vooks:

Where is Moses' second marriage recorded?

I will quote you this once, as i am not trying to convince you, but make viewers see how myopic your bible knowledge is... this is not a vulgarity session, you, my friend have a very minute bible knowledge.

In Numbers 12:1, Moses' wife became the apparent reason for Miriam and Aaron's rebellion against Moses.

Numbers 12:1 Miriam and Aaron began to talk against Moses because of his Cushite wife, for he had married a Cushite. (NIV)

you for some reasons beyond biblical truths claims they are same woman, that she is a Cushite dwelling in Midian. You went further to claim that the father was A CUSHITE who became a chief in Midian, your reasons being that Joseph et al did same in foreign lands. I did not want to drag it further with you, as your bible knowledge is slimier than a needle's tip, i held my peace.

To make one last move to edify you, let me point this out. The bible called Zipporah's father a Priest of Midian, and his ancestry is traced to Midian, Abraham's son. He was a full blooded Midianite. HE WAS NOT A MIGRANT. I have already showed you that your Cushite Midianicans theory is complete baloney.

Moses married this midianite, had kids even before he went to set Israel free from Egypt, along with Aaron. Aaron must have met his sister-in-law, and so must have Miriam. Therefore, the Cushite lady in the book of Numbers could not have been Zipporah...for there would be no need for the anger towards the lady he married especially before the law.

And, if this reference was to Zipporah, whether in regards to her skin color or ethnicity, it is somewhat remarkable that Aaron and Miriam's displeasure would begin so late. They certainly would have lots of time to have expressed it previously on the Exodus.

Moses married a midianite before the law, and after the law, he wasn't supposed to marry outside the law. That was Aaron's and Miriam's anger, that he not only broke the law, but married outside the covenant. Miriam and Aaron may not have liked that Moses was initially married to a Midianite but they would have understood the extenuating circumstances that led to that union (it happened before the law). Now, here goes Moses marrying outside of the Israelites again!

As Zipporah is never again mentioned (chronologically) in the text, it is quite logical to assume Moses' Midianite wife had died and Moses had now, shortly after, married another woman who was Cushite. God's subsequent vindication of Moses, in the face of Miriam and Aaron's displeasure, implies that Moses had done no wrong in the circumstances leading to their actions. As can be seen throughout the Old Testament, God is normally quite willing to call out leaders for the wrong actions, either directly or through those around them. Zipporah's death can be reasonably assumed.

Remember in the midst of their journey, as they were at an "encampment" (KJV says "inn", God struck Moses with a very serious illness for failing to circumcise his son (likely the younger one Eliezer). It appears that he was so sick that he was unable to do it himself, so Zipporah did it. Her words that followed to Moses were "Surely you are a husband of blood to me!" (Ex 4:25). Most believe that she was opposed to infant circumcision (as were her Midianite people), so Moses did not perform the circumcision in order to please her. However, when she saw that God would take her husband's life for failing to do so, she did it herself, but the ritual disgusted her, thus her words to Moses.

After this event, we see Moses meeting up with Aaron and heading for Egypt (Ex 4:27-31). We do not hear about Zipporah and the two boys again until (Ex 18:1-7).

In (Ex 18:1-7) we see that Jethro is going to go visit Moses, taking with him Zipporah "after he had sent her back" (Ex 18:2). So, clearly, Moses had sent her away to Jethro at some point. Verses 1-7 tell us about this visit of Jethro, and the reunion of Zipporah and the two sons with Moses.

Because there is no mention of Zipporah and the boys after the circumcision until the reunion, nearly everyone agrees that they likely returned to Jethro right after that event. Therefore, the time for their return was right before Moses went to Egypt.

In all, it is clear Zipporah and the Cushite were two different people!

Miriam and Aaron were angry he married outside the law, God vindicated him because, he should have paid dearly for breaking the law, but for the record, the Law only banned Israelites from taking wives of "those who live in the land," namely the peoples/nations who were under God's judgment in the land of Canaan (Exodus 34:15-16). Moses therefore did no wrong in taking a subsequent wife who was a Cushite.

Gombs:


I will quote you this once, as i am not trying to convince you, but make viewers see how myopic your bible knowledge is... this is not a vulgarity session, you, my friend have a very minute bible knowledge.

Mighty glad you have outgrown m0ronic gifs. But I doubt you can help yourself for long

In Numbers 12:1, Moses' wife became the apparent reason for Miriam and Aaron's rebellion against Moses.

