Gaddafithe2nd:

Haha... So funny, tell me all your qualifications. You are lazy intellectually. I took you through research level. Even Femi Aribisala a pastor told you Christians that Christmas and Easter(Ishtar) are pagan festivities but you don't want to learn.
Do research don't depend on what your pastors says.
Let me give you an assignment, Google Tony Bushby.
Have a great day and celebrate your fvcking pagan festival.

mtceev,really how does Christmas and easter affect my salvation, do I smell Catholic,it is more a flexing day, I have even eat sallah rams before so wentin happen to me

erusen:
guy reed what I said about that verse,after reading you it was a metaphor, wentin you say make I come talk

there ar alot of things u cant defend in the bible. If u dont let it go u will become a sinner bible consist of alot of anolmalise even those that wrote it knows that that was why they constantly revise it

afoobabs:
there ar alot of things u cant defend in the bible. If u dont let it go u will become a sinner bible consist of alot of anolmalise even those that wrote it knows that that was why they constantly revise it

who is defending the bible?to who?,u ask a question I gave an answer as simple,no body have infinity knowledge about the bible,but bible student like me,we done more research on it,find more answers about it,the questions you ask are very cheap,there more compound issues about the bible that explain as bible students study more,just like a course in the university

Anyone who wants to know about the lie called Islam and the demon they worship in the Kaaba in the name of Allah should go and read "Who is this Allah?" by J.O. Moshay, a former chronic muslim now a christian

OpinionCounts:


Wow!! Did you say Christians very very intolerant Ok let us do a little tolerance test...I dare you to draw a caricature of mohammed and write on it "mohammed false prophet" take it to any muslim community while I will do same for Jesus and take it around the world to every christian community, let us see who will return alive to continue this discussion of tolerance.

You nailed it bro. Please I wanna buy you a drink. Lol. I love you for this comment alone.

vedaxcool:
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I think ingrate describes you and those fanatical elements who convert children incapable of understanding the complexities of life from the religion of their parents all because they suffered want. your pastors have a reputation of raping little boys and lusting over married women ...... do you want us to go down that way?

only shameless fool would under the pretense of humanitarian relief convert kids such conversion never last because it is based on deceit. Like I said govt does not need help from such useless groups whose agenda is dubious, criminal and immoral.

You should rather thank these people for rescuing those kids. If it was the Muslims who took hold of those kids, the girls will be raped silly. The boys will be trianed to be children soldiers.
Why is your religion displacing them in the first place?
Very soon, more camps like this one will come up, we will pick all of those kids and convert all of them. Shey they stoned you people when u went there? They will stone you more.

ehissi:


This is a very simple issue. A Christian group/Mission undertook a mission to host an IDP in Edo State. It is only natural for them to decline to allow any faith based group other than their's to seek to associate with the IDP's directly.

This is where MCAN missed it. If sincerely, their well being is all you care for, then send the relief materials to the management of the camp in the presence of the press/media along with your Spiritual admonitions. Chikenan.

All the IDP's need to know is that some muslim brothers/sisters sent help their way, that's enough encouragement. Continue to build a cordial relationship with the camp leaders, and prayer-fully wait for the situation to improve.

Remember that these people were practically displaced by conflict raised by self-professed radicalised islamists; that's enough to tells you that a certain air of mistrust should be expected both from the management and the IDP's. Any aggressive approach is automatically suspect from both management and IDP's.

Asking them to even build a mosque within the camp is a just dumb thing to say; its like asking the Sultan of Sokoto or Sanusi Lamido to build a church for Christians within his palace/community for Christians within the community as proof of his belief in freedom of religion in Nigeria. That's just crazy. You already know what the answer will be. In any case, is the presence of a mosque a requirement for praying or practising one's faith in the Holy Quran??

For those who seek to pray, water and. a clean clearing is enough, highest a mat or two. It takes just one person to start, before you know it, more will follow suit.

As par forcing people to convert to Christianity, I doubt that greatly. It is a thing totally unheard of across the entire Christian world, if it is true that this really happened in Nigeria, of all places Edo State - then Nigerians have set another world record besides corruption for themselves.

