What was Ishmael age when he was sent away with her mother?

Why does the quran not mention this? Why are you searching for the age in the bible?

@Davidylan

Why does the quran not mention this? Why are you searching for the age in the bible?

Liar, Coward. You cant even stand me to discuss religion. Your bible claimed that Ishmael was put on her mother's back but we calculated the age and found Ishmale to be 17 years old.

So which do we believe and what is Ishmael's age when sent away? Solve the incosistency and save your bible.

babs787:


What was Ishmael age when he was sent away with her mother?

This is hilarious. Ishmael was a baby, kid or whatever.

why did allah omit it from ur koran?  

What age did the quran say? Why dont we start from there you slave?

babs787:

@Davidylan

Liar, Coward. You cant even stand me to discuss religion. Your bible claimed that Ishmael was put on her mother's back but we calculated the age and found Ishmale to be 17 years old.

So which do we believe and what is Ishmael's age when sent away? Solve the incosistency and save your bible.

You calculated this from the bible . . . why did allah forget to include the calculations in his quran?

@Noetic, Davidylan

I know both of you or four of you put together would not be able to stand BABS and explain the incosistency in your BIBLE

What is Ishmael age when sent away?
Do we agree to 17?

babs787:

@Noetic, Davidylan

I know both of you or four of you put together would not be able to stand BABS and explain the incosistency in your BIBLE

What is Ishmael age when sent away?
Do we agree to 17?

of course not. He was a baby, who was crying in the wilderness when there was no food or water.

why did allah lie to u that ishmael was 17. . .allah must be a lying goat

babs787:

@Noetic, Davidylan

I know both of you or four of you put together w[b]ould not be able to stand BABS and explain the incosistency in your BIBLE[/b]

What is Ishmael age when sent away?
Do we agree to 17?

I'm still searching the quran, when i find the age i'll tell you. Surely allah must have remembered to include such a tiny detail.

noetic:

of course not. He was a baby, who was crying in the wilderness when there was no food or water.

why did allah lie to u that ishmael was 17. . .allah must be a lying goat

the age is certainly calculated from the bible . . . allah didnt mention anything like that in his plagiarised pseudo-bible called the quran . . . that's why he cant confirm from there for us.

@Davidylan

the age is certainly calculated from the bible . . . allah didnt mention anything like that in his plagiarised pseudo-bible called the quran . . . that's why he cant confirm from there for us.

It is clear from the story in Genesist that Ishmael was a little baby at that time. Abraham was 86 years old when Ishmael was born and 100 years old when he gave birth to Isaac meaning that Ishmael was already 14 years old when Isaac was born.

We also learnt that the incident took place when Isaac was weaned and was around 3 year old meaning that Ishamel was a fully grown teenager, 17 year old but his story in Genesis 21 showed that Ishmael was a baby and not a full grown teenager.

Having got the fact from the bible that he was 17 years when sent away, we read verses thus:

Genesis 21

14-21

14 Early next morning Abraham took some food and a full water-skin and gave them to Hagar. He set the child on her shoulder and sent her away, and she wandered about in the wilderness of Beersheba.

Can a 17 year old lad be put on the back?

Also

15 When the water in the skin was finished, she thrust the child under a bush,

Does the above paint a 17 year old kid?

babs787:

@Davidylan

It is clear from the story in Genesist that Ishmael was a little baby at that time. Abraham was 86 years old when Ishmael was born and 100 years old when he gave birth to Isaac meaning that Ishmael was already 14 years old when Isaac was born.

We also learnt that the incident took place when Isaac was weaned and was around 3 year old  meaning that Ishamel was a fully grown teenager, 17 year old but his story in Genesis 21 showed that Ishmael was a baby and not a full grown teenager.

Having got the fact from the bible that he was 17 years when sent away, we read verses thus:

Genesis 21

14-21

14 Early next morning Abraham took some food and a full water-skin and gave them to Hagar. He set the child on her shoulder and sent her away, and she wandered about in the wilderness of Beersheba.

Can a 17 year old lad be put on the back?

Also

15 When the water in the skin was finished, she thrust the child under a bush,

Does the above paint a 17 year old kid?

clarify it from the quran FIRST you dishonest abd-allah. You cant claim the bible is corrupt on one thread then be using the same bible to "clarify" Ishmael's age.

