true2god:
Islam is little more than a creed created by a criminal gang of thieves, rapists and murderers, to leech off the hard labor of others.”

Teempakguy:
muhammad did all these?

lies! i don't believe it!

give me the passages and let me go and check it myself.

lekankolade:


pls if I may ask, did any Muslim ever hold u from going to church? , did u even read your bible reach where he said "judge not so that you shall not be judged? ", I'm very sure dis your argument is not about how much you love Jesus but because of the hatred for another religion.......if everybody thinks d way u reason, d world would have been a hell.....me I don't fight for God, he fights for me

plappville:

To the bold. You are not a true muslim. You must kill to be one.

plappville:


To the bold. You are not a true muslim. You must kill to be one.

lekankolade:

If u said YES, the religion is not to blame neither the Prophet because have not see any verse in d Quran that support killing of innocent lives

A. From the Qur'an

1. "…We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul - unless for a soul[1] or for corruption [done] in the land[2] - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And, whoever saves one, it is as if he had saved mankind entirely." [Qur'an, 5:32]

This verse establishes the sanctity of life.

2. "…And do not kill the soul[3] which Allah has forbidden except by right…" [Qur'an, 6:151]

3. "And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden except by right. And whoever is killed unjustly, We have given his heir authority[4] but let him not exceed limits in [the matter of] taking life. Indeed, he has been supported [by the law]. " [Qur'an, 17:33].

4. "And [the believers are] those who do not invoke any deity with Allah, nor kill the soul which Allah has forbidden except by right, nor commit zina[5]." [Qur'an, 25:68]

This verse conveys the heinousness of unjustifiably taking a human life, and indicates that wrongful murder is close in enormity to shirk[6] and zina.

5. "And fight, in the path of Allah, those who fight you…" [Qur'an, 2:190]

This verse indicates that only those involved in combat are to be fought, which excludes non-combatants such as women, children and civilians; a regulation detailed further by narrations from the Sunnah, as mentioned in the following section.

6. "Among mankind is he whose speech impresses you in worldly life, and he calls Allah to witness as to what is in his heart, yet he is the fiercest of opponents. And, when he goes away, he strives throughout the land to cause corruption therein, and to destroy crops[7] and lives[8]. And Allah does not love corruption." [Qur'an, 2:204-5]

These verses indicate that wanton destruction and indiscriminate killing are tantamount to working mischief /corruption upon earth


B. From the Sunnah

Warning Against Causing Suffering Even To Animals

1. "A woman entered the Fire on account of a cat, which she tied up, neither feeding it, nor letting it eat [for itself] from the vermin of the earth, until it died, and as a result she entered the Fire [of Hell]."[9]

2. "Do not take something with a soul as a target."[10]

Another version says, "Ibn `Umar passed by some youths of Quraysh who had set up a bird and were shooting at it, giving any arrows which missed to the owner of the bird. Thereupon, Ibn `Umar said, "Allah curses the one who does this. Verily, the Messenger of Allah cursed the one who takes something with a soul as a target."[11]

Another version says, "The Messenger of Allah forbade taking something with a soul as a target."[12]

Another version says, "Allah curses the one who takes something with a soul as a target."[13]



Warning Against Wrongfully Taking Life.

3. "A Muslim remains in latitude concerning his religion as long as he does not take a life."[14]

4. "Avoid the seven ruinous [sins] … associating partners with Allah, sorcery, unrightfully taking life which Allah has prohibited, consuming riba, consuming the property of an orphan, fleeing on the day of marching [in battle], and accusing a chaste, oblivious believing woman of adultery."[15]



Specific Narrations Regulating Killing During War

5. Ribah ibn al-Rabi` al-Tamimi says, "We were with the Messenger of Allah in a battle. He saw people gathered, and then he saw a slain woman, whereupon he said, "This [woman] was not fighting!""[16]

Another version adds, "Thereupon, the Prophet objected to the killing of women and children."[17]

Another adds, "Catch up with Khalid and tell him: The Messenger of Allah commands you not to kill [women and] children, nor hired workers."[18]

