Hullo, Why do you search the Bible scriptures for some truth when you Muslims declare the Bible as been tampered and changed You Muslims even claim the Bible is not the truth, but here you are using the Bible to declare it talks about Islam. Well if its a lie and changed doctrine, start seeking other ways to prove yourself.

Go back to the Torah of the Jews. Nothing claims Ishmael as the promised seed. He is a slave woman, Hagar's son borne to Abraham when Sarah was childless. God promised Abraham that Sarah will bear a son and that to Isaac, his offspring is the promised seed. That seed refers to Jesus lineage. And if u check Mary's ancestors, they came from David's line. Even Joseph came from David's line. What God said about Mary was that she will be with child through the Holy Spirit, not through God's seed. It is blasphemy to even say such a thing! God is not borne by anyone! No christians claim that and neither does Christians claim that Mary was God's wife! So get your facts right.

Isaiah spoke about the Messiah, the same Messiah the Jews are waiting till today. The muslims call Jesus Isa Al Masihi! Go back to your history and find in your very QURAN it claims Jesus as the Masihi (Messiah) and they even call Jesus Ruh Allah! Read this and tell me about it - "the Qur'an calls him the Messiah (Al Masih), the Word of God (Kalimat Allah) and the Spirit [Soul] of God (Ruh Allah). (4:171,172) These supernatural descriptions and titles have caused many Muslims to seek the truth about who Jesus really is."

Another verse - We gave unto Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs [of Allah's sovereignty], and we supported him with the Holy Spirit [ar-Ruh-al Qudus]," (Surah 2, Al-Baqarah, The Cow: 87).
About the proclaimation that Jesus is the Messiah, refer to Surah 3:44 which says - And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah). (45) He will speak unto mankind in his cradle and in his manhood, and he is of the righteous.
Notice in Surah 3:32 Allah proclaims this - Lo! Allah preferred Adam and Noah and the Family of Abraham and the Family of 'Imran above (all His) creatures. Who is Imran? Mary's father right? Christians know him as Joachim, husband of Anne. They are from the lineage of Isaac, not Ishmael.
Well start seeking your own Quran and find those words "We" that Allah says in most of His sentences. e.g.
Surah 2:33-34 :
And when We said unto the angels: Prostrate yourselves before Adam, they fell prostrate, all save Iblis. He demurred through pride, and so became a disbeliever. (34) And We said: O Adam! Dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden, and eat ye freely (of the fruits) thereof where ye will; but come not nigh this tree lest ye become wrong-doers.
Notice the "WE" in this verses?
Surah 2 : 38
But they who disbelieve, and deny Our revelations, such are rightful owners of the Fire.
notice the "Our" in this verse?
Surah 2 : 48
And (remember) when We did deliver you from Pharaoh's folk, who were afflicting you with dreadful torment, slaying your sons and sparing your women: that was a tremendous trial from your Lord.
Notice the "We" again in this verse?
Surah 2 : 50 - 52
And when We did appoint for Moses forty nights (of solitude), and then ye chose the calf, when he had gone from you, and were wrong-doers. (51) Then, even after that, We pardoned you in order that ye might give thanks. (52) And when We gave unto Moses the Scripture and the criterion (of right and wrong), that ye might be led aright.
Notice the "WE" a couple of times here again?
So tell me why did Allah proclaim "We" so many times in just 1 surah that i read? Does this not claim the Trinity? God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit? DOn't be mistaken that the trinity is God, Jesus and Mary! It is God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

I did not read the Quran to seek Christianity and its truth but I seeked to question its own verses as claimed by you Muslims, is the original WORD of God.

Thus, its not like the Christians simply read the Bible without questioning it and asking God. Its time the muslims also read the Quran and question God who is our Loving Father of Nabi Adam's family lineage. In the end we shall meet at judgement day but notice the Quran claiming the reward is with the People of the Book as well ?

Read this - Of the People of the Book [Jews and Christians] are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. (The Noble Quran, 3:113-114)"
"And there are, certainly, among the People of the Book [Jews and Christians], those who believe in God, in the revelation to you, and in the revelation to them, bowing in humility to God: They will not sell the Signs of God for a miserable gain! For them is a reward with their Lord, and God is swift in account. (The Noble Quran, 3:199)"

So shall we debate on it? professionally?