I believe that the core purpose of the visit to the camp by MCAN was to evangelise, and it is natural for the management of the camp to resist. As far as I am concerned, the management asking MCAN to handover the relief materials to them was not only proper but was a sound/diplomatic manner of meeting MCAN "half-way" on their request.

If ever a muslim camp was setup, this is exactly what any other faith based group outside islam would have been asked to do. Infact, there are even muslim groups in this country that will swiftly decline to accept any offer of help from any faith based group outside islam except on the strictest terms of confidentiality;so I don't see why MCAN is crying wolf where there is none.

If sincerely, MCAN truly cares and was concerned about the plight of the people there, such a request should have been welcomed with open arms.

Besides considering the huge amount of investment required to raise a camp of that magnitude, I'm totally disappointed with the Spirit with which this thread was raised - knowing fully well that MCAN nor the Sultan himself can't afford to do the same by themselves - one who truly cares would at least be appreciative of the fact that someone else who has a different Spiritual view of life were first in line to choose to organise such an undertaking. Feeding those people alone requires millions of Naira per day and consistent sponsorship. This doesn't include cost of clothing and providing basic education.

At least, MCAN should have considered that even if the Pastor-in-Charge may be the willing to let MCAN have unrestricted access, the same may not be said for sure about it's sponsorship base. I concur therefore that sentiments and not wisdom formed the basis of MCAN dealings with the Camp management.

There is only one sure way to resolve this, which is to create a rehabilitation programme to re-integrate the camp dwellers into society, if not back into their original settlements/homes at least in places close to their homes, or with similar values of their own homes. Such a programme must give the occupants of the camp a choice to subscribe or decline. Thank God, you have the ears of the sultan of sokoto, such a plan will definitely attract his support as well as that of peace-loving muslim faithfuls across the country and the world.

That way, you can have access to them and encourage them Spiritually in any way you please.

One thing I know for sure, is that no where in the world are men compelled to be Christians - except somethings have changed which I don't know, in such a scenario I stand to be corrected/educated.

As par deceiving or forcing or manipulating them to be Christians; that's speculative, except you are insisting that a gun was held to their heads or their lives where threatened for them to convert to Christianity - which is a method notably used by radicalised islamist groups like Boko Haram or child abductors of recent in Nigeria - then the onus falls on you to either prove your allegation or tender a public apology to the Camp management except you have no desire to interact with them again.

As valuable as formal education is, without the necessary wisdom, tact and guidance that Spiritually inspired books can provide (in your case the Quran), you will only end up justifying whatever actions the Camp management choose to take against you.

As par brainwashing or manipulating people to stone soldiers, that sounds awkward and spurious.

In any case, given the fact that these people were forced out of their homes by violent conflict; why would the Sultan even go through the ministry of defence!!??

Does it make sense for them to be forcefully relocated without any form of information or enlightenment - probably to places where Boko Haram has suffered technical defeat - without allowing them to choose between leaving or staying or even seeking alternative arrangements/camps other than the ones they are in!!??

No effort to build a relationship/trust with the camp management not to talk of the IDP's, just wake up one morning and ask soldiers to move them; given the amount of trauma these people would have gone through, and knowing the kind country whey we dey, if na you, you go follow the soldiers, abi na U go first carry stone??

Where was the Sultan of Sokoto and MCAN all this while when families were sacked from their homes and children were separated from their parents in conflict created by radicalised islamists. If they had risen up to challenge of caring for their own, would there have been a need to create a camp faraway from their homes in Edo state??

I even remember when protests where raised by Edo state residents when these camps were to be setup, for fear of making Edo State a potential target for Boko Haram, the Sultan didn't step in. Now a christian camp mission comes in and they are crying wolf.

My Good friend, go and strategize.

Mixing sentiments, an aggressive approach, with your religion will only paint you folks in the image and likeness of the same kind of people the Occupants of the camp are running away from.......Terrorists!! Who are also self-professed practising muslims!!

Be wise...................