6. Ibn `Abbas says: The Messenger of Allah, when dispatching his troops, would tell them, "….Do not behave treacherously, nor misappropriate war-booty, nor mutilate [those whom you kill], nor kill children, nor the people in cloisters."[19]

Another version contains, "…Do not kill a decrepit old man, nor a child, nor a youngster, nor a woman…"[20]

Another contains, "…Do not kill a woman, nor a child, nor an old, aged man…"[21]

Another contains, "Do not kill a child, nor a woman, nor an old man, nor obliterate a stream, nor cut a tree…"[22]

lekankolade:
there are three ways to source the answer to the question u pose;

1) from the mouth of those who know nothing about the true ISLAM(submission); but try so hard to discredit it even before   making thorough investigations regarding the true ISLAM(submission). these group usually are very prejudice, and therefore   will try by all means to malign that which they know nothing of. They are hell-bent on this ploy of theirs.

2) from the mouth of those who "claim" to be following the quran, while in reality they are not. these group are the most ardent  opposers of the truth that is glaringly clear in the Quran. how do u know these peopel? well, walk up to any "muslim", ask  him/her to give u the profession of faith(shahaadah) in ISLAM. they will do so, but not without putting Muhammad's name next to GOD's.  while the Qruan gives the profession of faith in(3:18). You find only GOD's name mentioned there, with no human entity added to it.

Also, ask them to tell you how they do their ablution, if it is anything different than what u find it the Quran(5:6), then these are the people i am talking about.Very easy!!!

3) from the mouth of those who without doubt, completely acknowledge that whatever is in the Quran is from the Creator of the  heavens and the earth, therefore, have no choice in following it's commandments.if u want to know such people, then visit:

www.submission.org or www.majidtucson.org or www.miralceof19.org



The answer:

Only a single verse of the Quran is sufficient to prove to any non-prejudice person that the Quran never endorsed the killing of any soul unjustly. In fact, it even preaches resorting to pardon whenever applicable, regardless of the severity of crime commited even by a criminal.

The QUranic truth:

     The Major Commandments

[6:151]  Say, "Come let me tell you what your Lord has really prohibited for you: You shall not set up idols besides Him. You shall honor your parents. You shall not kill your children from fear of poverty - we provide for you and for them. You shall not commit gross sins, obvious or hidden. You shall not kill - GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. These are His commandments to you, that you may understand."

As can be seen from the verse above the plain Quranic truth regarding Killing any soul unjustly. However, even with this, there are those who qoute verses of the Quran, and say that these verses incites Killing and hatred. Is this possible? Since the vers above(6:151) is so clear; it is then safe to make  two assumption on why these people(group 1 above) still claim that Quran preaches killing.

1) It's either they do not study the Quran carefully to understand it, as a consequence they make false assertions that are  non existent, or

2) they deliberately wish to cover the truth, by simply mis-quoting the Quran out of context and deceive the unwary observer.


which ever the case is, you be the judge. The verse above(6:151) should set precedence to your making your conclusion.

I will even augment it with a couple more verses, u then make your conclusion as u wish. I have no doubt in my mind that u will surely come to know, that these are lies and have nothing to do with the Quran.


A few more proofs:

Grossness of Murder

[17:33]  You shall not kill any person - for GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. If one is killed unjustly, then we give his heir authority to enforce justice. Thus, he shall not exceed the limits in avenging the murder; he will be helped.


[5:32] -, anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he murdered all the people. And anyone who spares a life, it shall be as if he spared the lives of all the people, -


And there are more where that came from. It's left for u to be the judge.


I challenge anybody,to prove contrary to the above Quranic truth, using the Quran alone and not the Criminal ISLAMIC sources(Hadiths, Qruanic exegesis by corrupt Mullas etc).



Tonie123 and d likes of u: this challenge is directed towards u mostly. I want u to show me from the Quran, verse by verse analysis(not copy paste) where it ever preached hatred towards christians, jews or even justifies the killing of any soul unjustly. I will then show u that u never truly read the Quran yourself. Before u accept such a challenge, i want u to firsly visit the websites i mentiond above. They may help u in proving me wrong.



"Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect."
Bible, 1 Peter 3:15

Demmzy15:
^^^^ Wallahi this guys are mad, especially the Yeebhoe flat'head above me

true2god:
[s]Your criminal and pedofile prophet is the mad one. Anyone that follows a mad man is also mad.[/s]

Demmzy15:

Your god Jesus died as a criminals, his god a pedophile impregnated Mary at the age of 12. She married another pedophile who was 90years, so you basically have described and exposed the Pauline cult. Flat'head!

basilico:


Jesus died to save us. Even Qur'an says he had no earthly father. Mohammed corpse has been eaten up by ants.
Demxxy you are the perfect personification of an inbred idiot.
potential terrorist.

Lol You're calling me a terrorist for no reason, we'll you're entitled to your opinion.

The same way The Prophet Muhammad is his grave, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, etc are also in their Graves too. You have no point!

madjnr:
- Flat out , the mother of believers Aisha
may Allah be pleased of her was NOT a child
. If they're going to deny reality and medical
sources saying so then as we say " ﺃﺯﻋﻞ ﻣﻊ
ﻧﻔﺴﻚ = Keep your upset-ness to yourself" .
And what's the big deal with the prophet
peace upon him being 50 years old anyway ?
2 - Muslims were forced out of their homes
and their properties were stolen . Those
caravans belonged to the thieves who stole
them . So let me get this straight : If I take
my stuff back from a thief I'm being a
criminal ?!
3 - A lie . ALL the sons of the prophet
peace upon him died at a young age . Zaid
may Allah be pleased of him was adopted .
Adoption in Islam doesn't make someone
your son neither physically or mentally or
anything there is ! And on the contrary to
what the liar says , the prophet peace upon
him made advice to him to be patient with his
wife and keep the house of marriage steady .
And the noble Quran testifies :
Quote
And [remember, O Muhammad], when you
said to the one on whom Allah bestowed
favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep
your wife and fear Allah ," while you
concealed within yourself that which Allah
is to disclose. And you feared the people,
while Allah has more right that you fear
Him. So when Zayd had no longer any
need for her, We married her to you in
order that there not be upon the
believers any discomfort concerning the
wives of their adopted sons when they no
longer have need of them. And ever is
the command of Allah accomplished.
4 - I don't know this narration . Either it's
true but the writer is interpreting it in a
perverted way -since they are all like that -
or it's not and in that case there is nothing
to begin with . And tell them to actually
bring sources next time .
5 - This ............................. Fine , I won't
dirty my mouth for the likes of such fools .
The writer seems to forget that the prophet
peace upon him used to lead most of those
battles and even fight in the vanguard . Find
me one emperor who does that . The
companions put the life of the prophet peace
upon him before their own . That's called
love . They loved truth and did everything
they could to spread it . And if this ignorant
individual actually read Hadith and history
they'd find out that the companions used to
be shielded be him . He was the bravest of
all peace upon him :
Quote
A) Anas reported that the Prophet, may
Allah bless him and grant him peace, was
the best of people, the most generous of
people and most courageous of people.
One night the people of Madina were
alarmed by a noise and the people went
towards its source. The Prophet, may
Allah bless him and grant him peace, met
them, having already reached the source
of the noise before them and he was
saying, "Do not be alarmed. Do not be
alarmed." He was riding a horse belonging
to Abu Talha without a saddle and a
sword was hung around his neck. He
said, "I found it (the horse) like a great
river" or it was a great river (meaning
its speed).
B) I heard from Bara' who was asked
by a man from the Qais tribe: Did you
run away from the Messenger of Allah
( ﷺ ) on the Day of Hunain? Bara' said:
But the Messenger of Allah ( ﷺ ) did not
run away. On that day Banu Hawzzin
took part in the battle as archers (on
the side of the disbelievers). When we
attacked them, they retreated and we fell
upon the booty; (they rallied) and
advanced towards us with arrows. (At
that time) I saw the Messenger of Allah
( ﷺ ) riding on his white mule and Abu
Sufyan b. al-Harith was holding its bridle.
He (the Messenger of Allah was saying: I
am the Prophet. This is no untruth. I am
a descendant of 'Abd al-Muttalib.
But keep in mind that this courage was
