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Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by manmacho: 3:00pm On Jan 11, 2016 |
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Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by Nobody: 3:03pm On Jan 11, 2016 |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by LadunaI(m): 5:14pm On Jan 11, 2016 |
parisbookaddict: What an excellent quotes but with great verbose! Now coming to your point. Do you know that marriage with Aisha(ra) was NOT just ordinary?. Beside, do you know that the first wife of Holy prophet was 15 years older than him?. You and your like mind weigh things from stand point of your polluted mind never read the meaning or wisdom behind all those actions. The kind of knowledge learned through Aisha (ra) from holy Prophet was just too great to mention. Have you ever for sometime,ponder nowadays how teenage girls in Europe or Arab nation is compare with their Africa counterpart? such is your mediocre knowledge. No doubt the Quranic verse quoted above give the principle of dealing with "stubborn" wifes so to say, but is there any hadith have you ever seen where Holy Prophet or his closet companion ever beat their wife? your myopic thinking wouldn't let you see beyond what you are looking for in reading such hadith in the first place i.e looking for what use to support your purported allegations. Now coming to the points has expounded in the holy Quranic regarding the truth nature of things and I want you to pay attention to them all because you're fond of quoting from it. "Say (O Muhammad): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and that which was vouchsafed unto Moses and Jesus and the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered." [/i]Q3:84 This is what Holy prophet brought to the world confirming all the prophets before him and unifying their message from the same sources, is that a liar in your estimation? [i] And when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah hath chosen thee and made thee pure, and hath preferred thee above (all) the women of creation. [/i]Q3:42 This was the what Holy Prophet said about Mary, mother of Jesus (as), as revealed to him by Allah, an accolade never giving to his mother or any of his relation. Does that portend a false prophet to you or your pagan ego would not let you see his truthfulness?. [i]O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender. [/i]Q4:171 That's a beautiful warning and the real status of Jesus (as) as revealed by Allah. If you like take it if you refuse ofcourse you will surely be question about it on the last day. another one here: [i]O People of the Scripture! Why disbelieve ye in the revelations of Allah, when ye (yourselves) bear witness (to their truth)? O People of the Scripture! Why confound ye truth with falsehood and knowingly conceal the truth? Q3:70-71 Also: And they say: None entereth paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian. These are their own desires. Say: Bring your proof (of what ye state) if ye are truthful.[/i]Q2:111 Lastly, I want you to know this that, here is glad tiding verse on one hand for you, and a stern warning on the other hand for YOU and your cohort regarding the message of holy prophet(saw). [i] Those unto whom We gave the Scripture before it, they believe in it, And when it is recited unto them, they say: We believe in it. Lo! it is the Truth from our Lord. Lo! even before it we were of those who surrender (unto Him). These will be given their reward twice over, because they are steadfast and repel evil with good, and spend of that wherewith We have provided them,[/i]Q28:53 and lastly: [i]Lo! those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings. Q98:6 Peace unto those that follow guidance. |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by LadunaI(m): 5:36pm On Jan 11, 2016 |
truthman2012: Infact I dont know how exactly I should reply you, because you seems to be perambulating on the same point.However, the above post is sufficient for you and your like minds. Know this for certain the TRUE PERFECTION BELONG TO ALLAH ALONE. and of course HE protected HIS prophets and messengers from such a silly sins, mistakes and absent mindedness of HIS presence that a peculiar to humankind. Have you ever ponder why Jew REJECTED Jesus then and even NOW? is because of their religious bigot that prevented them from seen the ILLUMINATION AND LIGHT brought by Jesus (as). If you don't know is the same DISEASE in the heart of Jews that make them rejected Jesus (as) that what is been exemplified by YOU and your cohort to reject Prophet Muhammed (saw). As your hatred boils so also the Jews in their thinking feel they are doing GOD's WILL regarding Jesus(as). Alas how people failed to LEARN FROM HISTORY!! Peace be upon those who follow guidance. |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by clefstone(m): 5:47pm On Jan 11, 2016 |
