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The Bible Stands by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:16pm On Jul 14, 2009
The Holy Bible shows the fingerprints of the Author in the text. The design that the Author has put in the text itself is virtually impossible to compromise.  The Bible's origin is from outside our physical universe.  It is outside the dimension of time.  I will be using this forum to bring to our attention the gold mine that we always take forgranted.  Eventually I will get down to showing the accuracies of the prophesies in Scriptures for us to see that the Bible is fresher than tomorrow's newspaper.
Re: The Bible Stands by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:30pm On Jul 14, 2009
This is a quote from the pastor of First Baptist Church, Dallas. (1909-2002)

"From beginning to ending there is not a word or syllable or revelation in the Word of God that has contradicted or ever will contradict, any true, substantiated scientific fact."

-- The Evidence Bible
Re: The Bible Stands by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:46pm On Jul 14, 2009
Here are some facts about the Bible

Number of books in the Bible: 66

Chapters: 1,189; Verses: 31,101; Words: 783,137; Letters: 3,566,480; Longest word (name): Mahershalalhashbaz (Isa.8:1); Longest verse: Esther 8:9 (78 words); Shortest verse: John 11:32 (2 words: "Jesus wept"wink; Middle books: Micah and Nahum.
Re: The Bible Stands by jagunlabi(m): 3:07pm On Jul 14, 2009
Bibliolatory? Have you started worshipping the bible now?
Re: The Bible Stands by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:56pm On Jul 14, 2009
This is who I worship:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." -- John 1:1

Read verse 14 of the gospel of John for more details.  Apart from the living Word of God, He is also the Truth.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." -- John 14:6
Re: The Bible Stands by Tudor6(f): 4:15pm On Jul 14, 2009
OLAADEGBU:

The Holy Bible shows the fingerprints of the Author in the text. The design that the Author has put in the text itself is virtually impossible to compromise.  The Bible's origin is from outside our physical universe.  It is outside the dimension of time.  I will be using this forum to bring to our attention the gold mine that we always take forgranted.  Eventually I will get down to showing the accuracies of the prophesies in Scriptures for us to see that the Bible is fresher than tomorrow's newspaper.
This is the line you take now but countless times on NL when we have you christians cornered, you claim god gave men the inspiration and allowed them to use their language, culture, ideas and experiences in writing the book. Now you claim gods fingerprint and design is present "virtually difficult to compromise" {indeed over 30,000 different compromises (sects) exist}. When will you christians ever be consistent
Re: The Bible Stands by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:24pm On Jul 14, 2009
The Bible is the contact point between the infinite God and the finite man.  If I were you I would sit back and learn what you have been taking forgranted.

This book contains the mind of God,
The state of man,
The way of salvation,
The doom of sinners and-
The happiness of  believers.

Its precepts are binding,
Its history is true, and
Its decisions are immutable.

Read it to be wise,
Believe it to be saved, and
Practise it to be holy.

It contains light to direct you,
Food to support you, and
Comfort to cheer you;

It is the traveller’s map and
The Christian’s charter.

Here is paradise restored,
Heaven opened and
Gates of hell closed.

Christ is the grand subject,
Our good its design, and
The glory of God its end.

Read it
Slowly,
Frequently, and
Prayerfully.

It is a mine of wealth,
A paradise of glory, and
A river of pleasure.

It will reward the greatest labour and
Condemn all who trifle with its sacred contents.

The Book:
The Book of books;
The Book of life;
The Book of God;
The Bible;
The Revelation of God to man.

This Book will keep you from sin, and
Sin will keep you from this Book.

Reading and confessing the words of this book will:
Terrify the devil,
Stupefy the rebellious,
Mystify the world,
Pacify the critics,
Ratify the covenant,
Edify the church,
Magnify the Word, and
Glorify the Lord!

http://www.tangle.com/view_video?viewkey=00bc81df73967ed41715
Re: The Bible Stands by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:39pm On Jul 14, 2009
The Bible Stands. Click the link to sing the hymn.

http://www.scriptureandmusic.com/Music/Text_Files/The_Bible_Stands.html
Re: The Bible Stands by muhsin(m): 4:51pm On Jul 14, 2009
OLAADEGBU:

This is a quote from the pastor of First Baptist Church, Dallas. (1909-2002)

"From beginning to ending there is not a word or syllable or revelation in the Word of God that has contradicted or ever will contradict, any true, substantiated scientific fact."

