promisechuks:

Why are you so confused about Jesus?

Haven't you seen the verse that Jesus said so?

Whether he said it once or not, does it still change the fact that he is the son of God in flesh.

Jesus said: "before abraham, I am".

are you not son of God in flesh? if you truly know your bible, you will know you are...




and the Bible verse you quote is wrong

DeathStroke007:


is Jesus only from the human from above? where are you from? not from above? tsw

Nope I'm not from above, I'm of this world.

DeathStroke007:

and the translation of the I Am was mistranslated....

Nope the translation all good.

DeathStroke007:

that's the correct translation..

56. “Abraham, your father, was satisfied to see my Day, and he saw [it] and was delighted.” 57. The Jews said to him, “But you are not even fifty years [old] and [yet] you have seen Abraham?!” 58. Eashoa told them, “Amen, amen, I am telling you, if Abraham had never been born, I am [the One] who Comes [the Omnipresent Allaha]!”

quoted from Aramaic bible(Jesus own language)

A aramaic bible that was translated by using a Greek manuscript ? I really hoped this ain't that guy named Alex u were talking about some time ago, the Guy with no surname or degree or diploma or anything to qualify as a bible scholar.

DeathStroke007:


If Jesus was never born, I will still come onto this world... so by jesus saying if Abraham isn't born, him(jesus) will till come into this world as advocate, as prophet, as representative of Allah(God)

Jesus used I Am to contrast between Abraham's beginning with his lack of a beginning.

Here Jesus makes it again clear he always existed.

And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. (John 17:5)

Richirich713:


Nope I'm not from above, I'm of this world.



Nope the translation all good.




A aramaic bible that was translated by using a Greek manuscript ? I really hoped this ain't that guy named Alex u were talking about some time ago, the Guy with no surname or degree or diploma or anything to qualify as a bible scholar.




Jesus used I Am to contrast between Abraham's beginning with his lack of a beginning.

Here Jesus makes it again clear he always existed.

And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. (John 17:5)

God has glorified every single one of us before the world began... that's what we called destiny

Richirich713:


Nope I'm not from above, I'm of this world.



Nope the translation all good.




A aramaic bible that was translated by using a Greek manuscript ? I really hoped this ain't that guy named Alex u were talking about some time ago, the Guy with no surname or degree or diploma or anything to qualify as a bible scholar.




Jesus used I Am to contrast between Abraham's beginning with his lack of a beginning.

Here Jesus makes it again clear he always existed.

And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. (John 17:5)

you very funny , so you as a member of a tribe, you need degree to translate your own language to English? #lol#

In 2 Corinthians chapter 3 vs 6 says
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Which mean you can't interpret the bible with your own knowledge but with the knowledge given to you by the Holy Spirit, I don't argue with Muslims when they quote the bible because I know that they don't have the spiritual understanding

shut up and focus on your pedophile religion. Religion of bombers. that's why out of the ten most dangerous countries in the world, 9 are Muslim countries. You should be ashamed.

DeathStroke007:






you clearly know absolutely nothing about Bible..



all these topics have been treated on this forum..


just find it or Google search it and link it with nairaland

Amberon:
shut up and focus on your pedophile religion. Religion of bombers. that's why out of the ten most dangerous countries in the world, 9 are Muslim countries. You should be ashamed.

hypocrite

Keenysbojan:
In 2 Corinthians chapter 3 vs 6 says
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Which mean you can't interpret the bible with your own knowledge but with the knowledge given to you by the Holy Spirit, I don't argue with Muslims when they quote the bible because I know that they don't have the spiritual understanding

laughing.. last resort for Christians is holy spirit.. rubbish, holy spirit will make you understand the biography of prophets written by unknown people.. it's just an ordinary book...


#holy spirit wey dey on top Paul and he still get beheaded and beaten by Jews when he preached for them to dump the 10 commandments

DeathStroke007:





laughing.. last resort for Christians is holy spirit.. rubbish, holy spirit will make you understand the biography of prophets written by unknown people.. it's just an ordinary book...


