KingEbukasBlog:

Its not about tolerance . Its about prudence .

Your life. Your choice. The problem is when you paint personal thoughts as Christian principles. That's how doctrines that do not help the body of Christ begin.

KingEbukasBlog:

I respect marriage a lot and think it should be done with the right partner . An atheist for me as a christian , only if God says so , is not the right partner . We wont think the same way , there is no understanding . I relish reading stories or seeing Christian marriages built on the principles of Christ and His kingdom .

Christian marriages like Oyakhilome's? And other 'Christian' leaders whose marriages have crashed? This is the problem with modern Christianity. Perfection without mistakes. Victories without scars.

KingEbukasBlog:

A major part of our marriage together would be about trying to covert the other to his/her side

Brother, do you plan on making vows to a belief or to a person?

KingEbukasBlog:

There could be issues that should involve spirituality as a solution and she would waiting for a non-existent rational solution . I can't deal with that . God has been , is , will also be the answer .

Cool. Wish you luck fighting demons with your partner.

KingEbukasBlog:

As a good smart christian I hope she'd be , we will grow spiritually and intellectually , stronger than ever .

Don't we all wish that.

asalimpo:

That's what this humanism thing is all about: manufacturing our own goodness (righteousness), independent of God. The delusion is that, when faced with God's standard , the humanists fires back "I can be good without You",
so who needs God to live right?
That's deception right there. Pride, self righteousness is lurking in their heart!
When in hell,they'll be wandering how they got there,after all they were so good and lived right?!
But beneath you see stinking pride that made them to big to accept the atonement for their sins.
It's a sad scenario.

Mmmm..somebody is preaching down here...so, what about those religious leaders who molested their members? Those church goers who ought to be saints but wearing skimpy clothes & juz gossip or keep taking selfie inside the church?those men screaming that God is good but after church they juz still doing their old thing which is deceiving ppol?

Isn't that worst than ppol who doesn't believe that God existed?

Juz asking..

asalimpo:

you like mumus who have no conviction on issues or intelligence to defend their stands.
Some1, whose thinking has been outsourced to the equally clueless society he lives in?
The bible says you should be as smart as serpents and study to show yourself approved. It also says "Think..". Christianity is not a religion for dimwits , people who'll get pregnant for a pastor just because he's a man of God.

uhm....not mumus jst not oversabis who would argue about everything in the bible, like whether the six days of creation is an actual six days as if dat has anything to do with their salvation and other philosopher type of argument.

sonOfLucifer:

Your life. Your choice. The problem is when you paint personal thoughts as Christian principles. That's how doctrines that do not help the body of Christ begin.

I clearly said "for me " . Im not sure how you came up with this

Christian marriages like Oyakhilome's? And other 'Christian' leaders whose marriages have crashed? This is the problem with modern Christianity. Perfection without mistakes. Victories without scars.

I remain reticent about those marriages

Brother, do you plan on making vows to a belief or to a person?

My vow to a person is based on what she believes in . Dont get me wrong , there are also marriages where the couple have different beliefs and they are still working ... . I am explaining that its risky . You believe in divorce so you can experiment , but not me .

Cool. Wish you luck fighting demons with your partner.

Spirituality is not all about finding demons . Atheism - assume , assume , assume then enshroud one self from evidence . Has the assumption game started already ?

Don't we all wish that.

You do wish the spiritual part too . I thought you just subjected that part to derision

KashyBaby:




Mmmm..somebody is preaching down here...so, what about those religious leaders who molested their members? Those church goers who ought to be saints but wearing skimpy clothes & juz gossip or keep taking selfie inside the church?those men screaming that God is good but after church they juz still doing their old thing which is deceiving ppol?

Isn't that worst than ppol who doesn't believe that God existed?

Juz asking..

no they are not worse it will take less effort to bring them back to see whats right since they already believe but for an atheist it will take a miracle

KashyBaby:




Mmmm..somebody is preaching down here...so, what about those religious leaders who molested their members? Those church goers who ought to be saints but wearing skimpy clothes & juz gossip or keep taking selfie inside the church?those men screaming that God is good but after church they juz still doing their old thing which is deceiving ppol?

Isn't that worst than ppol who doesn't believe that God existed?

Juz asking..

They've got the blood of Jesus to cleanse them from their sins if they truly repent. Also, some maybe spiritual toddlers, fumbling and falling into various sins. If theyre serious about growing in God,they'll eventually outgrow their sins.
Moreover, true christians have a new heart,i.e spirit,which is God like. Wants to do right,loves holiness and righteousness and not evil.

On the otherhand,the unsaved but good humanist is on his own. Still spiritually dead and with an unholy spirit that loves sin,because it is of the devil.
It's more about what's inside.

Reyginus:
In essence the atheist woman is not good for marriage but good enough to be married to Christ. Or you don't even see it like that?

Well atheists get married to themselves . There are men who are willing to give it a try and convert the atheist woman . I am speaking for myself though

Should religion be the basis for marriage?