Is this really true? Lets see:

Its said:

"And Jesus said. . .for with God ALL THINGS are possible".(Mathew, 19:26)

But why:

"And the Lord was with Judah; and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain; but COULD NOT drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had CHARIOTS OF IRON." (jUDGES 1:19).

Isn't this an apparent contradiction? Any explanation? Thanks
Re: The Bible Stands by petres007(m): 6:36pm On Jul 14, 2009
muhsin:

Is this really true? Lets see:

Its said:

"And Jesus said. . .for with God ALL THINGS are possible".(Mathew, 19:26)

But why:

"And the Lord was with Judah; and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain; but COULD NOT drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had CHARIOTS OF IRON." (jUDGES 1:19).

Isn't this an apparent contradiction? Any explanation? Thanks



Na wah o, you people are still on with this your contradiction thingy abi? If you sincerely want answers/explanations to your supposed "contradictions", then please take your time and go through the material here: http://debate.org.uk/topics/apolog/contrads.htm

Its' tagged "101 cleared contradictions in the bible"

Again, here's the link: http://debate.org.uk/topics/apolog/contrads.htm
Re: The Bible Stands by Nobody: 6:40pm On Jul 14, 2009
"From beginning to ending there is not a word or syllable or revelation in the Word of God that has contradicted or ever will contradict, any true, substantiated scientific fact."



How come you are quoting from outside the bible ,do you want to contaminate the bible
Re: The Bible Stands by noetic2: 6:54pm On Jul 14, 2009
Tudór:

This is the line you take now but countless times on NL when we have you christians cornered, you claim god gave men the inspiration and allowed them to use their language, culture, ideas and experiences in writing the book. Now you claim gods fingerprint and design is present "virtually difficult to compromise" {indeed over 30,000 different compromises (sects) exist}. When will you christians ever be consistent

whats the meaning of this? what part of olaadegbu's post do u not understand?
Re: The Bible Stands by Tudor6(f): 7:05pm On Jul 14, 2009
noetic2:

whats the meaning of this? what part of olaadegbu's post do u not understand?
The highlighted portion in my original post.
Re: The Bible Stands by noetic2: 7:10pm On Jul 14, 2009
Tudór:

The highlighted portion in my original post.

that was so self explanatory, that even a dullard should understand.
Re: The Bible Stands by Tudor6(f): 7:17pm On Jul 14, 2009
noetic2:

that was so self explanatory, that even a dullard should understand.
dullard = christian = jesus zombie
.
I'm not a christian therefore i do not understand.
Re: The Bible Stands by I: 8:56pm On Jul 14, 2009
petres_007:

Na wah o, you people are still on with this your contradiction thingy abi? If you sincerely want answers/explanations to your supposed "contradictions", then please take your time and go through the material here: http://debate.org.uk/topics/apolog/contrads.htm

Its' tagged "101 cleared contradictions in the bible"

Again, here's the link: http://debate.org.uk/topics/apolog/contrads.htm

This is very incorrect. Why can't you explain it to him yourself?
Re: The Bible Stands by noetic2: 9:19pm On Jul 14, 2009
Tudór:

dullard = christian = jesus zombie
.
I'm not a christian therefore i do not understand.

another delusive rant. . . .when will u start talking sense?
Re: The Bible Stands by Tudor6(f): 11:10pm On Jul 14, 2009
noetic2:

another delusive rant. .  . .when will u start talking sense?
when you throw away your jesus delusions, you'll start to see sense in what i say. . .
Re: The Bible Stands by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:18pm On Jul 14, 2009
Tudór:

This is the line you take now but countless times on NL when we have you christians cornered, you claim god gave men the inspiration and allowed them to use their language, culture, ideas and experiences in writing the book. Now you claim gods fingerprint and design is present "virtually difficult to compromise" {indeed over 30,000 different compromises (sects) exist}. When will you christians ever be consistent

"The authors", speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, wrote on hundreds of controversial subjects with absolute harmony from the beginning to the end.  There is one unfolding story from Genesis to Revolution Revelation; the redemption of mankind through the Old Testament of the coming Messiah, the New Testament from the Messiah that has come.  In Genesis, you have paradise lost, in Revelation you have paradise gained.  You can't understand Revelation without understanding Genesis.  It's all interwoven on hundreds of controversial subjects.

