Yemi a beautiful young girl in her early 6 was recently diagonised of low blood count (Myelosuppression) in her system, this has persisted for years until the finding, doctors held meeting because never of such has ever been witnessed in their yrs of experience/practice

after the meeting, they came to conclude that the only remedy to her sickness was a simple blood transfusion said Dr.Chima (Brave-stone Hospital),  a huge sighs of relief blow up in the room in the face of everyone except Yemi's parents,sadly the parents remembered the religious dangers of BLOOD TRANSFUSION, the bad news was that on the 13th of may, 2009, little yemi died

according to the bible:

Leviticus 17:14

14 because the life of every creature is its blood. That is why I have said to the Israelites, "You must not eat the blood of any creature, because the life of every creature is its blood; anyone who eats it must be cut off."
NIV

scriptures shows that humans life (emotions, characters, nature etc) are all embedded in the blood of the human, meaning if there should be any transfusion, the receiver will directly and unavoidably get all the traits of the donor, which viewing from religious background has lots if spritual implications and consequences


my question:

if you were in the shoes of yemi's parents would you agree to a BLOOD TRANSFUSION?

Tragic waste of life due to ignorance and a misunderstanding of scripture.

The bible is so much more than black and white and religious superstition. They should have prayed and given the girl a transfusion. Its cases like this that gives non-religious heads the stones to insult religion.

We had a case like that a few years ago,also involved a little girl.
Our attending had to take the girl,lock her in the office and transfused her. . .needless to say her parents thanked ''jehovah'' for the miraculous healing and didn't fail to share the ''testimony'' with whoever gave a shit. . . Headless morons.

JeSoul:

Tragic waste of life due to ignorance and a misunderstanding of scripture.

The bible is so much more than black and white and religious superstition. They should have[b] prayed and given the girl a transfusion[/b]. Its cases like this that gives non-religious heads the stones to insult religion.

If prayer works I don't think you would have ever advised them to pray and give the girl a blood transfusion. Why give her blood transfusion when prayers is supposed to "work wonders"? doesn't the bible say that prayer alone is enough?

bindex:

If prayer works I don't think you would have ever advised them to pray and give the girl a blood transfusion. Why give her blood transfusion when prayers is supposed to "work wonders"? doesn't the bible say that prayer alone is enough?

No it doesn't, thou speakest of what thou knowest not.

Read the bible, again. When God told people to have faith, whenever Jesus taught about belief in God, whenever we see a declaration of faith, it is always accompanied by an action.

Christianity & the bible teaches to pray and act. Not just pray as some falsely insinuate.

@Jesoul

the question is would YOU accept such if you were the one in the position of the lil girl? if yes, are you saying agreeing you would accept the donor's character traits, nature that no doubt flows thru the same donor's blood? which is no doubt what the holy bible talks about in that same lev. 17

@jesoul
didn't god say ''if any be sick amongst you,let him go to the church elders that they might lay hands on him''?
Why the prayer and medication? If god wanted you to take drugs,why didn't he prescribe panadol and aspirin for you in the bible. Yet you rely on the works of science but reject their findings when they question creation. Such HYPOCRISY.

tonye-t:

@Jesoul

the question is would YOU accept such if you were the one in the position of the lil girl? if yes, are you saying agreeing you would accept the donor's character traits, nature that no doubt flows thru the same donor's blood? which is no doubt what the holy bible talks about in that same lev. 17

 Well lets look at what the bible says in Lev 17:14
The life of every creature is in its blood. That is why I have said to the people of Israel, ‘You must never eat or drink blood, for the life of any creature is in its blood.’ So whoever consumes blood will be cut off from the community.

 There are several problems in trying to apply this verse to the blood transfusion situation:

1. This is a ceremonial law of the OT that we are no longer bound by as christians today.
2. This instance is one of eating or drinking the blood, very very very different from transfusing to save a person's life.
3. Where does it hint that a persons 'character' or 'trait' or 'nature' is coded in their blood?

  I had a friend who did a blood transfusion to save her life years ago. She was skinny as a pole prior to it but the person's blood she was given obviously had a much different make up because she became borderline overweight in just a few months.
  Now if you say a person's blood carries AIDS or any other bloodborne disease then obviously such can be passed on from donor to the acceptor then I'll agree 100% with you. But certainly not their character or trait. One of my close friends just had a liver transplanted into her few months ago . . . so far I don't think she's taken on her donor's character.