Numbers 12:1 Miriam and Aaron began to talk against Moses because of his Cushite wife, for he had married a Cushite. (NIV)

All true,but where is the second marriage?

you for some reasons beyond biblical truths claims they are same woman, that she is a Cushite dwelling in Midian. You went further to claim that the father was A CUSHITE who became a chief in Midian, your reasons being that Joseph et al did same in foreign lands. I did not want to drag it further with you, as your bible knowledge is slimier than a needle's tip, i held my peace.

Not 'some reasons', if the wife is Ethiopian, so is the father. I merely pointed at the plausibility of a Cushite being a leader in Midian contrary to your asinine assertion that his leadership in Midian militates against him being a Cushite

To make one last move to edify you, let me point this out. The bible called Zipporah's father a Priest of Midian, and his ancestry is traced to Midian, Abraham's son. He was a full blooded Midianite. HE WAS NOT A MIGRANT. I have already showed you that your Cushite Midianicans theory is complete baloney.

Where is 'his ancestry traced to Midian'? Let's separate hallucinations from facts

Moses married this midianite, had kids even before he went to set Israel free from Egypt, along with Aaron.

He married Zippy during his one 40 years of exile

Aaron must have met his sister-in-law, and so must have Miriam.

Bros, Zipporah and her two boys were brought to Moses in the wilderness well after they had left Egypt. This means that even if you were right, they met Zippy exactly at the same time as Moses; in the wilderness.

Therefore, the Cushite lady in the book of Numbers could not have been Zipporah...for there would be no need for the anger towards the lady he married especially before the law.

Don't be a m0ron. Even at this point of their murmuring, there was no Law yet against marrying non-Hebrews. But it was generally thus as seen by Abraham intervention in Isaac's marriage. They basically kept it 'within the family'.
What you are doing is wondering why they never murmured earlier. One plausible reason is that Zippy had just joined Moses with her father in the wilderness

And, if this reference was to Zipporah, whether in regards to her skin color or ethnicity, it is somewhat remarkable that Aaron and Miriam's displeasure would begin so late. They certainly would have lots of time to have expressed it previously on the Exodus.

Again you are assuming they knew of Zippy all along and conveniently forgetting Zippy and her dad had just met them in the wilderness

Moses married a midianite before the law, and after the law, he wasn't supposed to marry outside the law.

There was no Law at this point against marrying non-Hebrews, if there were please show it.
Secondly, their grievance was malicious and baseless. If God had at this point banned intermarriage And Moses intermarried, why would He be wroth for these servants who were zealous for His word? Recall God commended and rewarded Joshua for his zeal for the Law

That was Aaron's and Miriam's anger, that he not only broke the law, but married outside the covenant. Miriam and Aaron may not have liked that Moses was initially married to a Midianite but they would have understood the extenuating circumstances that led to that union (it happened before the law). Now, here goes Moses marrying outside of the Israelites again!

More nonsense. Which Law did he violate? Quote it and prove it was in place before this imagined incidence. Note, nowhere in Numbers tell you Moses remarried. They just took occasion to murmur against a HISTORICAL marriage and not a new one.

As Zipporah is never again mentioned (chronologically) in the text, it is quite logical to assume Moses' Midianite wife had died and Moses had now, shortly after, married another woman who was Cushite.

But this 'quite logical' is as dumb as it can get for is the Ethiopian wife mentioned after this? Does it mean she died immediately after this?
This is the problem with using Google to copy paste junk and hope that you will look clever. You look more stupid. Think through whatever Oyaks belches enforce regurgitating it here

God's subsequent vindication of Moses, in the face of Miriam and Aaron's displeasure, implies that Moses had done no wrong in the circumstances leading to their actions. As can be seen throughout the Old Testament, God is normally quite willing to call out leaders for the wrong actions, either directly or through those around them. Zipporah's death can be reasonably assumed.

But if there was already a law against intermarriage, why would Moses be vindicated for bypassing millions of Israeli galz and marrying a non-Hebrew?

Remember in the midst of their journey, as they were at an "encampment" (KJV says "inn", God struck Moses with a very serious illness for failing to circumcise his son (likely the younger one Eliezer). It appears that he was so sick that he was unable to do it himself, so Zipporah did it.

Bro drop those psychedelic mushrooms. This was not in the 'midst of the journey', it was BEFORE Moses got back to Egypt from Midian, from the burning bush, before the plagues, before Exodus, before splitting the Red Sea!

Her words that followed to Moses were "Surely you are a husband of blood to me!" (Ex 4:25). Most believe that she was opposed to infant circumcision (as were her Midianite people), so Moses did not perform the circumcision in order to please her. However, when she saw that God would take her husband's life for failing to do so, she did it herself, but the ritual disgusted her, thus her words to Moses.

