This thread is created to get some understanding from yazak from this thread...

https://www.nairaland.com/2903407/churches-turned-into-mosques/2#42708930

i ask yazak this question

Promise10 are you convince to conbert now? or you wan disect the above...

But yazak me i wan ask one question ... Is mohammed inevitably now in hell fire as decreed by his master allahh and it cannot be abrogated?

After he obliged me, i modified the question thus

First of all WHAT Allah has SPOKEN in the KORAN, CANNOT be abrogated by NO ONE?

Secondly, YOU agree that Mohammed and ALL muslims are servants/SLAVE of Allah!

update: Does Allah need ears to hear, mouth to speak like man? (please add this as part of my question, thanks)

And i agree by his rules which was fair enough

now you can ask your question but on the following conditions
1- we stay on one topic at a time, this will prevent dodging tactics that some Christians use

2- To avoid copy paste and lengthy sentences, let us limit our response to 10 lines at a time

3- You will not abuse whom I hold esteem and vice versa

you can as well add your own rules

you can also create another thread to avoid disturbances

Peace on the follower of guidance

So yazak, the above bolded is my question for you...

Yazach can I ask my own small kweshun as well?

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annunaki2:
Yazach can I ask my own small kweshun as well?

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You even laugh at the end because you know you can never ever make sense

yazach:
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You even laugh at the end because you know you can never ever make sense

Nope, my kweshun will be very simple and straight forward. And I am being very polite so I don't derail this thread.

yazach:
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You even laugh at the end because you know you can never ever make sense

Please na, I won't insult or say anything that is not true about your prophet. Just simple kweshuns

Why do i have the feeling that the annunaki guy is not even a xtian

carinmom:
Why do i have the feeling that the annunaki guy is not even a xtian

Maybe he is a 'pagan'

annunaki2:


Maybe he is a 'pagan'

Haba, i thought as much

unphilaz:
This thread is created to get some understanding from yazak from this thread...

https://www.nairaland.com/2903407/churches-turned-into-mosques/2#42708930

i ask yazak this question


After he obliged me, i modified the question thus




And i agree by his rules which was fair enough



So yazak, the above bolded is my question for you...

Please can you abide by rule 1?

So take one topic at a time and let us start with it

Peace on followers of righteous path

My proposition regarding this debate InshAllah

1. Stay on topic. Any sources , quotes etc. Must be shown to have a direct correlation to the topic @ hand.

2. Avoid Generalizations and Hyperbole

We often resort to generalizing and exaggerating when we don’t have enough information to make a strong case for something. Some of us do it out of habit. Some of us do it when we are angry. Whenever you catch yourself using extreme labels or making broad statements, stop to check that there’s a verifiable source behind the claim.

It may be difficult to quantify your personal experiences or opinions with facts and sources. That’s okay. Do not present opinions as though they are facts.

3.Always Assume You Are Addressing a Group with Mixed Religions

Some of us are so invested in our own religion and social values, we forget that the world is full of differing opinions. Sometimes we believe in a religion so earnestly, we assume that all other rational people must also feel the same way. This is a big mistake—especially in a an online discussion forum.

Some views are deeply ingrained and very passionately defended. Before you start to speak (or type) in bold, black-and-white terms, remember that you might be addressing someone who disagrees with your opinion. This shouldn’t prevent you from sharing your thoughts, but it should give you pause and dissuade you from using dismissive, disrespectful language.

4. Give Reasons to Support Your Opinions

5.Argue Issues, Not Personal Scores

When a question is asked , the one answering should have time to formulate an answer, it may not come immediately.

Questions MUST be clear and concise, and 1 @ a time.

meixili:
My proposition regarding this debate InshAllah

1. Stay on topic. Any sources , quotes etc. Must be shown to have a direct correlation to the topic @ hand.

2. Avoid Generalizations and Hyperbole

We often resort to generalizing and exaggerating when we don’t have enough information to make a strong case for something. Some of us do it out of habit. Some of us do it when we are angry. Whenever you catch yourself using extreme labels or making broad statements, stop to check that there’s a verifiable source behind the claim.

It may be difficult to quantify your personal experiences or opinions with facts and sources. That’s okay. Do not present opinions as though they are facts.

3.Always Assume You Are Addressing a Group with Mixed Religions

Some of us are so invested in our own religion and social values, we forget that the world is full of differing opinions. Sometimes we believe in a religion so earnestly, we assume that all other rational people must also feel the same way. This is a big mistake—especially in a an online discussion forum.

Some views are deeply ingrained and very passionately defended. Before you start to speak (or type) in bold, black-and-white terms, remember that you might be addressing someone who disagrees with your opinion. This shouldn’t prevent you from sharing your thoughts, but it should give you pause and dissuade you from using dismissive, disrespectful language.

4. Give Reasons to Support Your Opinions

5.Argue Issues, Not Personal Scores

When a question is asked , the one answering should have time to formulate an answer, it may not come immediately.

