This thread is for Christians. LOGICAL ANSWERS ONLY. No blind faith.

1.) Why did God tell Adam & Eve not to eat of a particular fruit in the garden of eden FOREKNOWING (John, Isaiah, Romans stresses the foreknowledge of God) that they will eat it, but yet PUNISH ALL DESCENDANTS of adam & eve for stuff they had no control over and then send them to hell for it?

2.) God gave man reproductive functions and the ability to be attracted to women & vice versa. Why then should God punish men for being attracted to women - to be punished for exercising innate reproductive functions.

3.) If all sexual attraction between men & women is sinful and the body's of Christians is the temple of God, this means you will never really date anybody because you will be too scared to admit you are attracted to the person lest you offend God.

4.) Why has God historically appointed people to positions with foreknowledge and then punish them for failing to meet up. This thread is not bashing God but pure wondering as it doesnt make any sesnse. Fallen angels were predestined to fall - then why were they made angels in the first place? Judas Iscariot PREDESTINED to betray Christ - then why was he selected a disciple in the first place; adam will inevitably fail in the garden but he is still instructed not to eat a particular fruit why

5.) It has been stated in some Christian quarters that God delights in creating and that is why He proceeded with the human experiment. This concept portrays God as wicked. Go to the child with HIV in Kenya & tell him that God delights in creating thats why he was created - talkless of the fact that God knows the end from the beginning?

6.) Why has God set traps (sin) for human beings waiting for whoever fails so that he can be thrown to hell.

7.) Why does God get angry over small things and instead of correcting people sends earthquakes, famines, etc?

8.) Demons exist today. Many demons tempt men & women into sin leading to hell. God is AWARE of this. If God truly loved the human race, He will destroy ALL demons so that every person can go to heaven.

9.) In many Christian quarters, it is said that God tests people - why since God knows the outcome of everything.

more underway,

Please respond intelligently. thanks.

another intellectual retard. . . .pretending to be asking questions,, . . . .what a disgrace.

The answers are all in the Quran. Maybe you can be my guest and open a similar thread in muslim sectio

Abuzola:

The answers are all in the Quran. Maybe you can be my guest and open a similar thread in muslim sectio

where did allah put them?

Anybody with common sense will know dat all these jewish fable & Tales from Arabian night are written by illetrates.
@ poster nice observation.

Thou pathetic retard, why don't you just give an answer to cowmeat question instead of buncing to avoid it. What a shame

noetic2:

another intellectual retard. . . .pretending to be asking questions,, . . . .what a disgrace.

Will you stop using words like intellectual? You are not an intellectual and will never be. He asked very simple questions and as usual you are displaying how tensed you are, I have told you to go and get your little d.ick sucked and stop getting all worked up over nothing(A nice Mouth Gig will do you a lot of good).

CowMeat:

This thread is for Christians. LOGICAL ANSWERS ONLY. No blind faith.

Uhmm blind faith itself is the reason you dont understand these issues yourself.

CowMeat:

1.) Why did God tell Adam & Eve not to eat of a particular fruit in the garden of eden FOREKNOWING (John, Isaiah, Romans stresses the foreknowledge of God) that they will eat it, but yet PUNISH ALL DESCENDANTS of adam & eve for stuff they had no control over and then send them to hell for it?

There were 2 scenarios:

a. Adam would eat the fruit
b. Adam would not eat the fruit

Both had different consequences. God knew EXACTLY what would happen should both scenarios occur and the consequences . . . however he gave Adam the freewill to choose which of the two he wanted. Adam prefered scenario A and the consequences that followed was his alone to bear.

Not God's fault.

CowMeat:

2.) God gave man reproductive functions and the ability to be attracted to women & vice versa. Why then should God punish men for being attracted to women - to be punished for exercising innate reproductive functions.

This makes no sense. Here is an example . . . the American government knows that some will commit murder anyway so why do they continue to produce legislation that makes obtaining a license for a gun very easy and at the same time preparing gallows for those who would use those same laws to procure weapons to kill their neighbours?

That is exactly the kind of circular logic employed in the above question from cowmeat. God gave us the ability to be attracted to our mates BUT within a certain framework - MARRIAGE! Anything outside that framework is wrong.

You have the ability to drive . . . but would you drive on water?

CowMeat:

3.) If all sexual attraction between men & women is sinful and the body's of Christians is the temple of God, this means you will never really date anybody because you will be too scared to admit you are attracted to the person lest you offend God.