Wonderful submission from you boss, We have been visiting several places such as IDP Camps , Hospitals, Prisons and so on , we have never been denied access as corps members , Why should we be denied access to enter EDO camp, how are you sure the pastor will deliver the relief material in our names, see my brother , all this would not have happened if the pastor had let us in , Maybe he is scared we might draw the mind of he elders back to God. its not proper that we were prevented, this created rooms for speculations and tension.

below are some of the things we intend to do there, what is unacceptable about it.

okekeanayo:
imagine! all these terrorists organizations will never cease to supply with nonsense. How do you compare oruru's case with children whom were not kidnapped? if you are looking for kidnapped teenage Girls, go to northern Emirs palaces not in Christian Organizations because we don't force people to repent. It's you who will give accounts of gospel you have heard and didn't repent.

this is no time for arguement but time for the righful to be done , MCAN has carried out so many humanitarian activities in Government, Muslim and Non Muslims organisation and environments without denial. Why Edo Camp.

about religion, Are you aware jesus is a jew , an isreali. In isreal today , 75% are judist, 17% Musims , less than 2% christains. Please travel outside Nigeria to see that Islam and Christainity is not the only religion on earth, Maybe you will start learning to argue less about which is right or wrong and pray to ALmighty ALLAH(GOD) to guide you

1 Corinthians 2:13 - 14: - "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy ghost teacheth; comparing Spiritual things with Spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are Spiritually discerned."

Jesus Christ made an assertion that can easily be tested, irrespective of whatever flavour of religion you choose.

John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth and the life, no man cometh unto the father, but by me."

The Day you vow to have an initimate relationship with the personality of God almighty and you make conscious steps and efforts daily to achieve this goal; its only a matter of time before the "Jesus" question arises!!

How else can you explain muslims who will gladly maim, cannibalise and kill people who speak vile or trivial things about the quran or muhammed: playing with biblical scriptural references as though na Nairabet ticket number dem dey read.

They practically arm-twist Seun and all his moderators hands on Nairaland to grafiti profile walls of folks who must comment in the religion - or is it islamic - section with quranic citations else they are denied access from commenting.

I was shocked to see a video of the Oba of Lagos, less than 10 minutes after raising curses that if effected, will automatically grant lagoon club membership to all Igbo's who vote ambode in Lagos; the baba dey quote the book of isaiah, I laugh with understanding.

If you are completely contented as a man with living a pious life, that suggest a good moral fibre; religion is there to keep you warm.

But if a Spiritual relationship with your creator is what you seek and you are committed to such an undertaking. Very soon, you will start looking for literature or teachings to explain the "Jesus" question.

Who is he as opposed to who people think he is?? Why all this hype over a young fellow who is just as ordinary a man as the next man trying to hustle money to make you buy one GNLD or Forever living natural aloe vera in a public bus.

Then, you will choose your words more carefully when you choose to enter into a fora, debate or discussion concerning Him.

SmartChoices:
op you sounding insane...so you want to build a mosque inside a christian camp lols...seems you're bereft of any iota of intelligence...I think your school certificate should be withdrawn for this folly... Go and build your Islamic camp...ok, then forward a formal request through the relevant authorities....


Meanwhile Apena Ibrahim Adeboye is a full blooded traditional worshiper. Note Skako.

I think you need to go over the post again to know what brought about the suggestion you highlighted. The question is simple , As corps members , Why were we denied acess to entire populace of the IDP camp whom we wrote to have access to.

furthermore, why the insult ? , kindly do away with teh insult and lets comment like an educated person you claimed to be.

I humbly Remain Apena Ibrahim Adeboye,

I already read to my fill , i saw objective comments and comments that are not worth reading. All the same , May Allah (God) rewards us all Accordingly.

The big question is ; WHY DID THE PASTOR DENIED MCAN ACCESS TO THE IDPS? if this was not the case , no problem would have emanated. MCAN would have visited the IDPs, Preached words of encouragement , donated relief materials, carryout medical service among others, just as it was done in other camps in Nigeria and left. case closed.

