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Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by RICHIEBOI1(m): 2:36pm On Jun 02, 2009
Recently,the Governor of the 19 States in Northern Nigeria issued a statement via the Niger State Governor Dr. Babangida Alihu,saying they dont need Niger Delta oil to survive.How true is this statement?Put more succinctly,can the North(as it is now)live without the Petro-dollar from the Niger Delta oil?Let's get ur objective views on this? plz make constructive critism.
Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by grafikdon: 3:54pm On Jun 02, 2009
Yes, they can.
Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by freed(m): 3:55pm On Jun 02, 2009
they cant! PARASITES
Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by strangleyo: 10:15pm On Jun 02, 2009
Back in the 60s they could.

But now I don't think any state, north or south is prepared to live without Niger Delta oil.
Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by Nobody: 10:27pm On Jun 02, 2009
I don't think the North necessarily benefits from the oil in the Delta

Rather the Northern Elite has been the beneficiaries and as such have benefited even more than anybody from Oloibiri in the Bayelsa village where oil was first discovered.

I believe the greatest tragedy of the situation is that the South has been unable to isolate the Northern Elite from the ordinary Northerner.
The Northern Elite is nothing without the ordinary Northerner, and so long as the ordinary Northerner who suffers as much from poverty as those in the South do not realise that they are just being exploited by their own Elite Class, the Northern Elite will continue to hold the Nation hostage.

All we ask of the Elite Notherners is to Educate their own people and stop exploiting them.
Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by blacksta(m): 10:31pm On Jun 02, 2009
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Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by asha80(m): 10:36pm On Jun 02, 2009
mikeansy:

I don't think the North necessarily benefits from the oil in the Delta

Rather the Northern Elite has been the beneficiaries and as such have benefited even more than anybody from Oloibiri in the Bayelsa village where oil was first discovered.

I[b] believe the greatest tragedy of the situation is that the South has been unable to isolate the Northern Elite from the ordinary Northerner.
The Northern Elite is nothing without the ordinary Northerner, and so long as the ordinary Northerner who suffers as much from poverty as those in the South do not realise that they are just being exploited by their own Elite Class,[/b] the Northern Elite will continue to hold the Nation hostage.

All we ask of the Elite Notherners is to Educate their own people and stop exploiting them.


Gbam!!!
Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by savanaha: 10:40pm On Jun 02, 2009
mikeansy:

I don't think the North necessarily benefits from the oil in the Delta

Rather the Northern Elite has been the beneficiaries and as such have benefited even more than anybody from Oloibiri in the Bayelsa village where oil was first discovered.

I believe the greatest tragedy of the situation is that the South has been unable to isolate the Northern Elite from the ordinary Northerner.
The Northern Elite is nothing without the ordinary Northerner, and so long as the ordinary Northerner who suffers as much from poverty as those in the South do not realise that they are just being exploited by their own Elite Class, the Northern Elite will continue to hold the Nation hostage.

All we ask of the Elite Notherners is to Educate their own people and stop exploiting them.

But then if they become educated then they will know that they are being exploited by their wealthier supposed brothers in which case things will surely fall apart for the elites. Its kind of how the slave masters prevented slaves from becoming literate. If the oppressed becomes enlightened then they will see the true face of their oppressors
Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by SapeleGuy: 10:42pm On Jun 02, 2009
mikeansy:

I don't think the North necessarily benefits from the oil in the Delta

Rather the Northern Elite has been the beneficiaries and as such have benefited even more than anybody from Oloibiri in the Bayelsa village where oil was first discovered.

I believe the greatest tragedy of the situation is that the South has been unable to isolate the Northern Elite from the ordinary Northerner.
The Northern Elite is nothing without the ordinary Northerner, and so long as the ordinary Northerner who suffers as much from poverty as those in the South do not realise that they are just being exploited by their own Elite Class, the Northern Elite will continue to hold the Nation hostage.

All we ask of the Elite Notherners is to Educate their own people and stop exploiting them.

Spot on.  That ethnic card is the only bond the elite have with the masses. However, I just can't understand why other resources are not being exploited, it just doesn't make sense.
Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by Nobody: 10:46pm On Jun 02, 2009
savanaha:

But then if they become educated then they will know that they are being exploited by their wealthier supposed brothers in which case things will surely fall apart for the elites. Its kind of how the slave masters prevented slaves from becoming literate. If the oppressed becomes enlightened then they will see the true face of their oppressors

Absolutely!!!

This is why we need to redefine the political narative so that the disidents in the North will know that they have allies in the South

When we speak of the North as a monolith of people who should be feared because of their language or religion, we simply unite them into fighting some unhelpful tribal wranglings instead of seeking to build concensus with those in the South who are beaten by our poverty stricken Nation.

I served in the North for one year . . . . . there are all kinds of people in the North . . . . . even those who like bling.