This "question" starts with a false premise (actually reveals the intent of the person asking the question is not really because he/she wants to learn) . . . not all sexual attraction between a man and woman is sin. Sexual attraction between married couples is not a sin.

Again this individual continues with another false premise . . . that dating MUST include sexual tension or sexual sin. Extrapolating his own indiscipline unto others who by the grace of God successfully date their partners without falling into sexual temptation.

Again he finishes up with YET another false premise . . . that being attracted to someone is purely on a sexual basis.

CowMeat:

4.) Why has God historically appointed people to positions with foreknowledge and then punish them for failing to meet up. This thread is not bashing God but pure wondering as it doesnt make any sesnse. Fallen angels were predestined to fall - then why were they made angels in the first place? Judas Iscariot PREDESTINED to betray Christ - then why was he selected a disciple in the first place; adam will inevitably fail in the garden but he is still instructed not to eat a particular fruit why

See response to question 1.

CowMeat:

5.) It has been stated in some Christian quarters that God delights in creating and that is why He proceeded with the human experiment. This concept portrays God as wicked. Go to the child with HIV in Kenya & tell him that God delights in creating thats why he was created - talkless of the fact that God knows the end from the beginning?

Again a false presumption. God is the same one who created the man from Kenya and the one from Norway . . . why do they have a different standard of living? Did God give the Norwegian a special talent He forgot to give the Kenyan?

the Kenyan child with HIV has no reason to blame God, if the Norwegian can use his own freewill to create a fantastic society for his own child . . . then what is the excuse of the Kenyan government?

CowMeat:

6.) Why has God set traps (sin) for human beings waiting for whoever fails so that he can be thrown to hell.

Apart from the fact that God didnt set you a trap . . . u're just blaming Him for your own indiscretion, sin and indiscipline . . . He has also set you a route of escape - salvation through the blood of Jesus Christ. Use it and stop whinning.

CowMeat:

7.) Why does God get angry over small things and instead of correcting people sends earthquakes, famines, etc?

Again a false premise. If God got angry over small things, mr or mrs cowmeat would long have died after posting this thread.

CowMeat:

8.) Demons exist today. Many demons tempt men & women into sin leading to hell. God is AWARE of this. If God truly loved the human race, He will destroy ALL demons so that every person can go to heaven.

Again another false premise - demons dont tempt people into sin, they sin of their own accord. This attitude of blaming everyone else but our own sinful desires for our failures is just pathetic.

CowMeat:

9.) In many Christian quarters, it is said that God tests people - why since God knows the outcome of everything.

Why does your teacher set you the WAEC exam? shldnt he just let you move on to college without having to test your knowledge?

CowMeat:

more underway,

Please respond intelligently. thanks.

Much of the questions here were not intelligent to start with.

David poor attempt, what you did is expressing your view/suggestion/opine- you did not quote a single verse to support your answers, this is tantamount to like saying 'SATAN will go to heaven because God is full of mercy' as you can see no verse was quoted but just mere insinuation

toneyb:

Will you stop using words like intellectual? You are not an intellectual and will never be. He asked very simple questions and as usual you are displaying how tensed you are, I have told you to go and get your little d.ick sucked and stop getting all worked up over nothing(A nice Mouth Gig will do you a lot of good).

what a brigand! will u stop embarrassing urself?

Hahaha, the truth hurts. Why not answer the question, son of crucified father

@ tonyb thank you for restraining noetic2 in unnescessary use of uncilivised words in a civil debate.

David. Sorry but your answers are mostly invalid or do not answet the question. I will give some scriptures to prove there is no free will in the Bible. I am a Christian. I was not saved through my will but because God willed the salvation to come to pass (though it seemed I "chose" but it was a God controlled choice).

There were 2 scenarios:

a. Adam would eat the fruit
b. Adam would not eat the fruit

Both had different consequences. God knew EXACTLY what would happen should both scenarios occur and the consequences . . . however he gave Adam the freewill to choose which of the two he wanted. Adam prefered scenario A and the consequences that followed was his alone to bear.

Not God's fault.

David, Adam did not choose, God knew which fruit adam will eat before He even created Adam.
Biblical Proof:
Isaiah 46:10
I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please. (NIV)
David, there is no free will in the Bible AT ALL.


[QUOTE]This makes no sense. Here is an example . . . the American government knows that some will commit murder anyway so why do they continue to produce legislation that makes obtaining a license for a gun very easy and at the same time preparing gallows for those who would use those same laws to procure weapons to kill their neighbours?