"Now here's the picture: 1,600 years, 60 generations, 40 plus authors, different walks of life, different places, different times, different moods, different continents, three languages, writing on hundreds of controversial subjects and yet when they are brought together, there is absolute harmony from beginning to end . . . There is no other book in history to even compare to the uniqueness of this continuity." -- Josh McDowell

"We account the Scriptures of God to be the most sublime philosophy.  I find more sure marks of authenticity in the Bible than in any profane history whatsoever." -- Sir Isaac Newton

"The Bible is endorsed by the ages. Our civilization is built upon its words. In no other Book is there such a collection of inspired wisdom, reality and hope." -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
Re: The Bible Stands by SCYLLA: 11:39pm On Jul 14, 2009
2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)



They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.



Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.



Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins.

Was that the mind of God?
Re: The Bible Stands by Tudor6(f): 11:52pm On Jul 14, 2009
OLAADEGBU:

"The authors", speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, wrote on hundreds of controversial subjects with absolute harmony from the beginning to the end.  There is one unfolding story from Genesis to Revolution Revelation; the redemption of mankind through the Old Testament of the coming Messiah, the New Testament from the Messiah that has come.  In Genesis, you have paradise lost, in Revelation you have paradise gained.  You can't understand Revelation without understanding Genesis.  It's all interwoven on hundreds of controversial subjects.

"Now here's the picture: 1,600 years, 60 generations, 40 plus authors, different walks of life, different places, different times, different moods, different continents, three languages, writing on hundreds of controversial subjects and yet when they are brought together, there is absolute harmony from beginning to end . . . There is no other book in history to even compare to the uniqueness of this continuity." -- Josh McDowell

"We account the Scriptures of God to be the most sublime philosophy.  I find more sure marks of authenticity in the Bible than in any profane history whatsoever." -- Sir Isaac Newton

"The Bible is endorsed by the ages.  Our civilization is built upon its words.  In no other Book is there such a collection of inspired wisdom, reality and hope." -- Dwight D. Eisenhower

What harmony? The writers of the four gospels couldn't even give a harmonious account of who first came to the tomb or where jesus first appeared or how judas iscariot died - what a joke! grin grin grin
Re: The Bible Stands by Tudor6(f): 11:53pm On Jul 14, 2009
OLAADEGBU:

"The authors", speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, wrote on hundreds of controversial subjects with absolute harmony from the beginning to the end.  There is one unfolding story from Genesis to Revolution Revelation; the redemption of mankind through the Old Testament of the coming Messiah, the New Testament from the Messiah that has come.  In Genesis, you have paradise lost, in Revelation you have paradise gained.  You can't understand Revelation without understanding Genesis.  It's all interwoven on hundreds of controversial subjects.

"Now here's the picture: 1,600 years, 60 generations, 40 plus authors, different walks of life, different places, different times, different moods, different continents, three languages, writing on hundreds of controversial subjects and yet when they are brought together, there is absolute harmony from beginning to end . . . There is no other book in history to even compare to the uniqueness of this continuity." -- Josh McDowell

"We account the Scriptures of God to be the most sublime philosophy.  I find more sure marks of authenticity in the Bible than in any profane history whatsoever." -- Sir Isaac Newton

"The Bible is endorsed by the ages.  Our civilization is built upon its words.  In no other Book is there such a collection of inspired wisdom, reality and hope." -- Dwight D. Eisenhower

What harmony? The writers of the four gospels couldn't even give a harmonious account of who first came to the tomb or where jesus first appeared or how judas iscariot died - what a joke! grin grin grin
Re: The Bible Stands by Tudor6(f): 11:58pm On Jul 14, 2009
SCYLLA:

2)  Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites    (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)



    They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men.  All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle.  They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword.  Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder.  They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived.  After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.



    Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp.  But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle.  "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded.  "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor.  They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people.  Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man.  Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.



Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins.

Was that the mind of God?
Thank you. . .May you father many sons!!!!
Re: The Bible Stands by Krayola(m): 12:01am On Jul 15, 2009
Anyone still claiming divine authorship of the Bible is so grossly misinformed that I doubt anything anyone says on the forum is going to help the situation.
Re: The Bible Stands by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:02am On Jul 15, 2009
SCYLLA:

2) Murder, despoil and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

Clearly Moses and God approves of despoil of virgins.

Was that the mind of God?

He that comes to equity must come with clean hands.  Who are you to question God?  Your myopic view is what is limiting your understanding.  If you study the Bible you will discover that God didn't confine His wrath to the Canaanites or those mentioned in the book of  Revelation.  He proclaimed the death sentence upon the whole of humanity.  The soul that sinneth shall die.  The wages of sin is death.  We will all die because we have broken God's Law.  Everyone of us is waiting on death row.  Instead of standing in moral judgment over Almighty God, we need to judge ourselves according to the Law of God.  We will find that we have a multitude of sins and therefore are deserving of punishment.  Yet God, out of love, paid the penalty for our sin so we would not have to die eternally.

The Evidence Bible
Re: The Bible Stands by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:17am On Jul 15, 2009
Tudór:

What harmony? The writers of the four gospels couldn't even give a harmonious account of who first came to the tomb or where jesus first appeared or how judas iscariot died - what a joke! grin grin grin

Matthew and Mark both listed women as the first to see the resurrected Christ.  Mark says, "He appeared first to Mary Magdalene" (Mark 16:9).  But Paul lists Peter (Cephas) as the first one to see Christ after the resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:5).

Jesus appeared first to Mary Magdalene, then to the other women, and then to Peter.  Paul was not giving a complete list, but only the important one for his purpose.  Since only men's testimony was considered legal or official in the 1st Century, it is understandable that the apostle would not list the women as witnesses in his defense of the resurrection here.

The seeming 'contradictions' in the Bible are there for a reason.  God has deliberately included seeming 'contradictions' in His Word to "snare" the proud.  He has "hidden" things from the "wise and prudent" and "revealed them to babes" (Luke 10:21), purposely choosing foolish things to confound the wise (1 Cor.1:27).

For example, the four Gospels give four differing accounts as to what was written on the sign that hung on the cross.  Matthew said, "This is Jesus the King of the Jews" (Matt. 27:37).  However, Mark 'contradicts' that with "The King of the Jews" (Mark 15:26).  Luke says something different when he said; "This is the King of the Jews" (Luke 23:38), and John maintains that the sign said "Jesus of Nazareth the King of the Jews" (John 19:19).  Those who are looking for contradictions such as the Atheists, Muslims and occultists would jump to the conclusion and say  "the Bible is full of contradictions!"  and choose to reject it entirely as being untenable.

Genuine Christains who trust God have no problem harmonising the Gospels.  There would be no contradictions if the sign simply said, "This is Jesus of Nazareth the King of the Jews."  The godly base their confidence on two truths:

[list]
[li]1. "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God" (2 Tim.3:16), and;

2. An elementary rule in Scripture that God has deliberately included apparent contradictions in His Word to "snare" the proud.[/li]
[/list]

If an ungodly man refuses to humble himself and obey the gospel, and instead desires to build a case against the Bible, God gives him enough material to build his own gallows.  So in a sense, the Bible can be used to make your own noose to hang yourself or it can be used as a lifeline used to escape from the pit of hell, the choice is yours. The Evidence Bible
Re: The Bible Stands by bindex(m): 10:25am On Jul 15, 2009
OLAADEGBU:

He that comes to equity must come with clean hands.  Who are you to question God?  Your myopic view is what is limiting your understanding.  If you study the Bible you will discover that God didn't confine His wrath to the Canaanites or those mentioned in the book of  Revelation.  He proclaimed the death sentence upon the whole of humanity.  The soul that sinneth shall die.  The wages of sin is death.  We will all die because we have broken God's Law.  Everyone of us is waiting on death row.  Instead of standing in moral judgment over Almighty God, we need to judge ourselves according to the Law of God.  We will find that we have a multitude of sins and therefore are deserving of punishment.  Yet God, out of love, paid the penalty for our sin so we would not have to die eternally.