Alot of Babalawos out there give chances to their wives and children to practise other religion out their traditional spiritualism. Some even encourage reading of bible, quran and vedas. Some pratice Islam and Christianity with their spiritualism. No one will ever stop you from exercising your freedom and fundament right.

Love looks beyond religion differences. Marriage is all about togetherness in one bond. Differences are scrapped and we are bonded by love and compassion.

KingEbukasBlog:


Well atheists get married to themselves . There are men who are willing to give it a try and convert the atheist woman . I am speaking for myself though

Can you marry somebody who calls himself a Christian but a heavy sinner?

Reyginus:
Can you marry somebody who calls himself a Christian but a heavy sinner?

Good question

asalimpo:


Really, think again. If you are an atheist,your father is the Devil. Period. He is the father of muslims and all other faith. Yeah,scoff,but we all serve a god. No one is exempt. I mean No one.

If,you're not in God's family,He sees you as a child of darkness. There's no middle ground.

give urself a knock on the head.. You deserve it

asalimpo:


Really, think again. If you are an atheist,your father is the Devil. Period. He is the father of muslims and all other faith. Yeah,scoff,but we all serve a god. No one is exempt. I mean No one.

If,you're not in God's family,He sees you as a child of darkness. There's no middle ground.

You mean the same god who also designed the child of darkness, right?

Weah96:


You mean the same god who also designed the child of darkness, right?

Yeah. The child of darkness is conceived in sin inherited from his first parent - Adam .
Hence, He has satan's nature and needs a new nature - to be recreated anew in his spirit.

Krystalzkris:
give urself a knock on the head.. You deserve it

You should have taken what i said more civilly.

FOLYKAZE:
Should religion be the basis for marriage?

Alot of Babalawos out there give chances to their wives and children to practise other religion out their traditional spiritualism. Some even encourage reading of bible, quran and vedas. Some pratice Islam and Christianity with their spiritualism. No one will ever stop you from exercising your freedom and fundament right.

Love looks beyond religion differences. Marriage is all about togetherness in one bond. Differences are scrapped and we are bonded by love and compassion.

You are preaching your own religion here. Humanism.
And you say you are irreligious! Atheism is a religion.

asalimpo:

You should have taken what i said more civilly.

not at all. Not that kind of statement.

asalimpo:

You are preaching your own religion here. Humanism.
And you say you are irreligious! Atheism is a religion.

Yoruba tradition spiritualism is not a religion. Just like spirituality is never and cannot be a religion. So how can you say I am promoting a religion? Have you heard this connation "being spiritual but not religion"? That should give you a hint about the difference between religion and spirituality.

And on the othernote, I am a spiritual atheist. Atheism is not an organised instution, has no basic law, guides, philosphy, doctirnes or followership. So how can atheism be a religion?

Religion cause a lot of division in human society. Religion set boundaries for those in and outside the institution. That is we why fellow human hate themselves. That is why christian hate muslim. That is why quran ordain muslims to kill jew and christians. That is why Muslims attack everyone in the world. They is why we dont respect people who do not share out belief. That is why we don not allow adults from different faith to mingle or marry. Religion breeds hatred. That cannot be said about spiritualism that sees the world and everything inside as one.

A spiritualist does not care about the sect you belong to. Ogun worshipper serve Sango today and tomorrow eat with Obatala believer. We are need oursleves to keep human race alive.

A Babalawo does not care if you are marrying a Monk or Catholic Priest. He does not feel concern if your husband is a white or blue in skin. They sometime choose concern in family but outside that, you can marry even a beast. It is no one business but yours.

mstewww.....another useless debate by theist and atheist.

If you wanna marry atheists fine, if you wanna marry theist fine. Everyone to their own, which one is trying to convince who not to marry who or vice versa.

Aren't you all tired with this sort of argument? sheesh!

KashyBaby:
Once I had a boss who is an atheist..all of my bosses, he's one of the best boss I ever worked with.we talked abt everything except religion..he was very supportive to all his ppol & such a down to earth man..I always told him that I will never gonna find a boss like him ever again..

Can you marry him? think that's the question here.

@OP I can't marry an atheist. I can tolerate atheist friends or date one just for dating sake. But spend the rest of my life with one that has a totally different view on God and religion? can't happen. Telling myself it can is lying to myself. What do we teach the kids when they grow up? How will she react when I wake up one money and decide to sow half my salary to a church? can two walk together except they agree?

asalimpo:

Yeah. The child of darkness is conceived in sin inherited from his first parent - Adam .
Hence, He has satan's nature and needs a new nature - to be recreated anew in his spirit.

According to you, humans are designed by the God. Are you now saying that the product needs an update? Shouldn't the designer install his own update, instead of asking the "products" to do it?

An0nimus:


Can you marry him? think that's the question here.

@OP I can't marry an atheist. I can tolerate atheist friends or date one just for dating sake. But spend the rest of my life with one that has a totally different view on God and religion? can't happen. Telling myself it can is lying to myself. What do we teach the kids when they grow up? How will she react when I wake up one money and decide to sow half my salary to a church? can two walk together except they agree?