manmacho:My friend, what is the 'word of God'? Was there no word of God before the bible. Read your bible very well and you will find out that Jesus never commissioned the bible, rather, he commissioned the apostles and gave them authority. The authority of the bible arises from apostolic authority. Therefore, as much as the bible has authority, it doesn't have sole authority as the 'word of God'. The traditions of the Church is apostolic since it has been followed by the Apostles and/or their successors. For example, the so called 'white wedding' isn't biblical, it's the Church's tradition. |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by manmacho: 6:08pm On Jan 11, 2016 |
clefstone: all you have mentioned are men tradition, the scriptures we have today are spirit breathed and good for DOCTRINE, INSTRUCTION CORRECTION AND REPROOF THAT THE MAN OF GOD MAY BE PERFECT 2 timothy 3:16 please quote scripture to buttress your point is the only language i understand |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by truthman2012(m): 6:34pm On Jan 11, 2016 |
LadunaI: Something is wrong somewhere if allahh said Muhammad was a sinner and needed to ask for forgiveness and Muhammad himself confessed he was a past, present and future sinner and you said they were lying. Smh!!! |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by olasesi(m): 7:10pm On Jan 11, 2016 |
truthman2012: ...so Moses, Jesus and other prophets that worked wonders were superhumans And they say, "We will not believe you until you break open for us from the ground a spring. (90) Or [until] you have a garden of palm tress and grapes and make rivers gush forth within them in force [and abundance] (91) Or you make the heaven fall upon us in fragments as you have claimed or you bring Allah and the angels before [us] (92) Or you have a house of gold or you ascend into the sky. And [even then], we will not believe in your ascension until you bring down to us a book we may read." Say, "Exalted is my Lord! Was I ever but a human messenger?" (93) Al-Isra 17:90-93 [Sahih International] And nothing has prevented Us from sending signs except that the former peoples denied them. And We gave Thamud the she-camel as a visible sign, but they wronged her. And We send not the signs except as a warning. (59) Al-Isra 17:59 [Sahih International] And they swear by Allah their strongest oaths that if a sign came to them, they would surely believe in it. Say, "The signs are only with Allah." And what will make you perceive that even if a sign came, they would not believe. (109) Al-An'am 7:109 [Sahih International] The Hour has come near, and the moon has split [in two]. (1) Al-Qamar 54:1 [Sahih International] Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 208: Narrated by Anas bin Malik The people of Mecca asked Allah's Apostle to show them a miracle. So he showed them the moon split in two halves between which they saw the Hiram' mountain. He also told me that this is confirmed in the Quran And they say, "Why is a sign not sent down to him from his Lord?" So say, "The unseen is only for Allah [to administer], so wait; indeed, I am with you among those who wait." (20) Yunus 10:20 [sahih International] And they say, "Why has a sign not been sent down to him from his Lord?" Say, "Indeed, Allah is Able to send down a sign, but most of them do not know." (37) Al-Anam 6:37 [Sahih International] And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah. And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allah. And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers. (49) Al-Imran 3:49 [Sahih International] ... Summary All miracles were by God's permission and timing (e.g Moses didn't even know the miracle he will be given. The time or space neither) Miracles were not default to the prophets (e.g Moses didn't choose the miracles by himself) They could'nt perform ALL or ANY miracle(e.g Moses couldn't even heal his tongue of the impediment except by God and likewise, Jesus couldnt create multiple gods by his will or anything that crossed his mind ) Muhammed has clearly performed miracles before. |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by leksbore(m): 11:39pm On Jan 11, 2016 |
wat about David n Solomon, y r u saying Mohammed 9yrs old? David DAT killed his officer n got married to his wife but still yet God Almighty still called him a man after my heart...Guys let's leave this issue for God ,,,we r just made from clay ,we know nothing of the past or future. |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by manmacho: 7:57am On Jan 12, 2016 |
leksbore: Sir, you did not mention the part where God told him that the sword will never depart from his house and that did child of the affair was killed by God. Bro. if you sin there are consequences. that is why you flog your child though you love him 1 Like |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by leksbore(m): 8:16am On Jan 12, 2016 |
manmacho:I guess this should have answered the questions of the OP why Mohammed was asking for forgiveness,,,,,,humans are bound to commit sin and its for God to forgive the sin. |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by manmacho: 8:29am On Jan 12, 2016 |
