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Re: The Catholic Church Is Not The First Church by Nobody: 1:08pm On Feb 21, 2016
An2elect2:
How can you compile a book you dont believe in? Your church places the bible below its traditions. For long your popes and bishops/cardinals and priest have disregarded the bible,hidden it from the masses and dismissed its relevance. You only pride yourselves as custodians of the bible but not doers of the word. You should hide your heads in shame for so did the pharisees pride themselves as keepers of the letter/law and not as those who obey
, The Bible was compiled by the council of Nicaea, by Catholic Church under the watch of Roman emperor constantine I in Nicaea in AD 325;The foundation of Christian belief was founded in Nicene Creed after the council of 7 ecumenical churches headed by the delegation from pope
Re: The Catholic Church Is Not The First Church by Nobody: 1:09pm On Feb 21, 2016
An2elect2 read the history of Christian faith, stop believing in whatever your pastor is telling you,read,that is why you went to school,google is your friend
Re: The Catholic Church Is Not The First Church by Nobody: 1:10pm On Feb 21, 2016
Nicene Creed[edit]
Main article: Nicene Creed

Icon depicting the Emperor Constantine and the bishops of the First Council of Nicaea (325) holding the Niceno–Constantinopolitan Creed of 381.
One of the projects undertaken by the Council was the creation of a Creed, a declaration and summary of the Christian faith. Several creeds were already in existence; many creeds were acceptable to the members of the council, including Arius. From earliest times, various creeds served as a means of identification for Christians, as a means of inclusion and recognition, especially at baptism.
In Rome, for example, the Apostles' Creed was popular, especially for use in Lent and the Easter season. In the Council of Nicaea, one specific creed was used to define the Church's faith clearly, to include those who professed it, and to exclude those who did not.
Some distinctive elements in the Nicene Creed, perhaps from the hand of Hosius of Cordova, were added. Some elements were added specifically to counter the Arian point of view.[11][47]
Jesus Christ is described as "God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God", proclaiming his divinity.
Jesus Christ is said to be "begotten, not made", asserting that he was not a mere creature, brought into being out of nothing, but the true Son of God, brought into being 'from the substance of the Father'.
He is said to be "of one being with The Father". Eusebius of Caesarea ascribes the term homoousios, or consubstantial, i.e., "of the same substance" (of the Father), to Constantine who, on this particular point, may have chosen to exercise his authority. The significance of this clause, however, is extremely ambiguous, and the issues it raised would be seriously controverted in the future.
At the end of the creed came a list of anathemas, designed to repudiate explicitly the Arians' stated claims.
The view that 'there was once that when he was not' was rejected to maintain the co-eternity of the Son with the Father.
The view that he was 'mutable or subject to change' was rejected to maintain that the Son just like the Father was beyond any form of weakness or corruptibility, and most importantly that he could not fall away from absolute moral perfection.
Thus, instead of a baptismal creed acceptable to both the Arians and their opponents the council promulgated one which was clearly opposed to Arianism and incompatible with the distinctive core of their beliefs. The text of this profession of faith is preserved in a letter of Eusebius to his congregation, in Athanasius, and elsewhere. Although the most vocal of anti-Arians, the Homoousians (from the Koine Greek word translated as "of same substance" which was condemned at the Council of Antioch in 264–268), were in the minority, the Creed was accepted by the council as an expression of the bishops' common faith and the ancient faith of the whole Church.
Bishop Hosius of Cordova, one of the firm Homoousians, may well have helped bring the council to consensus. At the time of the council, he was the confidant of the emperor in all Church matters. Hosius stands at the head of the lists of bishops, and Athanasius ascribes to him the actual formulation of the creed. Great leaders such as Eustathius of Antioch, Alexander of Alexandria, Athanasius, and Marcellus of Ancyra all adhered to the Homoousian position.
In spite of his sympathy for Arius, Eusebius of Caesarea adhered to the decisions of the council, accepting the entire creed. The initial number of bishops supporting Arius was small. After a month of discussion, on June 19, there were only two left: Theonas of Marmarica in Libya, and Secundus of Ptolemais. Maris of Chalcedon, who initially supported Arianism, agreed to the whole creed. Similarly, Eusebius of Nicomedia and Theognis of Nice also agreed, except for the certain statements.
The Emperor carried out his earlier statement: everybody who refused to endorse the Creed would be exiled. Arius, Theonas, and Secundus refused to adhere to the creed, and were thus exiled to Illyria, in addition to being excommunicated. The works of Arius were ordered to be confiscated and consigned to the flames while all persons found possessing them were to be executed.[48] Nevertheless, the controversy continued in various parts of the empire.[49]
The Creed was amended to a new version by the First Council of Constantinople in 381.
Re: The Catholic Church Is Not The First Church by An2elect2(f): 1:14pm On Feb 21, 2016
italo:
Find answers within. grin