So my short answer: Yes. I will certainly do a transfusion if God-forbid I ever needed it. And I would pray that it would be successful and that any disease or negative in the donors blood would not be passed on to me.

JeSoul:

 No it doesn't, thou speakest of what thou knowest not.

Read the bible, again. When God told people to have faith, whenever Jesus taught about belief in God, whenever we see a declaration of faith, it is always accompanied by an action.
 
 Christianity & the bible teaches to pray and act. Not just pray as some falsely insinuate.

JeSoul my best Christian on Niaraland.  . I knoweth very much what I speak. I don't believe that you have put it correctly when you say when ever there is a declaration of faith in the bible it is always accompanied by action.

I tell you the truth, if you have[b] faith and do not doubt[/b], not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. Matthew 21:21:

Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. Mark 11:24:

"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father. Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified in the Son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it.

These verses do not talk about any action at all, all it says is that Christians should have faith, believe and whatever they ask for through prayers, it shall be given to them.

bindex:

If prayer works I don't think you would have ever advised them to pray and give the girl a blood transfusion. Why give her blood transfusion when prayers is supposed to "work wonders"? doesn't the bible say that prayer alone is enough?

Really? Why then did Paul ask Timothy to take medicine for his stomach?

How do you people make up all these lies?

Tùdor:

@jesoul
didn't god say ''if any be sick amongst you,let him go to the church elders that they might lay hands on him''?
Why the prayer and medication? If god wanted you to take drugs,why didn't he prescribe panadol and aspirin for you in the bible. Yet you rely on the works of science but reject their findings when they question creation. Such HYPOCRISY.

  If you're going to start your dicussion from a preconcieved, ill-formed and apparently unchangeable bias then I must say I'm sorry someone else will have to indulge you cos of such I decline to be a participant. Cheers.

davidylan:

Really? Why then did Paul ask Timothy to take medicine for his stomach?

How do you people make up all these lies?

I was just about to quote that verse. Thank you.

tonye-t:

@Jesoul

the question is would YOU accept such if you were the one in the position of the lil girl? if yes, are you saying agreeing you would accept the donor's character traits, nature that no doubt flows thru the same donor's blood? which is no doubt what the holy bible talks about in that same lev. 17

I'm sorry, its a new day but permit me to call this the daftest post i ever read in a long time.

How can blood carry donor "character traits" and "nature"? Did Lev 17 really say that? Here is what it said - Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

Now that is not the same as the character traits being in the blood. It simply agrees with the clearly medical FACT that blood is the life of the body. If you were to lose a mere 20% of your blood volume you WILL go into hypovolemic shock and die.

@Jesoul,

i watched a program one time on CBN, and there was this woman who did a blood tansfusion and prior to the operation she was a well known introvert, but after the whole stuff, she soon became a well talkative and exhibited all the traits of an extrovert, and mr.victor oladukun (TV presenter) asked the medical practitioner present there abt the whole thing abt character, nature and all that, and the answer from the doctor were in the affirmative (he agreed)

so i really think that b4 you start aggreeing u must first understand the full composites of the HUMAN blood and how it operates

bindex:

JeSoul my best Christian on Niaraland .

  Emi ke?   I am flattered  

I knoweth very much what I speak. I don't believe that you have put it correctly when you say when ever there is a declaration of faith in the bible it is always accompanied by action.

   It started with Abraham the father of faith. He picked up his tents and moved when God told him there was a land far away and all thru the scriptures. Show me an instance of faith divorced from action brotha?

These verses do not talk about any action at all, all it says is that Christians should have faith, believe and whatever they ask for through prayers, it shall be given to them.

"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father. Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified in the Son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it.

 lol . . . scripture verses do not stand alone the same way you don't read chapter 12 in an intro to chemistry textbook while skipping the previous and following chapters. The bible is replete with commands to act and pray. This verse is just one that encourages us to have faith and ask God when we need help, it doesn't say sit on ur behind while you're asking and do nuthin.

davidylan:

I'm sorry, its a new day but permit me to call this the daftest post i ever read in a long time.

How can blood carry donor "character traits" and "nature"? Did Lev 17 really say that? Here is what it said - Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

Now that is not the same as the character traits being in the blood. It simply agrees with the clearly medical FACT that blood is the life of the body. If you were to lose a mere 20% of your blood volume you WILL go into hypovolemic shock and die.

My friend Davidylan,

before we start saying a post is dumb or not, y dont we just go back and study the full composites of the HUMAN BLOOD, if you do, you wont be so quick to react with insult

davidylan:

I'm sorry, its a new day but permit me to call this the daftest post i ever read in a long time.

