drnoel:




If that is the case then I must be spiritually over mature although I rarely go to church. Still I think u mean to say those qualities are for disciplined people

I bet you bro you cannot live even average of all the character that man listed above by flesh.. You should watch your ways and draw nearer to your God. You can not be living above those characters and still find it difficult to go to church....

starlingslimnet:
The phrase "Spiritual maturity" seems to many Christains a non-attainable feat while many have been doctrinated to believe "Spiritual maturity" can only be attained by the G.O's and "they"are mean't to be Spiritual reta'rds like the Galatians. Be it as it may,whatever it is,is totally unscriptural; a siege made to limit your full usage of your right as a Christain (A disciple of Christ).Spiritual maturity is attainable and you can grow into it in few days. But first we must understand what Spiritual maturity means.

Contrary to what we have in the churches, Spiritual maturity is not a 'journey' requiring scores of years but a journey requiring simple 'Faith' in Christ. Spiritual maturity is a long maintained state of Spirit supremacy over all things that makes you "you." In saying what makes you,you I mean things that makes you a Spiritual reta'rd.

And If you are have "perfect" control over the areas listed below then you are Spiritually matured by the Standard of Christ irrespective of what your church teaches.

1. Anger: Anger brought down the great prophet Moses and caused him to be the one of the many who sees with their eyes but taste not with their mouth.Anger is a great hindrance to your growth into Spiritual maturity. To become a Spiritual giant in the Spiritual realm you need to subject anger. Remember no one heard a word of anger in his mouth.

2. Flesh: Talk about the fall of Samson flesh caused it in form of lust. The flesh is not the only hinderance as believed but one of the many hindrances to Spiritual maturity, quick and deadly.You must subject your flesh in all it's form.

3. Appetite: "How art the mighty fallen." Esau lost his birthright to appetite. The right to give birth to the natiom of Israel: for God has promised Isaac "To your seed" and Esau was the fist born; rightful heir but he lost it. Your appetite might hinder you from growing into Spiritual maturity.

4. Tongue: What brought plague upon the Israelites? Tongue.What brought leprosy on Miriam? Tongue. Need I to say anything more on Tongue? You have to subject and control

5. Jealousy: An inbuilt trait present in every single individual. Bad when supreme good when subjected.Spiritual maturity requires you to control your innate jealousy.

6. Feelings And Emotions: Seems a major problem among Christain youths.But if you don't control your feelings and emotions your feelings and emotions will control you and when it does you can never attain Spiritual maturity.

7. Thoughts And Imagination: When you have such a past like I had, thoughts and imagination becomes a great hindrance to your Spiritual growth into maturity.Notwithstanding, you have to have control over them and that is why there is number eight.

8. Heart: "Out of the heart comes......." The Bible admonish us to guard our heart. The ability to gaurd your heart is Spiritual maturity. What comes in and goes out,who comes in and goes out must always be under your control.

Seems hard,didn't it? But not when the Holy Spirit is involved. Remember by strength shall no man prevail even to say,you don't have power over your inner though you may do to some extent over your outer and these problems are inner. Not by power, nor by might but by my Spirit says the Lord.Remember, what the heart can conceive a man can achieve. Trust the Spirit and see if all these altogether will not be evident in your life.

You left the most important, GREED!
Imagine someone owning 4 private jets.

starlingslimnet:
The phrase "Spiritual maturity" seems to many Christains a non-attainable feat while many have been doctrinated to believe "Spiritual maturity" can only be attained by the G.O's and "they"are mean't to be Spiritual reta'rds like the Galatians. Be it as it may,whatever it is,is totally unscriptural; a siege made to limit your full usage of your right as a Christain (A disciple of Christ).Spiritual maturity is attainable and you can grow into it in few days. But first we must understand what Spiritual maturity means.

Contrary to what we have in the churches, Spiritual maturity is not a 'journey' requiring scores of years but a journey requiring simple 'Faith' in Christ. Spiritual maturity is a long maintained state of Spirit supremacy over all things that makes you "you." In saying what makes you,you I mean things that makes you a Spiritual reta'rd.

And If you are have "perfect" control over the areas listed below then you are Spiritually matured by the Standard of Christ irrespective of what your church teaches.