Mr Italo are you not afraid to believe that a common human being like you holds the key to the kingdom of God, is the prime minister and vicar. buhahahahahaha. Here is some good bible exegesis of this. Not necessarily for you but for those who are seeking truth.

Your Church sees Peter as
the first pope upon whom God had chosen to build His church LOL (Matthew 16:18 ). It holds that he had authority (primacy) over the other apostles. The Roman Catholic Church maintains that sometime after the recorded events of the book of Acts, the
Apostle Peter became the first bishop of Rome, and that the Roman bishop was accepted by the early church as the central authority among all of the churches. It teaches that God passed Peter’s
apostolic authority to those who later filled his seat as bishop of Rome. grin This teaching that God passed on Peter’s apostolic authority to the subsequent
bishops is referred to as “apostolic succession.”Right?

The Roman Catholic Church also holds that Peter
and the subsequent popes were and are infallible
when addressing issues “ex cathedra,” from their
position and authority as pope. It teaches that this infallibility gives the pope the ability to guide the church without error. undecided The Roman Catholic Church claims that it can trace an unbroken line of popes back to St. Peter, citing this as evidence that it is the true church, since, according to their interpretation of Matthew 16:18 , Christ built His church upon Peter.Lolzzzz

But while Peter was central in the early spread of
the gospel (part of the meaning behind Matthew
16:18-19 ), the teaching of Scripture, taken in
context, nowhere declares that he was in authority
over the other apostles, or over the church (having primacy). See Acts 15:1-23 ; Galatians 2:1-14 ; and 1 Peter 5:1-5 . Nor is it ever taught in Scripture that
the bishop of Rome, or any other bishop, was to have primacy over the church. Scripture does not even explicitly record Peter even being in Rome. Rather there is only one reference in Scripture of Peter
writing from “Babylon,” a name sometimes applied to Rome ( 1 Peter 5:13 ). Primarily upon this and the historical rise of the influence of the Bishop of Rome
come the Roman Catholic Church’s teaching of the
primacy of the bishop of Rome. However, Scripture
shows that Peter’s authority was shared by the
other apostles ( Ephesians 2:19-20 ), and the “loosing
and binding” authority attributed to him was likewise
shared by the local churches, not just their church
leaders (see Matthew 18:15-19 ; 1 Corinthians
5:1-13 ; 2 Corinthians 13:10 ; Titus 2:15 ; 3:10-11 ).
Also, nowhere does Scripture state that, in order to
keep the church from error, the authority of the
apostles was passed on to those they ordained (the
idea behind apostolic succession). Apostolic
succession is “read into” those verses that the
Roman Catholic Church uses to support this doctrine
(2 Timothy 2:2 ; 4:2-5 ; Titus 1:5 ; 2:1 ; 2:15 ; 1 Timothy
5:19-22 ). Paul does NOT call on believers in various
churches to receive Titus, Timothy, and other
church leaders based on their authority as bishops
or their having apostolic authority, but rather based
upon their being fellow laborers with him ( 1
Corinthians 16:10 ; 16:16 ; 2 Corinthians 8:23 ).
What Scripture DOES teach is that false teachings
would arise even from among church leaders, and
that Christians were to compare the teachings of
these later church leaders with Scripture, which
alone is infallible (Matthew 5:18 ; Psalm 19:7-8 ;
119:160 ; Proverbs 30:5 ; John 17:17 ; 2 Peter
1:19-21 ). The Bible does not teach that the apostles
were infallible, apart from what was written by them
and incorporated into Scripture. Paul, in talking to
the church leaders in the large city of Ephesus,
makes note of coming false teachers. To fight
against their error does NOT commend them to “the
apostles and those who would carry on their
authority”; rather, Paul commends them to “God and
to the word of His grace” (Acts 20:28-32 ). It is
Scripture that was to be the infallible measuring stick
for teaching and practice (2 Timothy 3:16-17 ), not
apostolic successors. It is by examining the
Scriptures that teachings are shown to be true or
false ( Acts 17:10-12 ).
Was Peter the first pope? The answer, according to
Scripture, is a clear and emphatic “no.” Peter
nowhere claims supremacy over the other apostles.
Nowhere in his writings (1 and 2 Peter) did the
Apostle Peter claim any special role, authority, or
power over the church. Nowhere in Scripture does
Peter, or any other apostle, state that their apostolic
authority would be passed on to successors. Yes,
the Apostle Peter had a leadership role among the
disciples. Yes, Peter played a crucial role in the
early spread of the gospel (Acts chapters 1-10).
Yes, Peter was the “rock” that Christ predicted he
would be (Matthew 16:18 ). However, these truths
about Peter in no way give support to the concept
that Peter was the first pope, or that he was the
“supreme leader” over the apostles, or that his
authority would be passed on to the bishops of
Rome. Peter himself points us all to the true
Shepherd and Overseer of the church, the Lord
Jesus Christ ( 1 Peter 2:25 ).
Re: The Catholic Church Is Not The First Church by An2elect2(f): 1:21pm On Feb 21, 2016
Rayhut:
An2elect2 read the history of Christian faith, stop believing in whatever your pastor is telling you,read,that is why you went to school,google is your friend
You should pick up the bible and read for yourself then i'll take your advice serious
Re: The Catholic Church Is Not The First Church by Nobody: 1:46pm On Feb 21, 2016
An2elect2:
You should pick up the bible and read for yourself then i'll take your advice serious
Is it not what the Catholic Church want you to know that is in the Bible, believe in TRINITY where did it came from,non inclusion of gospel of Banabas in the Bible who excluded it from not been part of the Bible and other canonical books that the council of Nicaea decided that they not worthy enough to be part of Bible,did you know whether those books that was excluded is the correct one, my friend the Bible you are holding is what Catholic church dominated council of Nacea of 7 ecumenical churches overseen by emperor Constantine want you to know, had it been that they included the gospel of Banabas and told you in the Bible that Jesus is not the son of God you will still believe it, so stop arguing what pass you or above your human intelligent and intellectuals. There is God that Created heaven and Earth,do good things, Religion be it Christianity or Islam is dominated by human addition or subtraction.