#holy spirit wey dey on top Paul and he still get beheaded and beaten by Jews when he preached for them to dump the 10 commandments

Your dullness is out of measurement you still don't understand my saying

OYO lo wa

DeathStroke007:


you very funny , so you as a member of a tribe, you need degree to translate your own language to English? #lol#

This is now funny

U want me just to take some random dude on Google word and just accept it as long as it agrees with the Quran.

I don't know his surname or his knowledge of the bible.

I'm not even sure his name is Alex, in fact to think of it I think his name ain't Alex.

Richirich713:


This is now funny

U want me just to take some random dude on Google word and just accept it as long as it agrees with the Quran.

I don't know his surname or his knowledge of the bible.

I'm not even sure his name is Alex, in fact to think of it I think his name ain't Alex.

its your choice.. belief what you want.. I have explained the best I can .. you are on your owb

Richirich713:


This is now funny

U want me just to take some random dude on Google word and just accept it as long as it agrees with the Quran.

I don't know his surname or his knowledge of the bible.

I'm not even sure his name is Alex, in fact to think of it I think his name ain't Alex.

its your choice.. belief what you want.. I have explained the best I can .. you are on your own

Richirich713:


When Jesus had finished saying all these things, he said to his disciples, 2 “As you know, the Passover is two days away—and the Son of Man will be handed over to be crucified.” (Matthew 26:1-2)

And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots (Matthew 27:35)




I've seen the arguments for muhammad in the bible, I just ain't convince by them.

(1)was mattew a witness to the crucifixion?...............(2)was it even mattew that wrote the "book of mattew" you just quoted from?

you know not what hypocrisy is. Once again, focus on your pedophile.

DeathStroke007:



hypocrite

DeathStroke007:
Religion is supposed to be followed dogmatically because it's supposed to be from Creator, Your own or anybody opinion on any matter or issue in religion is IRRELEVANT. do you agree with me?






Since this religion /Christianity is based on Jesus / that means every single thing about this religion must come from Jesus teachings.... do you agree?





Now, the name of the religion.. Christianity.. people were called Christians long after Jesus Christ is #dead/arosen to his father /.... due to point number 1, the name Christianity is IRRELEVANT and we who truly follow Jesus should reject it..





Now on the issue Bible.. this book is like biography of prophets written by other people.. most of their writings are based on heresy.. non of the prophets supervised the contents in Bible to know maybe it's true or not.. but, in every heresy, there's always a little truth. This brings us to the deity of Jesus... In the Gospel according to mark or Mathew or Paul and others, IS THERE ANY WHERE IT WAS REPORTED THAT JESUS SAID I AM GOD, WORSHIP ME? absolutely no.. Jesus ain't God... and on the issue of Jesus as biological son of God, because of the word begotten and the circumstances surrounding his birth... David too was begotten son of God.. does that make him biological son of God? and on the circumstances surrounding the birth of jesus, go reach Malachi, the circumstances surrounding the existence is Malachi according to Bible is far greater than Jesus.. Malachi was never given birth to and he didn't die...





On the issue of Church as a place of worshipping God, did Jesus go church? absolutely no..




On the issue of mode of worshipping God, did Jesus dance, sing and collect tithe?? absolutely no..






On the issue of Jesus coming to this world to die for our sins... according to the historians Mathew, mark,Paul and so, where is it in the Bible that Jesus said I COME INTO THIS WORLD TO DIE FOR YOUR SINS?.... when Jesus first stated his reasons for existence, HE SAID I DIDN'T COME INTO THIS WORLD TO DESTROY THE COMMANDMENTS (MOSES) BUT TO FULFIL IT...





Paul who never knew or see Jesus, teaches every single things most Christians believe in today.....






it's your choice to believe what you want.... ..

A little advice to you, be careful with what you say! Don't let people be misled with your statement cos you will definitely be punished for it. God loves you plenty

@Richirich713, I await your answers to those two questions I asked.

Amyleb:
A little advice to you, be careful with what you say! Don't let people be misled with your statement cos you will definitely be punished for it. God loves you plenty

what more could be misleading than christianity itself?

lexiconkabir:
(1)was mattew a witness to the crucifixion?...............(2)was it even mattew that wrote the "book of mattew" you just quoted from?