You worship the writings of ancient jews whom you don't know and keep blabbing all the time. Where you there when the desert goat herders wrote any part of the old testament? Where you there when their imaginary tribal god was leading them and making the stars from the sky fight against their enemies? Has any god ever appeared to you and told you that the whole of humanity is on "death row" or did you read it from the writings of deluded men that thought the sun move around the earth? Has any god ever presented any law to you or do you depend on the writings of men that could not even write a coherent and sensible story about their tribal god?

Has any god ever appeared to you and told you that you are deserving of "punishment? If you and you wannabe jewish/roman cousins that formulated that absurd and ridiculous theory believe you are deserving of punishment from your imaginary deity good for you.
Re: The Bible Stands by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:55am On Jul 15, 2009
Krayola:

Anyone still claiming divine authorship of the Bible is so grossly misinformed that I doubt anything anyone says on the forum is going to help the situation.

The incredible principle of 'apparent contradictions' in the Bible is clearly illustrated in the account of the capture of Zedekiah, king of Judah.  Jeremiah the prophet told Zedekiah that God would judge him.  He was informed that he would be "delivered into the hand of the king of Babylon" (Jeremiah 32:4).  This is confirmed in Jeremiah 39:5-7 where we are told that he was captured and brought to king Nebuchadnezzar, then they "bound him with chains, to carry him to Babylon."  However, in Ezekiel 12:13, God Himself warned, "I will bring him to Babylon . . . yet he shall not see it, though he shall die there."  Here is material to build a case against the Bible!  It is an obvious mistake you may think.  Three Bible verses say that the king would go to Babylon, and yet the Bible in another place says that he would not see Babylon.  How can someone be taken somewhere and not see it?  It makes no sense at all, unless Zedekiah was blinded.  And that is precisely what happened.  Zedekiah saw Nebuchadnezzar face to face, saw his sons killed before his eyes, then "the king of Babylon . . . put out Zedekiah's eyes" before taking him to Babylon (Jeremiah 39:6,7).

This is the underlying principle behind the many "contradictions" of the Holy Bible (such as how many horses David had, who was the first to arrive at the tomb after the resurrection of Jesus, and so on).

God has turned the tables on proud, arrogant, self righteous man.  When he proudly stands outside of the kingdom of God, and seeks to justify his sinfulness through evidence he thinks discredits the Bible, he doesn't realise that God has simply lowered the door of life, so that only those who are prepared to exercise faith and bow in humiity may enter. 

It is also interesting to note that the seeming contradictions in the four Gospels attest to the fact that there was no corroboration between the writers. (The Evidence Bible)
Re: The Bible Stands by toneyb: 10:58am On Jul 15, 2009
OLAADEGBU:

Matthew and Mark both listed women as the first to see the resurrected Christ.  Mark says, "He appeared first to Mary Magdalene" (Mark 16:9).  But Paul lists Peter (Cephas) as the first one to see Christ after the resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:5).

That is because paul's letter predate the gospels, the gospels were written based on paul's version of jesus, the jesus he never meet. paul knows nothing about the gospel remember he said that after jesus was raised from the dead jesus appeared to the 12 disciples(1 Corinthians 15:5). The gospels said that jesus appeared to 11 disciples, paul knows nothing about the story of judas if he did he will not say that jesus appeared to the 12 disciples. paul knows nothing about th gospels because he never spoke about anything that was written in the gospels, he doesn't talk abaout any of jesus miracles, virgin birth, where jesus was buried, anything he only wrote down his own fantasies about this new god he wanted people to believe in, whom he claims appeared to him on the raod to damascus exactly how it happened still remains a mystery because the two accounts in the book of acts of how jesus appeared to him cancel each other out.

Jesus appeared first to Mary Magdalene, then to the other women, and then to Peter.  Paul was not giving a complete list, but only the important one for his purpose.  Since only men's testimony was considered legal or official in the 1st Century, it is understandable that the apostle would not list the women as witnesses in his defense of the resurrection here.