MCAN has carried out humanitarian services across the country where Muslims and Non muslims were beneficiaries , why should a pastor decline the offer of such organisation after affirming that MCAN is made up of serving corps members with good intention. Attached to this comment are some of the humanitarian services of MCAN in Muslim and Non Muslim Dominated state in Nigeria, therefore, why the attack.

The missionaries have done well for taking the IDPs just as other Muslim Championed organizations have done but why preventing Muslims or Muslim groups from having access to the IDPs in Edo. what the management of the edo Missionary IDP camp are perceived to have done is to take IDPs with Muslims inclusive, break them away from Muslims outside the camp and work on their psych, intelligence and faith to deceive and turn them against Islam, that is it, else , they wont prevent Muslims from having access to them. Muslims were not in support of Yunusa Yellow, ISIS, Boko Haram and so on , therefore why should anyone stand against the goodwill of MCAN and support the action of the Christians who managed Edo camp, well this could be done by sentimental people. We have to be very objective.

Another response is to the fact that Muslims are not taking responsibilities of IDPs, Say who ? Do you know how much Muslim Governors, Islamic Organizations and The Supreme council for Islamic Affairs have channelled to these IDPs ? DO you know that taking care of these IDPs alone is not enough but also Organizing programs to Prevent any form of brainwash of the poor Muslims or Christians to indulge in terrorism is another objective which Islamic organization and individuals are equally investing in. In as much as you are BLACK reading this post from any part of the world, DANGOTE IS A MUSLIM WHO IS OFFICIALLY RICHER THAN YOU and Dangote's Foundation alone can take care of these people. The Maniac called Boko Haram has caused enough Havoc to this country , of which its only ALLAH( ALMIGHTY GOD)who can judge them accordingly, Thus, the notion is not to start segregating Muslim or Christian IDPs. These people suffered from BH and the paramount thing is to think about their Spiritual, Mental and Physical wellbeing, therefore, those who can prove that they Genuinely want to support should not be prevented from having Access to the IDPs.

MCAN still stand on the ground that; if The pastor Managing Edo camp will not grant MCAN or any muslim organisation access to the IDPs, Then, they should hand over the Muslims to Supreme council for Islamic Affairs who will also put them probably in one of the estates owned by Muslims somewhere within the country or Muslims prepared centers for IDPs so that they wont be far away from GOD since there are comments inferring that the missionaries cannot build a MOSQUE in the camp.
Finally, a lot of Nigerians need to travel outside Africa to realize that Islam and Christianity are not the only religion on earth, a Substantial amount of the Citizens of England and US do not even practice Christianity yet they brought Christianity to Africa. We also have some Muslims who do opposite of what Allah(God of Abraham, Moses , David, Jesus, Muhammed (PBUT)) commanded Humans to do but Christians hastily use them to paint Islam. In the book of genesis 19......God destroyed the people of Sodom and Gomora for reasons which HOMSEXUALISM is Part , yet churches and pastors in USA and Europe Marries Gay and Lesbians , even under our nose in Africa, Bishop desmond Tutu whose daughter is a reverend got married to a lesbian at the presence of Desmond tutu Himself. is this what Christianity preached ? Did Muslims attribute homosexuals to Christianity nor did they insult Christanity for the murder of Non Christians during the Christainty crusade . Maybe you need to meet a jew before you know that Majority of jews whom jesus christ is one do not believe in jesus as a Messia. Israel has about 75% Judaist, 17% Muslims and 2% Christians, Majority of Jews believe both Christians and Muslims are wrong, yet Allah described the amount of favour he did to the Jews (saving them from Pharow, red sea, Manner e.t.c) in the Quran. Upon all these, christains will always oppose Muslims or the other way round over clear issues which we can be just with.

For those who are yet to understand the stand of MCAN, its very simple. WHY SHOULD WE BE DENIED ACESS TO THE IDPS DESPITE BEING SERVING CORPS MEMBERS WHO HAVE DONE SAME IN OTHER CAMPS. Ese Oruru is the best and most recent case to use as a synonym to the Muslim Children at hand, that was why we did.

ALLAH guide us all.