1. Anger: Anger brought down the great prophet Moses and caused him to be the one of the many who sees with their eyes but taste not with their mouth.Anger is a great hindrance to your growth into Spiritual maturity. To become a Spiritual giant in the Spiritual realm you need to subject anger. Remember no one heard a word of anger in his mouth.

2. Flesh: Talk about the fall of Samson flesh caused it in form of lust. The flesh is not the only hinderance as believed but one of the many hindrances to Spiritual maturity, quick and deadly.You must subject your flesh in all it's form.

3. Appetite: "How art the mighty fallen." Esau lost his birthright to appetite. The right to give birth to the natiom of Israel: for God has promised Isaac "To your seed" and Esau was the fist born; rightful heir but he lost it. Your appetite might hinder you from growing into Spiritual maturity.

4. Tongue: What brought plague upon the Israelites? Tongue.What brought leprosy on Miriam? Tongue. Need I to say anything more on Tongue? You have to subject and control

5. Jealousy: An inbuilt trait present in every single individual. Bad when supreme good when subjected.Spiritual maturity requires you to control your innate jealousy.

6. Feelings And Emotions: Seems a major problem among Christain youths.But if you don't control your feelings and emotions your feelings and emotions will control you and when it does you can never attain Spiritual maturity.

7. Thoughts And Imagination: When you have such a past like I had, thoughts and imagination becomes a great hindrance to your Spiritual growth into maturity.Notwithstanding, you have to have control over them and that is why there is number eight.

8. Heart: "Out of the heart comes......." The Bible admonish us to guard our heart. The ability to gaurd your heart is Spiritual maturity. What comes in and goes out,who comes in and goes out must always be under your control.

Seems hard,didn't it? But not when the Holy Spirit is involved. Remember by strength shall no man prevail even to say,you don't have power over your inner though you may do to some extent over your outer and these problems are inner. Not by power, nor by might but by my Spirit says the Lord.Remember, what the heart can conceive a man can achieve. Trust the Spirit and see if all these altogether will not be evident in your life.

there are thousands of unbelievers that have all these traits.
Yet they do not even have the Spirit of God talkless of spiritual growth.

Spiritual growth comes as a result of knowledge and understanding you have about the person of Christ and making a decision to walk in it.

Its firstly about having "perfect knowledge" about the person the Jesus Christ,
who you are him,
all you have in him,
all you can do through him,
all he has done for you,
and making a conscoius decision to walk in it.

"perfect knowledge happens over time"

Man!
Man is not free of
Blemish,Imperfect man.
Man strives for perfection
Man is imperfect but
man can still find
harmony interior
with leaf of woods
beasts of field and
water and man.

AWONEYAN:
Agreed!
If you claim to be religious but don’t control your tongue, you are fooling yourself, and your religion is worthless.

This is where I SMH at those Deep**Li** men and women, most I have encountered in the place I stay are character wise dead.
Na them they start quarrel, and them go they sing and pray fire against their neighbours just because of dues ( environmental, security etc), even they will not pay, na still them go owe rent and call police for the landlord if the landlord threaten them . They do this once you are not their member.

I love some of the guys/ladies of our generation they are social and still follow their church rules

Volksfuhrer:


Perhaps, you did not get the thrust of my argument. You see, I understood your post quite well. What I meant was, focus on spiritual maturity has its pitfalls and that every Christian's personal struggles with the flesh has nothing to do with "spiritual maturity"! David had inordinate appetite for women, but that didn't make him spiritually immature. Peter had issues with fear. The same can be said about Moses who had anger issues. All these reflexes do not make you immature. That was the point I was getting across.

Now I understand you: You write like Apostle Paul; do endeavor to explain your words many might misconstrued you.

sportsmaster:

there are thousands of unbelievers that have all these traits.
Yet they do not even have the Spirit of God talkless of spiritual growth.

Spiritual growth comes as a result of knowledge and understanding you have about the person of Christ and making a decision to walk in it.

Its firstly about having "perfect knowledge" about the person the Jesus Christ,
who you are him,
all you have in him,
all you can do through him,
all he has done for you,
and making a conscoius decision to walk in it.

"perfect knowledge happens over time"

You are blinded by hatred.

starlingslimnet:
You are blinded by hatred.

i spoke the truth..
I dont care about your opinion.
Several high ranking Muslim clerics have more than all the traits you listed yet.
But do not have the Spirit of God.