@Mazaje

Do you know those who wrote the Quran and do they understand Hebrew?

babs787:

@Mazaje

Do you know those who wrote the Quran and do they understand Hebrew?

Pls help us clarify Ishmael's age from the quran, surely allah must have remembered to include it no?

@Noetic

of course not. He was a baby, who was crying in the wilderness when there was no food or water.

why did allah lie to u that ishmael was 17. . .allah must be a lying goat Grin Grin Grin Grin

You can see that you are a dullard and further shows that you have not been reading your bible but being fed with lies by your pastors.

Your bible claimed that he was 17 and NOT THE QURAN. Olodo .
Learn your bible before discussing with Babs

Read again:\

t is clear from the story in Genesist that Ishmael was a little baby at that time. Abraham was 86 years old when Ishmael was born and 100 years old when he gave birth to Isaac meaning that Ishmael was already 14 years old when Isaac was born.

We also learnt that the incident took place when Isaac was weaned and was around 3 year old meaning that Ishamel was a fully grown teenager, 17 year old but his story in Genesis 21 showed that Ishmael was a baby and not a full grown teenager.

Having got the fact from the bible that he was 17 years when sent away, we read verses thus:

Genesis 21

14-21

14 Early next morning Abraham took some food and a full water-skin and gave them to Hagar. He set the child on her shoulder and sent her away, and she wandered about in the wilderness of Beersheba.

Can a 17 year old lad be put on the back?

Also

15 When the water in the skin was finished, she thrust the child under a bush,

Does the above paint a 17 year old kid?

why is blabs struggling to evade this question - [size=18pt]Pls help us clarify Ishmael's age from the quran, surely allah must have remembered to include it no?[/size]

why is he only interested in determining Ishmael (alleged father of islam) from the same bible he, just on the other thread, is accusing of being unreliable?

Babs,
I don't see any forthcoming reply. I think you should leave off questioning them, because you have already driven your point home. And more importantly, your requesting for answers is leading to thoughtless insults against Allah. Leave them alone, though it might be hard to do so.
May Allah reward you richly.

what has the age of ishmael got to do with all being discussed, babs you seems to be poised with finding errors in the bible. ok Ishmael's age was not declared cos it was irrelevant, if the quran specified, do let us know, so what is the point, you calculated his age and you were now trying to push what you seems to be his age to become one of your so called error in the bible, and did your bible tell you he was a baby or you just assumed, you damned slave od allah. i even wonder if you read your quran as much as you read the bible to find errors.

What was Ishmael age when he was sent away with her mother?

Ishmael was around the age of 14-17. Go back and do some research on the Bible before you embark on this journey, you will be disappointed.

Now a question for you. How is Ishmael's birth a miracle and Isaac's isn't? The quran states that the child God will make the covenant with will be a miracle child. Explain that pls.

Obviously, Davidlylan is apparently islamophobic. No objectivity in his views/comments. Seems he's always ready not only to discredit muslims/Islam but also to insult us.His conducts, utterances and responses in existing threads speak volume of his intolerance and perfidy. Definately, this country is not in need of such treacherous tendencies.My advice:We should all identify all our differences(faith/political etc) and strive towards mutual respect. This nation can do without religious bigotry.[I'm very certain he'll reply with a tirade of insults, Just wait, ]

babs787:

@Noetic

You can see that you are a dullard and further shows that you have not been reading your bible but being fed with lies by your pastors.

Your bible claimed that he was 17 and NOT THE QURAN. Olodo .
Learn your bible before discussing with Babs

Read again:\

Fine. I will take ur advice.

but i have a question for u, thou slave of allah.
how old did allah say ishmeal was in ur koran?

fellis:

Babs,
I don't see any forthcoming reply. I think you should leave off questioning them, because you have already driven your point home. And more importantly, your requesting for answers is leading to thoughtless insults against Allah. Leave them alone, though it might be hard to do so.
May Allah reward you richly.

How can you "see" one? You're too busy ferreting in the bible when the quran is oddly silent on the very "question" you slaves of satan pretend to be asking. If not for the bible, would you know if Ishmael was 2 or 90 when his mother left the house of Abraham?

babs787:

14 Early next morning Abraham took some food and a full water-skin and gave them to Hagar. He set the child on her shoulder and sent her away, and she wandered about in the wilderness of Beersheba.