References
http://www.vibenigeria.com/archbishop-desmond-tutus-daughter-weds-her-lesbian-partner-as-he-attends/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Israel

IbXavier:

Wonderful submission from you boss, We have been visiting several places such as IDP Camps , Hospitals, Prisons and so on , we have never been denied access as corps members , Why should we be denied access to enter EDO camp, how are you sure the pastor will deliver the relief material in our names, see my brother , all this would not have happened if the pastor had let us in , Maybe he is scared we might draw the mind of he elders back to God. its not proper that we were prevented, this created rooms for speculations and tension.

below are some of the things we intend to do there, what is unacceptable about it.

You have not said anything new other than what the OP has said. You guys are corpers obviously on CDS which is captured within the one year NYSC period. After you are done, you will return back to your normal lives - away from NYSC camp, PPA and CDS and clearance -while the IDP's will remain in the camp.

The camp in Edo is practically a christian mission run by Christians just as MCAN goes on islamic mission run by muslim Corpers. You cannot expect them and their sponsors to give you a platform to evangelize islam, the same way MCAN excos and its sponsorship base will forbid you to create a platform for a Pastor to evangelise Christianity - una be corpers, corpers be graduates now, abi una no go school??

If you went to the Sultan of Sokoto for financial support for an outreach programme and the programme lineup involves a Pastor evangelizing Christianity; what are the chances of getting one Naira from the Sultan!!??

Be realistic and stop trying to whip up sentiments; it won't work, it will only make you look like tools in the hands of "higher powers" with ulterior motives.

Of which your alleged visit to the camp is coming shortly after your grand Patron - in the person of the sultan of sokoto - tried to use his influence in the ministry of defence to use soldiers to forcefully move them from the camp (I wasn't there, I am only quoting the OP); why won't they resist!!??

What is to stop the Pastor from believing you are just a follow up effort made by the sultan of sokoto!!??

I have witnessed Christian Mission where we had to make hard choices between helping people and evangelising to people of different faiths.

I called it a hard choice because some folks insist that they want nothing to do with my faith (some borne out of their personal conviction, others for fear of being stigmatized by their religious communities and families), while we insist we are only concerned for their immediate well being and nothing more. Okay, if it true you care for my wellbeing, then give me what you want to give me and go.

For sure, you can't be talking about taking pictures because confidentiality is now an issue, meanwhile pictures of our activities are some of the things we use to advocate for sponsorship. So what do we do??

Simple, take pictures of the relief materials we want to share, and take pictures of the areas we want to share them and present the relief materials we have and go our way! Be consistent, show care and concern. Put them in our prayers, build trust/relationship, with time they get to appreciate our presence and then ask questions while we proffer answers.

Put them in God's hands. God is still in charge.That's how were taught to do it.

On the other hand, what I am sensing you guys did in Edo - from the comments made by the OP and you - was to approach the Pastor and made your intentions known and when he didn't seem willing to grant you access, you tried to put him under pressure with whatever influence you could muster to force him to accede to your request and reaffirmed that you were recognised by government as muslim corpers.

The man took stock of the situation, sized the matter and said "Okay, you came to show love, care and concern by bringing relief materials?? Fine, bring the materials to us, we will give it to them on you behalf".

Instead, you refused and left with the relief materials. If your statement is anything to go by, you refused to give the Pastor the relief materials because you can't trust him to tell the people it came from you.

If the aformentioned is true, then MCAN made the blunder of the century!! Why? Which is better?? For the relief materials to be shared on your behalf even though the IDP's don't know where it came from or to risk the Pastor telling the IDP's that MCAN refused to give any relief until they were evangelised first

Una no stop there, you choose to come to Nairaland to create thread and you are asking people to share; I won't be surprised if you guys haven't already gone to facebook and twitter to do same. One year will pass, your tenure expire and you will handover to fresh corpers. Imagine all the potential damage you would have done, all in a bid to try to force a man to give you chance to preach; as opposed to building a relationship of trust over consistent interaction which when matched with prayers can yield better opportunities, God willing.