That is exactly the kind of circular logic employed in the above question from cowmeat. God gave us the ability to be attracted to our mates BUT within a certain framework - MARRIAGE! Anything outside that framework is wrong.

You have the ability to drive . . . but would you drive on water? [/QUOTE]
Attraction preceeds relationship status which precedes marriage. The guy in most normal cases will first be attracted to the woman (so in other words is attraction lust?) before the  marriage is thought of.  If being attracted to a woman is lust and is punishable by God then it is impossible to get happily married because you will always avoid admiring attractive female features which means you will never be attracted to anybody.

This "question" starts with a false premise (actually reveals the intent of the person asking the question is not really because he/she wants to learn) . . . not all sexual attraction between a man and woman is sin. Sexual attraction between married couples is not a sin.

Again this individual continues with another false premise . . . that dating MUST include sexual tension or sexual sin. Extrapolating his own indiscipline unto others who by the grace of God successfully date their partners without falling into sexual temptation.

Again he finishes up with YET another false premise . . . that being attracted to someone is purely on a sexual basis.

For the purpose of this discussion, attraction aka sexual attraction is the unconscious drawing of a male to a female or vice versa upon receiving/perceiving certain cues (physical or behavioural). For example, for men, a pretty young face or curvy body shape & boobs is generally sub consciously attractive to men. To start dating a woman, most guys must normally be attracted at some level. Will it be sinful for a guy to admire boobs & hips with the aim of dating the woman subsequently?
David, I wont be wasting time asking questions I have the answers to.

See response to question 1.

I will prove to you that there is no free will in the bible. Please prove your position with scriptures of your own. however, i dont want to derail this thread; I will just provide the strongest verses.
1 Cor 1.30 "Of God are ye in Christ, who of God is made unto us, " This means salvation originates from God. "in Christ", means saved and in the new creation, no longer "in Adam".
Jer 1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew [a] you,
       before you were born I set you apart;
       I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."
Jeremiah DID NOT CHOOSE TO BE A PROPHET. SAYING THIS WILL BE NEGATING THE STATEMENT OF MOST HOLY JEHOVAH THE LIVING GOD.



[QUOTE]Again a false presumption. God is the same one who created the man from Kenya and the one from Norway . . . why do they have a different standard of living? Did God give the Norwegian a special talent He forgot to give the Kenyan?

the Kenyan child with HIV has no reason to blame God, if the Norwegian can use his own freewill to create a fantastic society for his own child . . . then what is the excuse of the Kenyan government?[/QUOTE]
God said: Rom 8:13 As it is written, "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."
There is no free will in the Bible David. This is not to discredit God. He knows what He is doing but as far as free willis concerned, it doesnt exist.
As per your response, God controls nations. What I am saying is that it is unfair for God to create me and make me the member of a poor nation out of a creation experiment. Furthermore, so if a nurse mistakenly gives u an injection with hiv infected syringe, you got it out of your own "free will" - WHICH DOESNT EXIST IN THE BIBLE.

[QUOTE]Apart from the fact that God didnt set you a trap . . . u're just blaming Him for your own indiscretion, sin and indiscipline . . . He has also set you a route of escape - salvation through the blood of Jesus Christ. Use it and stop whinning[/QUOTE]
I agree with you on this.

[QUOTE]Again a false premise. If God got angry over small things, mr or mrs cowmeat would long have died after posting this thread.[/QUOTE]
God gave man a brain, why cant man use it? It would be ridiculous for God to kill a man because of an inquisition thread - and when most of the cases presented are true in human reasoning. And killing me will even better, because if I had a choice I simply dont want to exist.

[QUOTE]Again another false premise - demons dont tempt people into sin, they sin of their own accord. This attitude of blaming everyone else but our own sinful desires for our failures is just pathetic[/QUOTE].
This reveals your level of maturity in christianity is limited. There are specific armies of demons of temptation (whose duty is just to stir people into sin), lust, deaf & dumb spirit, spirit of homosexuality, etc.

Why does your teacher set you the WAEC exam? shldnt he just let you move on to college without having to test your knowledge

?
Statement 1: Many are called, but few are chosen.
Statement 2: Isaiah 46:10 I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please. (NIV)
Inference: since God knows the end from the beginning, amongst the called, He already knows those that will pass His tests and those that will fail even before the tests are given (compare with Jer 1:5).