This is baseless speculation but most importantly, it was BEFORE Moses got back to Egypt from Midian

After this event, we see Moses meeting up with Aaron and heading for Egypt (Ex 4:27-31). We do not hear about Zipporah and the two boys again until (Ex 18:1-7).

In (Ex 18:1-7) we see that Jethro is going to go visit Moses, taking with him Zipporah "after he had sent her back" (Ex 18:2). So, clearly, Moses had sent her away to Jethro at some point. Verses 1-7 tell us about this visit of Jethro, and the reunion of Zipporah and the two sons with Moses.

Because there is no mention of Zipporah and the boys after the circumcision until the reunion, nearly everyone agrees that they likely returned to Jethro right after that event. [/b]Therefore, the time for their return was right before Moses went to Egypt.

Which means Zippy never met neither Aaron not Miriam!
Blowing off both your hooves

In all, it is clear Zipporah and the Cushite were two different people!

How?

[b]Miriam and Aaron were angry he married outside the law, God vindicated him because, he should have paid dearly for breaking the law, but for the record, the Law only banned Israelites from taking wives of "those who live in the land," namely the peoples/nations who were under God's judgment in the land of Canaan (Exodus 34:15-16; cf. Genesis 15:16). Moses therefore did no wrong in taking a subsequent wife who was a Cushite.

Amateur theologian,
Exodus forbade covenants with Caananites. Midian was not Canaan and not was Cush.
Let me paste the entire verse for you.
Exodus 34:11-16 (ESV)
Observe what I command you this day. Behold, I will drive out before you the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites. 12 Take care, lest you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land to which you go, lest it become a snare in your midst. 13 You shall tear down their altars and break their pillars and cut down their Asherim 14 (for you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God), 15 lest you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and when they LovePeddler after their gods and sacrifice to their gods and you are invited, you eat of his sacrifice, 16 and you take of their daughters for your sons, and their daughters LovePeddler after their gods and make your sons LovePeddler after their gods.

The 'land' in question is Canaan. So there would have been no occasion for Aaron and Miriam to get mad. Secondly as I told you, if Moses breached or apparently breached any Law, God ought to have corrected their overzealousness instead of punishing them for attempting to obey Him. Thirdly, I'm still waiting for the record of Moses REMARRYING.

Once gain, the grievance against Moses was 100% unfounded. This you got right, but not because of Exodus 34, but rather because God had used Moses to wrought wonders despite marrying Zippy the Cushite/Midianite yet it grieved Aaron and Miriam. When Zippy was reunited with Moses by his father in the wilderness, God was indifferent to her. Why would they seize that to murmur against Moses' leadership?

It is quote probable that Miriam was annoyed by Jethro's system of delegation and she projected this on his daughter hence the sudden wrath

Where is it recorded that Moses remarried?

Gombs:


I will quote you this once, as i am not trying to convince you, but make viewers see how myopic your bible knowledge is... this is not a vulgarity session, you, my friend have a very minute bible knowledge.

In Numbers 12:1, Moses' wife became the apparent reason for Miriam and Aaron's rebellion against Moses.

Numbers 12:1 Miriam and Aaron began to talk against Moses because of his Cushite wife, for he had married a Cushite. (NIV)

you for some reasons beyond biblical truths claims they are same woman, that she is a Cushite dwelling in Midian. You went further to claim that the father was A CUSHITE who became a chief in Midian, your reasons being that Joseph et al did same in foreign lands. I did not want to drag it further with you, as your bible knowledge is slimier than a needle's tip, i held my peace.

To make one last move to edify you, let me point this out. The bible called Zipporah's father a Priest of Midian, and his ancestry is traced to Midian, Abraham's son. He was a full blooded Midianite. HE WAS NOT A MIGRANT. I have already showed you that your Cushite Midianicans theory is complete baloney.

Moses married this midianite, had kids even before he went to set Israel free from Egypt, along with Aaron. Aaron must have met his sister-in-law, and so must have Miriam. Therefore, the Cushite lady in the book of Numbers could not have been Zipporah...for there would be no need for the anger towards the lady he married especially before the law.

And, if this reference was to Zipporah, whether in regards to her skin color or ethnicity, it is somewhat remarkable that Aaron and Miriam's displeasure would begin so late. They certainly would have lots of time to have expressed it previously on the Exodus.

Moses married a midianite before the law, and after the law, he wasn't supposed to marry outside the law. That was Aaron's and Miriam's anger, that he not only broke the law, but married outside the covenant. Miriam and Aaron may not have liked that Moses was initially married to a Midianite but they would have understood the extenuating circumstances that led to that union (it happened before the law). Now, here goes Moses marrying outside of the Israelites again!