We have failed to capture such dissident ideologies to help move the country foward . . . . . every society needs a healthy debate to move forward . . . .and there is no divergent opinion right now in the North.

OBASANJO tried to empower independent thinkers in the North . . . . .but when it mattered most selfishness did not allow him . . . .his worst part prevailed which is why we have a Yar'adua today
Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by savanaha: 11:02pm On Jun 02, 2009
mikeansy:

Absolutely!!!

This is why we need to redefine the political narative so that the disidents in the North will know that they have allies

When we speak of the North as a monolith of people who should be feared because of their language or religion, we simply unite them into fighting some unhelpful tribal wranglings instead of seeking to build concensus with those in the South who are beaten by our poverty stricken Nation.

I served in the North for one year . . . . . there are all kinds of people in the North . . . . . even those who like bling.

We have failed to capture such dissident ideologies to help move the country foward . . . . . every society needs a healthy debate to move forward . . . .and there is no divergent opinion right now in the North.

OBASANJO tried to empower independent thinkers in the North . . . . .but when it mattered most selfishness did not allow him . . . .his worst part prevailed which is why we have a Yar'adua today
I don't think WE are the only ones that sees the North, I think the North have their own way they see us
Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by MrCrackles(m): 11:06pm On Jun 02, 2009
Topic

I think so!
Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by SapeleGuy: 11:10pm On Jun 02, 2009
MrCrackles:

Topic

I think so!

Where will their revenue come from?
Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by No2Atheism(m): 3:18am On Jun 03, 2009
SapeleGuy:

Spot on.  That ethnic card is the only bond the elite have with the masses. However, I just can't understand why other resources are not being exploited, it just doesn't make sense.

1. LMAO LOL LOL  grin grin grin grin grin

2. The other resources are being exploited seriously sef:

- nigeria is producing raw minerals
- nigeria is producing natural gas

The only reason you are not hearing about it is because it is not part of the budget , hence the money being obtained through those sale of mineral and natural gas is simply going into the pocket of Ruling/Corrupt Elite and the collaborating Western Nations.
Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by savanaha: 3:21am On Jun 03, 2009
No2Atheism:

1. LMAO LOL LOL grin grin grin grin grin

2. The other resources are being exploited seriously sef:

- nigeria is produce raw minerals
- nigeria is producing natural gas

The only reason you are not hearing about it is because it is not part of the budget , hence t[b]he money being obtained through those sale of mineral and natural gas is simply going into the pocket of Ruling and Corrupt Elite and the collaborating Western Nations.[/b]

Please educate them
Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by Pataki: 9:27am On Jun 03, 2009
Is this the first time, the North would be saying they can survive without Niger-Delta oil? What are they hoping to rely on? Their nomadic way of life? undecided
Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by aronkymega: 11:27am On Jun 03, 2009
The allocation being given to the northern states where is derived from.If the FG stops adding oil revenue to the northern states allocation.What will they get?Its a very big lie that they an survive without oil revenue.
Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by ezeagu(m): 11:32am On Jun 03, 2009
I hope it runs out. I hope Ghana's oil is better because we're obviously not together enough to deal with the oil.
Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by deuce(f): 11:40am On Jun 03, 2009
of course they can survive without Niger Delta oil because they've stollen enough of it through their well placed sons , built a working refinery even and spent billions sending pipes from the delta to the north to build standard reserves. all they need now is for their millitary to finish off the peoples of the delta and then there shall be enough fertalizer to go round.
Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by oludashmi(f): 12:09pm On Jun 03, 2009
SapeleGuy:

Where will their revenue come from?

It will come from the former before the discovery of oil. It is because our government is not being faithful about annual agricultural budgets that we still find ourselves in this mess. If the same effort, focus and aggression invested in oil is diverted into agriculture within few years, we will be telling a different story.
Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by Nezan(m): 12:14pm On Jun 03, 2009
Points of correction:

1. Northerners can live without oil money. Do you know that the Agric. resources we harness in Naija comes mainly from the North?, talk of yams, cereals, cows/goats etc, without oil, all these resources will be able to sustain the North.

2. It is not the Northern Elites that benefit mainly from the NigerDelta oil. All those politicians from the South, including OBJ, NigerDelta Governors (with they 13% derivation) including militants (or kidnappers/bunkerers) benefits mostly from the oil. Take away oil from the NigerDelta and they are gone,,,,,,shikena!!!
Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by anwo247: 1:12pm On Jun 03, 2009
If the Northern governors think they can survive, they should write open letter(media) to the president asking him not to include oil revenue in the allocation. They all should sign so that no litigation will stand on their waiver.

For now, even with the oil allocation, the North is still not surviving let alone when the money is removed. Their tax revenue is very slow. I have not heard of any grant from Saudi or anywhere. Technology is not there. Birth control is not there. Education is lowest in the North. The social environment may not outrightly welcome a non-muslims foreigner.