CowMeat:

David. Sorry but your answers are mostly invalid or do not answet the question.

i would have been totally shocked if i answered your "questions". It was obvious they were never framed to be answered.

CowMeat:

I will give some scriptures to prove there is no free will in the Bible. I am a Christian. I was not saved through my will but because God willed the salvation to come to pass (though it seemed I "chose" but it was a God controlled choice).

Maybe in label only but certainly not in terms of a deep personal relationship with the Father.

I dont think you understand how your will plays when it comes to salvation. God cant force salvation on you, if He could there would be no unsaved soul left on the planet. You HAVE TO acknowledge, of your own freewill, that you are a sinner and that without the blood of Christ there is no redemption into grace for you . . . that there is YOUR OWN WILL AND DESIRE.

However salvation in itself is a gift of God to you . . . but you MUST DESIRE IT FIRST!

CowMeat:

David, Adam did not choose, God knew which fruit adam will eat before He even created Adam.
Biblical Proof:
Isaiah 46:10
I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please. (NIV)
David, there is no free will in the Bible AT ALL.

1. That is pure rubbish. You need to do more than just cherrypick verses that support your heresy and quote them out of context.

2. I explained it earlier . . . God is all-knowing . . . He knew what would happen shld Adam obey and refuse to eat the fruit or what would happen should Adam disobey and eat the fruit. However it was entirely Adam's choice to either eat or not eat . . . he chose of his own free will to eat the fruit.

- The verse you quote is sadly a symptom of Christ-less folks . . . forcing your own interpretation into the bible. God says in Isaiah that He will do all that He pleases . . . that unfortunately for you does not include forcing you to sin. If we are to extrapolate from your own comments, are you indicating that it is God that makes you fornicate or lie or cheat? Afterall you have no freewill?

CowMeat:

Attraction preceeds relationship status which precedes marriage. The guy in most normal cases will first be attracted to the woman (so in other words is attraction lust?) before the  marriage is thought of.  If being attracted to a woman is lust and is punishable by God then it is impossible to get happily married because you will always avoid admiring attractive female features which means you will never be attracted to anybody.

Again you falsely and ignorantly try to substitute your own experience as the norm. Attraction to a woman does not ALWAYS involve lust. Perhaps to you it does but to a lot of people who see a woman as something more than a pair of perky boobs and hips . . . it doesnt apply.

CowMeat:

For the purpose of this discussion, attraction aka sexual attraction is the unconscious drawing of a male to a female or vice versa upon receiving/perceiving certain cues (physical or behavioural). For example, for men, a pretty young face or curvy body shape & boobs is generally sub consciously attractive to men. To start dating a woman, most guys must normally be attracted at some level. Will it be sinful for a guy to admire boobs & hips with the aim of dating the woman subsequently?
David, I wont be wasting time asking questions I have the answers to.

Attraction can occur on several levels . . . i can be attracted to a woman as a platonic friend, i can be attracted to her as an intelligent work partner, sexual attraction seems to be your own way with women . . .

Is it a sin to lust after a woman? Yes. But that is the beauty of grace, God knew that if we were to sacrifice a goat for every sin we commit (similar to what the Jews were doing) goats would long have been extinct. So He came down Himself and shed His blood for our sins once and for all.

the good news is this . . . God set the law, He also set the punishment (the wages of sin is death) but He also came to pay the price for our iniquities . . . even the ones we are yet to commit.

The gospel is not about NEVER falling into error once you become saved but that God convicts you of sin (maybe lust in your case) so that you can repent and be forgiven.

Now shld you take that grace for granted and WILFULLY sin? No.

CowMeat:

I will prove to you that there is no free will in the bible. Please prove your position with scriptures of your own. however, i dont want to derail this thread; I will just provide the strongest verses.
1 Cor 1.30 "Of God are ye in Christ, who of God is made unto us, " This means salvation originates from God. "in Christ", means saved and in the new creation, no longer "in Adam".
Jer 1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew [a] you,
       before you were born I set you apart;
       I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."
Jeremiah DID NOT CHOOSE TO BE A PROPHET. SAYING THIS WILL BE NEGATING THE STATEMENT OF MOST HOLY JEHOVAH THE LIVING GOD.

Ok one single example of Jeremiah and that is all the prove you have that the remaining 6 billion of us have no freewill?

