ifenes:
none

ifenes:
none

unphilaz:


hehe am assuming they are "fictional characters" and you were offered to choose one to have your daughter visit, which would you have loved your daughter to be with and you will be free from worry of what he might do.

Rucheen:
Non. In this present world? Not even to a sterile priest

ifenes:
none

Speechless3:
sweethearts why do you restrict your brain from functioning when it comes to God?

ifenes:


I don't recognize a god like you do. God is a creation to control humans.

Humblebloke:
Give me another option......

ifenes:


I don't recognize a god like you do. God is a creation to control humans.

Speechless3:
Honey do you believe logical laws exist even though you cannot see, touch or feel them?

unphilaz:


We are talking about men, who is talking about god here? So which fictional character not god but man will you give your daughter to care for ?

unphilaz:


Fictional as in the spaghetti monster?

ifenes:


Do I believe logic laws exist? Any law that can be broken is no law to me. I don't think anything such as logic law exists. Perhaps you might want to give a list of the ones you know.

Speechless3:
Looooooooool ive found an atheist who would not believe logical laws exist. So how do we recognise an illusion?

CoolUsername:


Urgh, you're still strung out on this thing? Even after everything that people have told you. Allow me to enlighten you, even though I doubt the possibility of that happening anytime soon.

Logic is just a system for solving problems. There is no entity like logic. From logical reasoning, we've attained systems like mathematics, physics, chemistry, computing, etc to solve problems.

Logic is held in high esteem because of its success in solving problems. For example, all computer programming languages are based on logical sequences, the fact that we can use operating systems and run apps means that logic is a valid method of solving problems.

Another example, is earth's gravitational constant 'G'. To date, nobody has physically weighed the earth, but using physics (Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation to be precise), we were able to evaluate the was of the earth, the value of 'G', and hence value of acceleration due to gravity on earth 'g'.
Now why am I telling you this? I'm telling you because we know that all the calculations are correct. If the derived value of G was lower than it was supposed to be then all the artificial satellites that are orbiting the earth would have crashed back to earth. If it was estimated too high, they would have drifted into space. The fact that I'm sending this via the internet means that none of that happened, so we can say that physics and therefore logic are reliable and useful constructs.

ifenes:


She ask me a question about god,and I gave a reply. I understand the thread is not about god. But I think this thread is only trying to paint Islam bad. Yes Islam is bad,same as Christianity.

Humblebloke:



....... Don't you have any other fictional character I could choose from


I don't like any of the two fictional characters in the OP........

Blackfire:


the story of the prostitute who people gathered to stone comes to mind.. Before they will stone her before this man /entity ,they ask him what he ve to say... Should they go ahead or not (now if u accuse the woman of adultery of immoral life, my simple question is where is the man/men?).
Now this beautiful entity.. Look up and ask them, if any of u ve not committed this same evil that warrant stone-ing , pick up the stone and do the needful, from the big to the small shamefully disappeared.. Leaving the woman all alone, this beauty look up , no more stone-ing crowd, only there stones and the woman, 'where are your killers'; so he said this beautiful words that cuts to the heart, 'neither do i condemn u, BUT go and sin no more'.

If i ever change my mind tomorrow to follow or belief in a god... That is the personality i will follow.

I am blackfire, asalamu alaiykum.

unphilaz:


we are not talking about the religion but the fictional character that caused it to exist... so its the MEN not the religion... after the MEN we can then weigh in on the religion... so which is which

unphilaz:
I have read on this forum where 'humanist' have stated that most of the stories in both koran and the bible are fictional and mere fairy tales... now that is thier opinion.

My question is for them humanist, if you must choose between this two 'fictional' characters, to allow your daughter to be with, based on their CV (below). which will you entrust your beloved daughter to...?

I won't entrust him/her to someone who said he came to set fathers against there sons, daughters against there mothers, and one who allowed wild wolves(or foxes i dnt know) to kill 40 children just because his prophet request it.

Neither will i entrust him/her to a sickend ... for child sex abuse.

LoJ:
Of course sexual relationships with children, underaged or without the consent of the partner, is very wrong. However I am not very sure about the point the OP is trying to make.

Do you want people to believe in the Biblical* Jesus, because he is more moral than the coranic* Muhamad? Or do you want to prove that christianity as a religion is more moral than Islam?

What if a person considers Captain America as more moral than both? Should he also believe in Him? Should the crimes and extermination of the old testament be also taken into account in evaluating christendom?

Please, explain to us, what point you are trying to make.

*Biblical and coranic: It is not certain that the lives of Jesus and muhamad as reported by the Bible the koran and other religious books are consistent with objective history.

ifenes:


The fictional character happened to have done a good job keeping its followers in line with the agenda. I salute the cult who created them.[s] Do you really believe Mohamed flew on a horse or Jesus rose from the dead after 3 days dead?[/s]

ifenes:


The fictional character happened to have done a good job keeping its followers in line with the agenda. I salute the cult who created them.[s] Do you really believe Mohamed flew on a horse or Jesus rose from the dead after 3 days dead?[/s]

Brown47:




I won't entrust him/her to someone who said he came to set fathers against there sons, daughters against there mothers, and one who allowed wild wolves(or foxes i dnt know) to kill 40 children just because his prophet request it.

Neither will i entrust him/her to a sickend ... for child sex abuse.

unphilaz:


irrelevant! i wont dabble in to that, this is leaving out "fictional incidence" about the "Fictional characters"... rather its an appeal to humanist love and attention of if given a choice... based on humanistic love, which do you feel is closer to having your daughter in his care?