Questions MUST be clear and concise, and 1 @ a time.

Very nice.

you can see that the op is already going out of track

as regards the first question, although it has been refuted many times, here is it once again, Q19:71 "there is not one of you but will pass over it(hell): this is with your lord; a decree which must be accomplished." the arabic wording used for the underlined is "illa waariduhakana a'la" meaning "but pass over it(hell)" not to enter it(hell) as you claim. Now lets read verse 70 that comes before 71, Q19:70"Then, verily we know best those who are most worthy of being burnt therein" which implies in verse 70 Allah is telling we (muslims) the believers that he knows best those that should be burnt, and 71 tells us that we muslims are not one of them, but we shall pass over it (hell), then who are best known by Allah to be burnt? lets read Q19:72"......and we shall leave the zaalimun[wrong doers, polytheist(e.g. trinitarians)] to their knees(in hell)" which implies the people to be burnt are wrong doers and polytheist but the true believers(muslims) shall pass over it!

lexiconkabir:
as regards the first question, although it has been refuted many times, here is it once again, Q19:71 "there is not one of you but will pass over it(hell): this is with your lord; a decree which must be accomplished." the arabic wording used for the underlined is "illa waariduhakana a'la" meaning "but pass over it(hell)" not to enter it(hell) as you claim. Now lets read verse 70 that comes before 71, Q19:70"Then, verily we know best those who are most worthy of being burnt therein" which implies in verse 70 Allah is telling we (muslims) the believers that he knows best those that should be burnt, and 71 tells us that we muslims are not one of them, but we shall pass over it (hell), then who are best known by Allah to be burnt? lets read Q19:72"......and we shall leave the zaalimun[wrong doers, polytheist(e.g. trinitarians)] to their knees(in hell)" which implies the people to be burnt are wrong doers and polytheist but the true believers(muslims) shall pass over it!

Jazzakumullahu khaira

I only want the op to follow the rule we agreed on because many christians use it as dodging tactic

yazach:


Jazzakumullahu khaira

I only want the op to follow the rule we agreed on because many christians use it as dodging tactic

wa iyakum! may Allah(s.w.t) THE ALL LOVING guide them aright before its too late.

As regards the second question check WHERE IS ALLAH?, now according to the 3rd chapter of the quran(suratul imran) verse 7, it tell us that in the Quran therein are verses that are clear and these clear verses are what islam is built on, the Quran also has verses that are allegorical, people that has disease in their hearts use these allegorical verses to misguide others, which this issue is one of it, so we use the clear verses to understand the allegorical ones, this is what the group that attributed hands, face, legs, etc to Allah fail to understand, by Allah! HE is above what is attributed to him. the thread is an interesting one, peruse it very well, read "for" and "against" thats how you learn. but i assure you, perusing the thread with clear mind, you will be convinced that Allah(s.w.t) is everywhere, attributing real hands, legs, face etc, to HIM is misguidance. goodluck!

yazach:


Jazzakumullahu khaira

I only want the op to follow the rule we agreed on because many christians use it as dodging tactic

Is that why you are dodging my questioning you

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annunaki2:


Is that why you are dodging my questioning you

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yazach:
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Chicken I know by now you are getting too ashamed of islam to continue defending the indefensible.

yazach:


Please can you abide by rule 1?

So take one topic at a time and let us start with it

Peace on followers of righteous path

ok waiting for you to start, the bolded is 1 thanks

First of all WHAT Allah has SPOKEN in the KORAN, CANNOT be abrogated by NO ONE?


Secondly, YOU agree that Mohammed and ALL muslims are servants/SLAVE of Allah!

update: Does Allah need ears to hear, mouth to speak like man? (please add this as part of my question, thanks)

meixili:
My proposition regarding this debate InshAllah

1. Stay on topic. Any sources , quotes etc. Must be shown to have a direct correlation to the topic @ hand.

2. Avoid Generalizations and Hyperbole

We often resort to generalizing and exaggerating when we don’t have enough information to make a strong case for something. Some of us do it out of habit. Some of us do it when we are angry. Whenever you catch yourself using extreme labels or making broad statements, stop to check that there’s a verifiable source behind the claim.

It may be difficult to quantify your personal experiences or opinions with facts and sources. That’s okay. Do not present opinions as though they are facts.

3.Always Assume You Are Addressing a Group with Mixed Religions

Some of us are so invested in our own religion and social values, we forget that the world is full of differing opinions. Sometimes we believe in a religion so earnestly, we assume that all other rational people must also feel the same way. This is a big mistake—especially in a an online discussion forum.

Some views are deeply ingrained and very passionately defended. Before you start to speak (or type) in bold, black-and-white terms, remember that you might be addressing someone who disagrees with your opinion. This shouldn’t prevent you from sharing your thoughts, but it should give you pause and dissuade you from using dismissive, disrespectful language.