Na wa for these muslims o,first,Deut8:18=mohammad,next mohammad=Holy Spirit/comforter,then mohammadin mentioned in hebrew's bible of song of solomon 5:16,now isiah's prophesy=mohammad. I hope you people wont bring mohammad out of sango and ogun too at this rate

olabowale:

Since you do not believe as the Jews, who use the Torah, why then do you have the Torah in your Holy Book along with the Bible?

olabowale:

Why, knowing fully well that the Jews who use the Torah do not believe your lord/god Jesus is even a Prophet and therefore they are still waiting for the Messiah, do you stubbornly cling to their Torah, when they do not even rekorn with your Bible, the NT?

olabowale:

@Davidylan: And the Qur'an, over 1400 years ago and counting, made a bold claim that the Jews and the Christians are unbelievers/disbelievers. And clearly, that is still the case, today, tomorrow and till the last man on earth dies!

davidylan:

more nonsense. When the bible accuses the Jews of unbelief it gives clear reasons. Such unbelief was even more evident in the gospels, the book of acts and in the ministeries of the apostles.

When the quran makes bogus claims that the jews and christians are unbelievers it gives NO proof at all neither does it attempt to explain what this unbelief is all about.

Look alhaji, the bible does not need to make too much noise calling the muslims unbelievers. It can stand on its own . . . unfortunately the only way islam can claim credibility is by undermining christianity which is why muslims spend 90% of their time struggling to prove the bible is false or trying to insert mohammed into it. Can islam not stand on its own? Why the overwhelming need to prove the christians wrong?

more nonsense. When the bible accuses the Jews of unbelief it gives clear reasons. Such unbelief was even more evident in the gospels, the book of acts and in the ministeries of the apostles.

When the quran makes bogus claims that the jews and christians are unbelievers it gives NO proof at all neither does it attempt to explain what this unbelief is all about.

Look alhaji, the bible does not need to make too much noise calling the muslims unbelievers. It can stand on its own . . . unfortunately the only way islam can claim credibility is by undermining christianity which is why muslims spend 90% of their time struggling to prove the bible is false or trying to insert mohammed into it. Can islam not stand on its own? Why the overwhelming need to prove the christians wrong?

Can there be a counterfeit without an original?

olabowale:

@Davidylan: Yet you did not find it prudent to list any, from the Bible.

olabowale:

The Qur'an says that your Bible is corrupt.

olabowale:

So we see that the handiwork of non Prophets are on it. First, in the NT, we see Acts of Apostles, 'revelation books,' and letters, and the writing and opinions of Saul/Paul.

olabowale:

We also see that in the Old testament based on what Jesus said in the New Testament has been modified from its original to fit the intent of rabbis and scholars and nobilities of the Children of Israel!

olabowale:

A good illustration is the illegality of money changing practice that prompted Jesus, the gentle giant to violently overturn the table of the 'Money Changers,' in the sacred plaza.

olabowale:

No one has to prove Christianity wrong. The evidence is over whelming. Islam is different from both Judaism and Christianity in its book(s) and tenets. Muhammad is in the Bible.

olabowale:

But it used to be very glaring, now you have to read between the lines to find it. Today the truth in the Bible is like the traces of gari remnant, in a bowl full of water. So you can imagine how hard to get any tangible amount of gari in your spoon, from the mixture of gari and the sand settled in the bottom, of a bowl full of water! Yet when the revelation was pure with the prophet who received it, it is like the newly soaked gari bowl. Then as time went on, after the many full spoons of it been consumed, finally what will remain in the bottom of the bowl, is little gari with the grains of sand.

From the same bible you said is corrupt? There is no point casting my pearls before swine . . . interested christians can read Romans 10 and 11.

alhaji we are getting bored of these nonsensical statement without any proof to back it up. Allah claimed to have sent down and confirmed the torah and gospels . . . allah also claims his words can never be corrupted so our bible cannot be the copy he sent down . . . were then is allah's copy?
Produce it first or put up!

since when did muslims start dictating to christians who are biblical prophets and who are not? Besides mohammed . . . where are the other prophets of islam from the ishmealite lineage?