Imagine if the Pastor got wind of this thread on Nairaland, do you know how much irrepairable damage and setbacks you would have created for next set of MCAN excos going back there again.

Better be wise Oooh!!

the councel of nicaen interesting,the claim of our they introduced the trinity into Christianity blah,blah,any ways am a protestant,don't care or believe in any "holy" holidays, they are all pagan, let's talk about the trinity.
One of the most commonly held anti christain myths is that Christianity as we know it today was not invented until the fourth century, after the council of Nicaea in 325 A.D. The book, and recently released movie, The Da Vinci Code, makes this very claim (among other very bizarre assertions). Many say that the early Christian church thought of Jesus Christ as just a good moral teacher, and did not worship Him until the 4th century when the Trinity and
deity of Christ was "invented." However, our examination of this question, using biblical sources, the writings of the early church fathers, and secular sources, will clearly establish that Jesus was worshipped as God
no later than the early second century (113 A.D.).
Citing all the biblical sources that claim Jesus is God is beyond the scope of this paper. However, other pages on this site examine these issues in detail. They can be found below:


Even though many acknowledge that the Bible says clearly that Jesus is God, those people have claimed that the Bible was edited long after originally penned. Such claims fly in the face of volumes of documents written by the early church fathers, who cited verses liberally from New Testament gospels and letters in their own writings. Since many of these writings can be definitively dated to the first and second centuries, 1 such claims of rewriting are obviously false. Some of this evidence will be cited below.
The earliest Aramaic-speaking Christians refer to Jesus as "Lord" in the earliest extra-canonical Christian book, the Didache , which scholars agree was written no later than the late 100s. The word "Lord" (Greek Kyrios ) was used by the Greeks to designate divinity. Justin Martyr, a second-century church father, baptized new believers in the name of the triune God - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, acknowledging the equality of the three distinct persons of the Trinity.
Pliny the Younger as governor of Pontus/Bithynia from 111-113 A.D. wrote (in his Letters 10.96-97 ) to Emperor Trajan regarding the early Christian church, their worship of Christ, and how he persecuted , tortured, and murdered them:
"They asserted, however, that the sum and substance of their fault or error had been that they were accustomed to meet on a fixed day before dawn and sing responsively a hymn to Christ as to a god, and to bind themselves by oath, not to some crime, but not to commit fraud, theft, or adultery, not falsify their trust, nor to refuse to return a trust when called upon to do so."
This example shows quite clearly that even the Romans knew that Jesus was being worshipped and wanted to "check and cure" "the contagion of this superstition" that had "spread not only to the cities but also to the villages and farms." 2
Although not as early as the Pliny letter, another secular source indicating that Jesus was worshipped as God before the fourth century was recently discovered in Megiddo, Israel. The discovery is a third century Christian church with a tile floor inlaid with inscriptions. One of the inscriptions was a tribute to Jesus, "Akeptous, the God-loving, offered this table for (the) god Jesus Christ, as a remembrance." Obviously, the discovery of a third century inscription calling Jesus God discredits the idea that Jesus was not worshipped until the fourth century (see Early (3rd Century A.D.) Gaddafithe2nd

ehissi:


You have not said anything new other than what the OP has said. You guys are corpers obviously on CDS which is captured within the one year NYSC period. After you are done, you will return back to your normal lives - away from NYSC camp, PPA and CDS and clearance -while the IDP's will remain in the camp.

The camp in Edo is practically a christian mission run by Christians just as MCAN goes on islamic mission run by muslim Corpers. You cannot expect them and their sponsors to give you a platform to evangelize islam, the same way MCAN excos and its sponsorship base will forbid you to create a platform for a Pastor to evangelise Christianity - una be corpers, corpers be graduates now, abi una no go school??

If you went to the Sultan of Sokoto for financial support for an outreach programme and the programme lineup involves a Pastor evangelizing Christianity; what are the chances of getting one Naira from the Sultan!!??

Be realistic and stop trying to whip up sentiments; it won't work, it will only make you look like tools in the hands of "higher powers" with ulterior motives.

