no one has given me any scriptural backing till date. .

In fact, was it not you or someone that said, it is not in the bible and you don't only believe in the bible but also in the word of mouth of what someone up there says?

SMH.

Jeromejnr:


Acts 28:30 :"And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,"

So were you the one that gave him his house here Wow! he must have been too poor that the community pitied him and dashed him one.

Mt 8:14 "When Jesus came into Peter's home, He saw his mother-in-law lying sick in bed with a fever. 15He touched her hand, and the fever left her; and she got up and waited on Him.…"

Peter was penniless according to you, but he had a house and wife and children. I wonder how it must have been for him thinking of how to provide for his family and also going around preaching the Word. I wonder.

How can Peter and Paul have lived below their priviledges when just a shadow will heal multitudes and Paul will be bitten by a snake but was not moved and as a result was called a god by natives?

Jesus was poor but yet He had a money purse that he had to have a secretary (Judas) to help him handle the finances. An Judas saw so much money in there that he knew as he stole from it no one would have noticed? Or Jesus had so much money that at one point in time during the last supper when Jesus said Judas should leave, others taught it was for him to go and give to the poor? Why will they have even thought of that if Jesus never gave to the poor?

You said Jesus said "..Son of man has nowhere to lay His head"

Mark 2: "When Jesus returned to Capernaum several days later, the news spread quickly that he was back home. 2Soon the house where he was staying was so packed with visitors that there was no more room, even outside the door."

So according to you, I wonder how Jesus must have taken care of Mary His mother. If he never had a place to stay, then this house in this scripture, was it in a bush?

Please, Jesus was busy travelling all the time, is that not why he made that statement you quoted.

The amazing thing is look at all this, Jesus never for once lacked and God said He was poor (So that through His poverty you be made rich).

And I am sure right now with this your thinking you must be seriously lacking. Can't you see how far below your privileges in Christ you are.

Imagine, to God not lacking and just having your needs met is poor but having an abundance is wealth/riches. John 10:10. "I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."

Before I read too far, stop lying that it was me who said Peter was penniless and Paul (and other apostles were homeless and starving).

It was Peter and Paul that said so themselves in Acts3:16 and 1Cor4:11.

Unfortunately, you don't consider those verses as scripture.

italo:


Before I read too far, stop lying that it was me who said Peter was penniless and Paul (and other apostles were homeless and starving).

It was Peter and Paul that said so themselves in Acts3:16 and 1Cor4:11.

Unfortunately, you don't consider those verses as scripture.

I join you in prayers for yourself that God will make you penniless, homeless and always starving. And that He will baptize you more with lack and Poverty till the day you die.

Say a big AMEN!

Jeromejnr:


Like I said before, that God used Judas to cast out demons and heal the sick, didn't mean later he didnt fall away.

BTW, the bible comes from the dead sea scrolls or the Jewish Talmud.

So we have the Dead sea scrolls, the Talmud and the Apochrypha.

In all those documents, where was it written we can pray to Mary? But someone somewhere woke up one morning and said 'Lets pray to Mary to help us talk to Jesus so he can persuade God for us". And you sef follow with no scriptural backing.

This is Day 7 (since saturday)

And no one has given me any scriptural backing till date. .

In fact, was it not you or someone that said, it is not in the bible and you don't only believe in the bible but also in the word of mouth of what someone up there says?

SMH.

The dead sea scrolls contain books like Jubilee, Enoch, Tobit etc

The Apocrypha contain books like Macabees, Sirach, Etc

Are these books in your Bible? If not, why not?

The Talmud which is heretical contains the followibg:

Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate.

Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman or a slave.

Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the best of the gentiles should all be killed".

Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.

Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement."

Are these in your Bible? If not, why not?

None of the aforementioned contain the New Testament books. So are the New Testament books also excluded from your Bible? If not, why not?