Did paul tell you that he was not giving a complete list or did you tell that to yourself? Men testimonies was what was considered legal yet the other gospel writers wrote that women were the first jesus appeared to?   .  Why did they write that women were the first people jesus appeared to if truly women's testimonies were invalid? keep deluding your self, paul knows nothing about the gospels because the gospels were written about 30-50 years after he wrote his letters(No one really knows what his original letters really look like because no body has them all that are available are copies of copies that have been changed over time).

The seeming 'contradictions' in the Bible are there for a reason.  God has deliberately included seeming 'contradictions' in His Word to "snare" the proud.  He has "hidden" things from the "wise and prudent" and "revealed them to babes" (Luke 10:21), purposely choosing foolish things to confound the wise (1 Cor.1:27).

grin grin grin grin grin I laugh tire, I wan die with laughter. Did any god told you that he deliberately included some contradictions in his word to confuse unbelievers and the proud or are now trying to console yourself by wishing the contradictions that abound in the bible away with you lalala and ridiculous wish? Why is your imaginary sky daddy always afraid of the wise?  grin grin. Why does he always like children that will keep following his "word" like zombies? Is the bible no longer the "infallible" word of your god? are you now admitting it contains contradictions? how can something that is infallible contain contradictions in it?
 
For example, the four Gospels give four differing accounts as to what was written on the sign that hung on the cross.  Matthew said, "This is Jesus the King of the Jews" (Matt. 27:37).  However, Mark 'contradicts' that with "The King of the Jews" (Mark 15:26).  Luke says something different when he said; "This is the King of the Jews" (Luke 23:38), and John maintains that the sign said "Jesus of Nazareth the King of the Jews" (John 19:19).  Those who are looking for contradictions such as the Atheists, Muslims and occultists would jump to the conclusion and say  "the Bible is full of contradictions!"  and choose to reject it entirely as being untenable.

The writers of the gospel amongst other things could not really say what time jesus was crucifed, they could not tell exactly where Jesus appeared to the 11 of his disciples after he was allegedly raised from the dead. they could not say exactly how many days jesus spent on earth before "ascending" into "heaven". They could not even write a coherent story as to what really happened at his tomb when his women followers went to the tomb on the day he was allegedly raised from the dead

Genuine Christains who trust God have no problem harmonising the Gospels.  There would be no contradictions if the sign simply said, "This is Jesus of Nazareth the King of the Jews."  The godly base their confidence on two truths:

[list]
[li]1. "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God" (2 Tim.3:16), and;

2. An elementary rule in Scripture that God has deliberately included apparent contradictions in His Word to "snare" the proud.[/li]
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When paul was writing to timothy the only scripture available was the old testament which you guys believe has been abrogated. Paul's letters were not considered scripture until the roman catholic bishops decided to turn it into scripture.

If an ungodly man refuses to humble himself and obey the gospel, and instead desires to build a case against the Bible, God gives him enough material to build his own gallows.  So in a sense, the Bible can be used to make your own noose to hang yourself or it can be used as a lifeline used to escape from the pit of hell, the choice is yours.

Have you ever seen god giving any body gallows? You guys love using the imaginary place called hell into scaring people away from questioning the nonsense you have been teaching then since childhood no? You guys are real fun to interact with.
Re: The Bible Stands by toneyb: 11:08am On Jul 15, 2009
OLAADEGBU:

The incredible principle of 'apparent contradictions' in the Bible is clearly illustrated in the account of the capture of Zedekiah, king of Judah. Jeremiah the prophet told Zedekiah that God would judge him. He was informed that he would be "delivered into the hand of the king of Babylon" (Jeremiah 32:4). This is confirmed in Jeremiah 39:5-7 where we are told that he was captured and brought to king Nebuchadnezzar, then they "bound him with chains, to carry him to Babylon." However, in Ezekiel 12:13, God Himself warned, "I will bring him to Babylon . . . yet he shall not see it, though he shall die there." Here is material to build a case against the Bible! It is an obvious mistake you may think. Three Bible verses say that the king would go to Babylon, and yet the Bible in another place says that he would not see Babylon. How can someone be taken somewhere and not see it? It makes no sense at all, unless Zedekiah was blinded. And that is precisely what happened. Zedekiah saw Nebuchadnezzar face to face, saw his sons killed before his eyes, then "the king of Babylon . . . put out Zedekiah's eyes" before taking him to Babylon (Jeremiah 39:6,7).