Can a 17 year old lad be put on the back?

Also

15 When the water in the skin was finished, she thrust the child under a bush,

Does the above paint a 17 year old kid?

@babs,

no disrecpect, honestly, no disrespect, i am not a bible scholar, but have you considered the fact that ishmael may have been deranged to behave like a kid when he was 17yrs old? he may have some form of profound mental retardation or delayed developmental milestone . . . . . . . . have you considered that? seeing what his descendants are doing in today's generation.

perhaps we should do a research on this.

babs787:

@Davidylan

It is clear from the story in Genesist that Ishmael was a little baby at that time. Abraham was 86 years old when Ishmael was born and 100 years old when he gave birth to Isaac meaning that Ishmael was already 14 years old when Isaac was born.

We also learnt that the incident took place when Isaac was weaned and was around 3 year old meaning that Ishamel was a fully grown teenager, 17 year old but his story in Genesis 21 showed that Ishmael was a baby and not a full grown teenager.

Having got the fact from the bible that he was 17 years when sent away, we read verses thus:

Genesis 21

14-21

14 Early next morning Abraham took some food and a full water-skin and gave them to Hagar. He set the child on her shoulder and sent her away, and she wandered about in the wilderness of Beersheba.

Can a 17 year old lad be put on the back?

Also

15 When the water in the skin was finished, she thrust the child under a bush,

Does the above paint a 17 year old kid?

Having gone through your post I have now seen how desperate you are trying to look for contradictions in the Bible, which you don't believe, when there are none.  Davidylan, todak, Noetic and No2atheism ignored you because they knew that you were only trying to ridicule the Bible and not because you believe that it is the inspired word of God, but because of the benefit of those who may be led astray I will be making a few notes of my observations that shows you that your argument holds no water. 

Let us consider the text in Genesis 21:14-21
Genesis 21:14-21 (King James Version)

14[b]And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away:[/b] and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba.

15 And the water was spent in the bottle, and she cast the child under one of the shrubs.

16 And she went, and sat her down over against him a good way off, as it were a bow shot: for she said, Let me not see the death of the child. And she sat over against him, and lift up her voice, and wept.

17And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is.

18Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation.

19And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the bottle with water, and gave the lad drink.

20And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer.

21And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt.

Starting from verse 14, Abraham put a bottle of water and bread on the shoulder of Hagar and also gave her the child.  It was the custom of Egyptians for their women to carry burdens on the shoulder and for men to carry them on the head, and Hagar being an Egyptian given to Sarah by Pharoah (Gen.12:16-20; 16:3) and through her the Ishmaelites were of the Egyptian stock.  Careful observance of Scripture will notice that the verse did not say that Ishmael was placed on Hagar's shoulder, it could be read that Ishmael was given to Hagar or that Abraham placed similar burdens on him.  Even though Ishmael was said to be a child that does not imply that he was a baby because God called him a lad in verses 12, 17, 18, 19, 20, and the mother even took a wife for him, so definately he was of marriageable age, at least 19 (Gen.17:1,25; 21:5,.

Verse 15 stated that Hagar cast Ishmael under a shrub.  This does not mean that she cast him as a baby, it means that she left him under a tree because Ishmael must have been tired and wearied and could no longer continue the journey.  Abraham knew that in the south of Beersheba that oasis of water or wells were almost unknown except one is used to the place because the tribes usually hide their fountains from strangers but Abraham was aware of the proximity of Hagar's people to the place, even Hagar must have known the desert since she came from there but she got lost due to the sorrow of her heart.  The purpose of God for allowing the casting out of Hagar and her son was so to keep the line of the Messiah separate, who was to come through Isaac and to be a type or shadow of how the law of Moses is to be abolished or done away with (2Cor.6:5--18; Gal.4:21-31).

informative

http://www.lookinguntojesus.net/ata20031221.htm

Read the above link, Babs.

please tell him cos he claims to know the bible even more than the writers whom God inspired, he really needs prayer, and i think for the loveof the lost soul, the christians in NL should pray for him. Serious one with fasting if possible.

