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From Catholicism To Atheism by ValentineMary(m): 7:42pm On Apr 03, 2016

I can't fully recall when my doubt started, guess it was so many years ago. Though while a christian I used to argue with atheist on facebook and I used to pity them because I always thought they were all going to hell. Until I continued to know them more then I discovered that they were not really bad. So why did Christ say they would end in hell? This was the question that open the gates to freethought. As the years went by, I lost faith in religion though still a mariologist (those who study and have great devotion to the virgin Mary) and high ranked societal leader in d catholic church. I lost faith in religion due to the stories I read from the old testament about Moses killing, Abraham's will to kill, etc. I was like "Okay Jesus is God but maybe the jews got it wrong about Yahweh after all". I tried to separate the old testament from the new and tried to be a follower of Christ and not a christian in d traditional way.

This got me studying and asking qus but it seems nobody had d ans. The best thing they could say was "Just believe" which to me was not good enough. One major event I rememberd that made me more septic about faith and religion was one day I went to charismatic prayer meeting (which my leader cousin is a strict member and when u are in his place, you MUST go) and the instructor read the part when God to kill all the people and livestock. Then the instructor asked a strange qus "Is God bad" he said and d class chorused no. I was preplexed and like "Hell yeah he is wicked. A God that would order the killing of women and children is not worthy of my respect" Though I did not say it out, but that night I posted an article on it on facebook and I was amazed at d number of Nigerians who are skeptic about the bible and religion.

My journey with truth went on though silently, then I began to edit my Credo(I believe in God), ave Maria (hail Mary)and pater nostra (our father) because I did not believe in some of what they said then. Then I stoped confession and communion because I felt it was not necessary to ask a man in white robe for forgivness when he was not the one I offended. Believe me when I say that before I turned atheist, I was a traditional catholic to d core.

So life went on and I only believed in only Jesus, Mary and d saints. I felt that probably Yahweh was not God afterall. Until the story of Jesus failed in logic. If u follow my article the day before yesterday titled "The foolishness of Christ death" u would see how Jesus story failed in logic. And if it breaks down in logic then it is not worth believing. It was after so many years of study and question asking that I finally said "Damn it, I don't believe in any of these EVEN IF I WANTED TO. And I called myself an atheist".

My skepticism on voodoo started right from SS3. Then as well as now, I am fully convinced that voodoo (juju) don't work and they are only mind games. Even though my mother and aunts held vigil almost every night to "fight" these evil spirits, deep down I was convinced that it was a waste of time.

I am now convinced now more than ever that religion is bad and a liability to humanity

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Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by cruzita(f): 7:44pm On Apr 03, 2016
the bible can never be explained logically .u are entitled to your own life and opinion dont just conclude
Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by Cutehector(m): 7:47pm On Apr 03, 2016
One thing is certain in life.


You and I shall die one day. And whatever beliefs u have shall die with u.
Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by ourkobo: 8:05pm On Apr 03, 2016
I will be back
Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by emeraldknytt(m): 8:05pm On Apr 03, 2016
Its just not too good, taking a bold big step just as a result of a surbordinate clause in the Holybook. Frankly, I do not go to church (this development surfaced 17months ago) but I firmly hold on to my faith. True! Somethings are worth considering but most require incredible intuition and sound psyche to decipher. You stand nothing to lose or gain, atleast not now, but the aftermath could prove disastrous. He is Alive and protects His own.
Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by ikubch(m): 8:08pm On Apr 03, 2016
ValentineMary:

I can't fully recall when my doubt started, guess it was so many years ago. Though while a christian I used to argue with atheist on facebook and I used to pity them because I always thought they were all going to hell. Until I continued to know them more then I discovered that they were not really bad. So why did Christ say they would end in hell? This was the question that open the gates to freethought. As the years went by, I lost faith in religion though still a mariologist (those who study and have great devotion to the virgin Mary) and high ranked societal leader in d catholic church. I lost faith in religion due to the stories I read from the old testament about Moses killing, Abraham's will to kill, etc. I was like "Okay Jesus is God but maybe the jews got it wrong about Yahweh after all". I tried to separate the old testament from the new and tried to be a follower of Christ and not a christian in d traditional way.