grin grin grin it seems like you are creating your own contradictions and answering them grin grin. Lets look at the real contradictions in the bible. We can begin by looking into the OT and at the differences between 2 samuel and 1chronicles. These books contain different versions of the same story, with several differences. Second samuel 24:9 states there were eight hundred thousand fighting men in Israel. First chronicles 21:5 states there were one million, one hundred thousand. The same verses also state different numbers of the fighting men in Judah. Second Samuel 24:13 states that god sent his prophet to threaten david with seven years of famine. First Chronicles 21:12 states that god sent his prophet to threaten david with three years of famine. The excuse you guys give is that it is copyist errors grin grin. So your all powerful and all knowing imaginary sky daddy is not powerful or all knowing enough to disallow copyist errors into his "word" eh?
Re: The Bible Stands by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:19am On Jul 15, 2009
bindex:

You worship the writings of ancient jews whom you don't know and keep blabbing all the time. Where you there when the desert goat herders wrote any part of the old testament? Where you there when their imaginary tribal god was leading them and making the stars from the sky fight against their enemies? Has any god ever appeared to you and told you that the whole of humanity is on "death row" or did you read it from the writings of deluded men that thought the sun move around the earth? Has any god ever presented any law to you or do you depend on the writings of men that could not even write a coherent and sensible story about their tribal god?

Has any god ever appeared to you and told you that you are deserving of "punishment? If you and you wannabe jewish/roman cousins believe you deserving of punishment from your imaginary deity we don't.

A proud and ignorant sinner who says until God appears to him that he would not believe, has no understanding of the nature of His Creator.  No man has ever seen the essence of God.  When God "appeared" to certain men in the OT, He manifested Himself in other forms, such as a burning bush or "the Angel of the Lord."  When Moses asked to see God's glory, God told him, "I will make all my goodness pass before you, . . . [but] you cannot see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live" (Exodus 33:18-23).  If all of God's "goodness" were shown to a sinner, he would instantly die.  God's "goodness" would just spill wrath upon evil man. (The Evidence Bible)

However, the Lord told Moses, "It shall come to pass, while my glory passess by, that I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and will cover you with My hand while I pass by."  The only way a sinner can live in the presence of a holy God is to be hidden in the Rock of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 10:4).

"No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him." -- John 1:18
Re: The Bible Stands by bindex(m): 11:33am On Jul 15, 2009
OLAADEGBU:

A proud and ignorant sinner who says until God appears to him that he would not believe has no understanding of the nature of His Creator.

Is this the same god that the primitive jews wrote that he used to appear to some of them and address all of them through public speech and lead them in wars with his mighty sword of slaughter? Why did he suddenly run away and stopped addressing his chosen men through public speeches once people became more knowledgeable?  Since you chose to believe in the writings of primitive men who wrote that their god once lived with them and took shelter inside a wooden ark then good for you. As long as you accept that it is perfectly normal for any body to discard such mythical tales without looking down on them then it will be good for everybody.

No man has ever seen the essence of God.  When God "appeared" to certain men in the OT, He manifested Himself in other forms, such as a burning bush or "the Angel of the Lord."  When Moses asked to see God's glory, God told him, "I will make all my goodness pass before you, . . . [but] you cannot see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live" (Exodus 33:18-23). .

The same bible also talks about moses seeing his tribal and warrior deity and having a conversation with him face to face no? the same bible also says that moses's tribal deity once showed moses his back parts no?

If all of God's "goodness" were shown to a sinner, he would instantly die.  God's "goodness" would just spill wrath upon evil man

More ridiculous drivel, have you ever seen this happen or is this one of your new scare tactics you guys use in boxing people into line and making them believe and fearful of you imaginary sky daddy?

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