I think it was pilgrim.1 who made a very important point earlier on . . . while the bible reads like a compilation of experiences of REAL people, REAL situations, REAL and LIVING hope of salvation . . . the quran is a monotonous jumble of the incoherent rants of a false god.

you're simply confused. How can you make an inference "based on what Jesus said in the NT"? Were you not the one who earlier told us the bible was corrupt? Produce the gospels and Torah allah sent first!

again you are making categorical statements based on a book you earlier claimed is corrupt. Show us this story in the injils allah sent.
The spirit of the antichrist working in you is reluctant to honestly state that Christ upturned the table of the money changes in the TEMPLE and not the SACRED PLAZA.

The same bible you earlier claimed is corrupt?

stop making noise . . . the issue is not about garri. Bring the copy of the original bible were Muhammad's presence was very glaring.

The rest of your empty drivel is not worthy of my response.

olabowale:

You want to prove the authenticity of the bible, you are using Romans 10 and 11! Whats in it? You could not find anything that Jesus said, directly? Or was Jesus the author of Romans?

olabowale:

Allah never change His Message to Mankind.

olabowale:

This is how it was possible for Saul/Paul for example to eradicate the value of the 10 commandments.

olabowale:

Ismail had greater right to Ibrahiim his father, Isiaq his baby brother, Yakub his nephew!

olabowale:

The money changer place is what I remembered from some documentary. I sincerely do not pay any mind to the Bible.

olabowale:

You did not have any worthy response, so you honorably copped out!

Did you read where i specifically stated "interested christians should read" . . . ? I certainly wasnt addressing those chapters to an unbeliever whose heart is darkened by the spirit of the antichrist. There is no need proving anything to you . . . continue living in darkness.

olabowale:

@Davidylan: Am tired of your lack of good engamements. I think am just going to remain your friend and do not bother to read yor entries, because you will say are: Where are the injiil, or why are all the prophets from the israelites, etc. Its so cliche and very boring, my friend!

olabowale:

@Davidylan: I do not know I spam a dialogue board. But let see, you have an Injiil which you could not use in a critical condition, to defend your religion. You are asking to arm myself with an original Torah, Sabur and Injiil, in order to engage you in dialogue? Why would I need any of the three, when I have the last revelation of Allah the Almighty Creator, in my possession? Qur'an contains the essence of all of the three and then some! You want to dialogue let do it. Stop finding unacceptable excuses. I love you, but am not amused by your lame excuses! I did not see how your simple question is now a request that I go and get an adulterated copy of what your Christian forebearers had poluted and remains so since over 14 Centuries, since the Qur'an was revealed. I do not have a need for 'torah, sabuur and "bible" injiil.' The Al Qur'an is sufficient, for all conditions, and all times!

olabowale:

I did not see how your simple question is now a request that I go and get an adulterated copy of what your Christian forebearers had poluted and remains so since over 14 Centuries, since the Qur'an was revealed.

olabowale:

I do not have a need for 'torah, sabuur and "bible" injiil.' The Al Qur'an is sufficient, for all conditions, and all times!

aaly2020:

Guys and Gals, looking back at history we read that Muhammad heared the voice of an angel in a cave who taught him how to recite the arabian quranic verses. This was memorized by Muhammad before he went to his secretary/friend who was literate to write it down. It was said that the angel spoke the words into Muhammad's mouth. If Muhammad was in the cave, wouldn't that be Satan himself speaking to Muhammad cause Satan can come as an Angel of Light

So there is no claims that Allah or the Muslim God sent the Quran from heaven! this is absurd as this is exactly how an illiterate Muhammad got the verses of the Quran:

On that lonely mountain, in a small cave, called Cave Hira, Muhammad (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) was resting after a lot of heavy thinking. Suddenly a bright Angel appeared in front of him and said the word, “READ.”

Muhammad (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) was born in a place where there were no school, so he never learned to read or write. He was so scared of the bright creature that all he coud say was, “I, I can’t read.”