@Olaadegbu

Having gone through your post I have now seen how desperate you are trying to look for contradictions in the Bible, which you don't believe, when there are none. 

Please I want to get you very clear here. Are you saying there are no contradictions in that book called bible?

Davidylan, todak, Noetic and No2atheism ignored you because they knew that you were only trying to ridicule the Bible and not because you believe that it is the inspired word of God, but because of the benefit of those who may be led astray I will be making a few notes of my observations that shows you that your argument holds no water. 

Spare that excuse please. cWehre have you been when your brothers have been posting lies here and there, pretending not to see when answers were provided. You could tell that to your folks but not  me and you that claimed to be their Messiah, have you been able to debunk my claim in that thread on deification of Jesus?

They couldnt answer because they have no answers and you that answered also got it wrong. I would give you versions to see who lied between you and your bible.

Let us consider the text in Genesis 21:14-21
Genesis 21:14-21 (King James Version)

Ok.

Starting from verse 14, Abraham put a bottle of water and bread on the shoulder of Hagar and also gave her the child.  It was the custom of Egyptians for their women to carry burdens on the shoulder and for men to carry them on the head, and Hagar being an Egyptian given to Sarah by Pharoah (Gen.12:16-20; 16:3) and through her the Ishmaelites were of the Egyptian stock.  Careful observance of Scripture will notice that the verse did not say that Ishmael was placed on Hagar's shoulder, it could be read that Ishmael was given to Hagar or that Abraham placed similar burdens on him.  Even though Ishmael was said to be a child that does not imply that he was a baby because God called him a lad in verses 12, 17, 18, 19, 20, and the mother even took a wife for him, so definately he was of marriageable age, at least 19 (Gen.17:1,25; 21:5,.

You claimed in the above that Ishmael was not put on Hagar backs but let us quickly peruse some versions of the book to see the truth:

Does it mean that the boy cannot fend for himself at that age?
Do you say these versions are lying?

KJV

21:14 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave [it] unto Hagar, putting [it] on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba.


Genesis 21

14-21

14 Early next morning Abraham took some food and a full water-skin and gave them to Hagar. He set the child on her shoulder and sent her away, and she wandered about in the wilderness of Beersheba.


Read this too:[/b]from [b]NRSV

14 Early next morning, Abraham took some bread and a skin of water and, giving them to Hagar, put the child on her shoulder and sent her away. She wandered off into the desert of Beersheba.

Which should we take? Can a 17 year old kid be put on the shoulder?

babs787:

@Olaadegbu


Please I want to get you very clear here. Are you saying there are no contradictions in that book called bible?


Spare that excuse please. cWehre have you been when your brothers have been posting lies here and there, pretending not to see when answers were provided. You could tell that to your folks but not me and you that claimed to be their Messiah, have you been able to debunk my claim in that thread on deification of Jesus?

They couldnt answer because they have no answers and you that answered also got it wrong. I would give you versions to see who lied between you and your bible.

Ok.



You claimed in the above that Ishmael was not put on Hagar backs but let us quickly peruse some versions of the book to see the truth:

Does it mean that the boy cannot fend for himself at that age?
Do you say these versions are lying?

KJV

21:14 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave [it] unto Hagar, putting [it] on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba.


Genesis 21

14-21

14 Early next morning Abraham took some food and a full water-skin and gave them to Hagar. He set the child on her shoulder and sent her away, and she wandered about in the wilderness of Beersheba.

well, the fact that that mohammed had sex with a 9 year old girl (Aisha), does not mean we (xtians) dont see kids as kids. that explains why isaac never got married or had sexual encounters until he was 40 years old.

u need to borrow some of oladegbu`s intellectual and debating skills, cos if just one of ur baseless threads, (where u ask meaningless questions) was like the (objective and spot on)answer he just have u, then it would be meaningful debating with u.

olodo

oh its blabs . . . i thot some brainy muslim was here to enlighten us.

Babs come to think of it, if at all ishmeal was 17yrs, how old was aisha when she was deflowered?

Todak,you are too lazy or probably unintelligent to answer my question and since you are being evasive,trying to divert,could you please tell me Mary's age (jesus mother)when got pregnant?