leksbore: are you saying we should continue to sin and hope that we would be forgiven God forgives but God is also a God of Justice - brother there are consequences for Sin. human beings are bound to commit sin and bound to hell; the consequence of sin. How do you explain it, i forgive you for sin i no you are going to commit again, No No No a thousand times no what man needs is redemption from sin not forgiveness, and this you can only have through Christ Jesus |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by leksbore(m): 8:45am On Jan 12, 2016 |
manmacho:are you now saying because of Jesus Christ you have been redeemed from sin and you don't sin again. See let me tell you something brother as long as you are in this flesh you will continue to commit sin and ask for forgiveness all the time. and stop saying Jesus Christ has redeem you from sin..even Jesus Christ in the bible said it in the lord prayer forgive us our trespasses. Human being are bound to commit sin till we will die and If you ask for forgiveness God will forgive you but not that you say you have been redeemed from sin. As you are don't you commit sin ,,even apostle Paul said it all have sinned and come short of the glory of God... |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by oglalasioux(m): 8:58am On Jan 12, 2016 |
It's people like the OP that start religious fundamentalism. This is a very offensive post and I hope the moderators will delete it ASAP. We Africans are very stupid. Instead of looking for ways to better ourselves we'll be using religion to cause disaffection in the society. 1 Like |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by oglalasioux(m): 9:04am On Jan 12, 2016 |
truthman2012: You and your religion that is causing disaffection in the society are big time fakes. Tell me the difference between you and Shekau. You'll be the one that will first condemn Boko haram bombings but you are here doing worse. For Africa to develop all religion must be scrapped. Bunch of misguided bigots. |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by manmacho: 9:42am On Jan 12, 2016 |
leksbore: Are you saying because God forgives sin we should continue to sin and hope to be forgiven since we are only human even in human setting as remorseful as an arm robber may be in judgement they still must face the wrath of the law every soul that sin shall surely die. Redemption is Christ saving us from the nature of the flesh which is easily dispose to sin. this is the only time you can have power over sin -Rom 6 14 YOUR QUOTE - NOT THE BOLD (ROMANS 3 22-27) for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who [b]justifies those who have faith in Jesus |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by leksbore(m): 9:52am On Jan 12, 2016 |
manmacho:all you have to say is if you sin ask for forgiveness but pls don't make it an habit |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by manmacho: 9:57am On Jan 12, 2016 |
leksbore: Sir, you are already addicted to sin, is the nature you carry. all your life you have been committing one sin or the other so it is already an habit you just have different way of showing it. the truth is that you can never stop sinning without accepting the redemptive work of Christ Jesus. you need to be saved from the body of sin so that sin will not continue to conquer you. |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by leksbore(m): 10:08am On Jan 12, 2016 |
manmacho:me addicted to sin lol u make me laugh,,if only you know what you are saying. u know what really pains me about some Christians like u, is that you believe that you people are clean,holy and pure and so quick to judge people |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by manmacho: 10:17am On Jan 12, 2016 |
leksbore: Don't misquote me my boosting is not in what i did or not do is what the power of God is doing through me. you claimed your self that you are human and are prone to sin, that is why am saying you are addicted because you do it every time. in as much you hate to do it but because of the weakness of your flesh you could not do otherwise the solution is what jesus christ offers. you cannot continue to sin and hope that grace will abound God forbid. romans 6 1-2 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? YOU CAN BE DEAD TO SIN THROUGH THE REDEMPTIVE WORK OF JESUS CHRIST |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by leksbore(m): 11:41am On Jan 12, 2016 |
manmacho:I guess you can never commit sin again? is that Right? |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by manmacho: 12:26pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
leksbore: 1 john 3 1-10 7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister. when Christians sin, their fellowship with God is broken. They are still part of His family. They simply need to ask for forgiveness. Their way back into fellowship is found in First John 1:9: “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” When we do this, we once again stand in the presence of God as though we had never done wrong. When a child of God sins, he breaks fellowship with the Father but he does not break relationship. MY POINT IS THAT FORGIVENESS IS ONLY AVAILABLE TO THOSE WHO HAVE RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUTSIDE OF THIS RELATIONSHIP WHAT YOU NEED IS REDEMPTION (SALVATION FROM SIN THROUGH CHRIST JESUS) THAT IS WHAT BRINGS YOU INTO RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD AND ENTITLES YOU TO FORGIVENESS IN CASE YOU MISTAKENLY FALL INTO SIN An example of this is when a husband and wife quarrel. They don’t break their relationship—they are still married. However, they have broken their fellowship, and they need to ask one another for forgiveness. I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND I APPRECIATE YOUR MATURE RESPONSE |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by yazach: 8:36pm On Jan 14, 2016 |