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Re: The Catholic Church Is Not The First Church by An2elect2(f): 2:08pm On Feb 21, 2016
Rayhut:

Is it not what the Catholic Church want you to know that is in the Bible, believe in TRINITY where did it came from,non inclusion of gospel of Banabas in the Bible who excluded it from not been part of the Bible and other canonical books that the council of Nicaea decided that they not worthy enough to be part of Bible,did you know whether those books that was excluded is the correct one, my friend the Bible you are holding is what Catholic church dominated council of Nacea of 7 ecumenical churches overseen by emperor Constantine want you to know, had it been that they included the gospel of Banabas and told you in the Bible that Jesus is not the son of God you will still believe it, so stop arguing what pass you or above your human intelligent and intellectuals. There is God that Created heaven and Earth,do good things, Religion be it Christianity or Islam is dominated by human addition or subtraction.
I dont believe God is three in one. I have nothing to do with the catholic church. Thanks!
Re: The Catholic Church Is Not The First Church by gemale(m): 3:20pm On Feb 21, 2016
An2elect2:
How can you compile a book you dont believe in? Your church places the bible below its traditions. For long your popes and bishops/cardinals and priest have disregarded the bible,hidden it from the masses and dismissed its relevance. You only pride yourselves as custodians of the bible but not doers of the word. You should hide your heads in shame for so did the pharisees pride themselves as keepers of the letter/law and not as those who obey
Nt only do we read d bible in d Catholic church, we r encouraged 2 apply dem. D bible is nt our sole authority. God is & He constantly reveals more teachings 2 us. 1 book isn't totally sufficient 2 teach us all abt d Kingdom of God. A lot of those traditions u deride & misunderstand were in practice b4 d advent of D bible & most of dem r even scriptural in origin although it wld take in depth study & rumination on d bible 2 discover it. D Catholic church is so structured dt we study d word of God in its entirety & nt picking d parts dt we lyk & discarding d rest. D mass is structure in a way dt d entire reading of D bible is carried out. A lot of our early church fathers also were inspired by d Holy spirit 2 write & we also regard their writings too. Y don't u grab a copy of D catechism of D Catholic church & oda writing by learned men eg summa theologica by St Thomas Aquinas & b exposed 2 a higher truth Dan u know.

