The Christian community is replete with charlatans who prey on the weak and gullible to create a life of luxury for themselves and their close kin. The teachings of these charlatans are rarely examined outside of the gaurded Christian community in which they and their followers move.  To better address the stench that comes out of the likes of Adeboye, I ordered and  received today a copy of Adeboye's Open Heaven 2009.   So let's start with today's devotional word from the Pastor.

                                                                                                                   Tuesday 14th April

                                                                                                                        BE SEPARATE


It is great to partner with the Most High God. However, there are certain conditions you must satisfy if you truly want to be God's partner. First to partner with god, you must not partner with unbelievers in business, marriage or in any other area.  Why? You are made righteous by the blood of the lamb but they are not. You are light but they are darkness and both cannot combine: one must dispplace the other. When you are looking up to God for help, they will be looking down for help from satanic forces. When you are praying for Jesus to guide and direct your meetings, they will be making enchantments. While you are pulling to the right, they will be going the reverse direction.  You belong to Christ but they belong to Belial and each must serve his master.  You are God's temple while they are for idols.  They are full of boasting. Whenever you find two idols talking, you will find one trying to impress the other that he is greater.

The second devine partnership requirement is that you must comeout from amongs unbelievers.  Proverbs 21:16 says it is a backslider that abides in the midst of the dead. John 3:18 says unbelievers are already condemned. It is not until the final judgment day before they will be damned: they are already damned! It is only when they received Jesus that their condemnation is lifted (Romans 8:1). Luke 24:5 asks why you should seek the living amongst the dead.  I cannot see how a true child of God will be comfortably seated at a party organised by an unbeliever.  Ecclesiastes 9: 34 says there is hope for the one who is joined to the living.  MAtthew 22: 32 says God is the god of the living.  The best friends of some Christians are unbelievers.  This is unfortunate.  If you are always in the company of unbelievers or you prefer their company to being with fellow believers, something is wrong somewhere.  If Matthew 8: 21-22 is anything to go by, ensure your parents are born again before their death and burial.  Why must you be separated from unbelievers?  Although Matthew 5:45 talks of general blessings, certain rainshowers of blessings will only come on believers.  Amos 4: 7 talks of God's ability to release rain on one part of the city and leave out the other.  Be wise, do not let your partnership with unbelievers rob you of your blessings.

ACTION POINT - Watch the company you keep.  Ask God to carefully select your friends for you.



The above words are the words of the Pastor for Christians to meditate on today.  Is any of this calculated to forment a good and strong harmonious society of different colours.  The pastor is advising Christians to stay away from non-Christians and not to partner and associate with unbelievers, lest they miss out on their blessings.  There are some many problems with this piece if advice, I just did not know where to start.

For a start, if you went out to work or school/college in an institution that is not owned by believers, then you have fallen foul of the pastor's advice.  Do you have colleagues who are unbelievers?  Do you avoid them?   Have you ever been to a party orgainsed by an unbeliever?

As for the hypocracy and contradiction embodied in this message, consider the following:  When Jesus was asked why he fratenised with sinners (ie tax collectors, etc), he was supposed to have said he came to save the sinners and NOT those already saved.  Is Adeboye's advice in keeping with the spirit of Jesus mission?

Mark 2:13-17 (King James Version)

13  And he went forth again by the sea side; and all the multitude resorted unto him, and he taught them.

14  And as he passed by, he saw Levi the son of Alphaeus sitting at the receipt of custom, and said unto him, Follow me. And he arose and followed him.

15  And it came to pass, that, as Jesus sat at meat in his house, many publicans and sinners sat also together with Jesus and his disciples: for there were many, and they followed him.

16  And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?

17  When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.


Adeboye is a bone-skulled, empty-headed charlatan, out to drain the gullible of the few pennies they possess.  So if you are wise, ignore the ramblings of this delusional maniac.

Dude, calm down and take it easy. Relax. Why you dey vex for the man? There must be some DEEPER lessons to be learned from this and not what you read at face value!

Epiphany:

Dude, calm down and take it easy. Relax. Why you dey vex for the man? There must be some DEEPER lessons to be learned from this and not what you read at face value!

OK, enlighten us, naah. Wetin be dey deeper message, naah?

huxley:

OK, enlighten us, naah. Wetin be dey deeper message, naah?

Dont know - will leave that to the 'pastors' on nairaland to enlighten us. I just thought that what the man has written is no reason for us to vex for him. His followers are happy with what they are reading, since i assume that they are the ones that read his daily devotional!

