Is it possible to prove God's existence without a spiritual book? Man has done this for over 5,000 years. I postulate that one can prove God without any spiritual book or evidence other than mankind itself. God can be proven using our logic and reasoning. Good day, Brother Bob

brotherbob:
Is it possible to prove God's existence without a spiritual book? Man has done this for over 5,000 years. I postulate that one can prove God without any spiritual book or evidence other than mankind itself. God can be proven using our logic and reasoning. Good day, Brother Bob

I think you should read about the works of the rationalist philosophers, like Rene Descartes and Leibniz

brotherbob:
Is it possible to prove God's existence without a spiritual book? Man has done this for over 5,000 years. I postulate that one can prove God without any spiritual book or evidence other than mankind itself. God can be proven using our logic and reasoning. Good day, Brother Bob

Well well

whugo:

Well well

This God business. Depending on who you decide to call God, you may not need to prove anything. That's because no one will argue with you.
Can a Muslim prove Allah on a piece of paper?

No there is a porous argument laid out for God. Buddhism says there is no God but when you die you become one. this is very illogical and unfounded to be logically sound reasoning. I claim there must be a means to articulate and prove God's existence based on words and not some text. Not that a spiritual text must obtain a certain level of proficiency to claim it was information from God and not man. Under your premise of thinking you would say that it is impossible to do in a logical manner. I politely disagree with your statement. Good day!

Weah96:


This God business. Depending on who you decide to call God, you may not need to prove anything. That's because no one will argue with you.
Can a Muslim prove Allah on a piece of paper?

Why would I need their works. that is defeating the purpose of proving God without a text. It is just another form of text. Can't man figure this out on his own. I say unequivocally and resoundingly with a big YES! Good day!

eghuan1:



I think you should read about the works of the rationalist philosophers, like Rene Descartes and Leibniz

brotherbob:
Why would I need their works. that is defeating the purpose of proving God without a text. It is just another form of text. Can't man figure this out on his own. I say unequivocally and resoundingly with a big YES! Good day!

Lol, whenever you type that word "God," people don't automatically conjure up your own idea of the word. God is a placeholder that invokes different ideologies. Precision is very important in both language and logic.

brotherbob:
Why would I need their works. that is defeating the purpose of proving God without a text. It is just another form of text. Can't man figure this out on his own. I say unequivocally and resoundingly with a big YES! Good day!

It is common practice to write down what has been reasoned out.

You probably can't come up with a proof that hasn't been written down somewhere before (and its refutation too). I think you should go ahead and read the suggested works. Please add Anselm and Godel to the list.

This is not true and I can give you the proof. Those men you quoted are likely ones that lived long ago. Plus there has been much evidence provided in the last 50 years never uncovered. Good day!

finofaya:


It is common practice to write down what has been reasoned out.

You probably can't come up with a proof that hasn't been written down somewhere before (and its refutation too). I think you should go ahead and read the suggested works. Please add Anselm and Godel to the list.

brotherbob:
This is not true and I can give you the proof. Those men you quoted are likely ones that lived long ago. Plus there has been much evidence provided in the last 50 years never uncovered. Good day!

Go on then. Give it to me in writing.

Well it took a 170 pg book to prove God's existence but let us consider it in incremental stages. Does your heart tell you there is a God or not when you see creation, the universe or read some text that is so profound that you know it is not from man? Just a thought to consider. Another is, if you think there is a God what should He be like? What attributes should he exude? Should he look out for mankind, should he be right or is it ok if He is cruel or mean against feeble mankind? One must ask themselves "Why are God rules that man makes that God must adhere to for qualifying as a God figure?" But let us consider this question "Is it RIGHT for someone to lie, steal or murder?"

finofaya:


Go on then. Give it to me in writing.