Of which your alleged visit to the camp is coming shortly after your grand Patron - in the person of the sultan of sokoto - tried to use his influence in the ministry of defence to use soldiers to forcefully move them from the camp (I wasn't there, I am only quoting the OP); why won't they resist!!??

What is to stop the Pastor from believing you are just a follow up effort made by the sultan of sokoto!!??

I have witnessed Christian Mission where we had to make hard choices between helping people and evangelising to people of different faiths.

I called it a hard choice because some folks insist that they want nothing to do with my faith (some borne out of their personal conviction, others for fear of being stigmatized by their religious communities and families), while we insist we are only concerned for their immediate well being and nothing more. Okay, if it true you care for my wellbeing, then give me what you want to give me and go.

For sure, you can't be talking about taking pictures because confidentiality is now an issue, meanwhile pictures of our activities are some of the things we use to advocate for sponsorship. So what do we do??

Simple, take pictures of the relief materials we want to share, and take pictures of the areas we want to share them and present the relief materials we have and go our way! Be consistent, show care and concern. Put them in our prayers, build trust/relationship, with time they get to appreciate our presence and then ask questions while we proffer answers.

Put them in God's hands. God is still in charge.That's how were taught to do it.

On the other hand, what I am sensing you guys did in Edo - from the comments made by the OP and you - was to approach the Pastor and made your intentions known and when he didn't seem willing to grant you access, you tried to put him under pressure with whatever influence you could muster to force him to accede to your request and reaffirmed that you were recognised by government as muslim corpers.

The man took stock of the situation, sized the matter and said "Okay, you came to show love, care and concern by bringing relief materials?? Fine, bring the materials to us, we will give it to them on you behalf".

Instead, you refused and left with the relief materials. If your statement is anything to go by, you refused to give the Pastor the relief materials because you can't trust him to tell the people it came from you.

If the aformentioned is true, then MCAN made the blunder of the century!! Why? Which is better?? For the relief materials to be shared on your behalf even though the IDP's don't know where it came from or to risk the Pastor telling the IDP's that MCAN refused to give any relief until they were evangelised first

Una no stop there, you choose to come to Nairaland to create thread and you are asking people to share; I won't be surprised if you guys haven't already gone to facebook and twitter to do same. One year will pass, your tenure expire and you will handover to fresh corpers. Imagine all the potential damage you would have done, all in a bid to try to force a man to give you chance to preach; as opposed to building a relationship of trust over consistent interaction which when matched with prayers can yield better opportunities, God willing.

Imagine if the Pastor got wind of this thread on Nairaland, do you know how much irrepairable damage and setbacks you would have created for next set of MCAN excos going back there again.

Better be wise Oooh!!

good of you but the case is gradually going out of hand for the pastor because he must be regretting why he did not allow Access to good meaning people. Surely, he is making money out of the children becuuase international aid are supporting him, therefore , he will do everything posible to prevent them from being taken away. IDP camp is not a permanent Camp, its a temporal place to neutralize IDPs against thetrauma they must have passed through. If the pastors has nothing to hide or any evil plan , he should not have prevented Muslims from having access to the IDPs especially when they have been fully checked and verified. Giving relief material is not all but the human compassion , affection and familiarization also counts, at least, muslims and non muslims within the camp should equally know that muslims outside cares about them.

if the pastor will not allow muslims have access to the IDP, then Free the muslims to Supreme council who has a better place for them too

IbXavier:



good of you but the case is gradually going out of hand for the pastor because he must be regretting why he did not allow Access to good meaning people. Surely, he is making money out of the children becuuase international aid are supporting him, therefore , he will do everything posible to prevent them from being taken away. IDP camp is not a permanent Camp, its a temporal place to neutralize IDPs against thetrauma they must have passed through. If the pastors has nothing to hide or any evil plan , he should not have prevented Muslims from having access to the IDPs especially when they have been fully checked and verified. Giving relief material is not all but the human compassion , affection and familiarization also counts, at least, muslims and non muslims within the camp should equally know that muslims outside cares about them.

if the pastor will not allow muslims have access to the IDP, then Free the muslims to Supreme council who has a better place for them too