Epiphany:

Dont know - will leave that to the 'pastors' on nairaland to enlighten us. I just thought that what the man has written is no reason for us to vex for him. His followers are happy with what they are reading, since i assume that they are the ones that read his daily devotional!

Well, you know the adage - "People tend to have the sort of leaders they deserve" ? In other words, dumb people tend to have dumb leaders, and wise people wise leaders. If the pastor knew his delusional followers would call him up on such garbage, do you think he would produce them? I bet, he would raise his game. But because he does not think much of his audience, who would never call him to task, he has the liberty to produce such rubbish.

Let's see what his followers here on NL say about his inane teachings.

huxley:

Well, you know the adage - "People tend to have the sort of leaders they deserve" ? In other words, dumb people tend to have dumb leaders, and wise people wise leaders. If the pastor knew his delusional followers would call him up on such garbage, do you think he would produce them? I bet, he would raise his game. But because he does not think much of his audience, who would never call him to task, he has the liberty to produce such rubbish.

Let's see what his followers here on NL say about his inane teachings.

Very well said, Christians can shout about love, love , love all they want but we know that they shout love just to save face. Listen to people like Pat Robinson talk about politics and "unbelievers" when he thinks the cameras are off. By the way does pastor Adeboye know that Ecclesiastes was originally written by an unbeliever before it was edited by the Jews?

The message is not meant to belittle or condemn anyone, its just saying that if you want have a fruitful walk with God.  its nt saying you shudnt talk to unbelievers, but your relationship with them has to be limited, as the bible says in 2Cor  6.14 do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. its just the same way we christians are advised to marry fellow christians. lets give an example hw wud you feel if your pastor was bestfriends with a drug dealer or a prostitute, am sure you would probably chastise and rebuke him, but that doesnt mean he cannot talk to the the prostitute or preach to her, so my people its more  abt your closeness to the unbeliever and the message is nt saying you shud judge and say you are better than unbelievers . and to the poster, pls I advise you nt to talk of men of God the way you have just done abt pastor Adeboye, its just nt advisable to do so, as you risk incuring the wrath of God.

this guy huxley, is just out to destroy pastor Adeboye,kumuyi, oyakilome,TB Joshua even he want to slap GOD Himslf
ahh pls my guy, why did u hate God and his servants??
can a man fight his maker and survive??

It is a great shame that we have people like this having a strong hold on the minds of so many Nigerians.When we are trying to build a harmonious society,in comes guys like this preaching venomous stuffs to keep us apart.
Shouldn't religion be working to keep us together,instead of keeping us separated?
Absolute Godlessness reigns supreme.

huxley:


It is great to partner with the Most High God. However, there are certain conditions you must satisfy if you truly want to be God's partner. First to partner with god, you must not partner with unbelievers in busuness, marriage or in any other area.  Why? You are made righteous by the blood of the lamb but they are not. You are light but they are darkness and both cannot combine: one must dispplace the other. When you are looking up to God for help, they will be looking down for help from satanic forces. When you are praying for Jesus to guide and direct your meetings, they will be making enchantments. While you are pulling to the right, they will be going the reverse direction.  You belong to Christ but they belong to Belial and each must serve his master.  You are God's temple while they are for idols.  They are full of boasting. Whenever you find two idols talking, you will find one trying to impress the other that he is greater.

The second devine partnership requirement is that you must comeout from amongs unbelievers.  Proverbs 21:16 says it is a backslider that abides in the midst of the dead. John 3:18 says unbelievers are already condemned. It is not until the final judgment day before they will be damned: they are already damned! It is only when they received Jesus that their condemnation is lifted (Romans 8:1). Luke 24:5 asks why you should seek the living amongst the dead.  I cannot see how a true child of God will be comfortably seated at a party organised by an unbeliever.  Ecclesiastes 9: 34 says there is hope for the one who is joined to the living.  MAtthew 22: 32 says God is the god of the living.  The best friends of some Christians are unbelievers.  This is unfortunate.  If you are always in the company of unbelievers or you prefer their company to being with fellow believers, something is wrong somewhere.  If Matthew 8: 21-22 is anything to go by, ensure your parents are born again before their death and burial.  Why must you be separated from unbelievers?  Although Matthew 5:45 talks of general blessings, certain rainshowers of blessings will only come on believers.  Amos 4: 7 talks of God's ability to release rain on one part of the city and leave out the other.  Be wise, do not let your partnership with unbelievers rob you of your blessings.

ACTION POINT - Watch the company you keep.  Ask God to carefully select your friends for you.