Well it took a 170 pg book to prove God's existence but let us consider it in incremental stages. Does your heart tell you there is a God or not when you see creation, the universe or read some text that is so profound that you know it is not from man? Just a thought to consider. Another is, if you think there is a God what should He be like? What attributes should he exude? Should he look out for mankind, should he be right or is it ok if He is cruel or mean against feeble mankind? One must ask themselves "Why are God rules that man makes that God must adhere to for qualifying as a God figure?" But let us consider this question "Is it RIGHT for someone to lie, steal or murder?" Is NO than we must answer why all people think this is the case?

finofaya:


Go on then. Give it to me in writing.

But you didn't answer my question "Is it right to lie, steal or murder?" Why are these things wrong? You have to answer why this is the case with mankind?

brotherbob:
Well it took a 170 pg book to prove God's existence but let us consider it in incremental stages. Does your heart tell you there is a God or not when you see creation, the universe or read some text that is so profound that you know it is not from man? Just a thought to consider. Another is, if you think there is a God what should He be like? What attributes should he exude? Should he look out for mankind, should he be right or is it ok if He is cruel or mean against feeble mankind? One must ask themselves "Why are God rules that man makes that God must adhere to for qualifying as a God figure?" But let us consider this question "Is it RIGHT for someone to lie, steal or murder?" Is NO than we must answer why all people think this is the case?

brotherbob:
Well it took a 170 pg book to prove God's existence but let us consider it in incremental stages. Does your heart tell you there is a God or not when you see creation, the universe or read some text that is so profound that you know it is not from man? Just a thought to consider. Another is, if you think there is a God what should He be like? What attributes should he exude? Should he look out for mankind, should he be right or is it ok if He is cruel or mean against feeble mankind? One must ask themselves "Why are God rules that man makes that God must adhere to for qualifying as a God figure?" But let us consider this question "Is it RIGHT for someone to lie, steal or murder?"

So your proof is already contained in a 170 page book...

My heart does not tell me that there is a God.

If I think there is a God I wouldn't need your proof.

The wrongness of lying, stealing and murder depend on the context. In certain contexts they are wrong, and in others right.

brotherbob:
Why would I need their works. that is defeating the purpose of proving God without a text. It is just another form of text. Can't man figure this out on his own. I say unequivocally and resoundingly with a big YES! Good day!

hope you realise that, whether you can prove the existence or non-existence of God, one thing still remain, and that is that God is. For one to prove the non-existence of a thing, is to contradict himself at first. Because one cannot claim the non-existence of something without a certain form of knowledge about that thing. How can you have knowledge of something if it does not already exist if not in physical form or in your mind. (read the works of Bishop Berkeley)

What context is it right to lie, steal or murder? If I met you and didn't like you it would be right to do these things to you? To answer this question rightly, since you couldn't. Is it ok to do these things to you? You wouldn't mind at all? You got to be honest man.

finofaya:


So your proof is already contained in a 170 page book...

My heart does not tell me that there is a God.

If I think there is a God I wouldn't need your proof.

The wrongness of lying, stealing and murder depend on the context. In certain contexts they are wrong, and in others right.

brotherbob:
What context is it right to lie, steal or murder? If I met you and didn't like you it would be right to do these things to you? To answer this question rightly, since you couldn't. Is it ok to do these things to you? You wouldn't mind at all? You got to be honest man.

Lying is sometimes the appropriate thing to do. A person might not be prepared for an ugly truth, such as news of the passing of a loved one. In this case you might lie to protect them. It is also very common to lie to children about where babies come from, amongst many other lies. I don't think lying in these instances is wrong.

Killing is permitted in self defence, in defence of the state or society (by means of war or judicial execution), to save the life of a pregnant mother, etc. Are such killings wrong?

People who steal out of extreme privation are not usually condemned for stealing. Also, I can hardly see how you would consider it wrong if someone took away (stole) a weapon which would otherwise have been used for your injury.

Your questions missed the point.

Man I don't know what world you live in. Are those lies or are you trying to save the other person from being hurt? What is the motive? You mean because you don't tell small unknowing children, who don't have the cognitive processes, to fully understand what you tell them it is a lie. So you don't mind me lying to you because the concepts are over your head?

MURDER is not self defense. In our country and most of the world murder is taking someone's life because you choose to, based on your own selfish desire.