This got me studying and asking qus but it seems nobody had d ans. The best thing they could say was "Just believe" which to me was not good enough. One major event I rememberd that made me more septic about faith and religion was one day I went to charismatic prayer meeting (which my leader cousin is a strict member and when u are in his place, you MUST go) and the instructor read the part when God to kill all the people and livestock. Then the instructor asked a strange qus "Is God bad" he said and d class chorused no. I was preplexed and like "Hell yeah he is wicked. A God that would order the killing of women and children is not worthy of my respect" Though I did not say it out, but that night I posted an article on it on facebook and I was amazed at d number of Nigerians who are skeptic about the bible and religion.

My journey with truth went on though silently, then I began to edit my Credo(I believe in God), ave Maria (hail Mary)and pater nostra (our father) because I did not believe in some of what they said then. Then I stoped confession and communion because I felt it was not necessary to ask a man in white robe for forgivness when he was not the one I offended. Believe me when I say that before I turned atheist, I was a traditional catholic to d core.

So life went on and I only believed in only Jesus, Mary and d saints. I felt that probably Yahweh was not God afterall. Until the story of Jesus failed in logic. If u follow my article the day before yesterday titled "The foolishness of Christ death" u would see how Jesus story failed in logic. And if it breaks down in logic then it is not worth believing. It was after so many years of study and question asking that I finally said "Damn it, I don't believe in any of these EVEN IF I WANTED TO. And I called myself an atheist".

My skepticism on voodoo started right from SS3. Then as well as now, I am fully convinced that voodoo (juju) don't work and they are only mind games. Even though my mother and aunts held vigil almost every night to "fight" these evil spirits, deep down I was convinced that it was a waste of time.

I am now convinced now more than ever that religion is bad and a liability to humanity
Welcome to Reason. Try and read Thomas Paine's "Age of Reason" download at Gutenberg.org as ebook
Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by thesicilian: 8:09pm On Apr 03, 2016
I can understand your journey for the search of truth, as it were. One question I'll like to ask is, Have you found that truth in atheism?
Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by whitecloth: 8:11pm On Apr 03, 2016
@ op..
i think you got it wrong from the beginning, if the foundation is destroy what can the righteous do, starting your Christian journey on the devotion of Mary? I don't know what to say o.
Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by whitecloth: 8:13pm On Apr 03, 2016
ValentineMary:

I felt that probably Yahweh was not God afterall. Until the story of Jesus failed in logic. If u follow my article the day before yesterday titled "The foolishness of Christ death" u would see how Jesus story failed in logic. And if it breaks down in logic then it is not worth believing. It was after so many years of study and question asking that I finally said "Damn it, I don't believe in any of these EVEN IF I WANTED TO. And I called myself an atheist".

I just don't know why you sound funny to me,
you want to use logic to explain the Bible?
Have you even had a close or personal relationship with this God you're talking about?
all I see you talking about is catholic ritual.
Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by whitecloth: 8:13pm On Apr 03, 2016
Cutehector:
One thing is certain in life. (correct)


You and I shall die one day. And whatever beliefs u have shall die with u ( incorrect).
in the afterlife beliefs don't die with people, they are only proving to be wrong or right.
Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by Adasun(m): 8:15pm On Apr 03, 2016
op da question is do u find peace in anthiesm?