The above words are the words of the Pastor for Christians to meditate on today.  Is any of this calculated to forment a good and strong harmonious society of different colours.  The pastor is advising Christians to stay away from non-Christians and not to partner and associate with unbelievers, lest they miss out on their blessings.  There are some many problems with this piece if advice, I just did not know where to start.

For a start, if you went out to work or school/college in an institution that is not owned by believers, then you have fallen foul of the pastor's advice.  Do you have colleagues who are unbelievers?  Do you avoid them?   Have you ever been to a party orgainsed by an unbeliever?

As for the hypocracy and contradiction embodied in this message, consider the following:  When Jesus was asked why he fratenised with sinners (ie tax collectors, etc), he was supposed to have said he came to save the sinners and NOT those already saved.  Is Adeboye's advice in keeping with the spirit of Jesus mission?

Mark 2:13-17 (King James Version)

13  And he went forth again by the sea side; and all the multitude resorted unto him, and he taught them.

14  And as he passed by, he saw Levi the son of Alphaeus sitting at the receipt of custom, and said unto him, Follow me. And he arose and followed him.

15  And it came to pass, that, as Jesus sat at meat in his house, many publicans and sinners sat also together with Jesus and his disciples: for there were many, and they followed him.

16  And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?

17  When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.


Adeboye is a bone-skulled, empty-headed charlatan, out to drain the gullible of the few pennies they possess.  So if you are wise, ignore the ramblings of this delusional maniac.

lol in Huxley's haste to make noise, he missed key parts of Adeboye's message, twisted it out of context and maliciously slandered an innocent man.

You dont have to listen to Adeboye's messages if they bother you . . .

Okemoni:

The message is not meant to belittle or condemn anyone, its just saying that if you want have a fruitful walk with God.  its nt saying you shudnt talk to unbelievers, but your relationship with them has to be limited, as the bible says in 2Cor  6.14 do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. its just the same way we christians are advised to marry fellow christians. lets give an example hw wud you feel if your pastor was bestfriends with a drug dealer or a prostitute, am sure you would probably chastise and rebuke him, but that doesnt mean he cannot talk to the the prostitute or preach to her, so my people its more  abt your closeness to the unbeliever and the message is  nt saying you shud judge and say you are better than unbelievers .

Pastor adeboye clearly says that chrstians should not have anything to do with non christians there is no need spinning that.

and to the poster, pls I advise you nt to talk of men of God the way you have just done abt pastor Adeboye, its just nt advisable to do so, as you risk incuring the wrath of God.

This statement s one of the reasons why nigeria is still a backward nation, adeboye lied that he travelled for more than 300km on an empty tank but we have millions that still worship him. . .we are just to fearful. . . there is nothing like wrath of god it exist only in your imagnations. . . Zap all the gods(Jehova, allah, buddah etc) and their wrath.

The message is what causes great concern.Did u read about what happened to christians in the northern part of the country during easter?
That is the sort of atmosphere such messages build and nurture.Who are these socalled "Men of god" truly working for sef?God?I think not,because God is never a factor of division.

davidylan:


You dont have to listen to Adeboye's messages if they bother you . . .

@Mazaye
Buddha is not a god.

jagunlabi:

The message is what causes great concern.Did u read about what happened to christians in the northern part of the country during easter?
That is the sort of atmosphere such messages builds and nurtures.Who are these socalled "Men of god" truly working for?God?I think not,because God is never a factor of division.

this falsehood here is much worse than the charge you lay at Adeboye . . . Huxley's and the retorts from the likes of you drip with hatred and disgust 10000 times more grievous than anything Adeboye ever said.
He didnt make his sermon up, those are simply biblical principles that you do not unequally yoke urself with unbelievers.

God (and i believe Adeboye also) did not say christians shld not be friends with unbelievers or refuse them help or ignore them . . . note the word Adeboye himself uses . . . you must not partner

The bible even goes further to use a stronger term - YOKE.

They are not the same as NOT talking to the dude beside you in class simply because he is muslim. The same bible asks us to SEEK PEACE WITH ALL MEN (not just christian men), the same bible asks us to "render unto ceaser the things that are ceasers" (not because ceasar was a christian), the same bible says PRAY FOR THOSE IN AUTHORITY (not only when they are christian)!

Your failure to understand the context of Adeboye's message is not a reason for you to malign him here. I read Huxley's post thinking i would find something intelligent there only to be disappointed again.

you say God is not a factor of division . . . well i guess you really dont know God AT ALL. Open your bible and understand Him a bit more before saying nonsense.

mazaje:

Pastor adeboye clearly says that chrstians should not have anything to do with non christians there is no need spinning that.

where did he use these words specifically or are you just spinning things as usual?