Nice piece! Calls for an introspection

sportsmaster:


i spoke the truth.

O.. do you? Have you seen a man who does not believe in Christ having perfect control over all these? If Yes, Tell me his name I will like to meet him.

Honestly bro,you are being ridden with hatred and in just a little time you may be drown in it. But I pray God help you. Bye

Neplusultra:
Nice piece! Calls for an introspection

I don't have dictionary here now with me can you tell me what introspection means?

starlingslimnet:
O.. do you? Have you seen a man who does not believe in Christ having perfect control over all these? If Yes, Tell me his name I will like to meet him.

Honestly bro,you are being ridden with hatred and in just a little time you may be drown in it. But I pray God help you. Bye

have you met Nasfat muslim clerics.
Or shintoist?
Many atheists on Nairaland have these attitudes.
Ever encountered an Eckankar priest.?.

starlingslimnet:
I don't have dictionary here now with me can you tell me what introspection means?

A Sober reflection, To Search oneself!

starlingslimnet:
O.. do you? Have you seen a man who does not believe in Christ having perfect control over all these? If Yes, Tell me his name I will like to meet him.

Honestly bro,you are being ridden with hatred and in just a little time you may be drown in it. But I pray God help you. Bye

i can tell you boldy,here that many Atheists and muslims on his forum are morally upright than Christians..


This is me being honest with what i have seen so far.

starlingslimnet:
Am sorry but I don't see the see the point in quoting me

Lol! I agree! totally off point!

sportsmaster:


have you met Nasfat muslim clerics.
Or shintoist?
Many atheists on Nairaland have these attitudes.
Ever encountered an Eckankar priest.?.

Give names and Let me go and visit them.

Trust me know one can do these things which I listed up there without Christ. People who understand the magnitude of my writing on each point knows this. No man without Christ can do without anger neither can any man without Christ control his thoughts and imagination. None without Christ can see an unclad woman without thinking how to lie with her.

Hatred breed suffering.

sportsmaster:


i can tell you boldy,here that many Atheists and muslims on his forum are morally upright than Christians..


This is me being honest with what i have seen so far.

I must submit then you have not met a single Christain.

Neplusultra:
A Sober reflection, To Search oneself!

Thanks...added to my vocal store

starlingslimnet:
Thanks...added to my vocal store

Lol

Neplusultra:
Lol! I agree! totally off point!

Good you see it, when I told him he went on the offensive

starlingslimnet:
Give names and Let me go and visit them.

Trust me know one can do these things which I listed up there without Christ. People who understand the magnitude of my writing on each point knows this. No man without Christ can do without anger neither can any man without Christ control his thoughts and imagination. None without Christ can see an unclad woman without thinking how to lie with her.

Hatred breed suffering.

i doubt if you have ever read about Buddhist monks.

You can visit their temples in China and Thailand.

starlingslimnet:
Good you see it, when I told him he went on the offensive

Lolz! days Nairalsnd for u,home of crazy we r told to avoid such arguments dat leads to strife

sportsmaster:


i doubt if you have ever read about Buddhist monks.

You can visit their temples in China and Thailand.

Lol....you are just a funny person ridden with hatred. So you have not even met one nd you are telling me about Thailand where you have not been to. Seems you talk about Muslims and Atheist too,since we have Atheist and Muslims in Nigeria you must have met some to make that claim. Can you give me names of those you have met that makes you make this claim?

Neplusultra:
Lolz! days Nairaland for u,home of crazy we r told to avoid such arguments dat leads to strife

Didn't Remember that at that moments though I placate the issue and Let go.

Seems you are well verse in the Scripture

starlingslimnet:
Lol....you are just a funny person ridden with hatred. So you have not even met one nd you are telling me about Thailand where you have not been to. Seems you talk about Muslims and Atheist too,since we have Atheist and Muslims in Nigeria you must have met some to make that claim. Can you give me names of those you have met that makes you make this claim?

Have you taken your time to read about buddhism.?

Your knowledge about the things of God is so so shallow.

Most of The Muslim guys here in my hostel Mariere Hall here in Unilag have better conducts than Christians.

I am not exalting unbelievers here this this is the plain truth.

