exu:

I don't really know how a boat proves the existence of a higher power...

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goodguy:

If the Bible can be proven to be true, I believe that's enough proof to show that God exists. The story about the ark of Noah which was written thousands of years ago has actually been proven to be true....

Do you really believe that because one part of a story (the existance of the ark) is said to have been proven to be true that the rest of the Bible is also true

Is that what you believe?

I'd rather say it's left to you to believe what you want.

Thanks for not dodging the question .

exu:

Do you really believe that because one part of a story (the existance of the ark) is said to have been proven to be true that the rest of the Bible is also true

Is that what you believe?

Those who insist the bible to be false use the ark as one of their strongest points. Now that its been proven true..i'm not the more surprised they go diggin for more 'falses'.
I believe the scriptures because Its TRUTH.
Mathematical inaccuracies (if at all there is any) like kodewriter said is not enough to discredit the Scriptures. It was inspired by the holy spirit not written by HIM. Men wrote it and many times they make references to other books. Even our scientific findings do not correlate at times. Over 5000 neurones and over 4000 neurones are practically saying the same thing.
Why don't we bring out errors in d messages instead of arguin like kids.

One more thing. Why d hammer on christianity.?Why are other religion spared in this battle? Why am i yet to see a thread against judaism, budhist, ecks, grails messg, krishna movements, Islam etc?
Are we indirectly saying they are all pure but christianity false?
Believe me this is enough for a critical thinker to know there's something special bout my christianity. I just love it.

WORD!

i apologise if it appears that people are targeting Christianity...

however, i don't know which people you're referring to when you speak of those who bring the Bible into question but I'm pretty sure there are more outrageous and questionable goings on mentioned within the Bible that people could exploit...

The Ark story doesn't even feature in my list of important but questionable Biblical stories because the idea that a man could predict a local storm/flood and build an Ark is feasible...

layi:

Those who insist the bible to be false use the ark as one of their strongest points. Now that its been proven true..i'm not the more surprised they go diggin for more 'falses'.

It has not been proven true, not at all.
See:
http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/babinski/flood.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ark-hoax.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/woodmorappe-review.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH500.html

layi:

I believe the scriptures because Its TRUTH.

Assertion is not evidence.

layi:

Mathematical inaccuracies (if at all there is any) like kodewriter said is not enough to discredit the Scriptures. It was inspired by the holy spirit not written by HIM. Men wrote it and many times they make references to other books. Even our scientific findings do not correlate at times. Over 5000 neurones and over 4000 neurones are practically saying the same thing.

Define holy spirit, define inspiration, explain mechanism of inspiration, bring evidence for said inspiration. this would be a starting point for an informed discussion. Without precise descriptions, we are speaking another language.
What does Even our scientific findings do not correlate at times. Over 5000 neurones and over 4000 neurones are practically saying the same thing. mean? I have no idea what you're talking about.

layi:

Why don't we bring out errors in d messages instead of arguin like kids.

Indeed, you need to have a common language before you can discuss anything at all. All those biblical concepts are so vague that you can interpret them in thousands of different ways.

layi:

One more thing. Why d hammer on christianity.?Why are other religion spared in this battle? Why am i yet to see a thread against judaism, budhist, ecks, grails messg, krishna movements, Islam etc?

Christianity makes these specific literalist claims. Judaism does not (see mithrash). Budhism is more of a philosophy than a religion and I don't know enough about Islam to discuss it.

layi:

Are we indirectly saying they are all pure but christianity false?

Not in the least. In my book [b]all [/b]religions are false

layi:

Believe me this is enough for a critical thinker to know there's something special bout my christianity. I just love it.

Exu, I think the argument in my last post answers the questions you posed at the beginning of this message thread.

lady c, you're gonna have to give me a while to get back to you on your points...

thanks for taking the time out to answer my question...

Ofcourse,the existance of god is seen in the existance of man himself,man is the image of god, whatever makes sense to you,whatever adds meaning to your existance is the god you have,some people believe their god is in heaven,while some people believe their god is right here on earth and that empowers them to live their life in full instead of waiting to go paradise to live their life in full for eternity like some believe,which ever way you see it,i think it makes sense,the important thing is for you to be in control and live and lets live.You could either be a servant or a master or better still you could be both at the same time,just like christ,that is levelling up with everything that exist,i am that i am.

You have all been knocked out of the game

First of all i think the poster of this topic is an atheist, Dear mr, even those who support the boom theory believe that there "was" a creating power that ignited the boom. God exist ok.We humans are not a mistake of procreation neither did we evolute from apes or mircoorganism blah bah years ago, God dey

LOGIC:

1. Philosophy theory of reasoning: the branch of philosophy that deals with the theory of deductive and inductive arguments and aims to distinguish good from bad reasoning
2. System or instance of reasoning: any system of, or an instance of, reasoning and inference
3. Sensible argument and thought: sensible rational thought and argument rather than ideas that are influenced by emotion or whim
4. Reasoning of particular field: the principles of reasoning relevant to a particular field
5. Relationship and pattern of events: the relationship between specific events, situations, or objects, and the inevitable consequences of their interaction

Yes, Logic but all these has its origin and deductions from that organ called the brain. I'd say its foolhardy to put so much faith in that "Unreliable Organ". Not even as I write.

The brain is not sufficient alone to explain things of the unseen.

The fact that we cant see the infra-red or ultra violet spectrum with our naked eyes doesn't mean it ain't there.

MP007:

First of all i think the poster of this topic is an atheist, Dear mr, even those who support the boom theory believe that there "was" a creating power that ignited the boom. God exist ok.We humans are not a mistake of procreation neither did we evolute from apes or mircoorganism blah bah years ago, God dey

Boom theory? Ignited the boom? Mistakes of procreation and evolut[ing] from apes? I guess that settles it.

Pain:

LOGIC:

1. Philosophy theory of reasoning: the branch of philosophy that deals with the theory of deductive and inductive arguments and aims to distinguish good from bad reasoning
2. System or instance of reasoning: any system of, or an instance of, reasoning and inference
3. Sensible argument and thought: sensible rational thought and argument rather than ideas that are influenced by emotion or whim
4. Reasoning of particular field: the principles of reasoning relevant to a particular field
5. Relationship and pattern of events: the relationship between specific events, situations, or objects, and the inevitable consequences of their interaction

Yes, Logic but all these has its origin and deductions from that organ called the brain. I'd say its foolhardy to put so much faith in that "Unreliable Organ". Not even as I write.

Yet, despite your caveat, you've put a tremendous amount of "faith" in that "Unreliable Organ" - both yours and others. I'd say it's foolhardy to, while using the brain, condemn and castigate using the organ responsible for your ideas and your ability to communicate those ideas to others.

The brain is not sufficient alone to explain things of the unseen.

The fact that we can't see the infra-red or ultra violet spectrum with our naked eyes doesn't mean it ain't there.

Yet, using our brains that is "not sufficient to explain things of the unsen", we've deduced ways to test and explore, scientifically, infra-red and ultra violet spectrums.