The angel took hold of him and squeezed him tightly and repeated the word he said before, “Read.”
Muhammad cried, “I can’t read!”
The Angel grabbed him again and squeezed the breath out of his chest and repeated, “Read.”
To save himself from any further pain, Muhammad (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) answered quickly, “What should I read?”
Then the angel gave the new Prophet his new message from Allah. He said,

“Read in the Name of your Lord Who created humans from a clot of blood (embryo). Read for your Generous Lord. He is the One Who taught people with the pen what they didn’t know before.”

Upon receiving each revelation, the Prophet asked any one of his companions who could read and write to record it. This was done by the Prophet reciting the revelation he had received from the angel and a scribe taking it down. After the scribe had taken down what had been dictated to him (on the writing material of those days), the Prophet asked the scribe to read allowed what he had recorded - to make sure that he had recorded correctly what had been dictated to him.

(The chapters of the Quran are not arranged in chronological order but in the order of divine preference. For instance, the first verses the prophet received, which begun with "Read! In the name of Thy Lord, ", are in chapter 96, not in chapter 1).

A standard copy of the Quran was made within a few years of the death of the prophet when most of his immediate companions, who had heard him recite the Quran and had themselves committed it to memory, were still living. The prophet's successor, Caliph Abu Bakar, requested Zayd Bin Thabit to compile all the 114 chapters into one volume. Zayd ws chosen because it was he who had taken down most of the prophet's dictation of the revelation. The volume was then scrutinised by the prophet's companions and kept with Hafsah, the prophet's widow.

It was during the time of Caliph Othman, the third caliph some 12 years after the death of the prophet, that a committee was formed, with the celebrated Zayd bin Thabit as chairman, to take on the task of reproducing the standard volume into a number of copies to be sent to all the principle cities, like Mecca, Madina, Kufah, Basrah and Damascus, for other copies to be made from the standard copy sent.

So HERE YOU SEE THE QURAN WAS NOT SENT DOWN FROM HEAVEN, BUT AN ANGEL AS CLAIMED BY MUHAMMAD READ HIM THE VERSES. And you muslims are rejecting doctrines from genuine prophets of the OT and NT of the Bible?

So you know Christians call the Bible as the Old and New Testament? The Old Testament prophecies about the Messiah and God's divine purpose to save mankind. No humans can be SINLESS no matter how hard they try! We are saved only by grace, and the New Testament speaks about the fulfillment of the grace God spoke about through His Son. Can you muslims by praying 5 times a day, trying to do righteousness ever guarantee your heavenly kingdom coming upon you? By the way, the Quran never proved that the people of the book should be CONVERTED to enter heaven! or else your Allah is a liar and not a promise keeper. So don't misuse your own quranic verses.

We don't hate the jews as well cause they were given the revelation of the Messiah. They are loved and the Jews are the promised seed where Christ will be from the lineage of King David as prophecied in the Old Testament. But tell me, muslims, where in any prophecy from the Jews Torah have your revelation of the Quran been spoken about Nothing claims the lineage of Ishmael to be the promised seed either. No prophets came from Ishmael either. and stop dreaming that any part of the Bible is talking about Muhammad at all,

Now what you muslims do is to argue and try to find as much doctrines you can to prove yourselves true. Let the Lord Almighty be the judge!!! and we are saved by grace, not the works of our hands.

Till u learn this, you shall never understand what it means. Do you know why the Jews sacrifice animals to the Lord as burnt offerings? They transfer their sin onto the animal for atonement of their sins. The grace of God is shown in our Lamb of God who was sacrificed for all mankind. TIll you understand this phrases correctly, you won't understand why the Lamb of God was said to be the atonement for the sin of the world.

And Christ said, they shall hear, but never understand, they shall see but never perceive, for their ears are closed and their eyes are shut to the truth! Well, we only can say - see you on judgement day.

Today the believing Christians live with that grace and we know heaven is our reward due to the grace through the Lamb of God. The muslims are still praying hard and trying to live righteously thinking that Muhammad will save them to go into heaven. Oh please, you think that heaven is for mankind without the works of grace, sinful humans

Novice1:

To all Muslim Nairalanders,
Please lets end all these arguments through which some insensitive people blaspheme on Allah (SWT) and his beloved Prophet (SAW).
Remember there is no compulsion in religion.