Read Eph4:11-14.
It explains spiritual growth in Pellucid terms.

sportsmaster:


Have you taken your time to read about buddhism.?

Your knowledge about the things of God is so so shallow.

Most of The Muslim guys here in my hostel Mariere Hall here in Unilag have better conducts than Christians.

I am not exalting unbelievers here this this is the plain truth.

Read Eph4:11-14.
It explains spiritual growth in Pellucid terms.

And I say you have not met a single christains all you have met are religious people. But to avoid unnecessary quibbling over words Let me explain briefly where I draw my topic from.

The fruit of the Spirit in believers generally denotes Spiritual maturity and of these is mentiined, self control. So I picked self control and seeing where many are lagging behind I listed them up there and Glory be to God many have been blessed with it and the Ancient words have once again impart.

I would have provide you with Scriptures justifying those things under self control in relation to Spiritual maturity but hatred will never allow you to see them.

So brother if you wish to continue in your hatred all good. God help you with it but as for me the purpose of this thread have been fulfilled and the Spirit of God has done his work here.On this note I say Bye.

starlingslimnet:
And I say you have not met a single christains all you have met are religious people. But to avoid unnecessary quibbling over words Let me explain briefly where I draw my topic from.

The fruit of the Spirit in believers generally denotes Spiritual maturity and of these is mentiined, self control. So I picked self control and seeing where many are lagging behind I listed them up there and Glory be to God many have been blessed with it and the Ancient words have once again impart.

I would have provide you with Scriptures justifying those things under self control in relation to Spiritual maturity but hatred will never allow you to see them.

So brother if you wish to continue in your hatred all good. God help you with it but as for me the purpose of this thread have been fulfilled and the Spirit of God has done his work here.On this note I say Bye.

.Paul taught fruits of the Spirit just like he taught the Gifts of the Spirit.

It is just saying the having the Gifts is Spiritual growth.
It is not.


The church at Corinth had all the Gifts in demonstration, see 1cor1:6-7.

yet they were baby Christians,they were not matured Spiritually 1cor3:1-3.


Spiritual growth is basically about having knowledge about the person of Christ and walking in it.

Read Paul's prayers.it was emphatic on knowledge.

Eph1:16-19.
Eph3:14-21,
Colossians1:9-11,
Phillipians 1:9-11,
Philemon1:6:-,

Paul laid emphasis on knowledge.
All through the Epistles.
The Apostles taught
1)what Christ has done for us.
2)what Christ is doing for us.
3)who we are in Christ.
4)what we have in Christ
5)what we can do in Christ.

Amongst many other things..

Spiritual growth is explained in
Eph4:11-14:-

sportsmaster:




.Paul taught fruits of the Spirit just like he taught the Gifts of the Spirit.

It is just saying the having the Gifts is Spiritual growth.
It is not.


The church at Corinth had all the Gifts in demonstration, see 1cor1:6-7.

yet they were baby Christians,they were not matured Spiritually 1cor3:1-3.


Spiritual growth is basically about having knowledge about the person of Christ and walking in it.

Read Paul's prayers.it was emphatic on knowledge.

Eph1:16-19.
Eph3:14-21,
Colossians1:9-11,
Phillipians 1:9-11,
Philemon1:6:-,

Paul laid emphasis on knowledge.
All through the Epistles.
The Apostles taught
1)what Christ has done for us.
2)what Christ is doing for us.
3)who we are in Christ.
4)what we have in Christ
5)what we can do in Christ.

Amongst many other things..

Spiritual growth is explained in
Eph4:11-14:-

Bye

starlingslimnet:
Will you believe in Christ if you see it done live in front of you?

Yes, Of course.

drnoel:




If that is the case then I must be spiritually over mature although I rarely go to church. Still I think u mean to say those qualities are for disciplined people

if u say u have, what do we say to the aspect of lust (the flesh) or are those sexscapedes fiction? Not judging tho

Demmocrats:
Op i seriously disagree with you



Anger has its own advantages in things of God even the almighty at some point showed Roth/anger



A true Christian is filled with the holy spirit so all those things you mentioned are suppressed by the holy spirit. Those things are mark of church goers not a true Christian filled with the holy spirit and directed by God.

ok, pls can u help us out with what the mark of a christian filled with the holy spirit, I guess that'll help us alot. Gracias