How can blood carry donor "character traits" and "nature"? Did Lev 17 really say that? Here is what it said - Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

Now that is not the same as the character traits being in the blood. It simply agrees with the clearly medical FACT that blood is the life of the body. If you were to lose a mere 20% of your blood volume you WILL go into hypovolemic shock and die.

Utter rubbish.  The blood like many of our other organs (heart, liver, kidney, brain, lungs, etc, etc) is a vital organ for "higher" animals.  But does it mean that it carries the LIFE of the organism?  How about organism that life but do not have blood?  Where do they get their LIFE from?

tonye-t:

@Jesoul,

i watched a program one time on CBN, and there was this woman who did a blood tansfusion and prior to the operation she was a well known introvert, but after the whole stuff, she soon became a well talkative and exhibited all the traits of an extrovert, and mr.victor oladukun (TV presenter) asked the medical practitioner present there abt the whole thing abt character, nature and all that, and the answer from the doctor were in the affirmative (he agreed)

so i really think that b4 you start aggreeing u must first understand the full composites of the HUMAN blood and how it operates

DO YOU? that is the first question.

What does blood contain? why is it in the body? why dont we just have water or serum running in our veins?

1. Blood does not carry traits . . . genes do. Red blood cells which make up close to 99% of the cellular content of blood is one of the very few cells which are anucleate when they mature. They dont carry genetic material.

2. Your RBCs last at most 60 days after which they are broken down and disposed off by the body. Your body renews the cellular composition of blood (red and white blood cells) from your own bone marrow NOT from donor blood. So its impossible for you to inherit traits from blood donations.

Do you atheists read at all?

tonye-t:

@Jesoul,

i watched a program one time on CBN, and there was this woman who did a blood tansfusion and prior to the operation she was a well known introvert, but after the whole stuff, she soon became a well talkative and exhibited all the traits of an extrovert, and mr.victor oladukun (TV presenter) asked the medical practitioner present there abt the whole thing abt character, nature and all that, and the answer from the doctor were in the affirmative (he agreed)

so i really think that b4 you start aggreeing u must first understand the full composites of the HUMAN blood and how it operates

  Okpari! don't you know you must never believe anything you watch on CBN?
And who's to say her transformation is not just simply becos she's been at the brink of death and now has a new lease and take on life? hence her character change?

huxley2:

Utter rubbish.  The blood like many of our other organs (heart, liver, kidney, brain, lungs, etc, etc) is a vital organ.  But does it mean that it carries the LIFE of the organism?  How about organism that life but do not have blood?  Where do they get their LIFE from?

What a serious shame.

It is true that blood is just one of the organs in the body . . . but it IS THE MOST IMPORTANT. without blood your other organs are as good as useless.

1. When blood clots in any artery of the heart, the muscles supplied by that particular artery die almost immediately and is what you know as a heart attack (myocardial infarction). Depending on the severity of the muscles involved, you could die.

2. A brain aneurysm (blood loss from a burst artery in the brain) is one of the fastest and silent killers known.

3. Without blood, your brain can only survive no more than 4 minutes as it requires oxygen to survive. Once you're brain dead you're as good as gone.

4. Try cutting your wrist and draining only 10-15% of your blood . . . if you survive without medical attention then come back here to tell us that blood is not the life of the body.

Ignorant blowhards.

huxley2:

Utter rubbish.  The blood like many of our other organs (heart, liver, kidney, brain, lungs, etc, etc) is a vital organ for "higher" animals.  But does it mean that it carries the LIFE of the organism?  How about organism that life but do not have blood?  Where do they get their LIFE from?

This is totally irrelevant. Lev 17 was not talking about ALL organisms but specifically about organisms that have blood.

Trust these goons to not understand what they whine about.

davidylan:

What a serious shame.

It is true that blood is just one of the organs in the body . . . but it IS THE MOST IMPORTANT. without blood your other organs are as good as useless.

1. When blood clots in any artery of the heart, the muscles supplied by that particular artery die almost immediately and is what you know as a heart attack (myocardial infarction). Depending on the severity of the muscles involved, you could die.

2. A brain aneurysm (blood loss from a burst artery in the brain) is one of the fastest and silent killers known.

3. Without blood, your brain can only survive no more than 4 minutes as it requires oxygen to survive. Once you're brain dead you're as good as gone.

4. Try cutting your wrist and draining only 10-15% of your blood . . . if you survive without medical attention then come back here to tell us that blood is not the life of the body.