@ mazaje, I pray that you do not have to experience it ( the wrath), I still advise you to watch how you talk about God and his servants.

Was it Huxley who said the following, or was it the Pastor?

The best friends of some Christians are unbelievers. This is unfortunate. If you are always in the company of unbelievers or you prefer their company to being with fellow believers, something is wrong somewhere.

Look guys, I have copied this verbatim from the Open Heaven devotional, a copy of which I recieved today. What is the context of the advice from the Pastor? Can you guys tell us what the context is?

davidylan:

you say God is not a factor of division . . . well i guess you really dont know God AT ALL. Open your bible and understand Him a bit more before saying nonsense.

the biblegod is one of the greatest proponent of division and sagregation, if you where alive during the old testament days your tribe would have been killed or enslaved and some of your female relative would have been sacrificed unto yahweh.

davidylan:

where did he use these words specifically or are you just spinning things as usual?

how can you see when you the two of you are living in a bubble of delusion. . . . .

Okemoni:

@ mazaje, I pray that you do not have to experience it ( the wrath), I still advise you to watch how you talk about God and his servants.

Zap all the gods their wrath exist only in your imaginations. . . . .

1)I don't think there is any falsehood in anything i said in my post.It is very clear from the man's preaching where the hatred for fellow human beings is coming from,which is directly from him and his interpretations of the scriptures.

2)Don't be friends and do not partner, What is the difference?I see none.

3)How can you seek peace with all men when you refuse to accept them and their beliefs?Does that make any sense to you?Total ridiculousness.

4)I understand the context of his message quite clearly and it is that of intolerance and that is expected of him,anyway.I am not surprised.

5)I have never considered the god of the bible as the true god,anyway,so there is no need to open up any bible.That creature called god is just a created fiction created by the ancient jewish priests to confuse the masses.And it is a great shame that that is what nigerians base their images of the creator on.A really big shame.

davidylan:

this falsehood here is much worse than the charge you lay at Adeboye . . . Huxley's and the retorts from the likes of you drip with hatred and disgust 10000 times more grievous than anything Adeboye ever said.
He didnt make his sermon up, those are simply biblical principles that you do not unequally yoke urself with unbelievers.

God (and i believe Adeboye also) did not say christians shld not be friends with unbelievers or refuse them help or ignore them . . . note the word Adeboye himself uses . . . you must not partner

The bible even goes further to use a stronger term - YOKE.

They are not the same as NOT talking to the dude beside you in class simply because he is muslim. The same bible asks us to SEEK PEACE WITH ALL MEN (not just christian men), the same bible asks us to "render unto ceaser the things that are ceasers" (not because ceasar was a christian), the same bible says PRAY FOR THOSE IN AUTHORITY (not only when they are christian)!

Your failure to understand the context of Adeboye's message is not a reason for you to malign him here. I read Huxley's post thinking i would find something intelligent there only to be disappointed again.

you say God is not a factor of division . . . well i guess you really dont know God AT ALL. Open your bible and understand Him a bit more before saying nonsense.

@ Mazaje and Huxley, from your replies I think the best thing to do is to pray that the Lord in his own special way will reveal himself to you. I still advise you to watch how you talk about God and his anoited.

How are we suppose to understand the following injunction:

[size=16pt]First to partner with god, you must not partner with unbelievers in business, marriage or in any other area[/size]

. . . in any other areas".    How would you not have fallen foul of this if you attended a school, business, hospital, etc, etc, where the majority or owners are not believers.  Does this make any sense to you?

When the Pastor used to fly international airlines owned by secular commercial organisation, he was falling foul of his own advice.  Can anyone make a justification why this conclusion is misplaced?

I understand that we all live [or are supposed to live] in a free world - where anyone can believe what he wants to believe and believe in who he wants to believe in without feeling fearful about it.

As far as i am concerned, i think that whatever Pastor Adeboye says in his devotional is left to the redeemed people and christians in general to question - not necessarily openly and in the public sphere, but in their closets, between themselves and God. It is the same way we should not take everything our lecturers and teachers say, without going back to read our textbooks to verify their teachings. I have very often found out that my lecturers or teachers have either passed across the wrong message, or failed to interprete the teachings in the proper way. Being human, Adeboye MAY have done the same.

To be honest and fair, I READ THE SAME PASSAGE DEVOTIONAL THIS MORNING and questioned the writings in my heart. I read where it said that Believers should not do business with unbelievers. I felt that this was a bit tough in the sense that many, if not millions of Christians worldwide are employed by unbelievers or are indirectly working for them. How then will we justify this saying that we should not do business with them?