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Re: The Catholic Church Is Not The First Church by Raphael81(m): 5:42pm On Feb 28, 2016
An2elect2:
What says the scriptures?
answer na dont dodge the question young lady
Re: The Catholic Church Is Not The First Church by Raphael81(m): 5:45pm On Feb 28, 2016
An2elect2:
Your hurt right? Well it does matter. That the catholic church is first is the foundation stone for every other false doctrine it propagates.
Simple. If this most important lie is exposed, if they come to realise that their mother church is not the mother afterall, they would have the option of deciding which authority to follow: the bible or rome. And most would would choose the surest and most reliable, the former.

Fow now, they are bond slaves of rome. Pity
pentecostalism has brought problems to the xtian world, u look too old to exhibit such stupidity by insulting someone's church

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Re: The Catholic Church Is Not The First Church by Raphael81(m): 5:48pm On Feb 28, 2016
An2elect2:
How can you compile a book you dont believe in? Your church places the bible below its traditions. For long your popes and bishops/cardinals and priest have disregarded the bible,hidden it from the masses and dismissed its relevance. You only pride yourselves as custodians of the bible but not doers of the word. You should hide your heads in shame for so did the pharisees pride themselves as keepers of the letter/law and not as those who obey

oya go and die
Re: The Catholic Church Is Not The First Church by An2elect2(f): 8:22pm On May 24, 2016
Raphael81:

oya go and die
Thank you
but i am still alive in Christ
Re: The Catholic Church Is Not The First Church by Raphael81(m): 6:38am On May 25, 2016
An2elect2:


Thank you

but i am still alive in Christ
When you dont know and read the history of christianity you just sit in a place, open a big wide basket chewing gum mouth and spit out rubbish, your type divide the christian religion with your ignorance, may the lord have mercy on your soul. Amen

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Re: The Catholic Church Is Not The First Church by corlin2(m): 6:30pm On May 25, 2016
Thread Closed!!!
Re: The Catholic Church Is Not The First Church by PDBonline: 11:35pm On Dec 10, 2016
There was really no denominations in the bible. The church are not people who attend church services. They are those whom God has called out of the world to Himself through faith in the love of God as revealed in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.(What Jesus called being born the second time- without which no one-Bishop, Pastor or Pope, member- will enter the Kingdom of God.
joefredd006:
Jeez! have you ever heard of the book of the Acts of the Apostles, the early church in Antioch, a communion of believers in Christ, baptised by the spirit, presided over by Apostle Peter. Have you heard of the various epistles to the various churches in Samaria, Ephesus, Thessalonia, and others presided over by the Apostles. This led to the coinage of the name 'catholic' (universal) as it was fast spreading. Still presided over by Apostle Peter and he went on missionary journeys to admonish the people of the 'new faith'

What about a statement like:
"And I tell you that you are Peter, and on
this rock I will build my church, and the
gates of Hades will not overcome it" (Matt 16:18)

Now have you asked yourself which church Christ was talking about. Coza, Redeem, Or Rhema. I guess not.

'...and the gates of Hades will not overcome it'' don't turn yourself into a gate of hell that questions a direct order.

Drop your phone once in a while, and pick up the bible. it surely has all the answers, even more than google
Re: The Catholic Church Is Not The First Church by ElsonMorali: 4:04pm On Dec 11, 2016
An2elect2:
Anybody without a button for brain can see that. Its just unfortunate that some of our brothers and sisters would not allow their egos bruised with truth. They'd rather die in the comfort zone that roman catholicism has provided than question the most unbelievable doctrine/tradition of this institution.

Questions you, catholic need to start asking yourself if you believe in the inerrancy of the scriptures.

1) Is there a history of christianity in the bible?
2) Where did the bible say it all started?
3) Does the bible recognise an institution OR a group of people washed by the blood of the lamb as the church?
4) Does the bible recognise any authority that concerns spirituality order than the bible itself
5) Who was Peter according to the bible?
6) Did the other apostles/believers consult Peter for spiritual direction/judgement.
7) Was Peter seen as a Jesus-representative/vicar by other believers. Or was he a fellow elder and believer who had many weaknesses like the others and had to rely solely on the grace of God?

Only you can be honest with yourself.



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