Well. It seems the issue here is no longer about Christianity, but the Nigerian kind of Christianity. Everyone has their lives to live. Me never marry sef so which better advice I fit give...

sonOfLucifer:

Well. It seems the issue here is no longer about Christianity, but the Nigerian kind of Christianity. Everyone has their lives to live. Me never marry sef so which better advice I fit give...

lol it's not peculiar to Nigerians. Any Christian who truly understands the oneness of marriage and hates divorce would find it difficult agreeing to marry an atheist.

When I say Christians I don't mean nominal Christians.

Me too I never marry

Yteflon:
Am a humanist-atheist and I don't see anything wrong in marrying a christian or muslim, but I discover most religious folks av problem with one being an atheist. Is that what religion preaches?

Two cannot walk together except they be agreed,says my Bible.
I cannot marry anyone who does not believe exactly what i believe, or is not willing to do so.
The problems will be legion.

Weah96:


According to you, humans are designed by the God. Are you now saying that the product needs an update? Shouldn't the designer install his own update, instead of asking the "products" to do it?

Humans dont need an update. They need a new them.
The Designer Can't force his will on all humans , i.e make everybody born again, because it's a choice thing.
If say, you make a man stop gambling against his will,you've infringed upon his free will.
Including free will to do evil.

Humans are created by God,spirit,body,soul.
But there's a generation thing involved.
Adam was the first man. The first Son of God.
So , what Adam did or didnt do affects all his descendants , even those unborn.
To come into this world,you have to be born.
Immediately you are concieved, you take in a mixture of your parents attributes,their dna.
That's why a paternity test can determine your true parents.
In the same way, you take in the spiritual shortcomings of you parents,ancestors and your first father-Adam.
It's not something the baby chooses to do . Its something the baby begets ,by virtue of being conceived.

So , the baby is born in sin.
The baby is sinner from day one.
The baby's spiritual dna is devilish and satanic.
Because of the inherited curse. But the baby is oblivious of sin until he begins to know right from wrong.

That's where Jesus came into the picture.
To deliver man, He had to become Man.
Take on skin, have flesh and die for man.
So that those who chose him could have a new lineage.

If you read thru the old testaments, you'll see many books where the geneology of some person is listed.
"And this begat this, and this begat that person and so on".
When a person becomes born again, his spiritual lineage is simply God.
No more, and this begat that, it's simply, person x is a child of God.
His new ancestory is Christ.

As Adam's sin affected the whole world.
Jesus' righteous act affects the whole world too.
Through Adam's disobedience sin came into the world. And with it the consequence of sin : sickness,disease etc
Same way, through Jesus, act of doing what was right, spiritual benefits also acrue.

But, each person must make a choice which family he wants to belong to.
God won't force anybody.
It's a free thing.

Another issue i wont go into is the issue of kingdoms.
If God were to force and use his will to force people into his kingdom by taking them out of the kingdom
of darkness, he'd be committing a legal breach.
legally a crime of forceful entry.
So, for anybody in satan's kingdom, its for them to use their own mouth to renounce their membership,
and acknowledge their intention to become a member of God's kingdom. When they do,
and mean it, God fulfills His part and creates in them a new spirit-taking away the old.
They then become a child of God.

Reyginus:
Can you marry somebody who calls himself a Christian but a heavy sinner?

A sinner is not a Christian and a Christian is not a sinner . God directs and he sure leads to the right path . So I'll consult him in prayers

KingEbukasBlog:


A sinner is not a Christian and a Christian is not a sinner . God directs and he sure leads to the right path . So I'll consult him in prayers

lol

asalimpo:

That's what this humanism thing is all about: manufacturing our own goodness (righteousness), independent of God. The delusion is that, when faced with God's standard , the humanists fires back "I can be good without You",
so who needs God to live right?
That's deception right there. Pride, self righteousness is lurking in their heart!
When in hell,they'll be wandering how they got there,after all they were so good and lived right?!
But beneath you see stinking pride that made them to big to accept the atonement for their sins.
It's a sad scenario.

It's rather sad that you think like this.

McSterling:
It's rather sad that you think like this.

It's pitiable that you're deluded and think that there's no God.

KingEbukasBlog:


A sinner is not a Christian and a Christian is not a sinner . God directs and he sure leads to the right path . So I'll consult him in prayers

When a Christian sins what's he then? Or Christians don't even sin at all?

Reyginus:
When a Christian sins what's he then? Or Christians don't even sin at all?

Well its now a case of misconception . Christians are adherents of the teachings of Christ and if you dont adhere you are a sinner . But nowadays if you just believe that Jesus Christ is God without living the life or adhering to his teachings , you still be called a Christian .

But if a Christian sins then he is an unfaithful Christian - often called a backslider

KingEbukasBlog:


Well its now a case of misconception . Christians are adherents of the teachings of Christ and if you dont adhere you are a sinner . But nowadays if you just believe that Jesus Christ is God without living the life or adhering to his teachings , you still be called a Christian .

But if a Christian sins then he is an unfaithful Christian - often called a backslider

In others words a sinner?