I also read that believers should not go to the parties of unbelievers. What came to my mind immediately was that Jesus, when he was alive, went to the celebrations of people who were not considered to be believers and took that as a chance to preach.

All that said, my questioning his writings is just a way for me to develop myself and strenghthen my belief in God and not to curse or pour expletives on him or his teachings.

These socalled "men of god" always preach one thing,"SEPARATION".It is like some guys calling themselves,"MEN OF RACISM", going about and preaching racial segregation all over the place.No difference,except,maybe they do the religious separation campaign in the name of a god which is tribal and nepotistic in his characteristiscs.
Terrible!

Attending institutions is not the same as being in partnership. It seems comprehension of English Language is your prime failing.  

Taking an overly general interpretation of the word 'partnership' is your prime failing.

He is talking about getting involved in something with an unbeliever when it has the potential to drag you away from God or make you compromise on your principles. That is the basic import of the message, not simply avoiding any 'relationship' with unbelievers. Even having a conversation is some form of relationship, so obviously you need to put things in context.

@ Huxley, you can see he uses the word partner, goin to school or flying an airliner owned by an unbeliever is not partnering them, but getting married to them or having them as your best friends, would affect your relationship with God. he has not said you shudnt talk to unbelievers. if Adeboye didnt like unbelievers, he would nt have the opportunity of the altar call, where pple can come and give their lives in his services, pls do nt misconstrue his message, he is nt preaching hatred like you think.

@Huxley and Jagunlabi

E be like say una wan fight this man sha! Make una sofry sofry o.

However, i understand that there are so many people that will follow these teachings VERBATIM and will not study by themselves to make sure the words are true. I believe that this problem also has a cultural dimension. That belief that either states that 'The elders are always right' and that 'the words of those in authority is final'.

Look,epiphany,this is not about fighting anyone.Afterall,i know him not personally.But what he is doing is killing our society at large.We need people who will further or champion harmonious living amongst nigerians despite the huge diversity.We don't want people to create the kind of mindsets that will always generate seething loathe in the minds of the nigerian populace,which is what this guy is doing under the guise of religion.Aren't you tired of enemies being created for you daily?Don't you want to live in peace with your fellow human being anywhere on earth?

Epiphany:

@Huxley and Jagunlabi

E be like say una wan fight this man sha! Make una sofry sofry o.

jagunlabi:

Look,epiphany,this is not about fighting anyone.Afterall,i know him not personally.But what he is doing is killing our society at large.We need people who will further or champion harmonious living amongst nigerians despite the huge diversity.We don't want people to create the kind of mindsets that will always generate seething loathe in the minds of the nigerian populace,which is what this guy is doing under the disguise of religion.Aren't you tired of enemies being created for you daily?Don't you want to live in peace with your fellow human being anywhere on earth?

Very very well said.

Ok ok ok, i give up,

The advocates for the Pastor are now saying that his detractors have taken the injunction out of context and that they have misunderstood the word "partner" as used in the injunction. If this is the case, can his followers explain to us what "partner" means?

And it what sense does attending a party make one a partner of the party or of the host of the party?

debosky:

He is talking about getting involved in something with an unbeliever when it has the potential to drag you away from God or make you compromise on your principles. That is the basic import of the message, not simply avoiding any 'relationship' with unbelievers. Even having a conversation is some form of relationship, so obviously you need to put things in context.

Is that not explanatory enough?

If any partnership has the potential to affect your relationship with God due to involvement with an unbeliever, then avoid it.

@Huxley,

I am not really into the religious forum but once in a while I just pop in and out.

It seems to me that almost every of your posts on nairaland is laced with hatred and licentious/libellious  statements

about Servants of God which to me luks like the rantings of a very frustrated young/old man. If you are frustrated with

the Christian faith then keep it to your self, you are not the only one that can read or educated so I believe am speaking

on behalf of a lot of nairalanders - kip ur hatred and frustration to your self or better still turn to God for solutions to

your many problems (if dr r any?).

Am expecting you as u've always done to others who have challenged or opposed your ideas to reply in ur usual manner to this my rejoinder to U - that is run ur mouth with no sense or sensibility at all.

Well I have said mine and I only hope my Stream of wisdom will be able to fill your Ocean of Foolishness though pitfully I

doubt it cos the Bible says "the way of the cross is like foolishness to some people" and am very sure the bible had your

type in mind when that verse was wriiten.

Stay Blessed.