There's no need for me to answer since I was responding to deathstroke claim that the bible doesn't say Jesus was crucified.

But anyway, Yes I believe Matthew was a witness and wrote the book of Matthew.

Richirich713:


There's no need for me to answer since I was responding to deathstroke claim that the bible doesn't say Jesus was crucified.

well, its advicable that you reply, because many people are viewing this thread, and might learn one or two things from you.

But anyway, Yes I believe Matthew was a witness

could you prove it?

and wrote the book of Matthew.

what if i proved you wrong?

^interesting

BETATRON:
^interesting

bro, good to see you! where have you been?

lexiconkabir:
(1)was mattew a witness to the crucifixion?...............(2)was it even mattew that wrote the "book of mattew" you just quoted from?

To both questions, my answer is YES! Take a taxi to this website (you are allowed to take pictures )
https://carm.org/when-were-gospels-written-and-by-whom

Having gone through the life of Muhammed your prophet, I can't believe in Islam. I don't believe God can use a man such as he. A man that married multiple of women and even married one for himself. Jesus did not write the Bible but some of His disciples did with the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Your prophet claim to receive the quran from God. SORRY I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT...

lexiconkabir:
bro, good to see you! where have you been?

sorry for the late response...they(nepa) just remembered to give us light

Been around just couldn't log in due to some reasons.."nepa is one "...hope you're doing fine brother

BETATRON:
sorry for the late response...they(nepa) just remembered to give us light

Been around just couldn't log in due to some reasons.."nepa is one "...hope you're doing fine brother

yea! how is school?

1st n for most Christianity is not a religion.Religion keeps u in bondage.It takes the Holy Spirit for one to believe in Jesus,for without Him one can live a lie all their life time.I once had a revelation of Jesus, the moment I saw Him riding on the clouds on a white horse with tens of thousands of people riding with him,instantly I knew who he was without any introduction (there is something God has put in our spirit that makes it that way)I also knew what the white horses n all those with Him meant there was no explanation given i just understood what it meant.I wasn't a Christian when this happened but was desirous of the truth( was a pagan then I felt I was a good person n my high moral standards will qualify me before Him,but I was wrong)From that vision I knew without a shadow of doubt that this world would end n Christ will return and those that are His will return with him in Glory.No matter how people argue back n front about the quaran or Bible,God has a plan a divine plan an eternal one that had been purposed in CHRIST that can't be broken that is already been played out(Many still dont know this and they think all they see is all there is)Our responsibility is to find out what that plan is and align your life to it.Be wise people, you don't want to be left behind.

lexiconkabir:
yea! how is school?

alhamdulilah

DeathStroke007:






am very happy with this verse... Jesus called himself son of man...#he's not biological son of God like Christians claims#



go read book of hebrew and psalm..


maa post the pictures xef

Chai! You see your problem?

Who told you that Jesus is God's biological son?

Sorry, you were misled!

Jesus is God's co-eternal son of God. He existed in yaweeh from the beginning.

DeathStroke007:
smh... Jesus called himself son of man, john called him son of God... which one will you believe?/tsw..

Please read this to let go of your ignorance

Please, free your mind to understand it easily.

Note: jesus is God made flesh, which means that he is 100% humanity and 100% divinity.

Humanity: referred himself to son of man, he wept, he was tempted, he ate and did everything man can do expect sin because he KNEW no sin, DID no sin and he HAD no sin in him.

Divinity:
1. he was born sinless.

Question: everybody is under the spell of sin except Jesus, why?

2. Born by the power of the holyspirit:
Everybody was born by man and woman, except adam and eve who was the first living man as there was no man before them, so they were created from DUST, which shows a clear difference.

Question: why was he born with no contact between joseph and mary, but by the power of God the holyspirit(the third in trinity), can you name a man that is universally accepted to be born of a virgin apart from jesus?

3. Prophecies made about him 800+ yrs before his birth was fulfilled. (You can raise proofs to disprove this).

Isaiah 7:14 (NIV):
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The
virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son,
and will call him Immanuel(meaning GOD WITH US)

Micah 5:1-2 (NIV):
1 Marshal your troops, O city of troops, for a siege is
laid against us. They will strike Israel's ruler on the
cheek with a rod.
2 "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are
small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, WHOSE ORIGINS ARE FROM OF OLD, FROM ANCIENT TIMES."

in addition to this few prophecies made which were fulfilled, check these ones.