truthman2012: I can't believe you are still displaying and wallowing in your dindinrin posts |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by babajeje123(m): 7:40am On Jan 15, 2016 |
LadunaI:In as much as I don't like getting myself into religion issues, your response here has forced me to do so. I will ask you some questions which I want you to answer sincerely. 1. If a man wants to marry your 9 year old daughter, how will you view him? 2. He he goes ahead to rape her (God forbid), what will be your reaction and how will you want to handle the case? 3. If eventually the man turns a new life and claims he believes in God and starts preaching, will you believe his message? I want your candid answers and that would inform my next write up. 1 Like |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by LadunaI(m): 12:25pm On Jan 16, 2016 |
babajeje123: You see I would have answer your question directly and point blank, but I would not because, if from all the write up above, argument and counter argument your only concern and preoccupation is finding the idea behind marrying 9 year girl even after elucidating it to some extent, then I don't have time for frivoluos discuss. Come out with theological or fundamental question that will broaden my worldview or any reader of this discussio, not baseless question that reflect your mediocrity. Beside, is it not the same line of thinking you are following now, the Jew took against Jesus (as) dragging on none issue like Jesus (as) touching a prostititute? which lead to their complete blindness and failure to accept the truth. So, I wouldn't be surprised if you spend the whole of your time arguing about this issue and consequently blindfold you from seeing/accepting the truth. Lastly, the above quoted verses in reply to @parisbookaddicts should be enough for you. Ponder over it , and if you've any question then ask and that will inform my next write up. Peace be upon those that follow guidance. |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by Barbiekhadyjarh: 4:47pm On Jan 16, 2016 |
Y can't we all tolerate each others religion? u don't ve to criticise... stop acting like EDUCATED ILLITERATES. |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by Annunaki(m): 7:05pm On Jan 16, 2016 |
Barbiekhadyjarh: The problem lies in the eternal words of the quote(quoran 9:29-30) that tells muslims to fight christians and jews. Intolerance has been instructed in the islamic religion, the rest of us are just reacting to protect our own. |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by orisa37: 11:55am On Jan 17, 2016 |
Mohammed did and he got Islam. And that was a great miracle. 1 Like |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by babajeje123(m): 10:10am On Jan 18, 2016 |
LadunaI: You have just said nothing and your response is senseless. I was trying to ask you simple questions that don't require critical thinking and yet, because you have some religious veil covering your brain, you couldn't answer them. Don't worry, I will help you. If all those allegations leveled against your prophet are true, then his followers are doomed, including my Aunties, Uncles and in-laws that are following him. I am not judging him as you claimed,but what I'm saying is that a rapist and a sexually perverted man is not worthy to be followed. His words are to be taken as pinch of salt as he only preaches what he doesn't do. Woe betides such a man! 1 Like |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by LadunaI(m): 11:18am On Jan 18, 2016 |
babajeje123: Stinks of egoism and barbaric response. How on earth you are asking a foolish question calling it simple,while already filled with prejudice. You and ur type don't deserve attention at all, but sometimes need to be answered. If you want an honest answer as serious minded do, then, go do unbias research with an open mind on it. Lastly, how pathetic you and your likes state will be on day judgment when your stupidity and ignorant will not be of availed to you of eternal woe that will betides you, because of rejecting the truth prophet of God. Peace on those that follow guidance. |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by babajeje123(m): 12:28pm On Jan 18, 2016 |
LadunaI: I reject a rapist as a true prophet of God by fire in Jesus' Name, Amen 1 Like |
Re: Why Muhammad Could Not Do Miracles by LadunaI(m): 12:45pm On Jan 18, 2016 |
babajeje123: Ten of thousands of your rejection and rebuke does not change the truth to lie, but the consequences of what you post/ allege against the true prophet await you in afterlife and importantly the day of jugement unless. .. |
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