4. Give Reasons to Support Your Opinions

5.Argue Issues, Not Personal Scores

When a question is asked , the one answering should have time to formulate an answer, it may not come immediately.

Questions MUST be clear and concise, and 1 @ a time.

Nice ... but as we are believers in one belief or the other... atheist however, who form that they have no belief, their comments are not welcomed.

lexiconkabir:
as regards the first question, although it has been refuted many times, here is it once again, Q19:71 "there is not one of you but will pass over it(hell): this is with your lord; a decree which must be accomplished." the arabic wording used for the underlined is "illa waariduhakana a'la" meaning "but pass over it(hell)" not to enter it(hell) as you claim. Now lets read verse 70 that comes before 71, Q19:70"Then, verily we know best those who are most worthy of being burnt therein" which implies in verse 70 Allah is telling we (muslims) the believers that he knows best those that should be burnt, and 71 tells us that we muslims are not one of them, but we shall pass over it (hell), then who are best known by Allah to be burnt? lets read Q19:72"......and we shall leave the zaalimun[wrong doers, polytheist(e.g. trinitarians)] to their knees(in hell)" which implies the people to be burnt are wrong doers and polytheist but the true believers(muslims) shall pass over it!

The first question is not the FIRST but the final after we have discussed the following

First of all WHAT Allah has SPOKEN in the KORAN, CANNOT be abrogated by NO ONE?

So Yazach, am waiting for you, clearly educate me with enough verses to that effect.

unphilaz:


The first question is not the FIRST but the final after we have discussed the following

First of all WHAT Allah has SPOKEN in the KORAN, CANNOT be abrogated by NO ONE?

So Yazach, am waiting for you, clearly educate me with enough verses to that effect.

Well, all i know is, i have answered the question on the alleged decree that Muslims will go to fire, so i dont think it should be part of the questions again.

unphilaz:


First of all WHAT Allah has SPOKEN in the KORAN, CANNOT be abrogated by NO ONE?

From your post, I don't think you have ask any question!!! So please what is the question and also, can you please state the verse of Qura'an you are quoting from.
Thanks

Salam,is it good to be using perfume as we know that it contained elthanol and can sb use cloth with such perfume to observe solat.

olajizz01:
Salam,is it good to be using perfume as we know that it contained elthanol

Wa alaykum salam! i am assuming you know that believing women are not allowed to wear perfume outside their homes. Alcohol is impermissible if and only if the consumer has the intention of drinking it, anything other than that, is permissible, by implication perfumes made from alcohol are permissible for usage since it cant be drunk

and can somebody use cloth with such perfume to observe solat.

yes you can pray with it, you have to note that, all unclean things are haram but not all haram constitutes of unclean things, pure Alcohol is clean(but haram for drinking) so the perfume made from it is also clean, and Allah accept things that are clean. salam!

lexiconkabir:
Wa alaykum salam! i am assuming you know that believing women are not allowed to wear perfume outside their homes. Alcohol is impermissible if and only if the consumer has the intention of drinking it, anything other than that, is permissible, by implication perfumes made from alcohol are permissible for usage since it cant be drunkyes you can pray with it, you have to note that, all unclean things are haram but not all haram constitutes of unclean things, pure Alcohol is clean(but haram for drinking) so the perfume made from it is also clean, and Allah accept things that are clean. salam!

Thanks.

@olajizz01, when next you have questions pertaining to islam, you can ask in this thread www.nairaland.com/1794405/islam-muslims-side-talk-station we have shuyukh(learned people) there to help you.

lexiconkabir:
@olajizz01, when next you have questions pertaining to islam, you can ask in this thread www.nairaland.com/1794405/islam-muslims-side-talk-station we have shuyukh(learned people) there to help you.

ok,thanks.

lexiconkabir:
@olajizz01, when next you have questions pertaining to islam, you can ask in this thread www.nairaland.com/1794405/islam-muslims-side-talk-station we have shuyukh(learned people) there to help you.

He can ask me as well, I am very learned about islam and would love to be of help.

annunaki2:


He can ask me as well, I am very learned about islam and would love to be of help.

i heard sth just of recent from one Alfa that when we are performing ablution,after we have washed our hands which is sunna,when we get to arms washing,he said that it's inside the Quran that we should wash our arms which is fardul to the hands that we have washed b4.

annunaki2:


He can ask me as well, I am very learned about islam and would love to be of help.

I can say it to a large of extent that you are not a christian as carinmom(i thought i was the only one that noticed) felt, you are just one of the agents of satan here on nairaland, i am saying this because of this moniker of yours "Annunaki" and the ignorance you display DELIBERATELY, if you dont reply this post, i will take it to mean that you perfectly understand what i mean, nevertheless, i will soon expose you. olajizz01 dont listen to this agent of shaytaan

annunaki2:


He can ask me as well, I am very learned about islam and would love to be of help.

I have gone through all the post,i innitially thought u are a muslim,i don't that u are intruder.