I dont know what they mean by survival. maybe a Normadic live again in this 21st century.
Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by Nobody: 1:17pm On Jun 03, 2009
folks chill, Nuclear Energy is the future

The last time I checked the Uranium deposits in Nigeria are not necessarily in the Niger-Delta

There is no North vs South as far as this issue is concerned

the true war is between those who are well-off vs those who are not.
Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by stmanpule(m): 1:21pm On Jun 03, 2009
But Nigeria was surviving before the discovery of crude oil
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Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by ziga: 1:27pm On Jun 03, 2009
It might initially be hard like a crack addict, but it definately CAN. And like somebody pointed out, the north is not the problem, its all of our leaders. If you go up north, you will see poverty, lack of education, lack of good health. They are suffering up there.

Nigerians, we love to worship this oil. And if we all continue to think like this, we wont get very far. we wont see anything truly the way it is.
Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by boladonas(m): 1:34pm On Jun 03, 2009
mikeansy:

folks chill, Nuclear Energy is the future

The last time I checked the Uranium deposits in Nigeria are not necessarily in the Niger-Delta

There is no North vs South as far as this issue is concerned

the true war is between those who are well-off vs those who are not.
[size=8pt][font=Lucida Sans Unicode]Thanks for thinking right. I am truly impressed to hear on this forum someone who knows d direction of the struggle of the future.

@poster, So long as there is politics to be played, the north will always survive!!!
South and East will never agree with themselves and the northerners are behind it!!![/font][/size]
Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by Pennywise(m): 1:43pm On Jun 03, 2009
Yes they can if they are ready to retire (without benefit) 96-98% of their public/civil servant pop and then return to an agrarian/nomadic existence. Allahu akbar.
Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by IFELEKE(m): 1:50pm On Jun 03, 2009
Personally, I think the question that should be asked is ''Can Nigeria Survive without The Niger-Delta Oil?
All the region were ok in their own diverse ways before the discovery of crude but reverse is now the case as we are all heavily dependent on petro dollars.
In my Opinion, All regions will be hit if the oil wells dry up today.
Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by lagerwhenindoubt(m): 2:26pm On Jun 03, 2009
the answer should be obvious by now, in the old days, the question was, what if Nigerian oil should dry up today, how would we survive. but then people will quickly snip, there,s the groundnut pyramids and cocoa plantations and ororo and fruits, and as our one-time 2nd republic politician on minerals and agriculture (minerals like fanta and sprite are plenty plenty)

These days, the fear is how soon will the world's major energy consumers find OPECs oil and pricing antics un-attractive (Russia and Brazil already filled in a huge shortage gap left OPECs cuts in production aimed at jerkin up the price). with global economic conditions; crude price is bound to drop further. so here is what will likely happen, if it is not happening as we speak.

1: FG will borrow like a yoruba man preparing for the funeral of his great-grand mother (no intention of paying back whatsoever)
2: Reduce funding interests in failing public institutions (NEPA, NIPOST, NITEL, NFF etc)
3: accelerate the rate of corruption by 50% DSP Alams built the fence inner/outer of his state house for N4Billion, Oshiomole is building 2 goverment houses for N6billion with N2billion for sand-filling, Iin EDO STATE shocked N1billion shy of what UAC property bought 1004 flats,
4: increase in high-profile kidnappings for ransom
5: increase in blood-money related killings
6: increase in un-abated crime in populated areas

Nigeria go survive as we always have, look to God for answers.

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Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by BobbyJ1: 2:35pm On Jun 03, 2009
i think they cant because they have always ived on it and will always live on it.
Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by Redman44(m): 3:32pm On Jun 03, 2009
The North can do without the oil from the Niger-Delta if only they can convert their Agricultural produce into finished products. What obtains now is that the people of the North do not have the intellectual know how of plunging into Industrialization. Dangote is only interested in doing things for himself and not the whole North. The Northern elite will continue to depend on oil grants because they don't want the commoners to be liberated. Industrialization and Modernity fosters deep thinking and the Northern elite dont want their people to start asking questions.
Re: Can The North Survive Without The Niger-delta Oil? by echezz: 5:20pm On Jun 03, 2009
Before the discovery of oil and when the country was in zones, each zone developed at their own pace with their peculiar products. The north was known for their groundnut pyramids, the west by their cocoa production and the east had a lot of palm produce. The discovery of oil however, evaporated these agricultural efforts and consequently propelled people to go for white collar jobs. This is the beginning of Nigeria's woes.
I think every zone can still survive 'without' the oil. Necessity is the mother of invention, whenever the oil is no longer forthcoming, everybody will go back to the drawing board.
But until then, no zone can ignore the black gold. I rest my case!

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