As Zipporah is never again mentioned (chronologically) in the text, it is quite logical to assume Moses' Midianite wife had died and Moses had now, shortly after, married another woman who was Cushite. God's subsequent vindication of Moses, in the face of Miriam and Aaron's displeasure, implies that Moses had done no wrong in the circumstances leading to their actions. As can be seen throughout the Old Testament, God is normally quite willing to call out leaders for the wrong actions, either directly or through those around them. Zipporah's death can be reasonably assumed.

Remember in the midst of their journey, as they were at an "encampment" (KJV says "inn", God struck Moses with a very serious illness for failing to circumcise his son (likely the younger one Eliezer). It appears that he was so sick that he was unable to do it himself, so Zipporah did it. Her words that followed to Moses were "Surely you are a husband of blood to me!" (Ex 4:25). Most believe that she was opposed to infant circumcision (as were her Midianite people), so Moses did not perform the circumcision in order to please her. However, when she saw that God would take her husband's life for failing to do so, she did it herself, but the ritual disgusted her, thus her words to Moses.

After this event, we see Moses meeting up with Aaron and heading for Egypt (Ex 4:27-31). We do not hear about Zipporah and the two boys again until (Ex 18:1-7).

In (Ex 18:1-7) we see that Jethro is going to go visit Moses, taking with him Zipporah "after he had sent her back" (Ex 18:2). So, clearly, Moses had sent her away to Jethro at some point. Verses 1-7 tell us about this visit of Jethro, and the reunion of Zipporah and the two sons with Moses.

Because there is no mention of Zipporah and the boys after the circumcision until the reunion, nearly everyone agrees that they likely returned to Jethro right after that event. Therefore, the time for their return was right before Moses went to Egypt.

In all, it is clear Zipporah and the Cushite were two different people!

Miriam and Aaron were angry he married outside the law, God vindicated him because, he should have paid dearly for breaking the law, but for the record, the Law only banned Israelites from taking wives of "those who live in the land," namely the peoples/nations who were under God's judgment in the land of Canaan (Exodus 34:15-16). Moses therefore did no wrong in taking a subsequent wife who was a Cushite.

Gombs you get time o!

This long epistle is not necessary . Especially for the individual involved . It's like casting pearls to swine . Certain people are to be ignored . The truth here is simple common sense . Why would Aaron be angry over a marriage Moses had been for over 40 years ? Besides s He had no law then. Didn't Joseph marry from Egypt? Beside the father was a priest of God who had saved Moses life and ministry It's a simple common sense . but as the saying goes . Common sense is not common.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

vooks:

All true,but where is the second marriage?

Num 12.1

Not 'some reasons', if the wife is Ethiopian, so is the father. I merely pointed at the plausibility of a Cushite being a leader in Midian contrary to your asinine assertion that his leadership in Midian militates against him being a Cushite

you must have missed some medication ooo

Where is 'his ancestry traced to Midian'? Let's separate hallucinations from facts

Get a bible ... then study

He married Zippy during his one 40 years of exile

no doubt

Bros, Zipporah and her two boys were brought to Moses in the wilderness well after they had left Egypt. This means that even if you were right, they met Zippy exactly at the same time as Moses; in the wilderness.

Aaron was asked by God to meet Moses in the wilderness, on his way to Egypt, where he was almost whopped for circumcision blunder...get a bible, son!

Don't be a m0ron. Even at this point of their murmuring, there was no Law yet against marrying non-Hebrews. But it was generally thus as seen by Abraham intervention in Isaac's marriage. They basically kept it 'within the family'.
What you are doing is wondering why they never murmured earlier. One plausible reason is that Zippy had just joined Moses with her father in the wilderness

you really need a bible

Again you are assuming they knew of Zippy all along and conveniently forgetting Zippy and her dad had just met them in the wilderness

get a KJV

There was no Law at this point against marrying non-Hebrews, if there were please show it.
Secondly, their grievance was malicious and baseless. If God had at this point banned intermarriage And Moses intermarried, why would He be wroth for these servants who were zealous for His word? Recall God commended and rewarded Joshua for his zeal for the Law

Exodus 34:15-16

More nonsense. Which Law did he violate? Quote it and prove it was in place before this imagined incidence. Note, nowhere in Numbers tell you Moses remarried.

Exodus 34:15-16

They just took occasion to murmur against a HISTORICAL marriage and not a new one.

why?