Man we put people in prison that steal no matter their financial status. Do bank robbers go free is they are destitute? Even people who steal food know that it is not right to do so, but must to survive. I didn't ask if it was maybe appropriate or understood. I specifically asked if it was RIGHT. You did not listen at all.

So I guess I could do any of these three matters to you and it would be fine! If you don't want to be serious please don't waste my time. Good day!

finofaya:


Lying is sometimes the appropriate thing to do. A person might not be prepared for an ugly truth, such as news of the passing of a loved one. In this case you might lie to protect them. It is also very common to lie to children about where babies come from, amongst many other lies. I don't think lying in these instances is wrong.

Killing is permitted in self defence, in defence of the state or society (by means of war or judicial execution), to save the life of a pregnant mother, etc. Are such killings wrong?

People who steal out of extreme privation are not usually condemned for stealing. Also, I can hardly see how you would consider it wrong if someone took away (stole) a weapon which would otherwise have been used for your injury.

Your questions missed the point.

brotherbob:
Man I don't know what world you live in. Are those lies or are you trying to save the other person from being hurt? What is the motive? You mean because you don't tell small unknowing children, who don't have the cognitive processes, to fully understand what you tell them it is a lie. So you don't mind me lying to you because the concepts are over your head?

MURDER is not self defense. In our country and most of the world murder is taking someone's life because you choose to, based on your own selfish desire.

Man we put people in prison that steal no matter their financial status. Do bank robbers go free is they are destitute? Even people who steal food know that it is not right to do so, but must to survive. I didn't ask if it was maybe appropriate or understood. I specifically asked if it was RIGHT. You did not listen at all.

So I guess I could do any of these three matters to you and it would be fine! If you don't want to be serious please don't waste my time. Good day!

Chief, you asked a question which I have answered. I was expecting your follow up question, not this tantrum at my answer. Where is your proof anyway? I hope it is not dependent on my worldview.

I don't think you have the cognitive processes needed to fully comprehend a proper debate by you previous answer. When you want to get serious and truthful look me up. Good day man

finofaya:


Chief, you asked a question which I have answered. I was expecting your follow up question, not this tantrum at my answer. Where is your proof anyway? I hope it is not dependent on my worldview.

brotherbob:

I don't think you have the cognitive processes needed to fully comprehend a proper debate by you previous answer. When you want to get serious and truthful look me up. Good day man

So let's not debate then. Just show me the proof.

You can't prove God with your peanut brain nor with any book, because he is not man but spirit, but we know and believe that he existed, still existing and will continue to exist by faith. The bible is there to guide those that believe in him in this fallen world.

bxcode:
You can't prove God with your peanut brain nor with any book, because he is not man but spirit, but we know and believe that he existed, still existing and will continue to exist by faith. The bible is there to guide those that believe in him in this fallen world.

How about the muslims guide..... The quran

How about the ifa worshippers....the buddists and every other religious beliefs who share your concept of God


What will happen to those who believe in ''God'' like you but use a different man made theory

Are they all gonna rot in hell

Humblebloke:



How about the muslims guide..... The quran

How about the ifa worshippers....the buddists and every other religious beliefs who share your concept of God


What will happen to those who believe in ''God'' like you but use a different man made theory

Are they all gonna rot in hell

I am not in a position to judge anyone sir, that's left for God to do. But make no mistake about it, there are many gods no doubt but there is only one true and living God and no man knoweth him except through his son Jesus.
HNM

bxcode:

I am not in a position to judge anyone sir, that's left for God to do. But make no mistake about it, there are many gods no doubt but there is only one true and living God and no man knoweth him except through his son Jesus.
HNM

This is pure arrogance being disguised as humility. So you are serving the one true God eh? Meanwhile Muslims have a creed which says that Allah, not Jesus,
is the one true God and Mohammed was his prophet. The two of you cannot simultaneously be correct. If you claim that your God is the one true God, then you can't just use your mouth to say it. Or point people in the direction of an old book. Muslims have a book from another true God who is not your own. They can also use their mouth to tell you that Allah is the almighty. What do you bring other than your mouth and a book?