paired up with wisdom and mercy . Now
when they talk about the pleasures of
paradise , what's the problem really ? EVERY
single human has desires including the sexual
ones . Only the old or the ill wouldn't . The
problem isn't to have lust , but the problem
is to let that lust take the most of your
time seeking to please it with no limits or
restrictions . That was far from the prophet
peace upon him . He was the most able
person to control one's desire .
Now let's flip the table and ask the writer :
If you're a Christian , what will you say
about whole chapters in your book talking
about lust with detailed description of the
female body ? What do you say about the
bold description of the size of the male
genitals ? The same would be said if you're
Jewish . And if you're an Atheist -
apparently not in this case - what right do
you have to object about anything while you
have no moral basis to know what's right or
wrong ? You can change your opinion about
something between one day and another
according to your belief .
So really , if your house is glass , don't
throw rocks on people .
6 - A BIG FAT LIE ! ALL the Jews of
Madinah committed treason against Muslims .
Two were banished and the fighters of the
third one were killed . Look on the
punishment of treason in any country will
ya ? The Jews of Quraizah committed the
highest level of treason as they cornered
Muslims from behind in an attempt to
annihilate them all . So instead of the
crocodile tears and whining for Jews every
single time you open your mouths , look at
their acts of treachery wherever and
whenever they go . And I will say it straight
out : I CARE LESS ABOUT THE SO
CALLED HOLOCAUST . If it's true - and I
doubt it - then it doesn't matter that much .
More numbers were probably killed of other
groups but no one seems to mind it except
when it comes to the dear and innocent Jews
. The people of Africa were enslaved and
killed , the rightful owners of the American
lands were annihilated and so is the case with
Australia . Muslims are being mass murdered
everywhere by disbelievers and the dogs of
the disbelievers . But no one cares apparently
. That's the foul and filthy hypocrisy which I
despise .
7 - See point six ( And you probably read it
as "sex" ) .
8 - The narration is straight out fabricated
and deemed so by a scholar after another .
And even if true , that woman was inflaming
war and causing disorder to the nation . Just
see what happens to whoever calls for
Nazism or Fascism now . And "Criticize" my
foot ! There's a difference between criticism
and plain "filth" . Try to see what would
happen if I say " Yo momma's fat" to the
British queen for example . Forget that .
Look what will happen if I say it to a judge
at court . You really love to rant about
freedom whenever you want to puke filth
about Islam . But once something you hold
dear - such as the freedom to do whatever
the [peeeeep] you want - is touched , you
go berserk . Look at the movie of "Expelled ,
no intelligence allowed" for instance .
9 - Although that the mentioned woman was
the same as the last one , the narration is
weak . And here's a hint , once you see the
name of "Al-Waqidy" in a narration , throw
it in the garbage as he is infamous for being
a liar and a fabricator . The same would be
said about "Abu Al-Faraj Al-Asfahany" .
10 - Yet again , the liars love to use any
fabricated and false narration .
11 - The writer - as any other Islamophobe
- is more ignorant than the sole of his shoe .

tonie123:



Very long post but I read it carefully, no need for insult, we are all civilised people... are are friends we are all learning here.... I have a few questions that I don't get... but before I ask I will like you to check all my previous post and try answering those questions.... just clear the air then I will ask you somethings I didn't get clear from your post.

Thanks

madjnr:


I will be glad if you can quote me then throw the question at me.... It will be much easier... I will open a thread for all your question.... Thank you

tonie123:


I think you should check and see the post I quoted, so you will understand it perfectly.

madjnr:


I have checked 'em... Pls put in form of a question... So i can refute

tonie123:


Lol.... oga sir, where ever there is a question mark... or better still all what I wrote if you think or know that it's not in line with the "islamic" view, kindly correct me with sources in the Quran... thanks

madjnr:



The only question i can find is whether Jesus is sinless

tonie123:



Whao our discussion have moved for "muhammed and the Quran" to "me and forgivness" and some jara insult..