I already explained the issue of salvation, salvation indeed originates from God but until you genuinely repent and realise that you need salvation, you wont just wake up and find yourself saved by force.

Does God choose a select people to do His work? Yes . . . Does that mean the rest of us are programmed to be bone-headed sinners? No!

This excuse that there is no freewill in the bible is just a devilish excuse for continuing a life of sin.

CowMeat:

God said: Rom 8:13 As it is written, "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."
There is no free will in the Bible David. This is not to discredit God. He knows what He is doing but as far as free willis concerned, it doesnt exist.

That again is an oft used excuse by atheists and sinners to justify their own perfidy. Why did God hate Esau before He was born? Because He, knowing the end from the begining, had already known the kind of man Esau would become. Was it Isaac's fault that Esau turned out the way he ended? No . . . infact it is recorded that when Esau knew that it would displease his parents to marry from outside the family, he DELIBERATELY went out and chose not one but 2 foreign women . . .

how was that God's fault?

CowMeat:

As per your response, God controls nations. What I am saying is that it is unfair for God to create me and make me the member of a poor nation out of a creation experiment.

God gave your country enough resources not to be poor. It is not his fault if Nigeria, the 6th largest producer of oil, is poorer than England with no drop of oil.

Malaysia and China were worse than Nigeria in 1964 . . . those people too would have grumbled that God was unfair to make them malaysians instead of Nigerians . . . but what do we see today?

Stop whinning and build your nation like others have done! America didnt become the land it is today because God just specially dropped technology on them in their sleep!

CowMeat:

This reveals your level of maturity in christianity is limited. There are specific armies of demons of temptation (whose duty is just to stir people into sin), lust, deaf & dumb spirit, spirit of homosexuality, etc.

and the bible says - resist the devil and he will flee from you.
and the bible also says - flee all appearance of evil.

Demons can only tempt you IF YOU GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO! The devil wont bring porn into your house unless you either buy videos or subscribe through cable TV.

CowMeat:

Statement 1: Many are called, but few are chosen.
Statement 2: Isaiah 46:10 I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please. (NIV)
Inference: since God knows the end from the beginning, amongst the called, He already knows those that will pass His tests and those that will fail even before the tests are given (compare with Jer 1:5).

Many students are admitted into school, only a few will be straight A students. Is that the fault of the school principal?

Davidlyan,

1.) I have given you the Word of God proving that there is no free will in the Bible. Give supporting verses from the Bible and not your own ideas. You say I cherry picked verses - please give 10 verses for free will in he Bible and I can easily give you 50 for no-free will.
2.)Acts "And as many as were appointed to eternal life believed"

1. That is pure rubbish. You need to do more than just cherrypick verses that support your heresy and quote them out of context.

2. I explained it earlier . . . God is all-knowing . . . He knew what would happen shld Adam obey and refuse to eat the fruit or what would happen should Adam disobey and eat the fruit. However it was entirely Adam's choice to either eat or not eat . . . he chose of his own free will to eat the fruit.

- The verse you quote is sadly a symptom of Christ-less folks . . . forcing your own interpretation into the bible. God says in Isaiah that He will do all that He pleases . . . that unfortunately for you does not include forcing you to sin. If we are to extrapolate from your own comments, are you indicating that it is God that makes you fornicate or lie or cheat? Afterall you have no freewill?

I give proof - you give sentiment. Please give proof to support your assertion just like I have done - easier since we are both christians. take sections of my last post at a time, make a direct addressing statement giving your rebuttal so i can respond so we can avoid beating about the bush. Its not enough to emotionally say there is free will - where is concrete evidence?

Again you falsely and ignorantly try to substitute your own experience as the norm. Attraction to a woman does not ALWAYS involve lust. Perhaps to you it does but to a lot of people who see a woman as something more than a pair of perky boobs and hips . . . it doesnt apply.

You are arguing sideways, address my statements.

Attraction can occur on several levels . . . i can be attracted to a woman as a platonic friend, i can be attracted to her as an intelligent work partner, sexual attraction seems to be your own way with women . . .

For the purpose of this discussion, lets use the definition of sexual attaction I have given.

Ok one single example of Jeremiah and that is all the prove you have that the remaining 6 billion of us have no freewill?  Shocked

I already explained the issue of salvation, salvation indeed originates from God but until you genuinely repent and realise that you need salvation, you wont just wake up and find yourself saved by force.