1.He would enter Jerusalem on a donkey’s colt
( Matthew 21:4–10; Zechariah 9:9).
2. He would be betrayed by a friend (John 13:18;
Psalm 41:9).
3. The betrayal would be for 30 pieces of silver
( Matthew 26:14–16; Zechariah 11:12).
4. The money would be used to purchase the
potter’s field ( Matthew 27:3–10; Zechariah
11:13).
5. The Messiah would die a sacrificial death for us
( Matthew 27:50; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Daniel
9:26; Isaiah 53:.
6. He would die with criminals but His burial would
be with the wealthy ( Matthew 27:57–60; Luke
23:33; Isaiah 53:9).
7. He would rise from the dead (Matthew 28:6;
Psalm 16:8–11; Isaiah 53:10).
8. He would say certain words on the Cross. He
would be mocked, and people would gamble for
His clothes ( Psalm 22:1, 8, 18).


NOW IT IS TIME TO SEE THE ANSWER YOURSELF.

Please tell me what jesus meant by this statement, if not that he is God(Yaweeh).

1. "The Jews answered Him (Jesus), 'For a good work
we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and
because You, being a man, make yourself out TO BE GOD.' ” ( John 10:33)
Question 1: would they(jews) make this statement "..... to be God" if jesus hadn't claim to be God?

2. “I and the Father are one.” (John 10:30)
Question 2: did Jesus say they are "alike"? No! But he made it clear that "they are ONE". So what did he mean by saying that they are one, if not that he is God ?

3. “You call Me Teacher and LORD; and YOU ARE RIGHT FOR SO I AM.” ( John 13:13)
Question 3: they called him teacher and LORD, so why then did Jesus say "THEY ARE RIGHT FOR SO I AM"? They are right for calling him LORD or what?


NOTE: The New Testament was originally written in Greek. The Greek word for “Lord” is Kurios, meaning “God— supreme in authority.

4. “…He who has seen Me has seen the father.” ( John 14:9)
Question 4: though this is very clear, but if he is not God, how can it be that he who has seen. him has seen the father? This CANNOT happen if he is not God.

5. Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you,
before Abraham as born, I am.” ( John 8:58)

NOTE: By using the term “I am,” He was making Himself out to be Yahweh (God) of the Old Testament. The Jews understood His claim, since verse 59 tells us that they wanted to stone Him. He was claiming to have existed not only before Abraham, but eternally.

We find the name “I AM” first used when God called
Moses to lead the Israelites out of bondage in Egypt. Not being crazy about the whole idea, Moses started making excuses. If he told the “sons of Israel” that the God of their fathers had sent him to them, what should he say if they asked, “What is His name?"

And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He
said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM
has sent me to you.’ ”

Here, God, in giving this name, gives the essential
meaning of Yahweh—I am the One who is. By
referring to Himself with the same name, Jesus is
unmistakably claiming to be God. Anyone who
argues that Jesus never made such a claim simply
hasn’t bothered to search the Scriptures for
themselves.


JESUS is LORD(YAWEEH, I AM).

DeathStroke007:
olodo ni e... you simply don't understand simple English.. the cup(trouble) was passed and proved by Psalms

You are funny sha!

So jesus' death is not a trouble?

So death is not trouble but peace?

Hmm, I wonder how you think.

promisechuks:



Jesus is God's co-eternal son of God. He existed in yaweeh from the beginning.

meaning there exists to two gods "he existed IN yahweh from the beginning" and the was sent by the superior God "yahweh" to die for the superior god "yaheew" and the inferior god jesus couldn't do anything except by that which the superior god empowers him to do,and could only beg the superior god when he was in danger of betrayer and cruxifiction (let the cup pass offer me) cause he(the inferior) god has no power of his own,,,and finally he was forsaken by the superior god because the superior god decides his fate-----so concocted and misleading----where is the monotheism? Cause I can't find one