Na now day break for muslims? Surely Islam is loosing it in all ramifications. I will implore you to tell your imams to preach love every Friday rather than fundamental radicalism. Not a day goes by without an attack by one form terrorist attack by Islamist group. Change your thinking and your perspective. The world no longer wants to accommodate Muslims. Take a look at Germany, Paris and some other European countries. They accepted Muslims into their country believing we are all humans and we deserve the basic need of life. What in return are they paying them with? Terrorist attack rape and other social vices. How many Muslim countries accepted refugees? Where was Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt. My friend go back and tell your imams to preach sanctity for human life. Remove that veil of religious sentiments. The northern part of Nigeria will never develop until education is advocated for the youths. If you are aggrieved Pls take a bus to adamawa, tone and Bornu. Alot of children are begging in the street. They need your help

This was your Application to the IDP Centre, the Letter is also attached.....

Muslim Corpers’ Association of Nigeria (MCAN),
 National Headquarters,
 Mabushi,
 Abuja.
10th February, 2016.
Pastor Solomon A. Folorunsho,
International Christian Centre for Missions,
45, Umamwen Street,
Ogida Quarters,
P.O.Box 11700,
Benin City.
Dear Sir,
APPLICATION FOR A THREE DAY VISITATION TO THE IDP CAMP
With due honour and respect to your highly dignified personality, the above named association hereby wishes to request for permission for a three day visit to the Internally Displaced Persons (IDP) Camp by the end of this month.
The association hopes to undertake the following activities in the course of their stay:
• Medical check-up of Internally Displaced Persons;
• Da’wah (sermon) session; and
• Distribution of relief items.
The association hopes to delegate at most seventy (70) of its members for the program. The actual date for the visit would be communicated to you in due time.
Thanks for your understanding and anticipated cooperation.
God bless you.
Yours faithfully,
Secretary General,
MCAN, Edo State Chapter.

The Following was their simple reply....

Thanks a million!!!
Due to the security situation, visitors are now restricted to just making donations to the IDPs.
Please bear with us.

Now having brought out the truth, where did all these fabrications come out from
What is posted here was the only encounter between this group and the Centre, nothing more nothing less.
There was never a time soldiers came to evacuate the children. Everything done there is open and transparent in collaboration with the SSS, Civil Defence, Army and the Police. They are all on ground providing security.
The following groups of moslems have at different times visited the camp and made donations without any problems....
Supreme councillor Islamic affairs ego state chapter.
Federation of Islamic women..... donating among other things brand new sewing Machine.
Islamic doctors association came about 3 times rendering medical services and donating medicines.
Many others too numerous to mention and we have never had problems with them.
Please ensure peace in this country and stop fabricating stories to set innocent Nigerians against themselves for no reason.
For the record, this NGO have been existing since 1992 called Home for the Needy and has catered and trained many homeless, orphans etc who today some are Lawyers etc. Registered with both the state and federal government, The people here are law abiding and peaceful. Here everyone is attending school from pioneer classes, nursery, primary, secondary and now 60 among them did Napteb exam, Jamb, currently preparing for waec and Neco, one is in college of Education. This are the areas they need everyones help, Education, technical and skill acquisition, sports, clothing, food etc to build their future. Lets join hands together to help this victims both here and in the numerous camps in Abuja, Jos, Taraba etc and those scattered over every city and countries around us. God bless you and hope this is enough to set the record straight and move forward for the good of Nigeria.

IbXavier or is it Apena Ibrahim Adeboye or is it Skako.........Come and prove now that you are not a liar!! This is why people never take muslim folks like you serious. I am beginning to think that the Ibrahim Apena Adeboye is just a frustrated ficticious character created by suicide bombers looking for recruits where they are none.

If what been explained is true, then I expect the Nigerian Supreme Islamic council to raise a Fatwa against your actions/Lies/propaganda here as a lesson for people just like you.

Just came here to rubbish MCAN and the sultan of Sokoto! And for how much!!?? God will judge you people in His own time...............

Thanks Gracetruth for clearing the air!!

Lies exposed, and its painful to you?