Does God choose a select people to do His work? Yes . . . Does that mean the rest of us are programmed to be bone-headed sinners? No!

you are circumventing the issue. i told you jer 1.5 is the strongest proof I have. You are not addressing the issue. You introduce the word sinner - now please this may create problem since we may have different definitions of sinner - so what is your definition of sinner?

This excuse that there is no freewill in the bible is just a devilish excuse for continuing a life of sin.

That again is an oft used excuse by atheists and sinners to justify their own perfidy. Why did God hate Esau before He was born? Because He, knowing the end from the begining, had already known the kind of man Esau would become. Was it Isaac's fault that Esau turned out the way he ended? No . . . infact it is recorded that when Esau knew that it would displease his parents to marry from outside the family, he DELIBERATELY went out and chose not one but 2 foreign women . . .
how was that God's fault?

Your premise is wrong because you are accsusing God of not caring for the beings he created. God seeing from the beginning that Esau will derail will either not create esau or will ensure his ills are corrected.

Demons can only tempt you IF YOU GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO! The devil wont bring porn into your house unless you either buy videos or subscribe through cable TV.

You seem again to not understand the sphere and manner of demonic operation.

Many students are admitted into school, only a few will be straight A students. Is that the fault of the school principal

?
principal is not God. If God were the principal, He will admit only intelligent students in the class and ensure ALL ADMITTED STUDENTS GET THE A GRADE HE HAS ASKED THEM TO GET. ANYTHING SHORT OF THAT IS UNFAIR BECAUSE BY ADMITING THE STUDENTS INTO THE CLASS, HE GAVE THEM HIGH HOPES ONLY TO LET THEM FAIL. THATS THE POINT.

Guys remember I am very interested in answers from other God fearing christians too. I wont be wasting my time here just for fun. So keep the answers coming.

@cowmeat
LOL LOL so the bible does not even support freewill. Help me ask that child you are arguing with how God is all knowing if he knows what both scenarios are without knowing which one adam will choose?

@Chrisbenogor
I must be very careful not to comment because I am not Jehovah who is the author. i have presented my convictions in this thread but i no be God oh! Exactly, davidlyan, is position will make God not all knowing!

NB: Chrisbenogor I hope you are a christian now Amen .

davidylan:

i would have been totally shocked if i answered your "questions". It was obvious they were never framed to be answered.

I was surprised u actually replied and answered his "posers", as it was pretty obvious he was just another brainless atheist posing to be asking questions.

The questions were not created to be answered directly, they were simply designed to raise another round of meaningless argument. It is really pitiable what these junks do with their brains.

@ Noetic2
You can get Ojo out of the village but you cannot get the village out of Ojo. You reason like a fool - if you cant provide any answers, you come here to post rubbish - please refrain from further insults before i descend on you and put you in your place. Please mind your business as this is MY THREAD with only valuable contributors. I cannot waste my time exchanging words with you as my time is a lot valuable so if you are jobless and looking for who to exchange words with, sorry i cant help on this ocassion.

CowMeat:

@ Noetic2
You can get Ojo out of the village but you cannot get the village out of Ojo. You reason like a fool - if you cant provide any answers, you come here to post rubbish - please refrain from further insults before i descend on you and put you in your place. Please mind your business as this is MY THREAD with only valuable contributors. I cannot waste my time exchanging words with you as my time is a lot valuable so if you are jobless and looking for who to exchange words with, sorry i cant help on this ocassion.

1. I t is pretty obvious that u are a brainless maladroit and illiterate. . . . .at least thats what I deduced from ur thread.

2. u dont have a thread. this is a public forum. . . no body owns a thread. . . so wake up.

3. David has answered all your questions. . . . .but of course, those are not the preconceived answers u were expecting. . . , his answers were far more intelligent for ur brain to handle.

4. what EXACTLY is stopping u from descending on me?

@noetic
I thought christians dont use abusive words the questions cowmeat raised, am sure will be bothering your mind from time to time you just dont want to conceed to your fears.
If you cant answer the questions, stay off the thread than use fowl language! christianity has no answer to the yearnings of man so sad to note! Brother it's hard to fight your conscience these questions stare at you answer them.

NB: In as much as I cant kill myself nor do I wish to die I wish I never existed

rich_john:

@noetic
I thought christians dont use abusive words the questions cowmeat raised, am sure will be bothering your mind from time to time you just dont want to conceed to your fears.
If you cant answer the questions, stay off the thread than use fowl language! christianity has no answer to the yearnings of man so sad to note! Brother it's hard to fight your conscience these questions stare at you answer them.