I NEVER denied any of the above.  Yes, blood is one of the organs (or tissues) that allows LIFE,  but it is NOT LIFE  for life exists in many forms without blood.   For "higher" lifeforms blood is absolutely vital,  but for other forms of life it is not and they have managed to survived for billions of years without it.

huxley2:

I NEVER denied any of the above.  Yes, blood is one of the organs (or tissues) that allows LIFE,  but it is NOT LIFE  for life exists in many forms without blood.   For "higher" lifeforms blood is absolutely vital,  but for other forms of life it is not and they have managed to survived for billions of years without it.

I repeat .  . Lev 17 wasnt talking about those lifeforms, it was specific about animals with blood that the Jews would kill for food. For them, blood is the life of the body.

you're off the rails with your rant.

@Davidylan,

sorry you are contradicting yourself heavily

you quoted vs.11 of Lev.17 and it says something like this "For the life of the flesh is in the blood"

i'll ask you some few questions and expect your answers

1. without NATURE can LIFE be classified?

what makes you and I different is simply our blood makeups which regulates the so-called genetics in us

2. what happens if one receives a blood from an EPILEPTIC/ HIV  patient into yours, what happens to the persons NATURE , do they still look the same, or dont tell me you dont understand the meaning of the word NATURE

3. who in the bible did a BLOOD TRANSFUSION, or did the Bible says we can do such?
" remember there is a way that always seems right but the end is destruction"- Prov.


if God was in support of transfusion dont you think that my God would have advised such from His manual for Human living (the Bible)


go back and read the full history of BLOOD TRANSFUSION and come back calmer. . . chao


^{and incase you dnt know, am no athiest}

davidylan:

I repeat .  . Lev 17 wasnt talking about those lifeforms, it was specific about animals with blood that the Jews would kill for food. For them, blood is the life of the body.

you're off the rails with your rant.

Granted, but let us see what you said earlier;

davidylan:

I'm sorry, its a new day but permit me to call this the daftest post i ever read in a long time.

How can blood carry donor "character traits" and "nature"? Did Lev 17 really say that? Here is what it said - Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

Now that is not the same as the character traits being in the blood. It simply agrees with the clearly medical FACT that blood is the life of the body. If you were to lose a mere 20% of your blood volume you WILL go into hypovolemic shock and die.

You appear to disgree that "blood carries the donor character traits and nature", but you agree that life is in the blood, by quoting Lev 17.  Is this really true?

If the donor's character traits and nature are NOT in his blood,  is his life in his blood?   Which component of his blood carried his life?  The white cell, red cells, plasma, etc, etc?  How much of it is necessary to "carry his life".

In a blood transfusion center, is every container of blood a sample of someone's life, or a proportion of someone's life in the container?   What if blood of the same type are mixed together, do you get a multi-personality blood?

Paul told timothy to take medication for his stomach coz he's a liar and a mighty hypocrite.
How can james a supposed 'disciple' (with the holy spirt too) who was there first hand when jesus made all his promises and all about picking scorpions and serpents,faith and all that.
If it didn't work for james the disciple weeks or months after jesus left, what hope is there for you 2000 years later?

davidylan:

What a serious shame.

It is true that blood is just one of the organs in the body . . . but it IS THE MOST IMPORTANT. without blood your other organs are as good as useless.

Without your heart, a single organ who acts as a pump,your blood is useless.

tonye-t:

@Davidylan,

sorry you are contradicting yourself heavily

you quoted vs.11 of Lev.17 and it says something like this "For the life of the flesh is in the blood"

i'll ask you some few questions and expect your answers

1. without NATURE can LIFE be classified?

I have no idea what that means . . . but lets do a simple experiment - drain 40% of the blood in your body, then ask us what your nature is like if you're still conscious enough to breath.

tonye-t:

what makes you and I different i[b]s simply our blood makeups which regulates the so-called genetics in us[/b]

I'd recommend you skip over to wikipedia real quick because a 5 yr old would laugh at this.

1. Heritable traits are passed down in germline cells not somatic cells (which is what the white and RBCs in your blood would be).