Weah96:


This is pure arrogance being disguised as humility. So you are serving the one true God eh? Meanwhile Muslims have a creed which says that Allah, not Jesus,
is the one true God and Mohammed was his prophet. The two of you cannot simultaneously be correct. If you claim that your God is the one true God, then you can't just use your mouth to say it. Or point people in the direction of an old book. Muslims have a book from another true God who is not your own. They can also use their mouth to tell you that Allah is the almighty. What do you bring other than your mouth and a book?

Check my penultimate post and see where I clearly stated that am not in any position to judge no man based on what he or she believe in, that Will be when you talk of arrogance from my own part. But to anyone that will give me audience I will gladly tell the person about Jesus just as they are free to share their beliefs with me, I have atheists as friends if you care to know and I don't condemn them for a sec I only pray for them. And sir, when I talk Jesus am not actually communicating sense or just a book rather am communicating spirit, which most people will of course not understand. I have various instances that have made me truly feel that my Jesus is alive and is living among us today tho we may not see him with our mere eyes, we know so by faith.
For the records too, Christianity is the only way of life (not religion) that profess a living God who died and resurrected again, all other religion dosent believe in such as they can point to where the god they believe in died and the remains still in tact.
HNM sir.

bxcode:


For the records too, Christianity is the only way of life (not religion) that profess a living God who died and resurrected again, all other religion dosent believe in such as they can point to where the god they believe in died and the remains still in tact.
HNM sir.

Brother, you're missing the point. OK, the story book character you call God died and came back. So what? Muslims have a higher opinion of their own God and according to them, Allah cannot die. Not even for 2 seconds.

From the perspective of a neutral party, on paper, the Muslim God resembles a hypothetical almighty God more than your own. Your God was murdered, although you find it more impressive that he came back in spirit form for some reason. This is not a version of America's Got Talent where people catch bullets with their tongue or get their heads chopped off.

Good luck though. Just remember that while pointing a finger at someone, there are always four fingers pointed at yourself.

Weah96:


Brother, you're missing the point. OK, the story book character you call God died and came back. So what? Muslims have a higher opinion of their own God and according to them, Allah cannot die. Not even for 2 seconds.

From the perspective of a neutral party, on paper, the Muslim God resembles a hypothetical almighty God more than your own. Your God was murdered, although you find it more impressive that he came back in spirit form for some reason. This is not a version of America's Got Talent where people catch bullets with their tongue or get their heads chopped off.

Good luck though. Just remember that while pointing a finger at someone, there are always four fingers pointed at yourself.

Do what you believe sir, I will also do what I believe, soon we shall all move to the great beyond and find out which is real.

bxcode:

Do what you believe sir, I will also do what I believe, soon we shall all move to the great beyond and find out which is real.

True, the possibilities are endless. Maybe scientology is the real one.

How can you state that it is impossible to prove God? It is impossible to prove pluto, nuclear fission, gravity or about anything. With enough credible evidence anything can be proven. God has left more than enough evidence of his existence. Still Good day!

bxcode:
You can't prove God with your peanut brain nor with any book, because he is not man but spirit, but we know and believe that he existed, still existing and will continue to exist by faith. The bible is there to guide those that believe in him in this fallen world.

Is God claimed rightfully God just because He has never died? Shoot if that is all the proof one needs than start spreading the word. But that is not a logical point with credible evidence. You are basing it off of a text that claims such things about Allah? Is the text deemed credible itself. Just a hint about spiritual text - Is there any spiritual text that claims another spiritual systems book is of God That will give you something to think about. Good day.

bxcode:

Do what you believe sir, I will also do what I believe, soon we shall all move to the great beyond and find out which is real.

brotherbob:
How can you state that it is impossible to prove God? It is impossible to prove pluto, nuclear fission, gravity or about anything. With enough credible evidence anything can be proven. God has left more than enough evidence of his existence. Still Good day!

Are you a troll, or a serious person? We must first establish what God is/means. Oh I see, you must be here to impress the ladies.