NB: In as much as I cant kill myself nor do I wish to die I wish I never existed

what are u talking about?

how does truly descriptive adjectives constitute abuses?
his questions have been repeatedly answered as asked by numerous other atheists on this forum. and If I did not answer them, I believe David did just that. I have never given his post a thought. . .so it has no bearing on my conscience.

u could take ur own advice. . .and keep ur mouth shut.

@noetic
Dont tell me to shut up am actually typing not talking as for david's answer they aren't satisfactory enough, brother dont fight your conscience brother admit these things

rich_john:

@noetic
Dont tell me to shut up am actually typing not talking as for david's answer they aren't satisfactory enough, brother dont fight your conscience brother admit these things

1. why are David's answers not satisfactory?

2. what has my conscience got to do with all this?

Noetic

1. I t is pretty obvious that u are a brainless maladroit and illiterate. . . . .at least thats what I deduced from ur thread.

2. u dont have a thread. this is a public forum. . . no body owns a thread. . . so wake up.

3. David has answered all your questions. . . .  .but of course, those are not the preconceived answers u were expecting. . . , his answers were far more intelligent for ur brain to handle.

4. what EXACTLY is stopping u from descending on me?

you are so stupid that spending my time replying you is a waste - i have more important things to do. Using big words can actually be a sign of inferiority complex sometimes which I believe is plaguing you amongst other pyschotic disorders - please consult yur mental health doctor. once again this is my thread with valuable contributions welcome. Please kindly do not post on this thread again as you are not making any valuable contributions PLEASE. a civilised person will respect him self and stay off, but i can already guess you will be stupid enough to keep posting rubbish. Is is not schizophrenia & mental health disorder to start raining insults to someone you havent even spoken to before ON A PUBLIC FORUM. You must also have under lying self esteem issues. I actually want to spend more of my time talking to davidlyan who at least is making some sense. Please kindly stay off my thread, please kindly avoid insults, i am being as polite as i can be you pyschotic fool.

Please David, respond to my questions. It will please me to find scriptures contrary to what I think - so please search and suggest.

@ Noetic
Posts: 1543

Dont you have a life?
You need help. Next you will be trying to get dates off the internet you paedophile.

CowMeat:

Noetic
you are so stupid that spending my time replying you is a waste - i have more important things to do. Using big words can actually be a sign of inferiority complex sometimes which I believe is plaguing you amongst other pyschotic disorders - please consult yur mental health doctor. once again this is my thread with valuable contributions welcome. Please kindly do not post on this thread again as you are not making any valuable contributions PLEASE. a civilised person will respect him self and stay off, but i can already guess you will be stupid enough to keep posting rubbish. Is is not schizophrenia & mental health disorder to start raining insults to someone you havent even spoken to before ON A PUBLIC FORUM. You must also have under lying self esteem issues. I actually want to spend more of my time talking to davidlyan who at least is making some sense. Please kindly stay off my thread, please kindly avoid insults, i am being as polite as i can be you pyschotic fool.

Please David, respond to my questions. It will please me to find scriptures contrary to what I think - so please search and suggest.

is lunacy not a big deal?

CowMeat:

@ Noetic
Posts: 1543

Dont you have a life?
You need help. Next you will be trying to get dates off the internet you paedophile.

@cowmeat,

You already have a mansion in hell, Just go straight and don't have to apy any rent on earth any more. You're too moronic for my liking

how do you know he can't pay rent? na your papa get face me i face you

Any cogent responses please?

CowMeat:

Please David, respond to my questions. It will please me to find scriptures contrary to what I think - so please search and suggest.

At some point over the weekend, i was actually drafting a long response to your latest misdirected nonsense . . . but then it suddenly struck me . . . and noetic has very adroitly described this thread . . .

noetic2:

I was surprised u actually replied and answered his "posers", as it was pretty obvious he was just another brainless atheist posing to be asking questions.

The questions were not created to be answered directly, they were simply designed to raise another round of meaningless argument. It is really pitiable what these junks do with their brains.

On that basis you sir have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to come here asking me to "pls" answer your questions.

rich_john:

@noetic
Dont tell me to shut up am actually typing not talking as for david's answer they aren't satisfactory enough, brother dont fight your conscience brother admit these things

Of course since they are not what you wanted to hear. where are your own arguments against my answers? Brainless trolls.