But this 'quite logical' is as dumb as it can get for is the Ethiopian wife mentioned after this? Does it mean she died immediately after this?
This is the problem with using Google to copy paste junk and hope that you will look clever. You look more stupid. Think through whatever Oyaks belches enforce regurgitating it here

But if there was already a law against intermarriage, why would Moses be vindicated for bypassing millions of Israeli galz and marrying a non-Hebrew?

In exodus 2, there was no law... by latter parts of Exodus, after the move outta Egypt, there was a law..get a KJV and visit Exodus 34:15-16

Bro drop those psychedelic mushrooms. [s]This was not in the 'midst of the journey', it was BEFORE Moses got back to Egypt from Midian,[/s] from the burning bush, before the plagues, before Exodus, before splitting the Red Sea!

Exodus 4:24-26 New International Version (NIV)

24 At a lodging place [size=18pt] on the way[/size] , the Lord met Moses and was about to kill him. 25 But Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son’s foreskin and touched Moses’ feet with it. “Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me,” she said. 26 So the Lord let him alone. (At that time she said “bridegroom of blood,” referring to circumcision.)

This is baseless speculation but most importantly, it was BEFORE Moses got back to Egypt from Midian

on their way to Egypt

Which means Zippy never met neither Aaron not Miriam!
Blowing off both your hooves

Did Aaron meet Moses in Egypt or in the wilderness? Read Ex 4:27. Who was with Moses in verse 26? Was she invisible?

How?

try reading! it doesn't kill

Amateur theologian,
Exodus forbade covenants with Caananites. Midian was not Canaan and not was Cush.

finally, some sense. This was why God vindicated him... Miriam and Aaron just thought he broke the law by marrying outside Israel.

Let me paste the entire verse for you.
Exodus 34:11-16 (ESV)
Observe what I command you this day. Behold, I will drive out before you the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites. 12 Take care, lest you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land to which you go, lest it become a snare in your midst. 13 You shall tear down their altars and break their pillars and cut down their Asherim 14 (for you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God), 15 lest you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and when they LovePeddler after their gods and sacrifice to their gods and you are invited, you eat of his sacrifice, 16 and you take of their daughters for your sons, and their daughters LovePeddler after their gods and make your sons LovePeddler after their gods.

focus on 15 and 16

The 'land' in question is Canaan. So there would have been no occasion for Aaron and Miriam to get mad.

was Caanan inside Israel? or better still, was it a tribe in Israel?

Secondly as I told you, if Moses breached or apparently breached any Law, God ought to have corrected their overzealousness

God did... get a KJV

instead of punishing them for attempting to obey Him. Thirdly, I'm still waiting for the record of Moses REMARRYING.

Once gain, the grievance against Moses was 100% unfounded.

your opinion

This you got right, but not because of Exodus 34, but rather because God had used Moses to wrought wonders despite marrying Zippy the Cushite/Midianite yet it grieved Aaron and Miriam.

When Zippy was reunited with Moses by his father in the wilderness, God was indifferent to her. Why would they seize that to murmur against Moses' leadership?

It is quote probable that Miriam was annoyed by Jethro's system of delegation and she projected this on his daughter hence the sudden wrath

What was her basis of annoyance? The law?

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Where is it recorded that Moses remarried?

redundance

Joagbaje:

Gombs you get time o!

I did it for the sake of viewers ni o...

This long epistle is not necessary . Especially for the individual involved . It's like casting pearls to swine . Certain people are to be ignored .

I will pick this wonderful advice

The truth here is simple common sense . Why would Aaron be angry over a marriage Moses had been for over 40 years ?

I wonder too oooo

Besides s He had no law then. Didn't Joseph marry from Egypt? Beside the father was a priest of God who had saved Moses life and ministry It's a simple common sense . but as the saying goes . Common sense is not common.

Gbam... He said Miriam was annoyed at Jethro's system of delegation (whatever that meant)

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Be ni sir

Gombs:
Be ni
A Catholic Church... Not roman Catholic. There's a huge difference.

You tell me.

Wrong!

It's simply because on the day the Holy Spirit came on the apostles, it was on the day of pentecost... They were not the ones celebrating pentecost... The Jews were!

That's why I asked you to tell me what a pentecostal church is.

I saw you wrote betrayal? Really? How did he betray PFN? Who took Chris Oyakhilome and Christ Embassy to the Nigerian Government, for the banning of Atmosphere of Miracles?

Let's not derail this thread... If you want to discuss this further, open a thread and invite me.

Emmm... I did not quote the latter part of your story, as Joagbaje, because it was much sillier than the former... No need addressing it.