2. Blood is 99% RBCs . . . they are anucleate - in layman's language, they have no nucleus and no genetic material.

3. Your blood does not regulate your genetics, it just cant! I mean for you to say this just makes whatever else you meant to say not worthy of reading.

tonye-t:

2. what happens if one receives a blood from an EPILEPTIC/ HIV  patient into yours, what happens to the persons NATURE , do they still look the same, or dont tell me you dont understand the meaning of the word NATURE

If you recieve blood from an HIV patient, the viruses present in the blood can get transfered to you. Now blood from an epileptic patient cannot transfer epilepsy to you. epilepsy is a brain disorder, it is not transmitted in blood.

tonye-t:

if God was in support of transfusion dont you think that my God would have advised such from His manual for Human living (the Bible)

God said nothing about malaria, do you mean he didnt want us to take chloroquinne tablets to get well?

tonye-t:

go back and read the full history of BLOOD TRANSFUSION and come back calmer. . . chao

Its meaningless, you even know much less about blood than i do and you're telling me to go and read? how laughable.

tonye-t:


^{and incase you dnt know, am no athiest}

Better, because you'd be disgracing atheists.

huxley2:

You appear to disgree that "blood carries the donor character traits and nature", but you agree that life is in the blood, by quoting Lev 17.  Is this really true?

If the donor's character traits and nature are NOT in his blood,  is his life in his blood?   Which component of his blood carried his life?  The white cell, red cells, plasma, etc, etc?  How much of it is necessary to "carry his life".

In a blood transfusion center, is every container of blood a sample of someone's life, or a proportion of someone's life in the container?   What if blood of the same type are mixed together, do you get a multi-personality blood?

I have no idea why this is still a problem. Blood is the life of the body in one sense - if there were no blood in you there'd be no life in you . . . i.e. you'd be dead in less than 2 mins. It doesnt mean that the essence of your nature is in the blood. It simply means that you ABSOLUTELY require blood to continue surviving in your mortal body.
Do you need to lose blood to understand this?

Horus:

Without your heart, a single organ who acts as a pump,your blood is useless.

The heart serves one important purpose - to pump blood through the body. You can replace a heart with a pump, you can live with a defective heart using a pacemaker but you cant replace your blood and live another 2 yrs. you cant live with leukamia and survive another 5 yrs. your heart is important but you can do without it . . . you cant do without blood.

Do i have to bring out an elementary book to point this out to you?

Tùdor:

Paul told james to take medication for his stomach coz he's a liar and a mighty hypocrite.
How can james a supposed 'disciple' (with the holy spirt too) who was there first hand when jesus made all his promises and all about picking scorpions and serpents,faith and all that.
If it didn't work for james the disciple weeks or months after jesus left, what hope is there for you 2000 years later?

you're already a liar yourself . . . it was timothy not james.

Try again.

@jesoul
everybody comes here with a preconcieved and 'apparently' unchangeable bias. Key word APPARENT.
You can't tell me you logged in here with the thought of being converted to islam. . .so stop being hypocritical.
If you can't answer a question,nobody crucifies you.

The heart serves one important purpose - to pump blood through the body. You can replace a heart with a pump, you can live with a defective heart using a pacemaker but you cant replace your blood and live another 2 yrs. you cant live with leukamia and survive another 5 yrs. your heart is important but you can do without it . . . you cant do without blood.

Do i have to bring out an elementary book to point this out to you?

But even if it is artificial heart you still need a Heart to act as a pump for your blood.
Do i have to bring out an elementary book to point this out to you?

davidylan:

I have no idea why this is still a problem. Blood is the life of the body in one sense - if there were no blood in you there'd be no life in you . . . i.e. you'd be dead in less than 2 mins. It doesnt mean that the essence of your nature is in the blood. It simply means that you ABSOLUTELY require blood to continue surviving in your mortal body.
Do you need to lose blood to understand this?

The heart serves one important purpose - to pump blood through the body. You can replace a heart with a pump, you can live with a defective heart using a pacemaker but you cant replace your blood and live another 2 yrs. you cant live with leukamia and survive another 5 yrs. your heart is important but you can do without it . . . you cant do without blood.

Do i have to bring out an elementary book to point this out to you?

Well, you are running away from the comment which is at the root of the debate;  and it is Lev 17:

davidylan:

I'm sorry, its a new day but permit me to call this the daftest post i ever read in a long time.

How can blood carry donor "character traits" and "nature"? Did Lev 17 really say that? Here is what it said - Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

Now that is not the same as the character traits being in the blood. It simply agrees with the clearly medical FACT that blood is the life of the body. If you were to lose a mere 20% of your blood volume you WILL go into hypovolemic shock and die.

Is the life of the flesh is in the blood: ?  Is this statement true?  Whereabout in the blood tissue is the LIFE?  That is what we want answers to,  Davidylan.