Sir are you trying to say I am judging muhammed by the Questions I asked in my previous post?

Oga sir, we are not quarreling neither are we fighting.

I don't hate other religious,I can't because they are my brother and my sister.. i am from auchi in edo state, some of my family members are muslims some other are Christians and some other are "traditional worshippers"...our bond is by blood far stronger than religion, right?


on a bigger pix that includes you too... you are my brother,we are Africa's, we are blacks,we have common history and root.

I can't kill them because they are not practising my religion.. ..but my muslim brother is ready to slice my throat for not following his religion, as commanded my the Quran.... why?


And you ask if any muslim, have ever stopped me from going to church... figuratively I say YES!!!
If a jihadist bombs my church and slaughter my pastors.... oh yes!!! has stopped me fro going to church... look at the north it happens every sunday!!!

And lastly I am not fighting for God..... I am just asking questions, because I want to know.... answer them pls if you can.

tpiar:


eschew violence.

Annunaki:
MOSLIMS WHY MUHAMMAD IS NO PROPHET.THE END OF YOUR BULLSHIT CLAIMS.
Why Muhammad was not a prophet?
It is impossible that a man in his mid-54’s could engage in sexual intercourse with a nine-year-old child (Aysha), and be a prophet of G-d.
It is impossible that a man could finance his religious and political community by robbing the trade caravans that passed through his area on their annual trips between Arabia and Syria, and be a prophet of G-d.
It is impossible that a man could encourage his adopt son (Zeid) to divorce his wife (Zeinab) so that he, the father, could marry her, and be a prophet of G-d.
It is impossible that a man could lie to his wife (Hafsa) to get her out of the house so that he could sleep with the slave girl (Mariyah) he had given her as a gift, and be a prophet of G-d.
It is impossible that a man could call other men to follow him, and then watch them die one after the other in the battles he instigated to build his empire while giving them promises of the sexual Paradise with 72 virgins that awaited them, and be a prophet of G-d.
It is impossible that a man could behead three Jewish tribes men who had lived in his city for centuries for the simple reason they refused to accept him as their leader, and be a prophet of G-d.
It is impossible that a man could trade the Jewish wives and daughters of the men he had just beheaded for weapons and horses, and be a prophet of God.
It is impossible that a man could be so fearful of criticism that he would send a man at night to kill the mother of a nursing child because of the poems she had written against him, and be a prophet of G-d.
It is impossible that a man could sentence a woman to death by having her limbs attached to camels that moved in opposite direction pulling her apart, then behead her and parade her severed head through Medina, and be a prophet of G-d.
It is impossible that a man could torture a young Jewish tribal leader to death to obtain his money, and then "marry" his 17-year old widow (Safiya) the same night, and be a prophet of G-d.
It is impossible that a man could allow his followers to have sex with their female slaves as well as their prisoners of war, whether or not they were married, and be a prophet of G-d. Peace.

Source: facebook

Blackfire:



he can be a prophet , but the question is , prophet of what?

lekankolade:
Did Holy Prophet Muhammad commit sin?
We will often find Christians taking a lot of pain to prove that
Prophet Muhammad was not sinless and Prophet Jesus was so.
Indeed all the Prophets including, Jesus and Muhammad, peace be
upon them both, were sinless and at times some mistakes made
by them were not sins as such. In the following lines we do explain
the whole thing and expose another Christian lie.

INDEED ALLAH KNOWS THE BEST !!!

Anas09:
Tartar have u finished ur secondry school yet? And how's the treatment for that ur depression going?
Ifeann helped U to see who ur so called prophet truelly was, instead of denouncing him and be bcome free, you dived into depression. The revelation is too disheartening right.
Calm down, don't get a seizure for a dead pedophile. He's gone, he won't come back.