@adedoks, no offence taken!

BLW Inc is a Pentecostal church! In other words, it is a 'Holy Ghost church'. I have heard read this in your ROR a long time ago.

I have also heard pastor say something about BLW being a catholic church. But its either he is confused about the type of christianity he preaches, or he/you do not know the definition of a pentecostal church.

I understand it when you all say your church is a catholic church. The word catholic stems from the greek word 'katholikos'; which means universal. So when you say your church is catholic, you are actually saying it is universal. That means they have one practice and belief the world over. If that's the case, then all chruches are catholic!

A pentecostal church is that church that emphasizes more on the gift of the holy ghost especially prophesy, speaking in tongues and healing. In otherwords, it is that church where the physical manifestaion of those gifts, is very frequent. Is speaking in tongues common in BLW? Yes! In fact, that's how they pray! (i can see you laugh already). Is healing common in BLW? The answer is a resounding YES! Infact, there is what they call atmosphere of miracles. Do they believe in prophesy? Last time i checked, this year for them, is the year of SPREADING!!! Since all these can be found in huge measures in BLW, it therefore means the BLW is a Pentecostal church!

A catholic church on the other hand, is a church whose basis of faith is on the sacred scriptures and sacred traditions dating back to antiquity (first century). It is therefore not only catholic (universal), it is also apostolic.

On the betrayal, you got me confused there. It seems you answered so many people all in one post and it also seems you did not get my point clearly.

When i mentioned betrayal, i wasn't saying Oyakhilome was the one who betrayed CAN and PFN. I meant it the other way round. CAN and PFN were the ones who betrayed BLW and i think the whole thing was about jealousy. They felt threatened by Oyakhilome's ability to peform Miracles and they saw his ministry rising very fast.

I remember in the 90s when he first started showing his Atm of miracles, he would sit down and so many letters will be piled up before him and he would pray over them. He would also say that he could see some people recieivng their healing. They would show the national stadium and how packed it was. When any church sees that kind of a rise, why do you think they wouldn't feel threatened?

After the ban was when he left for his PhD in the US, i suspect. When he came back, he started showing atm of faith instead. The truth is, the ban on atm of miracles really hampered the growth of BLW in Nigeria. But there is also another benefit it has brought for the ministry. Showing atm of faith instead of just atm of miracles, has helped make more people believe in him the more. It made it more possible for many more people to stop being skeptical about where his powers came from.

After the ban, he took the ministry to Southern Africa where there was the AIDS epidemic. Our loss became SA's gain.

craziebone:

BLW Inc is a Pentecostal church! In other words, it is a 'Holy Ghost church'. I have heard read this in your ROR a long time ago.

https://www.nairaland.com/161004/chris-oyakhilome-phoney/6#2786600
read this

no ROR said what you claim

I have also heard pastor say something about BLW being a catholic church. But its either he is confused about the type of christianity he preaches, or he/you do not know the definition of a pentecostal church.

you are the confused one.

I understand it when you all say your church is a catholic church. The word catholic stems from the greek word 'katholikos'; which means universal. So when you say your church is catholic, you are actually saying it is universal. That means they have one practice and belief the world over. If that's the case, then all chruches are catholic!

A pentecostal church is that church that emphasizes more on the gift of the holy ghost especially prophesy, speaking in tongues and healing. In otherwords, it is that church where the physical manifestaion of those gifts, is very frequent. Is speaking in tongues common in BLW? Yes! In fact, that's how they pray! (i can see you laugh already). Is healing common in BLW? The answer is a resounding YES! Infact, there is what they call atmosphere of miracles. Do they believe in prophesy? Last time i checked, this year for them, is the year of SPREADING!!! Since all these can be found in huge measures in BLW, it therefore means the BLW is a Pentecostal church!

Wrong!!!
Read the link above, it spans far back 2008. Learn...please

A catholic church on the other hand, is a church whose basis of faith is on the sacred scriptures and sacred traditions dating back to antiquity (first century). It is therefore not only catholic (universal), it is also apostolic.

Another day's topic

On the betrayal, you got me confused there. It seems you answered so many people all in one post and it also seems you did not get my point clearly.

When i mentioned betrayal, i wasn't saying Oyakhilome was the one who betrayed CAN and PFN. I meant it the other way round. CAN and PFN were the ones who betrayed BLW and i think the whole thing was about jealousy. They felt threatened by Oyakhilome's ability to peform Miracles and they saw his ministry rising very fast.