Do u always believe they is no God or u are always looking for things to prove they is none.?
Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by Cutehector(m): 8:15pm On Apr 03, 2016
whitecloth:

in the afterlife beliefs don't die with people, they are only proving to be wrong or right.
I still don't agree with u bro
Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by whitecloth: 8:30pm On Apr 03, 2016
Cutehector:
I still don't agree with u bro
No p bro, this is my view of the matter,
lets assume am a Christian( believe in God, Jesus, Holy Spirit) if I die today when I wake up in the afterlife and there is no God there, I saw the great Buddha, I'll say to myself that I was wrong, and if the opposite happens, I'll rejoice that my belief saved me, there is no religion that support non consciousness of belief in the afterlife, if there is you can tell me o. we learn everyday.
Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by Nobody: 8:33pm On Apr 03, 2016
I believe every young catholic/christian reaches such crossroads in his/her faith....
I have been there, and I sincerely doubted everything.....
But to be honest all it takes to validate God and his existence and kindness and every other thing you've heard about God is not what the priest tells you on the pulpit....

Its when God shows hself to you.....
For instance non catholics will talk from morning to night about mary being dead and the rosary being idol worship e.t.c...

If I haven't experienced the power of the rosary or devotions to mary, I would have started second-guessing myself and see sense in what they say..

But I've experienced the miracles from praying the rosary from my ss1... (pentecost day to be exact)...
And since then there have been so many others....

so how do convince me to steer clear of the rosary when I've seen the power of its prayer first hand...not once, not twice....not even 5times

I won't preach to you or tell to to read a bible verse....all I would say is keep an open mind op....and give God a chance....be atheist or be hindu, he most definitely still has a plan for you...

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Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by Speeechless3(f): 8:40pm On Apr 03, 2016
Say what you know madam.
The bible is logical and reasonable. Our debased minds and blind eyes that need cleansing and opening respectively keep telling us the opposite. Little wonder false men of God can deceive us easily. The bible is "pro cmon sense
"
cruzita:
the bible can never be explained logically .u are entitled to your own life and opinion dont just conclude

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Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by Speeechless3(f): 8:43pm On Apr 03, 2016
^^^oseod, am a catholic too. If you dont mind what power of the rosary have you seen or experienced?
Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by cruzita(f): 8:44pm On Apr 03, 2016
Speeechless3:
Say what you know madam.
The bible is logical and reasonable. Our debased minds and blind eyes that need cleansing and opening respectively keep telling us the opposite. Little wonder false men of God can deceive us easily. "The bible is pro cmon sense
"
Madam,keep explaining bible logically and u will get stuck in the middle .
Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by Cutehector(m): 8:45pm On Apr 03, 2016
whitecloth:

No p bro, this is my view of the matter,
lets assume am a Christian( believe in God, Jesus, Holy Spirit) if I die today when I wake up in the afterlife and there is no God there, I saw the great Buddha, I'll say to myself that I was wrong, and if the opposite happens, I'll rejoice that my belief saved me, there is no religion that support non consciousness of belief in the afterlife, if there is you can tell me o. we learn everyday.
religion doesn't count on d day of judgement.
Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by Speeechless3(f): 8:46pm On Apr 03, 2016
Lie
cruzita:
Madam,keep explaining bible logically and u will get stuck in the middle .
Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by achinaboy(m): 8:49pm On Apr 03, 2016
ValentineMary:

I can't fully recall when my doubt started, guess it was so many years ago. Though while a christian I used to argue with atheist on facebook and I used to pity them because I always thought they were all going to hell. Until I continued to know them more then I discovered that they were not really bad. So why did Christ say they would end in hell? This was the question that open the gates to freethought. As the years went by, I lost faith in religion though still a mariologist (those who study and have great devotion to the virgin Mary) and high ranked societal leader in d catholic church. I lost faith in religion due to the stories I read from the old testament about Moses killing, Abraham's will to kill, etc. I was like "Okay Jesus is God but maybe the jews got it wrong about Yahweh after all". I tried to separate the old testament from the new and tried to be a follower of Christ and not a christian in d traditional way.