Exactly

I remember in the 90s when he first started showing his Atm of miracles, he would sit down and so many letters will be piled up before him and he would pray over them. He would also say that he could see some people recieivng their healing. They would show the national stadium and how packed it was. When any church sees that kind of a rise, why do you think they wouldn't feel threatened?

I'd have mentioned names, but.. no need. Great job bro

After the ban was when he left for his PhD in the US, i suspect. When he came back, he started showing atm of faith instead. The truth is, the ban on atm of miracles really hampered the growth of BLW in Nigeria.

It didn't... He went on satellite broadcast, reaching over a billion people, as against the 120 million Nigerians as at then.

But there is also another benefit it has brought for the ministry. Showing atm of faith instead of just atm of miracles, has helped make more people believe in him the more. It made it more possible for many more people to stop being skeptical about where his powers came from.

After the ban, he took the ministry to Southern Africa where there was the AIDS epidemic. Our loss became SA's gain.

Exactly.

thank you

Joagbaje:




1 Peter 4:15
15 But let none of you suffer as a busybody in other men's matters.


If a minister experience a challenge what the body of christ need do is simply to pray ,let the will of God be done . All these talk talk on who is guilty should stop . It's carnal . Or is it because it's pastor chris the news maker . Yes na other ministers who even divorced their own wives were not talked about. A minister in lagos divorced and mary and divorced twice . It didn't cause stir life moved on.

But Pastor Chris never requested that the body of Christ should pray for him, he maintained that he was sinless whether he meant that his sins do not count or that he is not involved in any within the period of the separation, accusation and counter accusations. I don't know
But he said we should pray for Anita. And that I have done, thanking God for delivering Anita from that pseudo Christianity and having hopes that one day Pastor Chris will also turn a new leaf, and both coming together again to promote something real

Topgainer:

But Pastor Chris never requested that the body of Christ should pray for him

He has, and will...
Go through that prayer times with Pastor Chris, and see for yourself.

he maintained that he was sinless whether he meant that his sins do not count or that he is not involved in any within the period of the separation, accusation and counter accusations. I don't know

You just lied... Else, provide proof... Video is preferable.

But he said we should pray for Anita.

.. And, what's wrong with that?

And that I have done,

Good... Now, do something more - mind your business

thanking God for delivering Anita from that pseudo Christianity and having hopes that one day Pastor Chris will also turn a new leaf, and both coming together again to promote something real

He said you should pray, not fantasise!

Topgainer:

But Pastor Chris never requested that the body of Christ should pray for him.

He doesn't need to . It's part of our priestly ministry as saints to pray one for another . I don't know if I should quote scripture for you on that . But My point is ,Instead of gossiping , pray!

he maintained that he was sinless whether he meant that his sins do not count or that he is not involved in any within the period of the separation, accusation and counter accusations. I don't know

Stop quoting what never was. He didn't say that.

But he said we should pray for Anita. And that I have done,

thanking God for delivering Anita from that pseudo Christianity

I don't know what you mean

Hello @Gombs and @Joeagbaje check out this thread and have your say.
https://www.nairaland.com/3026020/power-forgive-sin-pst-chris

dollarlander:


Remember, before the death of elder oyakhilome. He caught pastor chris in the white house, with a lady rubbing cream in his head, the jerry curl, his father wasn't happy with the state he met them especially pastor chris wearing boxers lying on the floor the lady on top rubbing cream.

Elder oyakhilome then ordered pastor Anita to come back home from UK and when she arrived pastor chris moved to the church.

Is that rumour also?
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See, the church is too controversial. Especially the jerry curls men wear in the church does not show you guys are serious.

Yes the church may be growing bigger because it is designed to attract young people like beautiful ladies dressed indecently. Boobs and butts display and sex. By the time those youngsters have serious spiritual issue they will find their way out and seek solutions to their problems.

You have a very active imaginaton... unfortunately, so full of immorality. So the millions of members we have all around the world have had no serious problems yet? Interesting.

20 years ago we were called children's church. It's funny how 20 years after, we are still refered to as children. [PSALM 103:5 comes to mind]

Young people are not as stupid as you think. The fact that young people keep pouring into the church in every nation is a sign that the future belongs to us.

It is clear that the Lord has given him (Dr. Chris) the nations.

jmann2:
How much were you paid for this.
You are so bias and partial.
What if pastor Anita is your sister, will you write such about her?