This got me studying and asking qus but it seems nobody had d ans. The best thing they could say was "Just believe" which to me was not good enough. One major event I rememberd that made me more septic about faith and religion was one day I went to charismatic prayer meeting (which my leader cousin is a strict member and when u are in his place, you MUST go) and the instructor read the part when God to kill all the people and livestock. Then the instructor asked a strange qus "Is God bad" he said and d class chorused no. I was preplexed and like "Hell yeah he is wicked. A God that would order the killing of women and children is not worthy of my respect" Though I did not say it out, but that night I posted an article on it on facebook and I was amazed at d number of Nigerians who are skeptic about the bible and religion.

My journey with truth went on though silently, then I began to edit my Credo(I believe in God), ave Maria (hail Mary)and pater nostra (our father) because I did not believe in some of what they said then. Then I stoped confession and communion because I felt it was not necessary to ask a man in white robe for forgivness when he was not the one I offended. Believe me when I say that before I turned atheist, I was a traditional catholic to d core.

So life went on and I only believed in only Jesus, Mary and d saints. I felt that probably Yahweh was not God afterall. Until the story of Jesus failed in logic. If u follow my article the day before yesterday titled "The foolishness of Christ death" u would see how Jesus story failed in logic. And if it breaks down in logic then it is not worth believing. It was after so many years of study and question asking that I finally said "Damn it, I don't believe in any of these EVEN IF I WANTED TO. And I called myself an atheist".

My skepticism on voodoo started right from SS3. Then as well as now, I am fully convinced that voodoo (juju) don't work and they are only mind games. Even though my mother and aunts held vigil almost every night to "fight" these evil spirits, deep down I was convinced that it was a waste of time.

I am now convinced now more than ever that religion is bad and a liability to humanity
i think am almost like you
Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by Nobody: 8:59pm On Apr 03, 2016
OK.
Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by whitecloth: 9:06pm On Apr 03, 2016
Cutehector:
religion doesn't count on d day of judgement.
eeeyah, is like you're getting me wrong o, and I don't want to leave answers that will leave others confuse, actually there is no religion over there, only your belief.
Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by cruzita(f): 9:07pm On Apr 03, 2016
Speeechless3:
Lie
OK then gudnite
Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by Nobody: 9:23pm On Apr 03, 2016
cruzita:
Madam,keep explaining bible logically and u will get stuck in the middle .

I agree with this claim. There are some portions of the Bible that cannot be explained logically. Even apostle Paul often makes mention of mysteries(revealed) in his epistles. But it doesn't mean the Bible is flawed; it just means there are some things that are beyond ordinary human comprehension.
Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by Nobody: 9:26pm On Apr 03, 2016
Speeechless3:
^^^oseod, am a catholic too. If you dont mind what power of the rosary have you seen or experienced?


I'll need to open another thread for this....but do believe me if you ever pray your rosary, then pray it with belief....meditate on each mystery and beleief that she is listening cos she is and jesus is too...p

Pray it like they are seated right beside you and you're talking to them directly......

One thing I've learnt about miracles is the minute God has done it for you....it tends to feel normal, like there was a chance it would've happened whether you pray or not..

The first time I prayed the rosary on my own (not block rosary or group rosary) I was desperate and I was about to be punished for a crime I committed, I was in ss1 on pentecost sunday.....just earlier two guys had been punished for the same thing and were still on punishment
...
So it was obvious that I was going to join them..

The housemaster told me to kneel down in front of his apartment...and I started panicking I don't know when I started reciting glorious mysteries...
I had finished the rosary but kept panicking in my heart

When he came back, he just walked pass into his apartment......came out 5mins later annd said "what are you still doing here?"..

I just stood and ran back to my hostel before he change his mind...

I told ppl of this and they were like "guy you were just lucky joor, the guy prolly didn't have your time"

Of course this hardly looked like a miracle, but it was the very first I experienced and it ignited my interest in the rosary like never before...we're talking of an ss1 boy who hardly saw sense in any spiritual activity...

Of course There have been many others but the most recent was last year, 500lvl 2nd semester....

1st semester results were out and I got an f in a general engineering course
Thats an automatic extra year...or semester....

I had met the course lecturer and my course adviser begging to see if anything could be done.....they all told me I should write letter to the senate amd to the it dept as it has already been posted online. .....that it was most likely already late......