GOD IS WATCHING YOU. Don't get involved in this.
It will affect your marriage too.
If you are wise, your wisdom will reward you

A wise observation.

ogunsam75:
Am sure there is more to the issue than the way we are looking at t, I followed the closely from the media but all what I did is to pray for both of them privately, I even fasted for them cos Marriage is more spiritual and when Satan want to destroy someone he started from the marriage! But am sure they will soon come back together, if u asked Chris he will justify himself likewise Anita, plz I beg u all IJN don't blame anyone of them instead pray for them! Am not a member of Christ Embassy alas I attend a white garment church! But I believe both of them are called by God and they both need our assistance in a time like this.

The stand a true believer should be gaking rather than being partisan like the originator of the post.

vooks:

How do you know there was no adultery?

Touche!

4C2215131:


A wise observation.

mtchew... SMH

donnie:


mtchew... SMH

Smirk all you want, it doesn't detract from the truth one bit.

Gombs:



Hello buddy, how's you? Guess great! Emmm, about the above, let me oblige you. Let's get going, there are at least 2 sources that tell us that Moses spent some time in Ethiopia and was required to marry their queen.

He did not consummate the relationship ever, as she was not of the covenant. This was the Ethiopian about which Aaron and Miriam complained; maybe because Moses' precedent with her (non-consummation, or at least non-continuance of the relationship) was carried on to virtuous Zipporah as well.

Zipporah was a Midianite, not an Ethiopian - the other wife was an Ethiopian.

Why did he send her away?

You know she saved moses' life by the circumcision, when God came to whoop him for not circumcising his kid.


"And it came to pass, on the way to the lodging place, that the Lord met him and sought to kill him.

Then Zipporah took a flint and cut off the foreskin of her son and cast it at his feet, and she said: 'Surely a bridegroom of blood art thou to me.'

So he let him alone. Then she said: 'A bridegroom of blood in regard of the circumcision.' "

Now, I still don't know what she meant by the latter part sha, but... She saved Moses, and he went on to lead the Hebrews out of slavery.

However, despite her bravery and quick thinking, Moses doesn't treat Zipporah especially well or act particularly grateful.

Moses sends her and the children away before the Exodus from Egypt. Later, they reunited.

Was she divorced?

Emmm, can't say exactly (if anyone knows that much, let me know), but if the Bible said they reunited later on, and the fact that he remarried, I think it's possible she was divorced or they separated. But, here is what I think...

It's possible that Moses also did not want to take his wife and their two sons to Egypt to avoid giving Pharoah an opportunity to hold them hostage, thus interfering with any negotiating ability of Moses and Aaron, and since he'd be long in Egypt, I think it's logical too.

Joagbaje's point thus is, did the separation make moses a failure, seeing that he took another wife?

Thanks Gombs, not really interested in Jo or anyone else's point, or the primary subject of discussion. Was just caught by the Moses story. Can't say much for or against your explanation either, it is not clearly stated(in the Bible) but assumed. Thanks all the same.

ogunsam75:
Am sure there is more to the issue than the way we are looking at t, I followed the closely from the media but all what I did is to pray for both of them privately, I even fasted for them cos Marriage is more spiritual and when Satan want to destroy someone he started from the marriage! But am sure they will soon come back together, if u asked Chris he will justify himself likewise Anita, plz I beg u all IJN don't blame anyone of them instead pray for them! Am not a member of Christ Embassy alas I attend a white garment church! But I believe both of them are called by God and they both need our assistance in a time like this.

nice one. Many follow d downward spiral, hoping for the worse. If only we prayed instead of anticipating evil. This marriage failure is a dirty slap on d entire body of Christ. I prayed for reconciliation but i knew things had gone beyond repair when
1. Members of CEC started taking sides(. Like d op has done). I was a memeber at d time and i noticed d defensive posture that was taken. I spoke and read from members on both sides of d divide. It was like 'dis is d time to defend Pastor if truly i beleive him'. Same applied to members in d uk
2. When court ruled for out of court reconciliation/settlement yet... That goes a long way to reveal d kind of advisers/friends both Parties had
3. When i watched Ps Chrs on a communion service address d issue. It really broke my heart as he displayed a 'no going back', 'dis is war, choose ur ally', hiegthened ego speech. Ye dint say 'pray for us'. Dis dude said 'pray for her'. damn, dat was something. What happened to love, maturity, forgiveness, all d christlikeness he was preaching.

One fact remains, nothing can change d stand of an average CEC member about dis. She was wrong...he was right. And i do understand their conviction, i just done agree with it. If a conviction breeds any fruit that doesnt glorify Christ, its not worth following

d power tussle has been there since 2006. It was no news that instructions were adhered to depending on who instructed. She was head but she was in charge.

Gombs:
Thank you Oh my father, for giving me your son, and leaving your spirit till your work on earth is done.

Amen

God bless you for this song.