I had never been so depressed.....I just took sleeping pills and slept of that day, went for evening mass later in the evening, after evening mass I decided to do a sort of novena....saying the rosary everyday for a couple of days.....about a week later ....I heard that results haven't been uploaded, I checked online and saw that all the results they uploaded for me had been removed........

It was general........(I dunno know about other faculties tho, but for engr)
And this was the first time it had ever happened since I entered unilag
The results were uploaded a week later and i was given a "c" (apparently there was a mistake in my result)...


The point is not about the rosary but about your faith in general.....
If you don't have faith in God it doesn't matter the church you go or the sort of prayer you pray.....it might not work....

Perosnally I believe catholics have a lot of prayers ...

From novenas
To litanies
Rosaries
To stations of the cross
To adoration of the blessed sacrament
To the divine mercy prayer
To the usual spontaneous prayers the protestants use
To the most important : The holy mass....

But it depends on the person praying....I personally love the rosary because its simple and till today I'm still learning how to pray the rosary...

I'm not necessarily the holiest, nor I'm I a priest or have I taken on any role in the church (a lector once tho)...I'm just trying, but even at that, God still answers

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Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by Nobody: 9:31pm On Apr 03, 2016
Some months ago, I was at the steep alley of agnosticism. I started having my doubts about God, and questions kept pouring in my heart.

I realised I don't have to answer these questions or look for answers, because deep down, I know there is a God; there just have to be a God out there.

Op, spiritual stuff cannot be rationalised with human wisdom. Like someone said earlier, keep an open mind.
Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by ValentineMary(m): 9:49pm On Apr 03, 2016
whitecloth:


I just don't know why you sound funny to me,
you want to use logic to explain the Bible?
Have you even had a close or personal relationship with this God you're talking about?
all I see you talking about is catholic ritual.
If u can't use logic to understand the bible, how can u be sure what u believe is true?

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Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by ValentineMary(m): 9:54pm On Apr 03, 2016
thesicilian:

I can understand your journey for the search of truth, as it were. One question I'll like to ask is, Have you found that truth in atheism?
Actually I think I have. It has made me see d error in faith based religion. It has taught me how to be good not because of heaven but rather because of love for humanity. Atheism has a lot to teach d world if people would just calm down and listen.

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Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by whitecloth: 7:19am On Apr 04, 2016
Cutehector:
religion doesn't count on d day of judgement.
I didn't refer yo religion that way sir, belief is what am on not religion, religion exist in this world not in the afterlife, belief exist in both, we've heard series of near death experience or resurrection experience none has said they asked him his religion.
Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by whitecloth: 7:23am On Apr 04, 2016
ValentineMary:

If u can't use logic to understand the bible, how can u be sure what u believe is true?
You're funny o, a book was written and the instruction says you can only understand it by faith, and here you are you want to use logic, if you want to know what am saying, turn you schl text book upside down and read, if your friends comes in and ask you what are you doing, tell them you're trying to use logic to understand it from another perspective. did u see?
Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by thesicilian: 8:04am On Apr 04, 2016
ValentineMary:

Actually I think I have. It has made me see d error in faith based religion. It has taught me how to be good not because of heaven but rather because of love for humanity. Atheism has a lot to teach d world if people would just calm down and listen.

I'm glad for you. What we all strive for whether Muslims, Christians or Atheists is internal peace & happiness.
Re: From Catholicism To Atheism by ValentineMary(m): 1:39pm On Apr 04, 2016
whitecloth:

You're funny o, a book was written and the instruction says you can only understand it by faith, and here you are you want to use logic, if you want to know what am saying, turn you schl text book upside down and read, if your friends comes in and ask you what are you doing, tell them you're trying to use logic to understand it from another perspective. did u see?
Faith is simply the act of believing something because there is no other reason to believe it and u can believe anything based on faith alone. BTW please tell me where it was written in the bible that u can't understand it by logic

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